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| http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=1068
a..
a.. Much of the keynote speech was about Carmack's opinions of the next
generation consoles, specifically the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360 (the
Revolution wasn't even mentioned). Carmack said that the original Xbox was
easy to develop for thanks to solid dev tools and the Xbox 360 is the same
way but that the PS3 will allow developers to get closer to the hardware
performance. Carmack admitted that he has been spending some time working on
developing id's next game on the Xbox 360 and said that their next
internally created title will be released for the PC and consoles at or
close to the same time.
a.. Carmack said that Sony is making some noise about having their PS3 be
more of an open enviroment for development for making games much like the PC
is. Carmack does not see Microsoft doing the same thing, however.
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- 3:17: Quake4 Q&A Session over; John Carmack coming out
- 3:25: Simultaneous console release - X360 and PS3 mentioned
- 3:25: PC version may come out before or at same time as console version
- 3:27: Development has been made easier thanks to far fewer vid chips to
develop for
- 3:30: Carmack will buckle down on X360 development for next 6 months or so
- 3:30: PC version will then be checked again to be sure drivers at that
time work fine
- 3:30: Carmack not happy with Microsoft's stance on OpenGL vs. D3D
- 3:34: Carmack warns that technology in next-gen consoles not "as powerful
as it sounds"
- 3:35: In comparison to high-speed AMD/Intel system, X360 runs about half
as fast
- 3:36: Multi-processing isn't easy to work with despite access to powerful
VGA cards
- 3:38: The "return" from multi-processing on future platforms won't be as
glorious as some originally thought
- 3:40: Parallel programming = tough, even on consoles; performance benefit
vs. extra time
- 3:41: Questions use of multi-processors; thinks out-of-order processors
would've been better for this generation; expects next-gen to be better for
parallel processing
- 3:43: Wishes that developers could create Lord of the Rings-quality
graphics in games
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| Mitch@this_is_not_a_real_address.com 2005-08-13, 8:32 pm |
| > Carmack
Carmack: we intend to keep making the same game over and over again
for whatever platform is available at the time.
Yawn.
id is so far from innovative, they shouldn't even be considered
relevant.
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| Velocity Girl 2005-08-13, 8:32 pm |
| Mitch@this_is_not_a_real_address.com wrote:
quote:
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> Carmack: we intend to keep making the same game over and over again
> for whatever platform is available at the time.
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> Yawn.
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> id is so far from innovative, they shouldn't even be considered
> relevant.
I totally agree.
All they do is take Doom and regurgitate it.
Carmack is great and all, but for someone who is supposed to be a genius
at video game programming it was pretty stupid to leave all those files
compressed for Doom 3 killing the performance of the game by 50%.
Way to go fag
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| a_noether_theorem@yahoo.com 2005-08-13, 8:32 pm |
| > a.. Carmack said that Sony is making some noise about having their PS3
quote:
> be more of an open enviroment for development for making games much
> like the PC is. Carmack does not see Microsoft doing the same thing,
> however.
Sounds like an endorsement.
quote:
> 3:35: In comparison to high-speed AMD/Intel system, X360 runs about
> half as fast
Carmack's not known to exaggerate, and there probably aren't any
programmers with better credentials or who more significantly
contributed to the direction of 3D hardware development over the past
10 years, so we can only assume he knows what he's talking about and is
giving the straight dope.
I always expected this generation to be no different from the last --
that is, faster than PCs when they first come out, but quickly
surpassed. If this is true, then they won't even be faster for *any*
time period.
Makes you wonder why they'd spend hundreds of millions developing the
hardware, when they could just slap together off-the-shelf parts.
Worked for MS last time. All they'd have to do this time is secure the
IP so they could source out the chip manufacturing and save themselves
some money.
quote:
> Multi-processing isn't easy to work with despite access to powerful
> VGA cards
I'd like to hear the whole quote, but I'm too lazy. These seem like
largely orthogonal issues.
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| Radeon350@yahoo.com 2005-08-15, 12:32 am |
| yeah but Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 will surpass 99% of PCs for the
next year or so. only the very newest and highest spec'd PCs of late
2005 and 2006 will be able to approach or surpass the new consoles.
all those other PCs from 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 will be
left in the dust by the new consoles. all the low-end to midrange PCs
of 2006 will also be beaten by the new consoles.
the installed base of PCs that can beat Xbox 360 and PS3 in 2006 will
be extremely small, in the tens of thousands, maybe 100,000 worldwide.
compared to the millions of new consoles that will be sold that year
in the U.S. alone.
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| Velocity Girl 2005-08-15, 3:32 am |
| Radeon350@yahoo.com wrote:
quote:
> yeah but Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 will surpass 99% of PCs for the
> next year or so. only the very newest and highest spec'd PCs of late
> 2005 and 2006 will be able to approach or surpass the new consoles.
> all those other PCs from 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 will be
> left in the dust by the new consoles. all the low-end to midrange PCs
> of 2006 will also be beaten by the new consoles.
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> the installed base of PCs that can beat Xbox 360 and PS3 in 2006 will
> be extremely small, in the tens of thousands, maybe 100,000 worldwide.
> compared to the millions of new consoles that will be sold that year
> in the U.S. alone.
>
Until PC manufacturers start making computers that can run 7 processors
on one motherboard at 3.2GHz each PC's won't be catching up to the PS3.
As for the Xbox, it's only using 3 cores so by the time the new AMD 4
core processors are out it will be old tech.
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| Andrew Ryan Chang 2005-08-15, 6:32 am |
| Velocity Girl <BuyMySkatePark@msn.com> wrote:
quote:
>Until PC manufacturers start making computers that can run 7 processors
>on one motherboard at 3.2GHz each PC's won't be catching up to the PS3.
Every time you equate the CELL SPEs to general-purpose CPUs you
only embarrass yourself.
--
The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you
from the truth.
-- Morpheus, MATRIX (1999)
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