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| David Parkes 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| PS3
Hot or Flop?
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| Madmiddle 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| flop ! parents will not be able to afford it
personally i think they should have done the BR as an add on like the Xbox
has done with the HD-DVD and chose whether to have it or not
--
"Cricket is like a broken pencil"
"Pointless"
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> PS3
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> Hot or Flop?
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Madmiddle <andydotmiddletonatbaesystemsdotcom> wrote:
quote:
> flop ! parents will not be able to afford it
With the average gamer pushing into the late 20s, you could argue that the
PS3 isn't intended for kids.
And certainly with the crazed hordes of eBay lunatics, the first batch of
PS3s will most likely be snapped up for the sole purpose of flipping on
eBay for 2 or 3x the profit.
If Sony can show why the PS3 is superior to the 360, and produce the games
to back up those claims, the price won't be as big a problem. The average
gamer is no longer the 6-12 year old kid relying on his parents, but is
now in his mid or late 20s, with a lucrative job and a large amount of
disposable income.
quote:
> personally i think they should have done the BR as an add on like the Xbox
> has done with the HD-DVD and chose whether to have it or not
Sony's strategy is to use the PS3 to drive Blu-Ray into the home.
There are a lot of problems with this strategy - chief among them is that
Sony can't get a hold of enough laser diodes to produce the PS3 in large
quantities (much less produce their own Blu-Ray player)
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| Madmiddle 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| fair point !! didn't look at it that way !!
i still think if sony don't prove to everybody why the PS3 is better, and
what justifies such a massive price tag, they will lose alot of ground to
the xbox.
ok the xbox would have been out for about 19 months longer but the game base
will be larger than the PS3 when it comes out. and microsoft will probably
be in a position to lower the price tag of it's top package and lure more
people into chosing the xbox over the expensive PS3
--
"Cricket is like a broken pencil"
"Pointless"
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Madmiddle <andydotmiddletonatbaesystemsdotcom> wrote:
>
> With the average gamer pushing into the late 20s, you could argue that the
> PS3 isn't intended for kids.
>
> And certainly with the crazed hordes of eBay lunatics, the first batch of
> PS3s will most likely be snapped up for the sole purpose of flipping on
> eBay for 2 or 3x the profit.
>
> If Sony can show why the PS3 is superior to the 360, and produce the games
> to back up those claims, the price won't be as big a problem. The average
> gamer is no longer the 6-12 year old kid relying on his parents, but is
> now in his mid or late 20s, with a lucrative job and a large amount of
> disposable income.
>
Xbox[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Sony's strategy is to use the PS3 to drive Blu-Ray into the home.
>
> There are a lot of problems with this strategy - chief among them is that
> Sony can't get a hold of enough laser diodes to produce the PS3 in large
> quantities (much less produce their own Blu-Ray player)
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Madmiddle <andydotmiddletonatbaesystemsdotcom> wrote:
quote:
> i still think if sony don't prove to everybody why the PS3 is better, and
> what justifies such a massive price tag, they will lose alot of ground to
> the xbox.
Oh definitely. The early previews of games on the PS3 (meaning, things
you can actually play - not looped demos on a DVD player somewhere)
indicate that for multiplatform releases, there is virtually no difference
in the graphics between the PS3 and 360 version.
Back with the PS2/Xbox competition, it was a fair decision to go with the
Xbox over PS2 for multiplatform games because their graphics were almost
always better. However, the Xbox also suffered because the majority of
its library was multiplatform titles (either PC or PS2).
This time, it's a little different. If the PS3 and 360 are essentially
identical when it comes to the multiplatform titles, then the real
deciding factors are going to be either the exclusive titles, or the
price. PS3 has already lost at least 1 exclusive title when it was
announced MGS4 would be released on both PS3 and 360 simultaneously. And
if the decision comes down to price, PS3 will lose. Period. There is no
way Sony can feasibly drop the price on the PS3 to meet or beat the 360
for quite some time.
What Sony has to do - and until now has done a miserable job of - is
_show_ us the exclusive games that will tip the scale in the PS3's favor,
despite its higher price. Until now, all we've really gotten is an
assortment of inane quotes like 'Riiiiidge racer!" and "realtime weapon
switching!" Without a strong library of exclusive titles, the PS3 is
going to lose.
quote:
> ok the xbox would have been out for about 19 months longer but the game base
> will be larger than the PS3 when it comes out. and microsoft will probably
> be in a position to lower the price tag of it's top package and lure more
> people into chosing the xbox over the expensive PS3
Microsoft doesn't have to lower its price. The PS3 launch is basically a
non-event as far as Microsoft is concerned. There'll be more 360s sold in
Japan than PS3s during the same period of time. The same will be true for
the US, and obviously Europe.
Now, what Microsoft might do is wait for the European PS3 launch date
(~March?) and announce a price drop then. I think that would be the
smarter time to do it.
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| Summary: To early to tell, but Sony has an uphill battle. They've built a
system that has too may options built-in and are charging accordingly - that
is not a good thing. There is something wrong when a gaming machine's
biggest selling point is something not associated with gaming (i.e., the
Blu-Ray). Their worst enemy is themselves. As a gamer I'm tired of being
lied too and in being forced to buy "things" I don't want/need.
Good Things:
Great graphics (as good - if not better then Xbox 360)
Great backwards compatibility (much better then Xbox 360, but to
transfer save files you will need an optional memory adapter)
Blu-Ray built-in (if you have a HDTV you want better graphics then DVD
offers, but doesn't really add to gaming experience)
Free online head-to-head gaming (note: as long as the vendor isn't
charging more).
Hard drive in both SKUs. - might offset Blu-Ray slow data transfer rate
Bad Things:
Price: Makes the cost too expensive to be a gift (at least for most of
us).
No rumble feedback in controller
Blu-Ray built-in: Implies slow load times and high price. Forces me to
buy a component I might not want.
Availability - 400,000 units in the U.S. for launch - not good.
Battery in controller is not swappable or replaceable. When it dies, so
does the controller.
Online gaming that depends so heavily on the game vendor's desires -
still not an integrated experience like Xbox Live.
Hard drive in both SKUs - raises the price and forces me to buy a
component I might not want (didn't they learn anything from Microsoft?).
Standard AV cables in box. No HDMI cable included. You want to HD
output - you are going to have to pony up even more money.
256 MB Main RAM. This is gonna limit some games.
Questionable Things:
Motion control. This might actually work. Watching my wife play a
racing game as she leans into all the corners tells me this just might be
the way to go with some games.
Annoyances:
Sony's lies in its price comparison charts - what are they so afraid of
that they have to lie? How stupid do they think their consumers are?
Price: Only people buying for themselves are going to purchase. If you
have kids or a casual gamer, you will buy them a Wii. If you want HD games
you can buy the Xbox 360. The only folks that would seriously consider a
PS3 are fanboys and those that want a Blu-Ray player - cause this is the
least expensive Blu-Ray player.
Sony's lies about the configuration of the machine during E3. Where is
the dual HDMI? How about the multiple Ethernet ports?
Sony's lies concerning the quality of the graphics. Running
pre-rendered videos and claiming them as in-game graphics seems to be the
norm. What are the capabilities of the unit - really?
Sony's lies concerning availablity of the units for the launch date.
What other Sony lies are out there?
"David Parkes" <wibble@wobble.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> PS3
>
> Hot or Flop?
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| WDS <Bill@seurer.net> wrote:
quote:
> http://businessweek.com/innovate/co...week+exclusives
quote:
> BusinessWeek says "Hot", sort of.
Pfft.
All BusinessWeek did was copy&paste the article from GameDaily that's
already been torn apart by the rest of the gaming media (not to mention by
folks here.)
About the only valid point they make is that the PS3 will get some sales
due to brand recognition. But you can't win on brand recognition alone.
There's yet to be a game released that has shown that blu-ray actually
does matter to games. Meanwhile, the 360 is releasing HD games on a
single DVD disc.
"Free Online" has to come with some caveats. With Microsoft, you pay to
play, with Sony, playing is free, but everything else costs a dollar. I
fail to see the advantage. Even then, the only online service we've seen
of Sony's is their marketplace. No one's producing online games because
Sony hasn't told them how to do that yet(!!!)
Japan is going to go to Nintendo this time. And if Sony doesn't get their
stuff together, they might even lose out to Microsoft this time!
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> PS3 has already lost at least 1 exclusive title when it was
> announced MGS4 would be released on both PS3 and 360 simultaneously.
While that would be real cool, as MSG has been a really great gaming series,
it is still speculation and not fact, unless you have a solid reference to
your statement's veracity.
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> PS3 has already lost at least 1 exclusive title when it was
> announced MGS4 would be released on both PS3 and 360 simultaneously.
While that would be real cool, as MSG has been a really great gaming series,
it is still speculation and not fact, unless you have a solid reference to
your statement's veracity.
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| js1662 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Different people will probably have different opinion. Time will tell
whether it is Hot or Flop in the long run. It will probably be a Hot during
the launch time due to its limited supply and large fan base. In my
opinion, one factor that probably will affect the long run result is the
quality of the console. If it has all the quality issues just like the xbox
360, not only that it will hurt the PS3, it will also hurt the game console
market as more people will go back to PC game instead.
"David Parkes" <wibble@wobble.com> wrote in message
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> PS3
>
> Hot or Flop?
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| L.K. Duh 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:19:16 -0000,
David Parkes wrote:
quote:
> PS3
>
> Hot or Flop?
2008-hit
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| Normus Deenghis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| "David Parkes" <wibble@wobble.com> wrote in news:OWQyu8O$GHA.4712
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
quote:
> PS3
>
> Hot or Flop?
>
>
I'm sure it will do well just on account of the "specification geeks"
whether or not these are ever realized either in game or in fact (same as
the PS2.
Somehow Sony keeps it going mostly by slinging FUD for some extended period
to give them time to catch up and getting away with it. Usually a year
telling people how much GREATER it is going to be than anyone else's, then
another year or two actually getting it to what they said it would be
(assuming they ever do... PS2 is still not even up to the complete
vaporware package they were spouting 1+ years before it came out just to
keep people from buying Dreamcast).
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| js1662 <No@email> wrote:
quote:
> Different people will probably have different opinion. Time will tell
> whether it is Hot or Flop in the long run. It will probably be a Hot during
> the launch time due to its limited supply and large fan base. In my
> opinion, one factor that probably will affect the long run result is the
> quality of the console. If it has all the quality issues just like the xbox
> 360, not only that it will hurt the PS3, it will also hurt the game console
> market as more people will go back to PC game instead.
PC gaming is on the ropes as it is due to a shrinking market, and rising
development costs. If that wasn't bad enough, the remaining gamers are
finding it harder and harder to remain "loyal" with all the restrictive
liscensing being forced down their throats via Vista and the software
they're trying use. Yeah, sure, the easy solution is "don't buy it." and
many are coming to the conclusion that the hassles just aren't worth it
anymore. Especially since all this licensing junk does nothing but punish
legitimate customers while piracy continues unaffected (and now, offers a
superior product to the original!)
At this rate, 2010 will see the end of PC gaming as we know it. This
won't end gaming on PCs - the shareware/freeware/indie scenes are more
active than ever before.
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:12kfet928vfloc5@corp.supernews.com...
quote:
> PS3 has already lost at least 1 exclusive title when it was
> announced MGS4 would be released on both PS3 and 360 simultaneously.
While that would be real cool, as MSG has been a really great gaming series,
it is still speculation and not fact, unless you have a solid reference to
your statement's veracity.
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| Madmiddle 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| I have been with consoles all my life I started with the usual MS then I
went to the SNES, N64 ,PSOne but then I was persuaded to change to the xbox
by the package including Halo.
and after talking to allot of people at work they switched because of the
same package.
I'm just wondering if Microsoft will have something similar up their sleeve
for the launch of the PS3?
--
"Cricket is like a broken pencil"
"Pointless"
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:12kfet928vfloc5@corp.supernews.com...
quote:
> Madmiddle <andydotmiddletonatbaesystemsdotcom> wrote:
>
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>
> Oh definitely. The early previews of games on the PS3 (meaning, things
> you can actually play - not looped demos on a DVD player somewhere)
> indicate that for multiplatform releases, there is virtually no difference
> in the graphics between the PS3 and 360 version.
>
> Back with the PS2/Xbox competition, it was a fair decision to go with the
> Xbox over PS2 for multiplatform games because their graphics were almost
> always better. However, the Xbox also suffered because the majority of
> its library was multiplatform titles (either PC or PS2).
>
> This time, it's a little different. If the PS3 and 360 are essentially
> identical when it comes to the multiplatform titles, then the real
> deciding factors are going to be either the exclusive titles, or the
> price. PS3 has already lost at least 1 exclusive title when it was
> announced MGS4 would be released on both PS3 and 360 simultaneously. And
> if the decision comes down to price, PS3 will lose. Period. There is no
> way Sony can feasibly drop the price on the PS3 to meet or beat the 360
> for quite some time.
>
> What Sony has to do - and until now has done a miserable job of - is
> _show_ us the exclusive games that will tip the scale in the PS3's favor,
> despite its higher price. Until now, all we've really gotten is an
> assortment of inane quotes like 'Riiiiidge racer!" and "realtime weapon
> switching!" Without a strong library of exclusive titles, the PS3 is
> going to lose.
>
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>
> Microsoft doesn't have to lower its price. The PS3 launch is basically a
> non-event as far as Microsoft is concerned. There'll be more 360s sold in
> Japan than PS3s during the same period of time. The same will be true for
> the US, and obviously Europe.
>
> Now, what Microsoft might do is wait for the European PS3 launch date
> (~March?) and announce a price drop then. I think that would be the
> smarter time to do it.
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| Well, it won't be Halo 3 for sure. From what I have read, and though
seemingly real, it won't be released until Nov 2007. If you consider how
smoking sales happened for Halo 2, which still holds a record of $125 mil.
sales in its first day of release, it would be hard to come close to that. I
don't know of a game that would sway a console addict to not buy a PS3.
But, considering there will only be 400,000 PS3 units for initial sale in
the US, I can see whoever waited this long for the newer console(s) to go
ahead and buy a 360 when they get disappointed by Xmas, that they (still)
can't get a PS3. Maybe MS/Bungie will release Halo 3 when there will be a
significant release of PS3s in the future.
"Madmiddle" <andydotmiddletonatbaesystemsdotcom> wrote in message
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quote:
>I have been with consoles all my life I started with the usual MS then I
> went to the SNES, N64 ,PSOne but then I was persuaded to change to the
> xbox
> by the package including Halo.
>
> and after talking to allot of people at work they switched because of the
> same package.
>
> I'm just wondering if Microsoft will have something similar up their
> sleeve
> for the launch of the PS3?
>
> --
> "Cricket is like a broken pencil"
>
>
> "Pointless"
>
>
> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
> news:12kfet928vfloc5@corp.supernews.com...
> and
> to
> base
> probably
> more
>
>
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Tom <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
quote:
> But, considering there will only be 400,000 PS3 units for initial sale in
> the US, I can see whoever waited this long for the newer console(s) to go
> ahead and buy a 360 when they get disappointed by Xmas, that they (still)
> can't get a PS3. Maybe MS/Bungie will release Halo 3 when there will be a
> significant release of PS3s in the future.
Microsoft doesn't have to do anything really. The launch of the PS3 is
going to be a non-event. All the units have already been sold - and most
are going to be resold on eBay.
Microsoft meanwhile, will have plenty of units on shelves, lots of games -
many of which are cheaper than the PS3. And don't forget about the HD-DVD
add-on drive. Chances are, Microsoft will sell more of its 360 HD-DVD
drive than the PS3 and all other blu-ray capable devices combined (which
isn't saying much - lots of companies have delayed release of their BR
players...)
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>
> Microsoft doesn't have to do anything really. The launch of the PS3 is
> going to be a non-event. All the units have already been sold - and most
> are going to be resold on eBay.
>
> Microsoft meanwhile, will have plenty of units on shelves, lots of games -
> many of which are cheaper than the PS3. And don't forget about the HD-DVD
> add-on drive. Chances are, Microsoft will sell more of its 360 HD-DVD
> drive than the PS3 and all other blu-ray capable devices combined (which
> isn't saying much - lots of companies have delayed release of their BR
> players...)
I guess you have a point, but you still didn't provide any certain
definition to MSG coming to the 360, other than some weblogged possibility
that I have seen.
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Tom <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
quote:
> I guess you have a point, but you still didn't provide any certain
> definition to MSG coming to the 360, other than some weblogged possibility
> that I have seen.
Sorry about that. I've looked, and only found that one reference on a
weblog, along with a public denial from Kojima himself, so it seems no MSG
for the 360...at least for now.
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:12kvn611j9glh93@corp.supernews.com...
quote:
> Tom <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry about that. I've looked, and only found that one reference on a
> weblog, along with a public denial from Kojima himself, so it seems no MSG
> for the 360...at least for now.
No biggie, but I got excited reading it. I know there was a MGS2 for the
Xbox, but that was it. It wouldn't surprise me to see MSG4 come to the 360
not only because it is such a popular hit series, well known to most gamers,
but also now that the 360 is pushing 7 millions consoles sold. There's much
money to be made there now.
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Tom <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
quote:
> No biggie, but I got excited reading it. I know there was a MGS2 for the
> Xbox, but that was it. It wouldn't surprise me to see MSG4 come to the 360
> not only because it is such a popular hit series, well known to most gamers,
> but also now that the 360 is pushing 7 millions consoles sold. There's much
> money to be made there now.
Very true. With game companies complaining about higher development
costs, and the race between Sony and Microsoft expected to be much closer
this time around, it wouldn't surprise me to see a lot more cross-platform
titles for the PS3/360.
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