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| Dennis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| When I bought my son a 360 several months ago, I understood that an updated
chip would be coming out for it. That's why I got the extended warranty
....so I could just swap it out. What's the latest on that?
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| In article <-sidncbpQoDhMafYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Dennis=20
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> When I bought my son a 360 several months ago, I understood that an updat=
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> chip would be coming out for it. That's why I got the extended warranty=
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> ...so I could just swap it out. What's the latest on that?=20
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WTF gave you that idea?
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| In article <-sidncbpQoDhMafYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Dennis <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote:
quote:
>When I bought my son a 360 several months ago, I understood that an updated
>chip would be coming out for it. That's why I got the extended warranty
>...so I could just swap it out. What's the latest on that?
You're probably remembering the news stories from April or so, where CSM
announced that they would make a CPU for the 360 that ran at a lower
temperature by reducing the number chips-per-wafer. Gamespot's article is
a typical regurgitation of the press release:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148098.html
This was supposed to happen by 2007. Not surprisingly, Microsoft hasn't
said anything on the subject in the mainstream media. I assume that your
plan is to just exchange the current console for a newer one, rather than
actually replacing component parts. Even so, I can't imagine that there
will be any way for the end consumer to tell which version of the chip is
present.
-KKC, who doesn't use his 360 often enough to worry about cooling it. 
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| Dennis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Several sources, including here and Best Buy (where I bought it).
Where, pray tell, did you learn manners?
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quote:
> When I bought my son a 360 several months ago, I understood that an
> updated
> chip would be coming out for it. That's why I got the extended warranty
> ...so I could just swap it out. What's the latest on that?
>
WTF gave you that idea?
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| Dennis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Yes, it was around April, and it was on advice that I got here on this NG
that I got the extended warranty ...so I could swap the 360 for one with the
new chip, around November. Thanks for the info.
"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@nospam.io> wrote in message
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quote:
> In article <-sidncbpQoDhMafYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Dennis <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote:
>
> You're probably remembering the news stories from April or so, where CSM
> announced that they would make a CPU for the 360 that ran at a lower
> temperature by reducing the number chips-per-wafer. Gamespot's article is
> a typical regurgitation of the press release:
>
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148098.html
>
> This was supposed to happen by 2007. Not surprisingly, Microsoft hasn't
> said anything on the subject in the mainstream media. I assume that your
> plan is to just exchange the current console for a newer one, rather than
> actually replacing component parts. Even so, I can't imagine that there
> will be any way for the end consumer to tell which version of the chip is
> present.
>
> -KKC, who doesn't use his 360 often enough to worry about cooling it. 
> --
> --From the top ten reasons to end war in the Middle East: | kendrick @
> 9) No more awkwardness buying the good olive oil in the | io.com
> Lebanese restaurant. 6) Cool new "A-Team" TV show based |
> on modern special ops soldiers. 2) Sexy archaeology under Babylon, baby.
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| Paul Smith 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| "Dennis" <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> When I bought my son a 360 several months ago, I understood that an
> updated chip would be coming out for it. That's why I got the extended
> warranty ...so I could just swap it out. What's the latest on that?
Not true.
Microsoft (and anyone working in the tech industry) will shrink the size of
the processors over time to save money (you can get more processors for the
same amount of silicon), but at no point will you be able to swap them out
and put new ones in.
Performance wise they'll be no difference, they may give off less heat, but
the fundamental reason for doing it is to bring down the cost of
manufacturing the machines.
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| Paul Smith 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
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> but at no point will you be able to swap them out and put new ones in.
Unless of course your machine breaks down, but even then I don't think they
can guarantee you'll get a newer machines.
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| JBDragon 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| It's a CONSOLE! They don't get updated at some later date. That's the
whole point of having one. In the future, Processors and whatnot will get
smaller, and cheaper, and MS or Sony will loose less or maybe even make
money near the end of the consoles life. This is one reason why Sony will
come out with a Slim version of their Console. It's still the same as the
first version to come out Originally Performance/Spec wise. All a Extended
Warranty does is allow you to replace the console if something happens to it
that causes it to no longer work. Do you buy a Computer, or a HDTV, or
anything else and get a Extended Warranty and expect some type of Hardware
Update with it? That's just silly. There's no chips on the motherboard you
can just remove, let alone Replace. Just opening your console up will Void
the Warranty!
New features get added as time goes on though LIVE for more features, or bug
fixes and whatnot though a Software Update and their have been a few already
and a Major software update will happen again in November.
"Dennis" <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> When I bought my son a 360 several months ago, I understood that an
> updated chip would be coming out for it. That's why I got the extended
> warranty ...so I could just swap it out. What's the latest on that?
>
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| Dennis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Not true. Look at the link Kendrick provided:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148098.html
That's exactly what I was talking about.
"JBDragon" <joewald at bigfoot dot com> wrote in message
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quote:
> It's a CONSOLE! They don't get updated at some later date. That's the
> whole point of having one. In the future, Processors and whatnot will get
> smaller, and cheaper, and MS or Sony will loose less or maybe even make
> money near the end of the consoles life. This is one reason why Sony
> will come out with a Slim version of their Console. It's still the same as
> the first version to come out Originally Performance/Spec wise. All a
> Extended Warranty does is allow you to replace the console if something
> happens to it that causes it to no longer work. Do you buy a Computer, or
> a HDTV, or anything else and get a Extended Warranty and expect some type
> of Hardware Update with it? That's just silly. There's no chips on the
> motherboard you can just remove, let alone Replace. Just opening your
> console up will Void the Warranty!
>
> New features get added as time goes on though LIVE for more features, or
> bug fixes and whatnot though a Software Update and their have been a few
> already and a Major software update will happen again in November.
>
>
> "Dennis" <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote in message
> news:-sidncbpQoDhMafYnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
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| Gunslinger 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| But if you notice, Dennis, that the story says absolutely nothing about
upgrading current consoles. It says the Xbox 360 is getting a new chip.
Which means new consoles that are produced. Pretty much any electronics
these days, you get what you bought, and if improvements are made later,
then too bad for you. Should've waited til all the kinks were worked out.
"Dennis" <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Not true. Look at the link Kendrick provided:
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148098.html
> That's exactly what I was talking about.
>
> "JBDragon" <joewald at bigfoot dot com> wrote in message
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| Paul Smith 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| "Gunslinger" <gunslingerfyre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> But if you notice, Dennis, that the story says absolutely nothing about
> upgrading current consoles. It says the Xbox 360 is getting a new chip.
> Which means new consoles that are produced. Pretty much any electronics
> these days, you get what you bought, and if improvements are made later,
> then too bad for you. Should've waited til all the kinks were worked out.
I think the plan is if it fails, he'll be able to get it replaced at the
store with one with the die-shrink. It ultimately depends on how friendly
he is with the staff in the store and if there is a way to tell the
difference by a serial number on the box and if they're available in time.
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| JBDragon 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Again are you NUTS? What did I just post in my message? Processor's and
whatnot get smaller and cheaper!!! Really, did you read that page? The
CPU is going from 90nm in size down to 64nm in size. Did you miss this part?
------------
For laymen, the change means that the new 65mm Xbox 360 CPUs will have more
chips per wafer--which means lower energy requirements, lower heat output,
and cheaper chip production costs. That is music to Microsoft's ears.
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What, are you going to just replace the WHOLE perfectly fine and working
console to a newer one with the smaller CPU? That's different then saying
you want to swap Chips. Still I don't get it. The CPU is the SAME
performance wise. A 360 with this smaller chip will run at the SAME speed
and performance of the older larger chip. I just don't get it. Do you
swap out all your Hardware you buy? Because as time goes on everything its
cheaper to make after a while. I've known about the whole smaller CPU for
a long time. I've seen that and other links of the same thing. Big Deal.
The GPU will ALSO get smaller after a while also sometime in the future.
The Cell processor on the PS3 will ALSO get smaller over time, and same goes
with the GPU. In time as parts are getting smaller and cheaper to make a new
Slim version of the PS3 will come out and yet work just like the very first
PS3 released.
"Dennis" <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Not true. Look at the link Kendrick provided:
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148098.html
> That's exactly what I was talking about.
>
> "JBDragon" <joewald at bigfoot dot com> wrote in message
> news:OrCdndFxFdELZKfYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
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| Dennis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| No I'm not nuts. I wasn't referring to swapping chips I was referring to
swapping the entire unit. That's why I got the extended warranty, on advice
here on this NG. I was told that I could just swap the entire unit for one
with the new chip. I asked about this at Best Buy when I purchased it and
they agreed. They had heard about the new chip coming out sometime at the
end of the year and said that if I had an extended warranty I could just
bring in the old one and get a new one.
To be clear, this is not a big deal. We are perfectly happy with the 360
and it has not given us any problems at all. I'm not even sure if I would
swap it if I could. I was just curious about it.
"JBDragon" <joewald at bigfoot dot com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Again are you NUTS? What did I just post in my message? Processor's and
> whatnot get smaller and cheaper!!! Really, did you read that page? The
> CPU is going from 90nm in size down to 64nm in size. Did you miss this
> part?
> ------------
> For laymen, the change means that the new 65mm Xbox 360 CPUs will have
> more chips per wafer--which means lower energy requirements, lower heat
> output, and cheaper chip production costs. That is music to Microsoft's
> ears.
> ------------
> What, are you going to just replace the WHOLE perfectly fine and working
> console to a newer one with the smaller CPU? That's different then
> saying you want to swap Chips. Still I don't get it. The CPU is the SAME
> performance wise. A 360 with this smaller chip will run at the SAME speed
> and performance of the older larger chip. I just don't get it. Do you
> swap out all your Hardware you buy? Because as time goes on everything
> its cheaper to make after a while. I've known about the whole smaller
> CPU for a long time. I've seen that and other links of the same thing.
> Big Deal. The GPU will ALSO get smaller after a while also sometime in the
> future. The Cell processor on the PS3 will ALSO get smaller over time, and
> same goes with the GPU. In time as parts are getting smaller and cheaper
> to make a new Slim version of the PS3 will come out and yet work just like
> the very first PS3 released.
>
>
>
> "Dennis" <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote in message
> news:oZidnVrzApX6ZqfYnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Paul Smith <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote:
quote:
> "Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
> news:36E60DF8-9A18-4DF3-BCFB-72F42D32ED27@microsoft.com...
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Unless of course your machine breaks down, but even then I don't think they
> can guarantee you'll get a newer machines.
Correct. In fact, if you get your replacement system directly from
Microsoft, there's a very good chance you'll get a refurbished "older"
unit, and not one of the newer models. On the other hand, if you get your
replacement from Best Buy (or wherever you bought it) then you'll get a
new system off the shelf, so it'll depend on what the store has in stock
at that time.
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Dennis <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote:
quote:
> Not true. Look at the link Kendrick provided:
> http://www.gamespot.com/news/6148098.html
> That's exactly what I was talking about.
As others have been saying, this new CPU will not change the functionality
of the 360, nor will it be offered to consumers as an "upgrade" option.
All consoles go through hardware revisions to correct problems from
earlier models, as well as to include lower-cost parts to bring the
manufacturing costs down. This is also why consoles can drop in price as
time goes on.
The only way for you to get this new CPU (whenever it'll be released) will
be if you actually buy a onsole with it, or, if your current console dies
and your warranty replacement happens to be one of the newer models. (but
chances are you'll get the same model.)
The reason many people reccomend the extended warranty wasn't so you could
get the new CPU, but to protect your console since early generations of
consoles tend to quite problem-prone. Just take a look at the Playstation,
Playstation2, and the Xbox. The 360 has been no different with problems
with it over heating or otherwise becoming as functional as a doorstop.
With the extended warranty, you can get a dead console replaced for free.
But whether or not the replacement contains newer hardware or not will be
luck of the draw. Regardless, all versions of the 360 should perform
identically. This new CPU does nothing to increase the performance of the
360. Games won't be affected. The only benefits are that the new CPU
should be cheaper to manufacture, and cooler, which should help alleviate
the heat problems many have reported with their early 360 consoles.
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| Doug Jacobs 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Dennis <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote:
quote:
> No I'm not nuts. I wasn't referring to swapping chips I was referring to
> swapping the entire unit. That's why I got the extended warranty, on advice
> here on this NG. I was told that I could just swap the entire unit for one
> with the new chip. I asked about this at Best Buy when I purchased it and
> they agreed. They had heard about the new chip coming out sometime at the
> end of the year and said that if I had an extended warranty I could just
> bring in the old one and get a new one.
If your 360 dies within the extended warranty, and Best Buy happens to have
the newer model in stock, then yes, you'll get a replacement 360 that has
the newer hardware.
I'm pretty sure Best Buy won't let you exchange a used, but otherwise
working, console for a newer one just because the model number got rev'd.
The other scenario would be a manufacturer recall. But that's a whole
other situation, and if the Xbox is any indication, it'll be years (if
ever) before Microsoft admits there's anything wrong with the 360 that
might harm you or your family.
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| On Oct 24, 2:55 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
quote:
> Meanwhile, Microsoft HAS been releasing software updates for the 360 via
> Live. These updates affect things like the dashboard, the backwards
> compatibility emulator, and more recentally, add 1080p output for movies
> and games. You can get these updates just by logging into the Live
> service. You don't need a subscription.
You also don't need to use Live. You can get the updates on a CD (burn
it yourself even) and install them by just inserting the CD.
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| Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
|
I don't know how Best Buy's plan works, but I believe it's pitched the same
way CompUSA use to pitch theirs, and may still do, if I ever shopped there.
When I last bought a compponent at CompUSA, they had a Zero questions ask
return policy. So I had bought a 4x DVD burner and the girl who pitched the
warranty said, You know in 11 months from now, you can bring this back in,
tells us it's broke and get a store credit for the full amount at which time
you could buy the latest model.
Is that what CompUSA really wanted people to do ? I highly doubt it, but
that's how the deal worked and I know several of my friends took full
advanatge of it and everything they bought. If Best Buy has the same
approach, I can see why someone would consider doing the same thing, Get a
Xbox360 today and go back in 11 months and say it's broke and get the latest
model they have. Maybe get another warranty on it and do it again in 11
months. By then, I'm sure the Xbox 4ever will be out.
Obviously, it's all about the warranty and how it works and how you view
those kind of things (whether it's abusing the system or take advantage of
what you were given)
"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Dennis <Dennis@norespond.net> wrote:
>
> If your 360 dies within the extended warranty, and Best Buy happens to
> have
> the newer model in stock, then yes, you'll get a replacement 360 that has
> the newer hardware.
>
> I'm pretty sure Best Buy won't let you exchange a used, but otherwise
> working, console for a newer one just because the model number got rev'd.
>
> The other scenario would be a manufacturer recall. But that's a whole
> other situation, and if the Xbox is any indication, it'll be years (if
> ever) before Microsoft admits there's anything wrong with the 360 that
> might harm you or your family.
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| Dennis 2006-11-19, 9:51 pm |
| Yes, they told me at Best Buy I could bring it for for any reason, no
questions asked.
"Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <Mad_Murdock@noinsightbb.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> I don't know how Best Buy's plan works, but I believe it's pitched the
> same way CompUSA use to pitch theirs, and may still do, if I ever shopped
> there. When I last bought a compponent at CompUSA, they had a Zero
> questions ask return policy. So I had bought a 4x DVD burner and the girl
> who pitched the warranty said, You know in 11 months from now, you can
> bring this back in, tells us it's broke and get a store credit for the
> full amount at which time you could buy the latest model.
>
> Is that what CompUSA really wanted people to do ? I highly doubt it, but
> that's how the deal worked and I know several of my friends took full
> advanatge of it and everything they bought. If Best Buy has the same
> approach, I can see why someone would consider doing the same thing, Get a
> Xbox360 today and go back in 11 months and say it's broke and get the
> latest model they have. Maybe get another warranty on it and do it again
> in 11 months. By then, I'm sure the Xbox 4ever will be out.
>
> Obviously, it's all about the warranty and how it works and how you view
> those kind of things (whether it's abusing the system or take advantage of
> what you were given)
>
>
> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
> news:12jst4be2q4r9d1@corp.supernews.com...
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