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| Robert Moir 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| I see no sign of either the PS3 or the XBOX360 doing TIVO type
functionality. Maybe its just me that feels this way but that feels like a
big omission to me. We've been told that both these things are lifestyle
devices, not just simply toys, yet we're missing the one true innovation in
TV viewing that people have already... Seems odd to me to do so much and
fall down at this last step.
I don't want a simple "games machine"; I'm not a kid, I'm an adult. I want
to reduce the amount of electronic boxes sitting around my house, I want to
watch my DVDs, I want to play the *occasional* game, I want to pull down
multimedia from my computer network and put it on my TV, and I want TIVO
type functionality.
Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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| Paul Smith 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I see no sign of either the PS3 or the XBOX360 doing TIVO type
>functionality. Maybe its just me that feels this way but that feels like a
>big omission to me. We've been told that both these things are lifestyle
>devices, not just simply toys, yet we're missing the one true innovation in
>TV viewing that people have already... Seems odd to me to do so much and
>fall down at this last step.
You could get a Media Center PC, shove it on a cupboard somewhere, and then
use the extender on the Xbox 360 to control it.
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| Chris H. 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| As Paul has said, the Media Center Edition computers will do exactly what
you're talking about. Even right now, with the Extender kit for the current
Xbox, I do that from my MCE machine. The Xbox 360 promises more
functionality beyond what is currently available, too. Right now, one needs
the Extender adapter (and you need to insert the Extender DVD, too) where
the Xbox 360 will have the functionality of controlling your Media Center
Edition functions with the remote control. Keep in mind, you do not control
the Windows XP Pro operating system through the Xbox (you don't now, and
won't on the new one), but everything available via the MCE superset will
work just fine.
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"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I see no sign of either the PS3 or the XBOX360 doing TIVO type
>functionality. Maybe its just me that feels this way but that feels like a
>big omission to me. We've been told that both these things are lifestyle
>devices, not just simply toys, yet we're missing the one true innovation in
>TV viewing that people have already... Seems odd to me to do so much and
>fall down at this last step.
>
> I don't want a simple "games machine"; I'm not a kid, I'm an adult. I want
> to reduce the amount of electronic boxes sitting around my house, I want
> to watch my DVDs, I want to play the *occasional* game, I want to pull
> down multimedia from my computer network and put it on my TV, and I want
> TIVO type functionality.
>
> Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
>
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> Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
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| Licantrop0 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| Paul Smith ha scritto:
quote:
> You could get a Media Center PC, shove it on a cupboard somewhere,
> and then use the extender on the Xbox 360 to control it.
why you MUST use a Media Center PC, and not a common WinXP
to stream audio/video to xbox360?
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| Chris H. wrote:
quote:
> As Paul has said, the Media Center Edition computers will do exactly
> what you're talking about.
Yep, got two of those already thanks. Thats why I think having the
functionality missing from the xbox 360 (and indeed the PS3) is so strange;
not like we're breaking new ground here is it?
I don't want a PC AND an xbox 360 in my front room, or some hybrid
arrangement with odd things hidden in cupboards. I know I _can_ do all that,
my point is that i shouldn't have to.
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"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I see no sign of either the PS3 or the XBOX360 doing TIVO type
>functionality. Maybe its just me that feels this way but that feels like a
>big omission to me. We've been told that both these things are lifestyle
>devices, not just simply toys, yet we're missing the one true innovation in
>TV viewing that people have already... Seems odd to me to do so much and
>fall down at this last step.
>
> I don't want a simple "games machine"; I'm not a kid, I'm an adult. I want
> to reduce the amount of electronic boxes sitting around my house, I want
> to watch my DVDs, I want to play the *occasional* game, I want to pull
> down multimedia from my computer network and put it on my TV, and I want
> TIVO type functionality.
>
> Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
>
Quick question- what happens when you want to play xbox at the same time a
show you want to watch is being recorded? The best scenario is that you
record a show while you want to play, something not quite possible with a
reasonably priced all in one unit.
I find this timing happening often, which is why I have the computer rip the
shows (and stream them to any laptop/wireless PDA later if so desired.
Extremely convenient.).
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| xTenn wrote:
quote:
> Quick question- what happens when you want to play xbox at the same
> time a show you want to watch is being recorded? The best scenario
> is that you record a show while you want to play, something not quite
> possible with a reasonably priced all in one unit.
>
> I find this timing happening often, which is why I have the computer
> rip the shows (and stream them to any laptop/wireless PDA later if so
> desired. Extremely convenient.).
Fair point, I'd not have that problem myself but it certainly could happen.
Hmmm. I'd actually be happy to have the TIVO functionality as a "pay for"
extra - so it could have the ability to cope with that question perhaps,
while not forcing people who ain't interested to pay for something they
don't want.
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> Fair point, I'd not have that problem myself but it certainly could
> happen. Hmmm. I'd actually be happy to have the TIVO functionality as a
> "pay for" extra - so it could have the ability to cope with that question
> perhaps, while not forcing people who ain't interested to pay for
> something they don't want.
Fair Answer. 
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| Paul Smith 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| "Licantrop0" <x@y.z> wrote in message
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> why you MUST use a Media Center PC, and not a common WinXP
> to stream audio/video to xbox360?
You can stream media from a normal Windows XP box, using Windows Media
Connect. But to have Tivo functionality you'll obviously need a Media
Center.
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| Chris H. 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| You don't need both in the same location. My Xbox happens to reside in the
living room, and my MCE machine in my computer room, probably 30 feet away.
They connect wirelessly. Currently, the MN-740 wireless adapter only does
802.11g (54) so it is "okay" for streaming, however in the next few months
I'm going to 802.11a for a better signal. The base station (to which the
MCE is hard-wired) does b/g/a and I'm going to segment off the b/g machines
to an access point to leave the Extenders free on 802.11a.
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"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Chris H. wrote:
>
> Yep, got two of those already thanks. Thats why I think having the
> functionality missing from the xbox 360 (and indeed the PS3) is so
> strange; not like we're breaking new ground here is it?
>
> I don't want a PC AND an xbox 360 in my front room, or some hybrid
> arrangement with odd things hidden in cupboards. I know I _can_ do all
> that, my point is that i shouldn't have to.
>
>
> --
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> Rob Moir
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"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You don't need both in the same location. My Xbox happens to reside in
> the living room, and my MCE machine in my computer room, probably 30 feet
> away. They connect wirelessly. Currently, the MN-740 wireless adapter
> only does 802.11g (54) so it is "okay" for streaming, however in the next
> few months I'm going to 802.11a for a better signal. The base station (to
> which the MCE is hard-wired) does b/g/a and I'm going to segment off the
> b/g machines to an access point to leave the Extenders free on 802.11a.
You might want to reconsider going to A for a better signal - G and Super G
has better range, AND higher bandwidth (well, super g, anyways).
If I was going to go beyond 802.11g I would go with Multiport Wireless,
something we all will be doing in a few years. Otherwise it would seem a
bad investment (in 802,11A, that is).
..02, FWIW
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| Jeff Daly 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| I'm in full agreement with you on this one.
I have a Media Center PC in my bedroom and I currently use the XBox extender
(on a wireless G network) to watch recordings there. It is certainly not a
flawless situation as I frequently get "network congestion" messages. I
can't believe the XBox doesn't cache the streaming to try and equalize
variable connectivity issues. That is another topic though.
I think the first device that does add DVR capability will dominate the
living room. I don't want to have to 'stream' anymore...I don't want
another Media Center...I don't want to stretch a cable to overcome the
shortcomings of wireless. I want a 'next generation' machine to include DVR
as a standard or at least as an option.
Another reason this would be great is that we only have one cable box in the
living room. Since the MCE is in the bedroom, we can only record the basic
cable stations. If the XBox had DVR capability, we could record those
digital cable channels.
Jeff
"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I see no sign of either the PS3 or the XBOX360 doing TIVO type
>functionality. Maybe its just me that feels this way but that feels like a
>big omission to me. We've been told that both these things are lifestyle
>devices, not just simply toys, yet we're missing the one true innovation in
>TV viewing that people have already... Seems odd to me to do so much and
>fall down at this last step.
>
> I don't want a simple "games machine"; I'm not a kid, I'm an adult. I want
> to reduce the amount of electronic boxes sitting around my house, I want
> to watch my DVDs, I want to play the *occasional* game, I want to pull
> down multimedia from my computer network and put it on my TV, and I want
> TIVO type functionality.
>
> Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
>
> --
> --
> Rob Moir
> Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
> Virtual PC 2004 FAQ -
> http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html
> Kazaa - Software update services for your Viruses and Spyware.
>
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| xTenn wrote:
quote:
> You might want to reconsider going to A for a better signal - G and
> Super G has better range, AND higher bandwidth (well, super g,
> anyways).
I find 802.11a tends to be more robust within its range than the others, so
I can kinda understand the choice.
quote:
> If I was going to go beyond 802.11g I would go with Multiport
> Wireless, something we all will be doing in a few years. Otherwise
> it would seem a bad investment (in 802,11A, that is).
If I needed bandwidth beyond 802.11g i'd personally sigh, realise we ain't
that much further forward after all, and try to remember where i left my
roll of cable and crimping tool ;-)
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| SINNER 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| * Robert Moir Wrote in microsoft.public.xbox:
quote:
> xTenn wrote:
>
>
>
> Fair point, I'd not have that problem myself but it certainly
> could happen. Hmmm. I'd actually be happy to have the TIVO
> functionality as a "pay for" extra - so it could have the ability
> to cope with that question perhaps, while not forcing people who
> ain't interested to pay for something they don't want.
>
>
While that would be optimal, I am not sure you could get a CPU
powerful enough. Today, if you dont have a DirecTV Tivo the box has
to do some pretty serious crunching for the MPEG encode which would
likely use a good portion of the CPU cycles which would certainly
hurt perfomance for a game that is extremely processor intensive.
OTOH, DTivo boxes dont do any encoding, they record the digital
stream directly (which also produces higher quality output than a SA
Tivo) so if you had a box and could decrypt the sat signal and record
the input, the CPU would not be so busy and it MIGHT work, of course
that means it would have to be a DirectMurdoch360 ;)
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>* Robert Moir Wrote in microsoft.public.xbox:
>
>
> While that would be optimal, I am not sure you could get a CPU
> powerful enough. Today, if you dont have a DirecTV Tivo the box has
> to do some pretty serious crunching for the MPEG encode which would
> likely use a good portion of the CPU cycles which would certainly
> hurt perfomance for a game that is extremely processor intensive.
>
Well, there could be a plugin card such as the Hauppage video cards that do
hardware MPEG encoding but the cost would be a factor.
FWIW, these cards do make a huge difference in the performace cost, and
makes the difference in the machine I use to rip shows from barely keeping
up in recording near-dvd quality to beaing able to play and record at the
same time.
(I mention streaming to PDA earlier in this thread - I have a second job
that automatically rips down a copy for this automatically).
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| Licantrop0 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| Paul Smith ha scritto:
quote:
> You can stream media from a normal Windows XP box, using Windows Media
> Connect. But to have Tivo functionality you'll obviously need a Media
> Center.
so you cannot record your favourite TV series on Xbox Hard Drive,
then strip spot, and burning it on a DVD directly with the console?
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| Chris H. 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| No, you can't even do that on a dedicated Media Center Edition Extender.
The Extenders do exactly what the name says - Extending the Media Center
Edition functionality to another location in your home. The Extenders
access MCE functions via separate accounts, showing what is/has been
recorded (or live) TV which the MCE computer is processing. You have up to
five Extenders on each MCE computer. Take a look at this information:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...es/default.mspx
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> Paul Smith ha scritto:
>
>
> so you cannot record your favourite TV series on Xbox Hard Drive,
> then strip spot, and burning it on a DVD directly with the console?
>
> --
> Licantrop0 / Hx since 2001
> Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com
> eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| Chris H. wrote:
quote:
> No, you can't even do that on a dedicated Media Center Edition
> Extender. The Extenders do exactly what the name says - Extending the
> Media Center Edition functionality to another location in your home.
But as TIVO-like abilities are part of MCE functionality, I don't think its
unreasonable to ask for a box thats being touted as our front room
entertainment centre to do that...
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| Paul Smith 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> But as TIVO-like abilities are part of MCE functionality, I don't think
> its unreasonable to ask for a box thats being touted as our front room
> entertainment centre to do that...
Microsoft to be blunt, won't make money on the Xbox 360 hardware. They make
their money on Windows on a Media Center PC. That's why you won't find that
functionality on a games console.
Even the PSX bombed in Japan, partly due to price. Adding the
functionalities of both comes at a pretty hefty cost - and that's with Sony
which is a hardware company.
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Yeovil, UK.
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| Chris H. 2005-05-24, 8:39 pm |
| Have you looked at the information on the link I posted? What happens with
an Extender (either a dedicated Extender or the Xbox version) is you're
extending the functionality of the Media Center Edition system. If you have
recorded music, photos, TV shows, etc., on the MCE, you can play them
through the extender to whatever TV you may have. You can also watch live
TV through the Extender. We have one daughter who has an Extender and a TV
in her bedroom, but no connection at all to the satellite feed we get. She
can still watch live TV or recorded shows in her room, even if my wife is
watching a different show on the TV in the bedroom, and I'm watching
something else on the MCE machine in the computer room.
--
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Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
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Associate Expert
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"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Chris H. wrote:
>
> But as TIVO-like abilities are part of MCE functionality, I don't think
> its unreasonable to ask for a box thats being touted as our front room
> entertainment centre to do that...
>
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| Nicholas Andrade 2005-05-25, 3:33 am |
| Robert Moir wrote:
quote:
> I see no sign of either the PS3 or the XBOX360 doing TIVO type
> functionality. Maybe its just me that feels this way but that feels like a
> big omission to me. We've been told that both these things are lifestyle
> devices, not just simply toys, yet we're missing the one true innovation in
> TV viewing that people have already... Seems odd to me to do so much and
> fall down at this last step.
>
> I don't want a simple "games machine"; I'm not a kid, I'm an adult. I want
> to reduce the amount of electronic boxes sitting around my house, I want to
> watch my DVDs, I want to play the *occasional* game, I want to pull down
> multimedia from my computer network and put it on my TV, and I want TIVO
> type functionality.
>
> Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
>
Well you can always wait until someone figures out how to mod it, then
install Linux on it and you've got yourself a nice MythTV box.
The main issue though has been already brought up in this thread: unless
they throw on dedicated mpeg encoding hardware, you won't have enough
processing power to encode and play games simultaneously.
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-25, 6:52 am |
| Paul Smith wrote:
quote:
> Microsoft to be blunt, won't make money on the Xbox 360 hardware. They
> make their money on Windows on a Media Center PC. That's why
> you won't find that functionality on a games console.
Agreed, but Microsoft seem to be positioning this thing as more than "just"
a games machine, and I started the thread to talk about the things *I* want
to see in a box thats trying to get me to part with my money.
Making it profitable is not my problem, and as I've said elsewhere in the
thread i'd be happy to pay extra for an add-on that added the stuff I'm
talking about, so it need not bog down the basic games console spec.
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| Jeremey 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
| Exactly. Even with the existing XBox, Microsoft loses money on each one
sold. They rely on games (software), and XBox Live to make money.
Do you think you could have built a PC as powerful as the Xbox for $300 when
it first came out? No way.
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> Microsoft to be blunt, won't make money on the Xbox 360 hardware. They
> make their money on Windows on a Media Center PC. That's why you won't
> find that functionality on a games console.
>
> Even the PSX bombed in Japan, partly due to price. Adding the
> functionalities of both comes at a pretty hefty cost - and that's with
> Sony which is a hardware company.
>
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
| Jeremey wrote:
quote:
> Exactly. Even with the existing XBox, Microsoft loses money on each
> one sold. They rely on games (software), and XBox Live to make money.
> Do you think you could have built a PC as powerful as the Xbox for
> $300 when it first came out? No way.
But they won't make any money, well any XBOX money, off me if they don't
include the features *I* want. I'm not going to buy something because
someone else likes it, I'm going to buy it because I like it.
I should mention that a few days ago I saw a post from one of the MS
regulars to someone who was whining about the XBOX 360 specs to the effect
of could they please post what they thought was missing/wrong with the
specs. So I'm posting what I think is missing, for me personally.
I don't need another "games machine", I do however like the idea of
something that sits in my front room, lets me throw out the old stereo down
there & both the DVD & video players , and lets me play games, watch films,
record TV, listen to music, etc.
I'm well aware of how to solve those problems already with a Media Centre
computer, of which I have two already,
I'm well aware that it could be expensive to add the full TIVO-type
abilities to a games console, well, within reason I'm prepared to pay for an
add-on or a "deluxe model" that has this ability.
I'm just saying that the concept of having a box like the XBOX360 to do it
all appeals to me.
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| nospam 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
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"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jeremey wrote:
>
> But they won't make any money, well any XBOX money, off me if they don't
> include the features *I* want. I'm not going to buy something because
> someone else likes it, I'm going to buy it because I like it.
Maybe the xbox 360 isn't the device for you then.
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| Robert Moir 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
| nospam wrote:
quote:
> "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe the xbox 360 isn't the device for you then.
Obviously not, if it doesn't include the features I need. Bit of a "captain
obvious" observation that.
As I said in the stuff you snipped, one of the MS employees who posts here
waas asking what features people felt were missing, so I'm discussing one
that I would like to see.
My apologies if that point is passing you by.
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| Jeremey 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
| I see your point, however, if MS made it a goal to make EVERYONE happy with
their new system, it would be far too expensive for anyone to afford and
then no one is happy. Personally, I could care less about all the
multimedia crap they already have included in it. Sure it's a nice novelty,
but I just want to play games. The only feature other than live that is
significant to me is the ability to play your own music no matter what
game - and that I could certainly do without.
In MS's eyes, it's all about the bottom line. What features can the include
to get the most revenue off the console without drastically taking away
sales from other products. That is the way it is for any business.
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> Jeremey wrote:
>
> But they won't make any money, well any XBOX money, off me if they don't
> include the features *I* want. I'm not going to buy something because
> someone else likes it, I'm going to buy it because I like it.
>
> I should mention that a few days ago I saw a post from one of the MS
> regulars to someone who was whining about the XBOX 360 specs to the effect
> of could they please post what they thought was missing/wrong with the
> specs. So I'm posting what I think is missing, for me personally.
>
> I don't need another "games machine", I do however like the idea of
> something that sits in my front room, lets me throw out the old stereo
> down there & both the DVD & video players , and lets me play games, watch
> films, record TV, listen to music, etc.
>
> I'm well aware of how to solve those problems already with a Media Centre
> computer, of which I have two already,
>
> I'm well aware that it could be expensive to add the full TIVO-type
> abilities to a games console, well, within reason I'm prepared to pay for
> an add-on or a "deluxe model" that has this ability.
>
> I'm just saying that the concept of having a box like the XBOX360 to do it
> all appeals to me.
>
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> Rob Moir
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| SINNER 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
| * Jeremey Wrote in microsoft.public.xbox:
quote:
> I see your point, however, if MS made it a goal to make EVERYONE
> happy with their new system, it would be far too expensive for
> anyone to afford and then no one is happy. Personally, I could
> care less about all the multimedia crap they already have included
> in it. Sure it's a nice novelty, but I just want to play games.
> The only feature other than live that is significant to me is the
> ability to play your own music no matter what game - and that I
> could certainly do without.
>
> In MS's eyes, it's all about the bottom line. What features can
> the include to get the most revenue off the console without
> drastically taking away sales from other products. That is the
> way it is for any business.
While it is true that it is all about Money, MS has alterior motives
that Bill has been talking about from the start. He wants MS in the
living room and sees the Xbox platform as the door opener. It is not
only about money to them which is why I think many are surprised that
it really dosent act more like a convergence box than just a game
machine.
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David
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