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360 and the missing HDD
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| I'm pretty bored with the talk of "two tier" console because some 360s lack
the hdd. "You can't play all the games with out one!", yeah, but I can't
play all the games on a pc either. I can't play Doom 3 without huge amount
of mem and fast cpu + gpu. Does that mean pc is two (or three) tier
experience.
You can't play any EyeToy games on PS2 without extra stuff. I guess that
makes it also a two tier console. You couldn't enjoy all the features on
original XBox without Live, what does that mean?
Simply put "Requires HDD" on game boxes, what's the big deal? I'm gonna get
the premium version, I'm gonna recommend it to all my friends also. So
what's the big deal? Saying that game makers will make worse games because
there might not be a hdd is like saying that Id / Valve won't make Doom 4 /
Half-Life3 any good because everyone doesn't have a >3GHz cpu + 2 gigs of
mem...without a hdd, you loose some features. Or maybe even some games all
togehter. Well, you get what you pay for.
A bit like with linux, you pay for nothing, and you get nothing.
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| Mark E. Smith 2005-08-31, 12:33 am |
| Or, in the case of Xbox you pay a lot and you get a race car without wheels.
Thanks M$...great move in taking us all down a notch!
"msgs" <mikael.sillman@ppPOISTA.inet.fi> wrote in message
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> A bit like with linux, you pay for nothing, and you get nothing.
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| Pay a lot...? 360 seems to be a _lot of power_ for very little money. The
GPU alone is one generation beyond ATIs R520, which isn't even out yet! And
it's pretty clear that it's gonna cost 400-500$. For less money you get 360
which has a faster GPU, 3 core cpu, 512MB memory, HDD etc etc.
It's more like a getting a monster race car for the price of Yugo, and still
some people are complaining that they don't like the rims...
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| Mark E. Smith 2005-08-31, 3:34 am |
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> It's more like a getting a monster race car for the price of Yugo, and
> still
> some people are complaining that they don't like the rims...
Rims with no rubber ain't going nowhere =).
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| a_noether_theorem@yahoo.com 2005-08-31, 8:33 pm |
| > I'm pretty bored with the talk of "two tier" console because some 360s
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> lack the hdd.
Then why are you starting a thread on it, Genius?
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>I can't play Doom 3 without huge amount of mem and fast cpu + gpu.
> Does that mean pc is two (or three) tier experience.
Yes, and this is exactly what many console users are trying to avoid.
Hence the complaints about the missing HD.
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> You can't play any EyeToy games on PS2 without extra stuff. I guess that
> makes it also a two tier console.
Not really, as only a small number of games make use of it. This is
why the existence of an add-on HD for the PS2 didn't make it a two-tier
console either.
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> You couldn't enjoy all the features on original XBox without Live, what does
> that mean?
Finally a valid point. Yes, it is a two-tiered experience, but
maintaining a network requires a lot of money. Paying for it by the
month/year is a necessary evil, but the HD wasn't something that you
need to consistently pay to maintain. This is why people have a valid
gripe about the missing drive.
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> Simply put "Requires HDD" on game boxes, what's the big deal?
Because, like I wrote, people do not want multiple tiers of gameplay
quality. Keep reading for a better explanation.
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> So what's the big deal? Saying that game makers will make worse games
> because there might not be a hdd is like saying
[sigh.... utterly bogus line of reasoning snipped.]
The big deal is that developers won't use it to its full capacity if
it's not included in all the machines, because they don't want to limit
their audience. There's a lot more you can do with a hard drive than
just improve load times or rip MP3s to make your own custom
soundtracks.
A somewhat far-fetched example is the following: imagine some consoles
came with only 4 buttons on the controller and some came with 10.
How many games do you know of that use more than 4 buttons?
Some developers would make custom control schemes for those with the
delux controllers, but many would just make simpler games that would
work on the 4-button controllers, limiting the types of games you could
play.
Clear enough for you?
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| >> You can't play any EyeToy games on PS2 without extra stuff. I guess that
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> Not really, as only a small number of games make use of it. This is
> why the existence of an add-on HD for the PS2 didn't make it a two-tier
> console either.
-So far only a very small number of games have been said to be affected by
the missing hdd, so -> not a two tier?
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> Finally a valid point. Yes, it is a two-tiered experience, but
> maintaining a network requires a lot of money. Paying for it by the
> month/year is a necessary evil, but the HD wasn't something that you
> need to consistently pay to maintain. This is why people have a valid
> gripe about the missing drive.
-But it's not missing, you can buy it? This is a lose-lose situation. Had MS
had only one version of 360 (the 399 version) people would have griped about
the price, and "I don't need a hdd, why aren't there two versions
available...?"
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> Because, like I wrote, people do not want multiple tiers of gameplay
> quality. Keep reading for a better explanation.
-They already have it anyway. Some people have Live, some don't. Some have
more than one console, some don't. Some have DD5.1, some don't. Some have
HDTV, some don't...
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> The big deal is that developers won't use it to its full capacity if
> it's not included in all the machines, because they don't want to limit
> their audience. There's a lot more you can do with a hard drive than
> just improve load times or rip MP3s to make your own custom
> soundtracks.
-So you are saying since there are some people with PCs without DX9 gpu and
+3GHz cpu that no developer is gonna make a game that takes advantage of
that? Cause remember, they "don't want to limit their audience". As noted
before, some people have only one controller and no Live, I guess your
reasoning means will never see anything else but single player games with no
DD5.1 for 360?
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> Clear enough for you?
-No, since your reasoning is flawed (as proven by the examples given above).
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