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| Air Raid 2006-09-13, 12:13 am |
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IGN Wii: Let's talk about graphics. Right or wrong, Madden for Wii is
undoubtedly going to be compared to the GameCube build. Meanwhile,
we've been playing a lot of the 360 version. In terms of visuals, where
does the Wii incarnation fit in?
Jason Armenise: We get the graphics question all the time. Every time
we talk about the game we get the graphics question. A lot of people -
even passionate Nintendo fans - are kind of dismissing the graphics,
saying, "We know it's going to be third, yadda, yadda, yadda." We
didn't take that attitude. Right from the beginning, we said, "You know
what? We need to make this game look better than Xbox at the very
minimum. And if possible, we need to challenge the Xbox 360 version."
That was our goal from the first day.
So we've done a whole host of things that put the game far in advance
of the GameCube and we think better than the Xbox. And in some cases,
we're challenging the Xbox 360 on graphics. First of all, the game is
HD compliant. You can play 480p and 16:9 widescreen. That means
everybody who has a HDTV can play the game with their component outputs
and play in 480p and 16:9 widescreen while running at 60 frames per
second, which is awesome. Additionally we've upped the texture quality
on players. Textures are a higher quality. In many cases, they are
higher than the Xbox version. We've added a whole host of features like
depth of field. We've added a feature we call cinematic lens effect,
which is like when you look through an actual television camera and
straight lines get a little bit bowed in real life. We've increased the
shadows. The shadows are better. We have something called contact
shadows so that if two players get close to each other you'll see the
shadow of one bleed onto the shadow of another. We've increased the
grass. Our grass looks like it has more depth to it. It looks more lush
than GameCube. It's definitely a much better looking game than on
GameCube and we think that it really is challenging Xbox 360 in some
places.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732391p6.html
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| Jonah Falcon 2006-09-13, 12:13 am |
| Easy to have a better framerate with cheaper graphics. lol
"Air Raid" <AirRaidJet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
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>
>
>
>
> IGN Wii: Let's talk about graphics. Right or wrong, Madden for Wii is
> undoubtedly going to be compared to the GameCube build. Meanwhile,
> we've been playing a lot of the 360 version. In terms of visuals, where
> does the Wii incarnation fit in?
>
> Jason Armenise: We get the graphics question all the time. Every time
> we talk about the game we get the graphics question. A lot of people -
> even passionate Nintendo fans - are kind of dismissing the graphics,
> saying, "We know it's going to be third, yadda, yadda, yadda." We
> didn't take that attitude. Right from the beginning, we said, "You know
> what? We need to make this game look better than Xbox at the very
> minimum. And if possible, we need to challenge the Xbox 360 version."
> That was our goal from the first day.
>
> So we've done a whole host of things that put the game far in advance
> of the GameCube and we think better than the Xbox. And in some cases,
> we're challenging the Xbox 360 on graphics. First of all, the game is
> HD compliant. You can play 480p and 16:9 widescreen. That means
> everybody who has a HDTV can play the game with their component outputs
> and play in 480p and 16:9 widescreen while running at 60 frames per
> second, which is awesome. Additionally we've upped the texture quality
> on players. Textures are a higher quality. In many cases, they are
> higher than the Xbox version. We've added a whole host of features like
> depth of field. We've added a feature we call cinematic lens effect,
> which is like when you look through an actual television camera and
> straight lines get a little bit bowed in real life. We've increased the
> shadows. The shadows are better. We have something called contact
> shadows so that if two players get close to each other you'll see the
> shadow of one bleed onto the shadow of another. We've increased the
> grass. Our grass looks like it has more depth to it. It looks more lush
> than GameCube. It's definitely a much better looking game than on
> GameCube and we think that it really is challenging Xbox 360 in some
> places.
>
> http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732391p6.html
>
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| Zackman 2006-09-13, 12:13 am |
| Air Raid <AirRaidJet@gmail.com> spake thusly:
<snip>
Jesus, I would HOPE a so-called next-gen console would be able to muster
better graphics than a last-gen machine.
I guess it's a personal preference whether you'd rather have 480p at 60 fps
or 1080i at 30 fps.
-Z-
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| Guest 2006-09-13, 12:13 am |
| So basically it will have slightly better graphics than the X-Box. You guys
really have something special to look forward to. Maybe kids under ten may
get fooled.
"Air Raid" <AirRaidJet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
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>
>
>
>
> IGN Wii: Let's talk about graphics. Right or wrong, Madden for Wii is
> undoubtedly going to be compared to the GameCube build. Meanwhile,
> we've been playing a lot of the 360 version. In terms of visuals, where
> does the Wii incarnation fit in?
>
> Jason Armenise: We get the graphics question all the time. Every time
> we talk about the game we get the graphics question. A lot of people -
> even passionate Nintendo fans - are kind of dismissing the graphics,
> saying, "We know it's going to be third, yadda, yadda, yadda." We
> didn't take that attitude. Right from the beginning, we said, "You know
> what? We need to make this game look better than Xbox at the very
> minimum. And if possible, we need to challenge the Xbox 360 version."
> That was our goal from the first day.
>
> So we've done a whole host of things that put the game far in advance
> of the GameCube and we think better than the Xbox. And in some cases,
> we're challenging the Xbox 360 on graphics. First of all, the game is
> HD compliant. You can play 480p and 16:9 widescreen. That means
> everybody who has a HDTV can play the game with their component outputs
> and play in 480p and 16:9 widescreen while running at 60 frames per
> second, which is awesome. Additionally we've upped the texture quality
> on players. Textures are a higher quality. In many cases, they are
> higher than the Xbox version. We've added a whole host of features like
> depth of field. We've added a feature we call cinematic lens effect,
> which is like when you look through an actual television camera and
> straight lines get a little bit bowed in real life. We've increased the
> shadows. The shadows are better. We have something called contact
> shadows so that if two players get close to each other you'll see the
> shadow of one bleed onto the shadow of another. We've increased the
> grass. Our grass looks like it has more depth to it. It looks more lush
> than GameCube. It's definitely a much better looking game than on
> GameCube and we think that it really is challenging Xbox 360 in some
> places.
>
> http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732391p6.html
>
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| Jonah Falcon 2006-09-13, 12:13 am |
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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
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> Air Raid <AirRaidJet@gmail.com> spake thusly:
>
> <snip>
>
> Jesus, I would HOPE a so-called next-gen console would be able to muster
> better graphics than a last-gen machine.
>
> I guess it's a personal preference whether you'd rather have 480p at 60
> fps or 1080i at 30 fps.
I love it when PR people try to talk up systems. You end up with such
phrases as "real-time weapon switching" and "hitting the underside for
maximum damage", because it's completely new to them.
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| Mantorok 2006-09-13, 5:53 am |
| > So basically it will have slightly better graphics than the X-Box.
quote:
> You guys really have something special to look forward to. Maybe kids
> under ten may get fooled.
So basically you ignored the "challenging xbox360 in some places" quote then?
Kev
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| gerryR 2006-09-13, 5:53 am |
| "challenging" means fuk all, I could "challange" mike tyson to a fight and
if it ever happened I get dead
"Mantorok" <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in message
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quote:
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> So basically you ignored the "challenging xbox360 in some places" quote
> then?
>
> Kev
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| Mantorok 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| > Mantorok wrote:
quote:
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> It runs at a far lower resolution. Can't see how it's challenging it
> on anything.
>
They are referring to the graphical effects they can produce with the Wii,
it's running at a smooth frame-rate with some nice touches that will only
look good in motion.
Kev
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| frederick 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
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"Mantorok" <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in message
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quote:
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> They are referring to the graphical effects they can produce with the Wii,
> it's running at a smooth frame-rate with some nice touches that will only
> look good in motion.
dont confuse the poor boy, to some people resolution is the most important
graphical attribute LOL, you know just like the xbox 360 re renders
everything for 480P... not
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| Paul C. 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
news:cbb45a829ee08c8a52ed75100b4@news.rmplc.co.uk:
quote:
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> So basically you ignored the "challenging xbox360 in some places"
> quote then?
>
> Kev
>
>
Considering that the Wii doesn't even support HDtv it would be hard pressed
to compare to visuals on the 360. Maybe they compared it with both systems
on a normal T.V. (yuck, who the hell does that nowadays, HDTV's are cheap &
plentiful & there is little excuse not to have one)
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| Mantorok 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| > Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
quote:
> news:cbb45a829ee08c8a52ed75100b4@news.rmplc.co.uk:
> Considering that the Wii doesn't even support HDtv it would be hard
> pressed to compare to visuals on the 360. Maybe they compared it with
> both systems on a normal T.V. (yuck, who the hell does that nowadays,
> HDTV's are cheap & plentiful & there is little excuse not to have one)
>
Dear dear me, now there's someone with no grip on reality...
Kev
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| El Guapo 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| "Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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quote:
> Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
> news:cbb45a829ee08c8a52ed75100b4@news.rmplc.co.uk:
>
>
> Considering that the Wii doesn't even support HDtv it would be hard
> pressed
> to compare to visuals on the 360. Maybe they compared it with both systems
> on a normal T.V. (yuck, who the hell does that nowadays, HDTV's are cheap
> &
> plentiful & there is little excuse not to have one)
Oh, yeah. Best Buy hands them out as free samples, and my bank will give me
a free HDTV just for opening a new account. You have only yourself to blame
if you're too lazy to pick one up and cart it home.
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"Mantorok" <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in message
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quote:
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> So basically you ignored the "challenging xbox360 in some places" quote
> then?
>
> Kev
>
>
Yep. All that means is that they are trying to touch on that system.
Clearly they cannot do that. On top of that, I believe he was only talking
in textures and that was sometimes. I already saw the pics and it can't
compete.
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| AirRaid 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
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Unmutual wrote:
quote:
> Mantorok wrote:
>
> It runs at a far lower resolution. Can't see how it's challenging it on
> anything.
you come across as being really ignorant. RESOLUTION does not equal
graphics.
a game running at 480i could have totally superior graphics to a game
running at
720p or 1080i.
i.e. DOOM3 (PC) 640 x 480 has better graphics than Quake 3 (PC) at
1600x1200.
that does not mean Wii Madden has better graphics than Xbox 360.
however looking at the screenshots, Wii version looks better than
Gamecube and Xbox versions. since the Xbox 360 version runs at 30fps
and the Wii version runs at 60fps, the Wii version is gonna look more
natural in motion even though the Xbox 360 version his more detail and
more resolution.
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| Julien Bernier 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| Totally true, dude! thumbs up!
AirRaid wrote:
quote:
> Unmutual wrote:
>
> you come across as being really ignorant. RESOLUTION does not equal
> graphics.
>
> a game running at 480i could have totally superior graphics to a game
> running at
> 720p or 1080i.
>
> i.e. DOOM3 (PC) 640 x 480 has better graphics than Quake 3 (PC) at
> 1600x1200.
>
>
> that does not mean Wii Madden has better graphics than Xbox 360.
> however looking at the screenshots, Wii version looks better than
> Gamecube and Xbox versions. since the Xbox 360 version runs at 30fps
> and the Wii version runs at 60fps, the Wii version is gonna look more
> natural in motion even though the Xbox 360 version his more detail and
> more resolution.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
news:HOUNg.1637$IA.1492@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
quote:
> Oh, yeah. Best Buy hands them out as free samples, and my bank will
> give me a free HDTV just for opening a new account. You have only
> yourself to blame if you're too lazy to pick one up and cart it home.
Considering many of them cost $500 or less for a 20in in Canada they are
even less expensive in the U.S. it's not unreasonable for a person to pick
up a console & an HDTV. You may need something called a "job" (Google it)
but many people can afford to have them.
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-09-13, 7:46 pm |
| In microsoft.public.xbox Guest <llcoolj@comcast.com> wrote:
quote:
> So basically it will have slightly better graphics than the X-Box. You guys
> really have something special to look forward to. Maybe kids under ten may
> get fooled.
Forget graphics! They just need to include a hollow foam football so you can
shove the Wii controller inside, and *really* play football in your living
room! Wanna pass? Throw the football! Punt! Field goal! Tackle your
little brother! It'll be just like playing outdoors...only not.
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> So basically it will have slightly better graphics than the X-Box. You
> guys really have something special to look forward to. Maybe kids under
> ten may get fooled.
I don't care if the graphics are only a bit better than the XBox. I
personally like the XBox graphics quite a bit, and I could deal with
something better than XBox but shy of XBox 360 IF the games are fun, the
controller is giving me a different playing experience, and the price is
closer to the XBox than the 360.
I wasn't thinking about a Wii, but as I look at some of the things that can
be done with the controller (like "swing a bat" rather than push buttons in
baseball or "swing" a "club" rather than push thumbsticks to hit a golf
ball) I'm more and more interested. A lot of people have been downplaying
the controller as a gimmick, but I am seeing it more and more as potentially
revolutionary in terms of the interaction with a game.
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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quote:
> Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
> news:cbb45a829ee08c8a52ed75100b4@news.rmplc.co.uk:
>
>
> Considering that the Wii doesn't even support HDtv it would be hard
> pressed
> to compare to visuals on the 360. Maybe they compared it with both systems
> on a normal T.V. (yuck, who the hell does that nowadays, HDTV's are cheap
> &
> plentiful & there is little excuse not to have one)
My birthday is around the corner - how about sending me one? I know it's a
"cheap" gift, but since we just met it's probably appropriate.
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> In microsoft.public.xbox Guest <llcoolj@comcast.com> wrote:
>
> Forget graphics! They just need to include a hollow foam football so you
> can
> shove the Wii controller inside, and *really* play football in your living
> room! Wanna pass? Throw the football! Punt! Field goal! Tackle your
> little brother! It'll be just like playing outdoors...only not.
LOL...I can see the first time I take out some crystal or china or some
other expensive item my wife has scattered around. That'll go over real
well!
"But, baby...I had to throw long in that direction cause my wide receiver
was wide open!"
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| Guest 2006-09-13, 11:51 pm |
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"AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Unmutual wrote:
>
> you come across as being really ignorant. RESOLUTION does not equal
> graphics.
>
> a game running at 480i could have totally superior graphics to a game
> running at
> 720p or 1080i.
>
> i.e. DOOM3 (PC) 640 x 480 has better graphics than Quake 3 (PC) at
> 1600x1200.
>
>
> that does not mean Wii Madden has better graphics than Xbox 360.
> however looking at the screenshots, Wii version looks better than
> Gamecube and Xbox versions. since the Xbox 360 version runs at 30fps
> and the Wii version runs at 60fps, the Wii version is gonna look more
> natural in motion even though the Xbox 360 version his more detail and
> more resolution.
>
I know, you are trying your best to make this look good... You and everyone
else knows that the Wii can't touch the 360. When EA stops being lazy and
really exploits the power of the 360, the Wii won't even be able to come
close in any way.
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| Guest 2006-09-13, 11:51 pm |
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"WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> "Guest" <llcoolj@comcast.com> wrote in message
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> I don't care if the graphics are only a bit better than the XBox. I
> personally like the XBox graphics quite a bit, and I could deal with
> something better than XBox but shy of XBox 360 IF the games are fun, the
> controller is giving me a different playing experience, and the price is
> closer to the XBox than the 360.
My man, the graphics are a 'little bit better' than the X-Box. Given that,
it CANNOT be 'just shy' of the 360. If it were just shy of the 360, we
would not be talking.
quote:
>
> I wasn't thinking about a Wii, but as I look at some of the things that
> can be done with the controller (like "swing a bat" rather than push
> buttons in baseball or "swing" a "club" rather than push thumbsticks to
> hit a golf ball) I'm more and more interested. A lot of people have been
> downplaying the controller as a gimmick, but I am seeing it more and more
> as potentially revolutionary in terms of the interaction with a game.
>
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> "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> My man, the graphics are a 'little bit better' than the X-Box. Given
> that, it CANNOT be 'just shy' of the 360. If it were just shy of the 360,
> we would not be talking.
>
Learn to read - and don't quote me unless you do it right!
I never said JUST shy - I said "but shy of XBox 360". Changes the entire
meaning of what I intended. Shame on you!
:-)
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> "Guest" <llcoolj@comcast.com> wrote in message
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> I don't care if the graphics are only a bit better than the XBox. I
> personally like the XBox graphics quite a bit, and I could deal with
> something better than XBox but shy of XBox 360 IF the games are fun, the
> controller is giving me a different playing experience, and the price is
> closer to the XBox than the 360.
>
> I wasn't thinking about a Wii, but as I look at some of the things that
> can be done with the controller (like "swing a bat" rather than push
> buttons in baseball or "swing" a "club" rather than push thumbsticks to
> hit a golf ball) I'm more and more interested. A lot of people have been
> downplaying the controller as a gimmick, but I am seeing it more and more
> as potentially revolutionary in terms of the interaction with a game.
It is a gimmick, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a BAD gimmick
IMO. But, focusing on the controller is missing the point about console
sales and the video game market in general. Only Crazy Ken thinks people buy
a console for the console itself and not for the games. If Nintendo doesn't
get out of the early 90s and realize people want more than party games,
kiddie games and RPG's that only really sell in Japan, they're doomed to
third place. A company cannot compensate for a lack of titles people want to
play by simply giving them another way to play a game. Unless Nintendo gets
a series like Halo, GTA, MGS, etc. they're just not going to be able to
develop the loyalty they need to keep people buying the multiplatform stuff
for the Wii and not the more powerful 360 or PS3. Red Steel could have been
that game, unfortunately the buzz from that one has been killed by what
people have seen of it since the initial news about the game. Hopefully
it'll turn out to be a good game though and recover its initial promise. It
is that kind of an open world fighting/shooter game that might make people
pick up the Wii.
I really don't think they can get any better than third if they depend
on the same types of games they had for the GC as well as multiplatform
titles with a new way to play them. Some gamers *might* pick up the Wii for
the novelty factor of playing Madden or NHL or TW or NBA Live with the
controller, but the novelty factor will wear off and people will be asking
"Ok so what else does this system have?" Given the fact that the Wii can't
stand up graphically to the 360 and (if it's ever released) the PS3, without
a Wii specific game to drive sales eventually people are going to ask "Why
should I pick up that game when I can play it for my 360 with better
graphics?" I don't think ultimately, after people get used to the new
controller, they're going to stick with Wii for multiplatform games when
their friends are playing a game with great graphics on the 360 or PS3 and
the Wii is stuck with XBox graphics.
Having said all that, the wildcard for the Wii is the old games they're
going to have available for download. I think this could be HUGE for
Nintendo. I'm planning to pick up a Wii just to be able to download those
games and play all of my old favorites again like Mario and Duck Hunt. Many
older gamers remember those titles and IMO will leap at the chance to play
them again on a console.
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| GameAddict 2006-09-13, 11:51 pm |
| http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/wii/?..._01.html&l=enGB
Introduction
Hello, everyone. My name is Satoru Iwata, President and CEO of
Nintendo. Starting from today, I'd like to deliver a unique (perhaps
unprecedented) series of interviews explaining the vision behind Wii,
our revolutionary new console. Over the course of the next few weeks we
will hear from those who were actually involved in the development of
this console. Given that I will interview my own employees, this is a
somewhat peculiar experiment. Nevertheless, by talking face-to-face
with the developers, I wish to record for posterity the course that led
to the creation of Wii, and the background behind its development.
There are many things that only they will be able to recount. I hope
you enjoy it.
Part 1 - USING STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY IN UNPRECEDENTED WAYS
Iwata With the final model of Wii in front of me, I cannot help but
think, "This could not have been accomplished if we had tried to make
a new game console in the conventional manner." Why is Wii the way it
is? What kind of idea was the basis for the development of Wii? I hope
I can deliver the answers to these questions with this series of
interviews. First of all, I would like to ask some questions to Mr
Takeda, who has overseen and coordinated the entire project. How did
you feel when you had the initial idea to develop this kind of console?
And what are your impressions as you look upon Wii in its completed
state?
Takeda We started developing Wii right after Nintendo launched the
GameCube. You know, as soon as we complete one system, we start
thinking about the next one. Needless to say, we don't design new
components or technologies from scratch. Rather, we have to base our
designs on existing technologies. In the world of technology, there are
so-called Roadmaps (overviews of proposed technologies/products) that
are used by each industry in order to make general forecasts about
where semiconductor technology is heading, as well as the evolution of
disc and wireless technologies. Engineers and developers normally refer
to these Roadmaps while developing hardware that they plan to release
in the future. Looking again at the completed Wii, I feel that it has
turned out to be something completely different from what was predicted
in the mainstream technology Roadmaps.
Iwata What gives you that impression?
Takeda This may sound paradoxical, but if we had followed the existing
Roadmaps we would have aimed to make it "faster and flashier." In
other words, we would have tried to improve the speed at which it
displays stunning graphics. But we could not help but ask ourselves,
"How big an impact would that direction really have on our
customers?" During development, we came to realise the sheer
inefficiency of this path when we compared the hardships and costs of
development against any new experiences that might be had by our
customers.
Iwata When did you start feeling that way?
Takeda It must have been about a year after we started developing Wii.
After speaking with Nintendo's development partners, I became keenly
aware of the fact that there is no end to the desire of those who just
want more. Give them one, they ask for two. Give them two, and next
time they will ask for five instead of three. Then they want ten,
thirty, a hundred; their desire growing exponentially. Giving in to
this will lead us nowhere in the end. I started to feel unsure about
following that path about a year into development.
Iwata OK, now I would like to ask some more detailed questions to Mr
Shiota, who has been in charge of the technological aspects of Wii.
First of all, briefly tell me what you have been working on.
Shiota Well, I was in charge of Wii semiconductor development. Of
course, Nintendo doesn't develop semiconductors by itself, so I
worked on developing them with our business partners.
Iwata The development of semiconductors can be one of the most
important factors in determining the performance of new systems. What
were you originally expecting during the initial development phase, and
what has turned out to be different in the end?
Shiota At the risk of oversimplifying, I would say that the
technologies that form the basis of all semiconductors are not that
different from each other. On the other hand, how these fundamental
technologies are applied depends on the device itself. Wii takes full
advantage of state-of-the-art semiconductor technologies, but its
application of them differs greatly from that of other devices. So,
while the fact that we are using state-of-the-art semiconductor
technology does not differ from my original expectations, the way in
which we are using them has turned out to be very different.
Iwata Could you be more specific?
Shiota Mr Takeda also mentioned this, but normally when you decide to
use new semiconductor technology, you do so solely for the sake of more
extravagance and higher performance. In the case of the CPU, you try to
progressively improve its processing power, which in turn raises its
power consumption and increases its size. Sophisticated semiconductor
technology is required to realise this goal. While you could use such
cutting-edge semiconductor technology in order to facilitate this kind
of extravagance, you can choose to apply this technology in other ways,
such as making chips smaller. We have utilised the technology in this
way so that we could minimise the power consumption of Wii. If the chip
becomes smaller, we can make the size of the console smaller. With a
smaller chip and minimised power consumption, Wii can be left on 24
hours a day. This is what I meant when I said that the way Wii makes
use of state-of-the-art technologies is completely different from the
way in which they are used in other devices.
Iwata In general, no engineer hates higher performance. As an
engineer, didn't you experience any inner conflict when it was
decided that we would not necessarily take Wii in the direction of
sheer horsepower alone?
Shiota Yes, there was some conflict. To be honest, I even felt quite
anxious about it. After all, it takes a lot of courage to divert from
the Roadmaps. I was especially concerned when it was still not very
clear to me what could be done with such a machine. The hurdle of
reducing power consumption could be overcome. We were certain that we
could achieve this goal in the early stages of development. But the
conflict and concern did not go away until it was clear how this would
change the gaming experience. Once the concept of Wii as "a console
where something new happens every day" became clear, we were certain
that we had made the right choice. This concept is made possible by the
fact that Wii can stay on for 24 hours a day.
Iwata Looking back at all the development history of Wii, were there
any particularly memorable turning points?
Shiota Let's see. When we were struggling to reduce the power
consumption, there was a point in time when we simulated how power
consumption would change in existing devices if we applied cutting-edge
semiconductor technology to them. In the case of the GameCube, we
discovered that the power consumption could be reduced to between
one-third and one-quarter of the consumption of the GameCube's
semiconductors. I was really impressed with these results. Of course, I
was surprised by the data itself, but it was also the moment at which I
was struck by the originality of Nintendo. Normally, when making new
devices, companies compete with each other on the basis of "How much
faster is the CPU, how much more memory is there, and how many more
polygons can be displayed?" But Nintendo posed the question "How
much can we decrease power consumption and maintain performance?"
Iwata Why do you think we were able to engage in that kind of
argument?
Shiota Above all, I think it must have been because Nintendo is always
trying to do something new and different. This message has been spread
not only within Nintendo, but to other companies as well. As a result,
our development partners have naturally tended to present us with new
technologies and ideas. It was this background of going against the
norm that gave birth to Wii.
Takeda Of course, the issue of performance was not secondary. Anyone
can realise "low performance with low power." Others tend to aim
for "high performance with high power." With Wii however, Nintendo
alone has pursued "high performance with low power consumption."
So, while Wii embraces cutting-edge technology and high performance,
the direction it is aiming in is completely different from that of
previous systems. When we look at the automobile industry, not every
car is following the same evolutionary course. While some are trying to
make faster cars, others are gathering public attention around the
world with their hybrid engines. If automobiles can be used as a
metaphor, our industry has always been trying to compete over
horsepower, even though not all cars are made to compete in F1 races.
Shiota Just as hybrid cars have created a new emphasis on
"environmental performance," I believe that Wii has also discovered
new values. Having said that, however, Nintendo has never shied away
from technological competition. On the contrary, we have integrated a
number of highly technological elements into Wii.
Takeda Using state-of-the-art technology in unprecedented ways is far
more complex, difficult, and requires more technological know-how than
simply using the technology to improve performance. The Wii system is
far more complex than that of the Nintendo 64 and GameCube.
Furthermore, since Wii is compatible with GameCube software, we have
not only tried to create something new, but we have also retained some
of the old functionality. Honestly, this was not an easy task, but I
think we can proudly present to the world a new console that will have
so much appeal for so many.
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| Mark E. Smith 2006-09-13, 11:51 pm |
| I couldn't agree more. I believe the virtual console for the Wii will/may be
an ace up their sleeve. But I do feel that the price of these old retro
games are about double what they should be. They are just above being an
impulse item IMO.
Hopefully, given time, they will come to their senses and bring down the
prices to a more reasonable level as SONY just has here in Japan with the
UMD's. Also, I certainly hope there is away for people to 'test/try' a game
before downloading it. See and try before you buy!
"CJ" <cjmartin04@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Having said all that, the wildcard for the Wii is the old games they're
> going to have available for download. I think this could be HUGE for
> Nintendo. I'm planning to pick up a Wii just to be able to download those
> games and play all of my old favorites again like Mario and Duck Hunt.
> Many older gamers remember those titles and IMO will leap at the chance to
> play them again on a console.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-13, 11:51 pm |
| "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
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> My birthday is around the corner - how about sending me one? I know
> it's a "cheap" gift, but since we just met it's probably appropriate.
Sheesh don't be bitter because your poor. There's really no point even
owning a 360 if you don't have HDTV.
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>I couldn't agree more. I believe the virtual console for the Wii will/may
>be an ace up their sleeve. But I do feel that the price of these old retro
>games are about double what they should be. They are just above being an
>impulse item IMO.
You've seen a price point for those games? Where?? The only info I can
find on Gamespot doesn't include a price point at all for the older games. I
thought that was one of the things they've kept secret and would release in
their presser tomorrow. It's also interesting that a few of the Gamespot
editors are stating that they believe Nintendo will announce the price point
for the Wii as $249, not the $199 everybody expects. This would be in line
with what a contest run by 7-11 accidentally revealed as the ARV of a Wii
about a month ago. I'm also betting on an October or early November launch
date so they're out before PS3's truncated Japan/US launch.
quote:
>
> Hopefully, given time, they will come to their senses and bring down the
> prices to a more reasonable level as SONY just has here in Japan with the
> UMD's. Also, I certainly hope there is away for people to 'test/try' a
> game before downloading it. See and try before you buy!
It all depends on their online system. If they have an online system in
the mold of XBox Live, downloadable demos will be possible and easy for
gamers to get. Absent that, I don't know how many Wii developers will bother
releasing demos because there's no central place for people to find them.
UMD you really can't compare to anything in terms of price. UMD's prices
are being lowered in Japan because the format is dying...quickly. Sony
wanted to stave off its death a while longer and lowered prices to
ridiculous levels. It's almost dead in the US and studios are running, not
walking, away from it. Even Sony's own studio, along with a heavy hitter in
Warner Bros., cancelled some of their planned UMD releases. If Nintendo's
ever lowering prices on the downloadable older games, it means they've
stopped selling.
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>I couldn't agree more. I believe the virtual console for the Wii will/may
>be an ace up their sleeve. But I do feel that the price of these old retro
>games are about double what they should be. They are just above being an
>impulse item IMO.
>
> Hopefully, given time, they will come to their senses and bring down the
> prices to a more reasonable level as SONY just has here in Japan with the
> UMD's. Also, I certainly hope there is away for people to 'test/try' a
> game before downloading it. See and try before you buy!
>
I doubt if that will work either since many people already have them all on
their PC. Emulators are the only reason they are putting them on the
systems, besides Sony's backward compatibility. Who wants to pay for
something in the future when you can get it right now for free?
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> "Guest" <llcoolj@comcast.com> wrote in message
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>
> Learn to read - and don't quote me unless you do it right!
>
> I never said JUST shy - I said "but shy of XBox 360". Changes the entire
> meaning of what I intended. Shame on you!
>
Oh it does?
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| Mantorok 2006-09-14, 6:18 am |
| > "AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
> news:1158178974.702142.130360@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I know, you are trying your best to make this look good... You and
> everyone else knows that the Wii can't touch the 360. When EA stops
> being lazy and really exploits the power of the 360, the Wii won't
> even be able to come close in any way.
Oh well - it's a shame it's going to be too late by then, as the Wii would've
crushed the 360 in sales by that time leaving 3rd parties to think twice
about their loyalties....
Kev
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| Mantorok 2006-09-14, 6:18 am |
| > "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
quote:
> news:HOUNg.1637$IA.1492@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
> Considering many of them cost $500 or less for a 20in in Canada they
> are even less expensive in the U.S. it's not unreasonable for a person
> to pick up a console & an HDTV. You may need something called a "job"
> (Google it) but many people can afford to have them.
>
I can afford to have one, but why would I buy a 20" for $500 when I can retain
my 36" SDTV, which I would "much" prefer, it's not about money pal, some
people have sense too you know....
Kev
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
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quote:
> I can afford to have one, but why would I buy a 20" for $500 when I
> can retain my 36" SDTV, which I would "much" prefer, it's not about
> money pal, some people have sense too you know....
>
> Kev
A 20in HDTV is simply superior to a 36in standard TV, size is not the most
important factor. If you used one you would know. Besides who has one TV
these days ? lol! And $500 is in Canada, they are even cheaper in the US.
And for anyone that thinks it's expensive I guess they forgot the many many
posts from people when the 360 was released talking about the HDTV's they
were buying to make sure they could take full advantage of their new
system. Some people just happen to want a higher level performance with
their gaming & are willing to pay for it. Look at the insane amounts of
money some people pour into PC's just to play games better. An 360 with a
20in HDTV is almost peanuts in comparission to that.
I'm not saying everyone can afford it but I'm far from rich but decided to
buy a smaller HDTV because I knew how much better games would look on it &
I don't regret it at all. There's no need for other people to get mad about
it. HDTV > SDTV (lol I think manufactures made up that SDTV stuff to make
old TVs look better)
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| Mantorok 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| > Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
quote:
> news:cbb45a82a4f38c8a5ffc6dde903@news.rmplc.co.uk:
> A 20in HDTV is simply superior to a 36in standard TV, size is not the
> most important factor. If you used one you would know. Besides who has
> one TV these days ? lol! And $500 is in Canada, they are even cheaper
> in the US.
>
> And for anyone that thinks it's expensive I guess they forgot the many
> many posts from people when the 360 was released talking about the
> HDTV's they were buying to make sure they could take full advantage of
> their new system. Some people just happen to want a higher level
> performance with their gaming & are willing to pay for it. Look at the
> insane amounts of money some people pour into PC's just to play games
> better. An 360 with a 20in HDTV is almost peanuts in comparission to
> that.
>
> I'm not saying everyone can afford it but I'm far from rich but
> decided to buy a smaller HDTV because I knew how much better games
> would look on it & I don't regret it at all. There's no need for other
> people to get mad about it. HDTV > SDTV (lol I think manufactures made
> up that SDTV stuff to make old TVs look better)
I'm in the UK, do you realise what the prices are over here? We've only just
had HD exposed to us, so it's quite expensive, although they are coming down
quite a bit.
I've seen HD and to be honest it's not worth it just for a high-res picture,
after all our digital TV is shite quality, there's not enough reason to warrant
a purchase over here.
Kev
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| El Guapo 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| "Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
> news:bb0Og.7283$v%4.3248@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>
> Sheesh don't be bitter because your poor. There's really no point even
> owning a 360 if you don't have HDTV.
A classic ad hominem response to being owned.
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| Andrew 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:01:01 +0000 (UTC), Mantorok
<mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote:
quote:
>I've seen HD and to be honest it's not worth it just for a high-res picture,
>after all our digital TV is shite quality, there's not enough reason to warrant
>a purchase over here.
Maybe it depends on the quality of your CRT. Going to my HD LCD was a
massive jump in quality for me, for gaming or digital TV watching.
--
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"Mantorok" <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Oh well - it's a shame it's going to be too late by then, as the Wii
> would've crushed the 360 in sales by that time leaving 3rd parties to
> think twice about their loyalties....
>
> Kev
>
One of two things will happen. The Wii will either sell big or not sell at
all. I can only see ignorant mother buying their children a Wii because of
price and the gimmick controller. It will be up to the children to insist
upon a 360.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| Mantorok <mantorok@mantorok.com> wrote in
news:cbb45a82a59d8c8a61d58c057d2@news.rmplc.co.uk:
quote:
> I'm in the UK, do you realise what the prices are over here? We've
> only just had HD exposed to us, so it's quite expensive, although they
> are coming down quite a bit.
>
> I've seen HD and to be honest it's not worth it just for a high-res
> picture, after all our digital TV is shite quality, there's not enough
> reason to warrant a purchase over here.
>
> Kev
Nope sorry, I don't live in the UK so I have no idea what prices are like
over there. All I can say is once you've played a console on an HD screen
you never want to go back.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in news:UVcOg.1128$6S3.434
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
quote:
> "Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
> news:Xns983E48AD812xxxxttttyyyyxxxxx@198.164.200.20...
>
> A classic ad hominem response to being owned.
>
>
lol it's the people who say they own others who are in fact the ones owned.
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| El Guapo 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| "Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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quote:
> "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in news:UVcOg.1128$6S3.434
> @newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>
>
> lol it's the people who say they own others who are in fact the ones
> owned.
I don't know about that - but when others say others are owned by others,
then the second others are usually the ones who were owned.
And by second others, I mean you. You were owned by the OP. See?
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| In microsoft.public.xbox WJM <wjmuldowney@noearthlinkspam.net> wrote:
quote:
> LOL...I can see the first time I take out some crystal or china or some
> other expensive item my wife has scattered around. That'll go over real
> well!
As the say, the more things change, the more they stay the same...
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
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quote:
> I have a better idea. Why don't you prove that people are out there
> buying huge numbers of 20" HDTV's, rather than standard units? After
> all, you are the one who claimed that they are "cheap and plentiful."
Go to ANY store. Look at the TV section, how many non LCD TV's do you see
there ? LCD's including those that are HDTV capable are knocking old tube
TVs of off the shelves.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
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quote:
> And by second others, I mean you. You were owned by the OP. See?
Hey whatever imaginary thing that makes you happy, go for it! Personally I
prefer discussions that are going somewhere, which this one clearly is not.
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| Jordan 2006-09-14, 7:47 pm |
| AirRaid wrote:
quote:
> a game running at 480i could have totally superior graphics to a game
> running at 720p or 1080i.
This is something I have been saying for years. It's all dependent on
the native resolution of the graphics. Look at movies like Jurassic
Park or King Kong on a standard TV, they look great. Yes, it's 480i
(most likely). Does it really matter? No, because the native resolution
of the movie was insanely high to begin with.
If you take Atari 2600 graphics and display them at 720p they are still
Atari 2600 graphics.
- Jordan
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"CJ" <cjmartin04@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:m80Og.7281$v%4.5167@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> It is a gimmick, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a BAD gimmick
> IMO. But, focusing on the controller is missing the point about console
> sales and the video game market in general. Only Crazy Ken thinks people
> buy a console for the console itself and not for the games.
Okay, I wasn't making some global prediction of the Wii's success. I was
simply stating that *I* may buy one because I think the controller may add
another game play experience for many games. I will purchase a console if
the game play experience is something that I can't get elsewhere. The
examples of some of the sports games are one example, but the same might
apply for FPS games, shooters (like the old style Duck Hunt), flight
simulations, and others.
You make the point that no one buys a console - they buy the machine to get
the games they want. I agree with you (although I could play devil's
advocate and point to many who have bough a game console because of one
particular game that came out upon release and the "promise" of others to
follow.) People buy a system less for a game than for the game *experience*.
I would also like to reiterate that a controller than significantly impacts
gameplay in fact may impact the game experience.
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
> news:bb0Og.7283$v%4.3248@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>
> Sheesh don't be bitter because your poor. There's really no point even
> owning a 360 if you don't have HDTV.
I'm pretty far removed from poor, and probably earn twice what you do...but
I have a large family and other things I pay for. I actually do have HDTV
(and TiVo, and a DVD hard drive burner, and blahblahblah), BUT I wouldn't
say HDTV is cheap at $600 (or whatever you paid).
I haven't bought an XBox 360 yet (even though my tax return this year was
$15,000) mainly because my wife wants other things and doesn't see the
"value" in a new system when we already have an XBox and the kids are fine
with it. I tend to agree that it's probably not the best use of cash at the
moment, but I'll eventually buy one of the next generation consoles (maybe
the Wii since it offers much different game play than the other choices).
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
> news:xVhOg.1054$TV3.967@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
>
>
> Hey whatever imaginary thing that makes you happy, go for it! Personally I
> prefer discussions that are going somewhere, which this one clearly is
> not.
And yet you continue the conversation...quite ironic (and foolish also).
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> "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> Oh it does?
>
Perhaps not in your world...
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 11:50 pm |
| "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
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> do...but I have a large family and other things I pay for. I actually
> do have HDTV (and TiVo, and a DVD hard drive burner, and
> blahblahblah), BUT I wouldn't say HDTV is cheap at $600 (or whatever
> you paid).
Hey, we all make choices in life. Having a family was of no interest to me
so I can spend what I earn on what I like. To each their own.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-14, 11:50 pm |
| "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
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quote:
> And yet you continue the conversation...quite ironic (and foolish
> also).
Ah well it's Usenet, it's not as if what people say here matters anyway 
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| El Guapo 2006-09-15, 7:46 pm |
| "Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
> news:E7nOg.1671$UG4.653@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>
> Hey, we all make choices in life. Having a family was of no interest to me
> so I can spend what I earn on what I like. To each their own.
No responsibilities besides yourself? Wow, I never would have guessed. Oh,
wait, I did.
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-09-15, 7:46 pm |
| In microsoft.public.xbox Paul C. <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote:
quote:
> Considering that the Wii doesn't even support HDtv it would be hard pressed
> to compare to visuals on the 360. Maybe they compared it with both systems
> on a normal T.V. (yuck, who the hell does that nowadays, HDTV's are cheap &
> plentiful & there is little excuse not to have one)
HDTVs have gotten cheaper - but would still be considered quite expensive
to a large percentage of the gaming market, much less the TV one.
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| Paul C. 2006-09-15, 7:46 pm |
| "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
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> No responsibilities besides yourself? Wow, I never would have
> guessed. Oh, wait, I did.
And you point is ? If you made a choice to have a family & now have to do
without other things that's your problem not mine.
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> Ah well it's Usenet, it's not as if what people say here matters anyway
First thing you've said with which I can agree. ;-)
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> Hey, we all make choices in life. Having a family was of no interest to me
> so I can spend what I earn on what I like. To each their own.
Yep...we make our choices.
Besides, the world is thankful you aren't producing offspring. ;-)
(owned again)
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> And you point is ? If you made a choice to have a family & now have to do
> without other things that's your problem not mine.
When you are old and on your deathbed, your legacy will suck. ;-)
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"Guest" <llcoolj@comcast.com> wrote in message
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> You sound a like a marketing vice-president. No one would buy a system
> for a controller. I would buy it for games that I could not get
> elsewhere, but not for a controller. That Wii pack-in game IS NOT a
> system seller. It is actually a mistake. If anything, they should have
> put in that Mario game as a pack-in. If I were in charge of MS or any
> game company, I would put a game in mandatory.
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> The
I'm just a consumer speaking for myself. I'll get the 17-24 year old geeks
here play market forecasters and try to figure out who will "win" the
"console wars." I couldn't care less as long as whatever I purchase is good
for me and I enjoy the games (and the gameplay).
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| Jonah Falcon 2006-09-16, 7:40 pm |
| How good are the graphics in Wii Sports?
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That's 'assuming' that the Wii controller does that. Just because it's all
Nintendo has does not mean that it is actually good. The more I look at
video fo the guys playing it, the more I realize not only how boring it can
get, but how crappy the graphics are and the limited potential.
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> I'm just a consumer speaking for myself. I'll get the 17-24 year old
> geeks here play market forecasters and try to figure out who will "win"
> the "console wars." I couldn't care less as long as whatever I purchase is
> good for me and I enjoy the games (and the gameplay).
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| Paul C. 2006-09-16, 7:40 pm |
| "WJM" <wjmuldowney@NOearthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in
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> Yep...we make our choices.
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> Besides, the world is thankful you aren't producing offspring. ;-)
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> (owned again)
Tsk tsk you children with that inane concept of "owning" people. That
doesn't exist anymore, it was known as slavery & was eliminated long ago in
North America.
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"Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> Tsk tsk you children with that inane concept of "owning" people. That
> doesn't exist anymore, it was known as slavery & was eliminated long ago
> in
> North America.
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I don't use that term, but it seems popular with the younger crowd here.
Trust me, I'm far from 20 years old
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| Michel Thiffault 2006-09-17, 7:41 pm |
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> One of two things will happen. The Wii will either sell big or not sell
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> all. I can only see ignorant mother buying their children a Wii because
> of price and the gimmick controller. It will be up to the children to
> insist upon a 360.
I own a 360 and love it. But if I were to buy a console for kids it wouldn't
be the 360! There are very few games for kids available for the 360.
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| El Guapo 2006-09-17, 7:41 pm |
| "Paul C." <Paul_C_NB@yahoo.canospam> wrote in message
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> "El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote in
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> And you point is ? If you made a choice to have a family & now have to do
> without other things that's your problem not mine.
Missing the point, as usual. The point is, only somebody with no
responsibilities other than to himself would think that HDTV's are "cheap
and plentiful," and that anybody should be able to just run out and get one
without a problem.
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