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| DangerMouse 2005-08-11, 8:35 pm |
| Can anyone tell me if the Xbox works okay when displaying its output ona
flatpanel LCD TV?
Thanks.
Steve
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| Chris H. 2005-08-11, 8:35 pm |
| Yes. Look for a model which supports HDTV, DVI, etc.
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Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
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> Can anyone tell me if the Xbox works okay when displaying its output ona
> flatpanel LCD TV?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
>
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| Paul Smith 2005-08-11, 8:35 pm |
| "DangerMouse" <steven.crook-dawkins@nospambaesystems.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone tell me if the Xbox works okay when displaying its output ona
> flatpanel LCD TV?
If you're looking on getting an Xbox 360, get one with a native resolution
of 1280x720 and with at least component inputs.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
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| DangerMouse 2005-08-12, 7:08 am |
| Thanks.
It would really help if you could explain that in more depth. HDTV makes a
TV very expensive here in the UK and cuts down your choice dramtically. At
the moment, I'm looking at 26" widescreen LCDs with SCART connections and
1280x760 resolution.
Now - I'd assumed that would do the job, but if there specific additional
things I should look for, (DVI..?) I'd be grateful for a little more info...
Thanks in advance,
Steve
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> Yes. Look for a model which supports HDTV, DVI, etc.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
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| Paul Smith 2005-08-12, 8:33 pm |
| "DangerMouse" <steven.crook-dawkins@nospambaesystems.com> wrote in message
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> It would really help if you could explain that in more depth. HDTV makes a
> TV very expensive here in the UK and cuts down your choice dramtically. At
> the moment, I'm looking at 26" widescreen LCDs with SCART connections and
> 1280x760 resolution.
>
> Now - I'd assumed that would do the job, but if there specific additional
> things I should look for, (DVI..?) I'd be grateful for a little more
> info...
OK... The Xbox can display fine on any LCD TV, just make sure it's got
either scart or component inputs, you may have to look around for Xbox
component leads as only 3rd parties make them in the UK.
On HDTV.
Scart can't deliver an HD signal, the Xbox (and 360) sends a HD signal with
component leads, so make sure it's got that. DVI is a bonus, but in a few
years time will probably be irrelevant unless you're planning on using your
TV as a computer monitor (and not all TVs can display DVI signals from
computers anyway).
The huge hurdle on the horizon which is going to sting so many people is the
amount of copy-protection junk on the next generation DVDs. Which could
quite easily render your HDTV absolutely useless when displaying content
from HD discs.
Sony's Blu-ray format is the worst offender in this area (that's a
guaranteed you'll need "special" inputs case), and HD-DVD is far from
perfect. Basically these formats are probably going to need "special"
hardware in the form of an HDCP socket (it's basically DVI - only crawling
with copy protection), other wise the content will not play at all, or will
simply look bad, at the moment these add quite a lot to the cost of a TV.
Basically at the moment we have no way of knowing if any HDTV is going to be
able to play Blu-ray or even HD-DVD. There's nothing stopping them changing
the HDCP spec or anything like that.
HOWEVER. Unless you've got a non-European Xbox or are planning on getting
the Xbox 360. An HDTV will be absolutely no value to you what-so-ever at
the moment. As the European Xbox had HD cut out of it and there is
virtually no HD content available in the UK at the moment.
It could well work out cheaper to get a regular LCD panel, wait until we
know for sure what these upcoming formats will require, or until you get the
Xbox 360 then buy one.
PS If you're buying an LCD or Plasma screen, make sure you actually demo the
set you want in store first, the image quality can be quite a bit lacking
from a decent CRT, so if you've been used to a high-end well tuned CRT it
may come as quite a bit of a shock at least innitially.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
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| DangerMouse 2005-08-15, 6:32 am |
| That's great. Thanks for taking the time. Many thanks.
I'll take your advice and head for a good quality LCD panel, but I won't get
hung up on HDTV for the moment.
Steve
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> OK... The Xbox can display fine on any LCD TV, just make sure it's got
> either scart or component inputs, you may have to look around for Xbox
> component leads as only 3rd parties make them in the UK.
>
> On HDTV.
>
> Scart can't deliver an HD signal, the Xbox (and 360) sends a HD signal
with
quote:
> component leads, so make sure it's got that. DVI is a bonus, but in a few
> years time will probably be irrelevant unless you're planning on using
your
quote:
> TV as a computer monitor (and not all TVs can display DVI signals from
> computers anyway).
>
> The huge hurdle on the horizon which is going to sting so many people is
the
quote:
> amount of copy-protection junk on the next generation DVDs. Which could
> quite easily render your HDTV absolutely useless when displaying content
> from HD discs.
>
> Sony's Blu-ray format is the worst offender in this area (that's a
> guaranteed you'll need "special" inputs case), and HD-DVD is far from
> perfect. Basically these formats are probably going to need "special"
> hardware in the form of an HDCP socket (it's basically DVI - only crawling
> with copy protection), other wise the content will not play at all, or
will
quote:
> simply look bad, at the moment these add quite a lot to the cost of a TV.
>
> Basically at the moment we have no way of knowing if any HDTV is going to
be
quote:
> able to play Blu-ray or even HD-DVD. There's nothing stopping them
changing
quote:
> the HDCP spec or anything like that.
>
> HOWEVER. Unless you've got a non-European Xbox or are planning on getting
> the Xbox 360. An HDTV will be absolutely no value to you what-so-ever at
> the moment. As the European Xbox had HD cut out of it and there is
> virtually no HD content available in the UK at the moment.
>
> It could well work out cheaper to get a regular LCD panel, wait until we
> know for sure what these upcoming formats will require, or until you get
the
quote:
> Xbox 360 then buy one.
>
> PS If you're buying an LCD or Plasma screen, make sure you actually demo
the
quote:
> set you want in store first, the image quality can be quite a bit lacking
> from a decent CRT, so if you've been used to a high-end well tuned CRT it
> may come as quite a bit of a shock at least innitially.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
>
>
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| Cindy Lee 2005-08-23, 8:35 pm |
| Plasmas look a lot better than LCDs in dark games.
Most games have very dark colors, especially 1st person shooters. I have an
LCD, but will buy a plasma when 360 comes out.
For movies and TV and like LCD better though.
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> That's great. Thanks for taking the time. Many thanks.
>
> I'll take your advice and head for a good quality LCD panel, but I won't
get
quote:
> hung up on HDTV for the moment.
>
> Steve
>
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| Plasmas are prone to phosphors that are unevenly aged, more commonly known
as "Static Image Burn In." This can happen with CRT sets as well. In any
event, people have reported issues with the news stream on the cable news
channels causing this issue as well as the logo now perpetually displayed by
most channels. There have also been complaints with regard to the bars at
the top and bottom of a letterboxed image and or displayed at the sides when
a standard image is displayed on a 16:9 set as causing this burn in issue as
well.
NOTE, even if you purchase a 16:9 set, it won't entirely eliminate such bars
as various widescreen processes will still have bars at the top and bottom
of the image.
The problem with "burn in" can also be an issue with playing games as a part
of what is being displayed on screen is a static image. There have also
been complaints about ghosting as well as the sets losing brightness as they
age.
There are some newer technologies being employed on some of the newer more
expensive plasmas to deal with burn in but they haven't been around long
enough for a determination as to whether or not they work.
There's no burn in issue with LCDs and as long as you purchase one with a
fast enough response time, 16ns or better, you should have no problems with
ghosting. With regard to darkness of some games, this is most noticeable
when playing the game in HD. You can do a few things to get around this.
One, you can play the game using the S-video connection or you can try
adjusting the contrast and brightness of the set. You might also consider
investing in one of the display configuration disks. They are primarily
designed to get optimum results from movie DVDs but such a disk might also
improve the contrast and brightness issues with your games as well.
--
Nomad
"Cindy Lee" <cindylee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Plasmas look a lot better than LCDs in dark games.
> Most games have very dark colors, especially 1st person shooters. I have
> an
> LCD, but will buy a plasma when 360 comes out.
>
> For movies and TV and like LCD better though.
>
>
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"nomad" <user@#noname.com> wrote in message
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> Plasmas are prone to phosphors that are unevenly aged, more
> commonly known as "Static Image Burn In." This can happen with
> CRT sets as well. In any event, people have reported issues with
> the news stream on the cable news channels causing this issue as
> well as the logo now perpetually displayed by
Very interesting post. For Christmas I'm buying the Xbox360 and a
LCD TV. Around 26" screen. Could you recommend a specific TV and
Brand number?
Thanks Bob.
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| Hi Bob:
I'm currently using a Sceptre X30sv-Naga III 30" that I purchased from
TigerDirect, www.tigerdirect.com a little over a year ago. I don't believe
it is any longer available through them. However, you can still find it
through Sceptre's website, www.sceptre.com. It had a number of options I
was seeking including a 16ms response time and a variety of input options.
People often forget that aspect in favor of the basic specs. The specs are
important but if you have a DVD player, a game console, a cable box, etc.
you need a variety of inputs. This model not only has two component input
selections but also a DVI-D input and a variety of other inputs as well.
While your success with the DVI-D will vary based on the requirements of
your cable company and the compatibility of your cable box, it can also be
used to connect to a computer if you so desire. It should be noted, the
DVI-D connection for TV only works on HDTV at 720p and that's as designed.
Here's a link to the specs on that set and it can probably be had today for
considerably less than I paid a year ago:
http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD...0SV-NagaIII.htm
I'm quite happy with the set but I offer the above not so much as a
recommendation but rather as a comparison guide. It gives you an idea of
what options are available and a lot of much cheaper sets will not have a
lot of the options mentioned.
I had one minor problem with this unit and it was my own fault caused by a
static discharge when I turned the unit on. This caused the power unit that
powers the set on and off to apparently die. Sceptre was very good about
it. I called their tech support, they sent me a claim form immediately
which I think you can also download from their website, within about 4 days
of my mailing it I heard from a technician who diagnosed the issue over the
phone and told me this simply involved swapping out one power unit for
another, told me I could do it myself rather than bringing it in and he said
he'd send it to me. I agreed, it arrived a few days later, the procedure
was very simple and their directions quite clear and no trouble with it
since. I also now make a habit of only using the remote control to turn the
set on and off!:-) Not the most responsive remote in the world but it will
do.
Ordinarily, it's best to look at a set's picture before buying. If you are
doing comparison shopping over the Internet, one of the things you can do is
check the brand and model at a local retailer assuming it is also sold
through normal retail channels and then do your shopping for the best price
over the net.
Beyond that, I'd tend to stay away from off-brands unless the sales outlet
has a very good return and warranty policy. Once you think you know the
brand and the model, check for product reviews and also check for user
reviews. If there's something that is a common problem with the model and
brand, you tend to see the complaint show up in multiple user reviews. You
can check www.epinions.com, CNET, www.cnet.com also does reviews on a
variety of products and has user reviews as well and you can check for other
review sources on Google.
Good luck.
--
Nomad
"Bob" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> "nomad" <user@#noname.com> wrote in message
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>
> Very interesting post. For Christmas I'm buying the Xbox360 and a LCD TV.
> Around 26" screen. Could you recommend a specific TV and Brand number?
>
> Thanks
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| Ollie T 2005-09-12, 12:32 am |
|
"nomad" <user@#noname.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Hi Bob:
>
> I'm currently using a Sceptre X30sv-Naga III 30" that I purchased from
> TigerDirect, www.tigerdirect.com a little over a year ago. I don't
> believe it is any longer available through them. However, you can still
> find it through Sceptre's website, www.sceptre.com. It had a number of
> options I was seeking including a 16ms response time and a variety of
> input options. People often forget that aspect in favor of the basic
> specs. The specs are important but if you have a DVD player, a game
> console, a cable box, etc. you need a variety of inputs. This model not
> only has two component input selections but also a DVI-D input and a
> variety of other inputs as well. While your success with the DVI-D will
> vary based on the requirements of your cable company and the compatibility
> of your cable box, it can also be used to connect to a computer if you so
> desire. It should be noted, the DVI-D connection for TV only works on
> HDTV at 720p and that's as designed. Here's a link to the specs on that
> set and it can probably be had today for considerably less than I paid a
> year ago:
> http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD...0SV-NagaIII.htm
>
> I'm quite happy with the set but I offer the above not so much as a
> recommendation but rather as a comparison guide. It gives you an idea of
> what options are available and a lot of much cheaper sets will not have a
> lot of the options mentioned.
>
> I had one minor problem with this unit and it was my own fault caused by a
> static discharge when I turned the unit on. This caused the power unit
> that powers the set on and off to apparently die. Sceptre was very good
> about it. I called their tech support, they sent me a claim form
> immediately which I think you can also download from their website, within
> about 4 days of my mailing it I heard from a technician who diagnosed the
> issue over the phone and told me this simply involved swapping out one
> power unit for another, told me I could do it myself rather than bringing
> it in and he said he'd send it to me. I agreed, it arrived a few days
> later, the procedure was very simple and their directions quite clear and
> no trouble with it since. I also now make a habit of only using the
> remote control to turn the set on and off!:-) Not the most responsive
> remote in the world but it will do.
>
> Ordinarily, it's best to look at a set's picture before buying. If you
> are doing comparison shopping over the Internet, one of the things you can
> do is check the brand and model at a local retailer assuming it is also
> sold through normal retail channels and then do your shopping for the best
> price over the net.
>
> Beyond that, I'd tend to stay away from off-brands unless the sales outlet
> has a very good return and warranty policy. Once you think you know the
> brand and the model, check for product reviews and also check for user
> reviews. If there's something that is a common problem with the model and
> brand, you tend to see the complaint show up in multiple user reviews.
> You can check www.epinions.com, CNET, www.cnet.com also does reviews on a
> variety of products and has user reviews as well and you can check for
> other review sources on Google.
>
> Good luck.
Don't forget to also drop by www.hdtvarcade.com Plenty of good advice on
sets in the forums there also.
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| Agreed, excellent site.
--
Nomad
"Ollie T" <hello@hello.com> wrote in message
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> "nomad" <user@#noname.com> wrote in message
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> Don't forget to also drop by www.hdtvarcade.com Plenty of good advice on
> sets in the forums there also.
>
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| Cindy Lee 2005-09-12, 8:33 pm |
| Plasmas are so much better for video games. I have a projector and a 22in
LCD widescreen.
Even looking at the electronics store. Darks are so much better on plasma.
Most video games are dark, unless you play kiddie games.
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| nomad 2005-09-13, 12:34 am |
| In the store, most have them set up for the most ideal of conditions not
often duplicated in the home. Plasmas can lose as much as 50% of their
brightness after 2 or 3 years. Their rated life is usually based on a
setting of half brightness. If money is no object, by all means, go for a
Plasma, its initial brightness and outstanding contrast will usually be far
better than anything else.
But, if you're figuring a 5 year lifespan and don't have the money to
replace such an expensive set in a few years, it might be better if the user
considered other options. Even if the set does last that long, isn't this a
rather large investment for a technology that is noteworthy for losing it's
luster (picture brightness and sharpness) after what might be only a few
years?
--
Nomad
"Cindy Lee" <cindylee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Plasmas are so much better for video games. I have a projector and a 22in
> LCD widescreen.
> Even looking at the electronics store. Darks are so much better on
> plasma.
> Most video games are dark, unless you play kiddie games.
>
>
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| Scheduled recordning 2005-09-21, 6:36 am |
| I bought a LG RZ32XX50 1 week ago and I thought that i could use it with XBOX.
Ohh no its really dark, first try NHL2006 and i didnt see the differense
between blue and red, maybee a litle differens but not much. Second try San
Andreas the dark episode I cant play to dark.
I also tried Movies etc etc but its not good.
Does anyone else use LCD with XBOX?
What brand?
"nomad" wrote:
quote:
> In the store, most have them set up for the most ideal of conditions not
> often duplicated in the home. Plasmas can lose as much as 50% of their
> brightness after 2 or 3 years. Their rated life is usually based on a
> setting of half brightness. If money is no object, by all means, go for a
> Plasma, its initial brightness and outstanding contrast will usually be far
> better than anything else.
>
> But, if you're figuring a 5 year lifespan and don't have the money to
> replace such an expensive set in a few years, it might be better if the user
> considered other options. Even if the set does last that long, isn't this a
> rather large investment for a technology that is noteworthy for losing it's
> luster (picture brightness and sharpness) after what might be only a few
> years?
>
> --
> Nomad
> "Cindy Lee" <cindylee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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| Cindy Lee 2005-09-22, 12:32 am |
| Must be something wrong with your LCD panel then.
If you can't tell the difference between blue and red, your blue or red
connection isn't working. maybe a lose cable. Return your TV, Xbox works
fine on LCDs. To me it just looks a little bit better for shadows on
plasma.
"Scheduled recordning" <Scheduledrecordning@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
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quote:
> I bought a LG RZ32XX50 1 week ago and I thought that i could use it with
XBOX.
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> Ohh no its really dark, first try NHL2006 and i didnt see the differense
> between blue and red, maybee a litle differens but not much. Second try
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>
> I also tried Movies etc etc but its not good.
>
> Does anyone else use LCD with XBOX?
> What brand?
>
>
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