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| wrreisen2@yahoo.com 2006-08-03, 6:14 am |
| Hi,
Is there any version of XBMC planned for the Xbox 360? There's no-one
working on a Beta version or anything? I'm specifically interested in
being to stream video including divx xvid and dvd iso from a Media
Center PC. I'll be using the 360 as an extender to the Media Center PC
for live broadcast TV anyway. I'm in the UK with a UK PAL 360.
Is it an advantage buying the 20Gb hard drive for the 360 if I want to
do this kind of thing or is it a waste of money?
Thanks for any advice.
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| Chris F 2006-08-03, 6:14 am |
| On 13 Jul 2006 02:32:32 -0700, wrreisen2@yahoo.com wrote:
quote:
>Hi,
>
>Is there any version of XBMC planned for the Xbox 360? There's no-one
>working on a Beta version or anything? I'm specifically interested in
>being to stream video including divx xvid and dvd iso from a Media
>Center PC. I'll be using the 360 as an extender to the Media Center PC
>for live broadcast TV anyway. I'm in the UK with a UK PAL 360.
>
>Is it an advantage buying the 20Gb hard drive for the 360 if I want to
>do this kind of thing or is it a waste of money?
>
>Thanks for any advice.
you can sort of do it already, using transcode 360, www.runtime360.com
but that isn't true streaming of the divx.xvid tho, obviously, as it
encodes to wmv on the fly.
i've no idea if the media centre funcions need the hard drive, but i
wouldn't have thought so.
--
gamertag: Chrisflynnuk
http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2006-08-03, 6:14 am |
| In article <1152783152.392675.27810@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
<wrreisen2@yahoo.com> wrote:
quote:
>
>Is there any version of XBMC planned for the Xbox 360? There's no-one
>working on a Beta version or anything? I'm specifically interested in
>being to stream video including divx xvid and dvd iso from a Media
>Center PC. I'll be using the 360 as an extender to the Media Center PC
>for live broadcast TV anyway. I'm in the UK with a UK PAL 360.
Running unsigned or other homebrew code on the 360 is still a dodgy
prospect, as far as I know. However, the existing Media Extender client on
the console has enough holes in it that people have been able to exploit
the PC side in order to get some XBMC-like functions. A couple of people
have been able to get Adobe viewers and 8-bit console emulators to run in
the Media Extender client this way, although technically they're actually
running on the PC and just using the 360 as a display and control unit.
Relevant to your question? One solution has been to do WMV conversion on
the fly. I don't have a link handy, but there was a Media Extender plug-in
for the PC that allowed you to select non-WMV files from the client,
and then it would perform real time conversion of the video into a WMV
with all the right DRM hooks so that the client would see it and display
it properly. This obviously requires a decent PC with some horsepower, as
opposed to the five-year-old box you have running file sharing and DNS in
your house. 
quote:
>Is it an advantage buying the 20Gb hard drive for the 360 if I want to
>do this kind of thing or is it a waste of money?
When an XBMC equivalent does appear for the 360, it will most likely take
advantage of existing storage options. This includes IDE devices driven
off of the USB ports with normal FAT32 partitions. I don't see any
advantage in using the proprietary 360 hard drive for homebrew purposes if
this ends up being the case.
-KKC, hunting for the Sony Linux kit...
--
"These are the good years for Barb and me. We installed a bible - kendrick
detector at the front door. And now when the doorbell rings and - @io.com
the red light flashes, we know we have to sit very quietly and -
wait for them to go away." Catchup Advisory board, A Prairie Home Companion
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| Todd Bowra [MSFT] 2006-08-03, 6:14 am |
| One bit of clarification - Media Center is designed to allow developers to
create third-party applications and experiences that run inside Media Center
and can be remotely displayed on Xbox 360. We've created the Media Center
Extensibility SDK in order to encourage development of these types of
applications, hundreds of which now exist. Additional information regarding
the Extensibility SDK can be found at the below link:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...reditionsdk.asp
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@nospam.io> wrote in message
news:nfGdnRr8bs3ZhCvZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@io.com...
quote:
> In article <1152783152.392675.27810@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> <wrreisen2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Running unsigned or other homebrew code on the 360 is still a dodgy
> prospect, as far as I know. However, the existing Media Extender client on
> the console has enough holes in it that people have been able to exploit
> the PC side in order to get some XBMC-like functions. A couple of people
> have been able to get Adobe viewers and 8-bit console emulators to run in
> the Media Extender client this way, although technically they're actually
> running on the PC and just using the 360 as a display and control unit.
>
> Relevant to your question? One solution has been to do WMV conversion on
> the fly. I don't have a link handy, but there was a Media Extender plug-in
> for the PC that allowed you to select non-WMV files from the client,
> and then it would perform real time conversion of the video into a WMV
> with all the right DRM hooks so that the client would see it and display
> it properly. This obviously requires a decent PC with some horsepower, as
> opposed to the five-year-old box you have running file sharing and DNS in
> your house. 
>
>
> When an XBMC equivalent does appear for the 360, it will most likely take
> advantage of existing storage options. This includes IDE devices driven
> off of the USB ports with normal FAT32 partitions. I don't see any
> advantage in using the proprietary 360 hard drive for homebrew purposes if
> this ends up being the case.
>
> -KKC, hunting for the Sony Linux kit...
> --
> "These are the good years for Barb and me. We installed a bible -
kendrick
quote:
> detector at the front door. And now when the doorbell rings and -
@io.com
quote:
> the red light flashes, we know we have to sit very quietly and -
> wait for them to go away." Catchup Advisory board, A Prairie Home
Companion
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2006-08-03, 6:14 am |
| In article <#DTjyEqpGHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
Todd Bowra [MSFT] <toddbow@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
quote:
>One bit of clarification - Media Center is designed to allow developers to
>create third-party applications and experiences that run inside Media Center
>and can be remotely displayed on Xbox 360. We've created the Media Center
>Extensibility SDK in order to encourage development of these types of
>applications, hundreds of which now exist. Additional information regarding
>the Extensibility SDK can be found at the below link:
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...reditionsdk.asp
Todd, are you talking about the Media Extender? We're specifically
discussing the XBMC project, the GPL hobby project that runs on modified
original Xboxes. Let's see, do I have a link handy?
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/info_project.htm
XBMC is the gold standard for media players on the Xbox, and generally
gets a CVS update every week or so. As a GPL project, it's free to use and
has no prerequisites or server-side requirements.
-KKC, who should really check to see what's new with Nethack as long as
he's bouncing around the Sourceforge pages...
--
"These are the good years for Barb and me. We installed a bible - kendrick
detector at the front door. And now when the doorbell rings and - @io.com
the red light flashes, we know we have to sit very quietly and -
wait for them to go away." Catchup Advisory board, A Prairie Home Companion
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| Paul Smith 2006-08-03, 6:14 am |
| "Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@nospam.io> wrote in message
news:8LWdncqTN48HFCvZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@io.com...
quote:
> Todd, are you talking about the Media Extender?
He is, he was addressing your comment about "holes" in the Media Center
Extender. Which are not holes, which are there by design and have always
been there with extenders long before the Xbox 360, Microsoft want
developers to use those features to get better value out of extenders.
If that's a web browser, or more media functions then that's all good.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
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| XBMC_Man 2006-08-28, 11:39 pm |
| As part of the XBMC Team, let me comment here.
Microsoft talk about the digital media experience. They talk about maanged
copy and support HD-DVD. They talk about streaming around your house.
However, I see this as a vision "the Microsoft way", rather than the
extensible, open and truly "useful" way.
I have a 360. I can't do video on the 360 using Microsoft XP. Major flaw
number one.
Major flaw number two : If I want to stream media, I have to "upgrade" to
MCE OEM, which being OEM, I can't buy unless I buy more hardware I don't
need. Talk about being forced into piracy. And yes, there is hundreds who are
running ripped off MCE sessions in VMWARE under Windows XP. Have a look at
your customers Microsoft, look at the dedication they are showing to use the
products in the way they want too..........
Major flaw three : By the time someone has managed to otherwise obtain MCE,
or did what I have done which is test the Vista beta, the Microsoft way
becomes quickly apparent that it's WMV / VC-1 or it's the highway. Sure they
support the crappy old mpeg1/2, but forget about mpeg4-asp. Forget about
Matroska container support. Forget about AVC / H.264. Audio is the same. No
losless flac support, no ogg. They say you can play DVDs, but forget about
streaming a ripped dvd over onto your XBOX, or indeed an ISO DVD.
It's limited, it's difficult and it just plain fails to meet the mark.
People want to be able to stream DVDs. People want to be able to stream media
around their house regardless of if it's a matroska container with AVC
encoded video footage and low complexity AAC audio.
A bunch of enthusiasts has written XBMC using a variety of open source
projects and custom code with nothing more than some vision and collaboration
on IRC. Microsoft for all it's people and all it's power just seem to wallow
around with crappy solutions. Yeah I'm a fan of Microsoft and I think they
have done much for the industry but the truth has to be told.
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| Mihai N. 2006-08-29, 5:44 am |
|
quote:
> As part of the XBMC Team, let me comment here.
....
quote:
> Yeah I'm a fan of Microsoft and I think they
> have done much for the industry but the truth has to be told.
100% true. XBMC on my old XBox is 10 times more useful than the
"new media experience" on the XBox 360.
Yes, I have both, but I am still waiting to get my money worth
for the 360.
--
Mihai Nita [Microsoft MVP, Windows - SDK]
http://www.mihai-nita.net
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| Jason Miller 2006-10-06, 7:50 pm |
| Here Here, Totally agree with everything you said! The only reason now i'm
forced to use the MCE functionality over my original xbox with XBMC is
because of the High Definition. The original Xbox just doesnt have the
power.
Whats so hard about giving us divx/xvid support, h.264 or a Matroska
contrainer? Whats so hard about letting me stream the files from my XP
machine over a SMB share? Why cant you give your users what they actually
ask for, instead of forcing them to use these rediculous methods that you
guys deem to be the appropriate way. We are the customers! Give us what we
want, dont tell us!
Jason
"XBMC_Man" <XBMC_Man@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C841B21-7FBB-4782-81B1-4703309EB26F@microsoft.com...
quote:
> As part of the XBMC Team, let me comment here.
>
> Microsoft talk about the digital media experience. They talk about maanged
> copy and support HD-DVD. They talk about streaming around your house.
> However, I see this as a vision "the Microsoft way", rather than the
> extensible, open and truly "useful" way.
>
> I have a 360. I can't do video on the 360 using Microsoft XP. Major flaw
> number one.
>
> Major flaw number two : If I want to stream media, I have to "upgrade" to
> MCE OEM, which being OEM, I can't buy unless I buy more hardware I don't
> need. Talk about being forced into piracy. And yes, there is hundreds who
> are
> running ripped off MCE sessions in VMWARE under Windows XP. Have a look at
> your customers Microsoft, look at the dedication they are showing to use
> the
> products in the way they want too..........
>
> Major flaw three : By the time someone has managed to otherwise obtain
> MCE,
> or did what I have done which is test the Vista beta, the Microsoft way
> becomes quickly apparent that it's WMV / VC-1 or it's the highway. Sure
> they
> support the crappy old mpeg1/2, but forget about mpeg4-asp. Forget about
> Matroska container support. Forget about AVC / H.264. Audio is the same.
> No
> losless flac support, no ogg. They say you can play DVDs, but forget about
> streaming a ripped dvd over onto your XBOX, or indeed an ISO DVD.
>
> It's limited, it's difficult and it just plain fails to meet the mark.
> People want to be able to stream DVDs. People want to be able to stream
> media
> around their house regardless of if it's a matroska container with AVC
> encoded video footage and low complexity AAC audio.
>
> A bunch of enthusiasts has written XBMC using a variety of open source
> projects and custom code with nothing more than some vision and
> collaboration
> on IRC. Microsoft for all it's people and all it's power just seem to
> wallow
> around with crappy solutions. Yeah I'm a fan of Microsoft and I think they
> have done much for the industry but the truth has to be told.
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