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JoeM

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
compatible router, but will any b/g router work?


StephenB

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

"JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote:
quote:

>Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
>compatible router, but will any b/g router work?
>

Yes. Any Router will do. I imagine you could run into one that fails to work,
but that should be the exception and it probably would fail to work with more
than the xbox. If you are talking about the adapter, which connects to the xbox,
you're more limited due to compatibility issues. The Router should not be an
issue.
-steve
--
Stephen Boots
MVP MSN.COM
sboots@mvps.org
David Parkes

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

routers are pretty much a standard peice of networking kit. The only problem
I can forsee is if it has an inbuilt firewall which block certain ports that
the live service uses.

I have a netgear router/wireless/firewall running on my DSL connection and I
have had no problems. Like I said watch for ports that might be blocked, and
Also check your DHCP/ IP configuration.

"JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
> compatible router, but will any b/g router work?
>



Skijumptoes

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:55:48 -0500, "JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote:
quote:

>Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
>compatible router, but will any b/g router work?


Yeah but i think you still need a bridge/hub or something near the 360
to receive the connection and go into the LAN port at the back.

I'm sure it's not wireless network compatible out of the box.. I hope
i'm wrong though.
JoeM

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Thanks

"Skijumptoes" <SjT@privacy.net> wrote in message
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quote:

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:55:48 -0500, "JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah but i think you still need a bridge/hub or something near the 360
> to receive the connection and go into the LAN port at the back.
>
> I'm sure it's not wireless network compatible out of the box.. I hope
> i'm wrong though.



JoeM

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Thanks, I am planning on buying a 360 and just wanted to check to see if
anyone was having any issues. My friends that have the 360 also said they
have no problems. Thanks

"StephenB" <sboots@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> "JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. Any Router will do. I imagine you could run into one that fails to
> work,
> but that should be the exception and it probably would fail to work with
> more
> than the xbox. If you are talking about the adapter, which connects to the
> xbox,
> you're more limited due to compatibility issues. The Router should not be
> an
> issue.
> -steve
> --
> Stephen Boots
> MVP MSN.COM
> sboots@mvps.org



JoeM

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Thanks, I am planning on buying a 360 and just wanted to check to see if
anyone was having any issues
"David Parkes" <wibble@wobble.com> wrote in message
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> routers are pretty much a standard peice of networking kit. The only
> problem I can forsee is if it has an inbuilt firewall which block certain
> ports that the live service uses.
>
> I have a netgear router/wireless/firewall running on my DSL connection and
> I have had no problems. Like I said watch for ports that might be blocked,
> and Also check your DHCP/ IP configuration.
>
> "JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
>



Chris H.

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

You can check the Xbox-compatible routers here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/conn...uterlanding.htm I would avoid
using the "speed booster" touted units because you would also have to match
that with a compatible (proprietary) wireless device if you're heading in
that direction. Make sure you purchase a router which uses standard,
approved protocols. If you're planning in the future to use the Xbox 360
with a Media Center Edition computer or want to stream music or pictures, I
would look into a router which will do 802.11g and a. The Xbox 360 brand
wireless adapter will give you the best performance on 802.11a.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
> compatible router, but will any b/g router work?
>



Doug Jacobs

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Skijumptoes <SjT@privacy.net> wrote:
quote:

> I'm sure it's not wireless network compatible out of the box.. I hope
> i'm wrong though.


There is a 360 wireless adaptor, but I think it's pretty expensive.

Alternatively, you could just buy a wireless access point (WAP) and plug your
Xbox into that. Or, if you want to be even cheaper, buy a separate
router. For some reason, routers are really cheap, like $30, but WAPs cost
$70-80. I don't understand. A router is a WAP, plus an ethernet switch,
plus some extra firmware for the DHCP server, firewall, etc. IT should be
the more expensive thing, not the WAP!
JoeM

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Thanks

"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> You can check the Xbox-compatible routers here:
> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/conn...uterlanding.htm I would avoid
> using the "speed booster" touted units because you would also have to
> match that with a compatible (proprietary) wireless device if you're
> heading in that direction. Make sure you purchase a router which uses
> standard, approved protocols. If you're planning in the future to use the
> Xbox 360 with a Media Center Edition computer or want to stream music or
> pictures, I would look into a router which will do 802.11g and a. The
> Xbox 360 brand wireless adapter will give you the best performance on
> 802.11a.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
>



Adam

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

most well known routers are now coming out with the xbox live option built
in. Enable this and it should give you a whole new world......


"JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
> compatible router, but will any b/g router work?
>



Tim Bird

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm


"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Skijumptoes <SjT@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
> There is a 360 wireless adaptor, but I think it's pretty expensive.
>
> Alternatively, you could just buy a wireless access point (WAP) and plug
> your
> Xbox into that. Or, if you want to be even cheaper, buy a separate
> router. For some reason, routers are really cheap, like $30, but WAPs
> cost
> $70-80. I don't understand. A router is a WAP, plus an ethernet switch,
> plus some extra firmware for the DHCP server, firewall, etc. IT should be
> the more expensive thing, not the WAP!


Same thing I thought - suppose more people may buy routers and that brings
the costs down.


Rick Mogstad

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Not all routers can be used as a wireless bridge. Actually, you end up
spending just about as much to buy one that can as you do buying a wireless
bridge.


"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Skijumptoes <SjT@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
> There is a 360 wireless adaptor, but I think it's pretty expensive.
>
> Alternatively, you could just buy a wireless access point (WAP) and plug
> your
> Xbox into that. Or, if you want to be even cheaper, buy a separate
> router. For some reason, routers are really cheap, like $30, but WAPs
> cost
> $70-80. I don't understand. A router is a WAP, plus an ethernet switch,
> plus some extra firmware for the DHCP server, firewall, etc. IT should be
> the more expensive thing, not the WAP!



Phil

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm


"JoeM" <joem83@msn.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
> compatible router, but will any b/g router work?
>


Works fine with my Linksys.


Doug Jacobs

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
quote:

> Not all routers can be used as a wireless bridge. Actually, you end up
> spending just about as much to buy one that can as you do buying a wireless
> bridge.


The original poster already has a router, so if a 2nd router will work,
why spend more than what 2 routers costs?
Mothra

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

JoeM wrote:
quote:

> Can the 360 work with any B/G wireless router? I Know there is an XBOX
> compatible router, but will any b/g router work?
>
>

Yes, but steer clear of wireless bridges or access points as these can
mess up UPnP, which is required for streaming music, pictures from your
PC (or Windows Media Centre PC).
Manny Borges

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Thats not what he said. Most APs and Router cannot bridge to another access
point/Router.Especially not the cheap ones. That is why bridges exist.
--
Manny Borges
MCSE NT4-2003 (+ Security)
MCT, Certified Cheese Master

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who do understand binary
and those who don't.
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The original poster already has a router, so if a 2nd router will work,
> why spend more than what 2 routers costs?



Tim Bird

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm


"Mothra" <mothra@mothra.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> JoeM wrote:
> Yes, but steer clear of wireless bridges or access points as these can
> mess up UPnP, which is required for streaming music, pictures from your PC
> (or Windows Media Centre PC).


Do you have details on this, please? It may be information that I'll need.


Rick Mogstad

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm


"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The original poster already has a router, so if a 2nd router will work,
> why spend more than what 2 routers costs?



Once you know anything about wireless technology, post back here and we can
discuss it.


Rick Mogstad

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

I am using a netgear wireless bridge with a linksys WRT54G router, and all
is working fine. I cant stream TV from my wifes media center laptop since
both of them are wireless, but everything else runs just fine.


"Mothra" <mothra@mothra.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> JoeM wrote:
> Yes, but steer clear of wireless bridges or access points as these can
> mess up UPnP, which is required for streaming music, pictures from your PC
> (or Windows Media Centre PC).



Chris H.

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Yes, it is highly recommended because of the bandwidth requirements for
streaming videos, that the Media Center Edition computer system be wired.
Having both wireless eats too much up, and the result is totally
unacceptable.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone


"Rick Mogstad" <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am using a netgear wireless bridge with a linksys WRT54G router, and all
>is working fine. I cant stream TV from my wifes media center laptop since
>both of them are wireless, but everything else runs just fine.



Rick Mogstad

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Yeah, but I knew that going in, and wasnt worried about it ;)


"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Yes, it is highly recommended because of the bandwidth requirements for
> streaming videos, that the Media Center Edition computer system be wired.
> Having both wireless eats too much up, and the result is totally
> unacceptable.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Rick Mogstad" <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>



Doug Jacobs

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
quote:

> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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[vbcol=seagreen]
> Once you know anything about wireless technology, post back here and we can
> discuss it.


I can't help but feel I've somehow fallen into an alternate universe where
things like basic logic and vocabulary no longer mean what they once did...

While some routers don't support bridging, some do, or you can configure 1
router as an access point, yes?

The store near me sells bridges for like $100 but routers for only $30.
So if a 2nd router would work, why spend $100?
Manny Borges

2006-02-25, 10:31 pm

Dude, it just doesn't work like that.

A router, an access point, and a bridge are all different things.

While some may be marketed as having some features of the other, they won't
be 30 dollars.

My point: they only thing that will work is a device that performs wireless
bridging. So drop the words "access point" and "router". They are
irrelevant.

So, no dude, you haven't fallen into an alternate universe. Logic and basic
vocabulary have remained a constant(with minor variances over time allowed
for cultural evolution).You are just too stupid to bother finding out what
you are actually talking about before you offer an opinion.


--
Manny Borges
MCSE NT4-2003 (+ Security)
MCT, Certified Cheese Master

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who do understand binary
and those who don't.
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I can't help but feel I've somehow fallen into an alternate universe where
> things like basic logic and vocabulary no longer mean what they once
> did...
>
> While some routers don't support bridging, some do, or you can configure 1
> router as an access point, yes?
>
> The store near me sells bridges for like $100 but routers for only $30.
> So if a 2nd router would work, why spend $100?



Rick Mogstad

2006-02-26, 8:01 pm

quote:

>
> The store near me sells bridges for like $100 but routers for only $30.
> So if a 2nd router would work, why spend $100?



plain and simple, there are not any $30 routers that will act as a client
bridge. you will be spending as much money on one that will, as you would
on a dedicated bridge.


Doug Jacobs

2006-03-06, 11:45 pm

Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
quote:

> plain and simple, there are not any $30 routers that will act as a client
> bridge. you will be spending as much money on one that will, as you would
> on a dedicated bridge.


But that doesn't make sense to me.

A router IS essentially a bridge - a bridge with a lot of brains, but a
bridge nonetheless.

Or am I falling victim to market-speak? Just as "DSL Modems" have nothing
to do with MOdulating/DEModulating analog phone signals, are these
"wireless routers" really not true routers?

Otherwise, I don't see why you couldn't do this:

Game Console--networkA--[router1]))) networkB ((([router2]-{internet}

NetworkA is ethernet, NetworkB is wireless and are different networks,
like 10.10.10.x/24 and 10.10.20.x/24.

With the wireless router I have, I know I CAN do this if I connected an
ethernet cable from router1's Internet port to a switch port on router2.
Doug Jacobs

2006-03-06, 11:45 pm

Manny Borges <manny_borges@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:

> My point: they only thing that will work is a device that performs wireless
> bridging. So drop the words "access point" and "router". They are
> irrelevant.


So then, these "wireless routers" really aren't routers. That would
explain my confusion.


Rick Mogstad

2006-03-06, 11:45 pm


"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Rick Mogstad <rick.mogstad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> But that doesn't make sense to me.
>
> A router IS essentially a bridge - a bridge with a lot of brains, but a
> bridge nonetheless.
>
> Or am I falling victim to market-speak? Just as "DSL Modems" have nothing
> to do with MOdulating/DEModulating analog phone signals, are these
> "wireless routers" really not true routers?
>
> Otherwise, I don't see why you couldn't do this:
>
> Game Console--networkA--[router1]))) networkB ((([router2]-{internet}
>
> NetworkA is ethernet, NetworkB is wireless and are different networks,
> like 10.10.10.x/24 and 10.10.20.x/24.
>




The difference is, that most routers act as a wireless SERVER and not a
wireless CLIENT. They have to be able to act as the client side of the
bridge, on the wireless interface in order to function as a bridge.
quote:

> With the wireless router I have, I know I CAN do this if I connected an
> ethernet cable from router1's Internet port to a switch port on router2.


Thats because you are using a cable. The wireless interface of a router is
not on the CLIENT/WAN side of the router, but on the SERVER/LAN side of the
router. Some more expensive routers can act as a wireless bridge (a.k.a.
wireless client)


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