|
Home > Archive > Xbox forum > May 2005 > XB360 and PS3
You are viewing an archived Text-only version of the thread.
To view this thread in it's original format and/or if you want to reply to
this thread please [click here]
|
|
| Stevecd 2005-05-18, 8:36 pm |
| Is it really the case that PS3 is supposed to be twice as fast as an XB360?
keep hearing this - but looking at the specifications, they are using very
similar solutions, with the PS3 looking at a cell cluster or something
whilst the XB360 is using more conventional parralel processors. They both
have 512mb, but the PS has one bank of ultra fast memory...
Hmm... oh please, give me hope.....as the only Xbox owner I know in my area,
kind feels like I'm betamax at a VHS launch party...
| |
|
| Reply=20to=20message=20from=20=22Stevecd=22=20=3Csteven=2Ecrook=2Ddawkins=40nospambaesystems=2Ecom=3E=20=0D=0A=28Wed=2C=2018=20May=202005=2009=3A29=3A38=29=20about=20=22XB360=20and=20PS3=22=3A=20=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=3E=20Hmm=2E=2E=2E=20oh=20please=2C=20g
ive=20me=20hope=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eas=20the=20only=20Xbox=20owner=20I=20know=20in=20my=20=0D=0A=20=3E=20area=2C=20kind=20feels=20like=20I=27m=20betamax=20at=20a=20VHS=20launch=20party=2E=2E=2E=20=0D=0A=0D=0AWell=2C=20in=20this=20case=20you=20might=20be=20able=
20to=20replace=20=22betamax=22=20with=20=22blu=2Dray=22=2C=20=0D=0Abut=20the=20named=20stays=20the=20same=20=28Sony=29=2E=20=0D=0A=0D=0AShame=20too=2C=20blu=2Dray=2C=20like=20betamax=2C=20is=20a=20bit=20better=2E=20But=20in=20both=20instances=20=0D=0ASony
=20is=20not=20willing=20to=20give=20up=20what=20it=20needs=20in=20order=20to=20make=20it=20a=20=0D=0Astandard=2E=20
| |
|
| Most developers seem to think that PS3 might be more powerful, but is also
much more difficult to program for and to take advantage of that power, so
in the end many feel that there really isn't gonna be too much difference
between the games on both systems.
I also like the fact that 360 will support MP3 and WMA cds for playback.
PS3 will have 1080p support, which doesn't really make a difference since
there aren't practically any TVs that support that in the market yet (maybe
for several years, or at least they'll be ultra expensive). Even 360's
slightly lower HDTV support doesn't really mean anything in Europe, since
less than 2% of TVs here are HDTVs.
Sound is pretty much the same on both systems, and GPUs both are said to
have power around 2 x current generation GeForce 6800 / x800.
360 has a much better online system with Live.
So in the end I don't think that there really is that much difference
between systems, and anyway, it's gonna take many years before developers
can take all that power and put it up on the screen. And by that time XBox
720 and PS4 are already coming...
By the way, 2 things that only the smart (?) bloggers / websites seem to
notice; a) PS3 demos were just that, CG demos. No actual gameplay was showed
at all. Remember PS2 demos before launch, and "ToyStory in realtime!"
claims...? hmmm... and b) all XBox 360 demos were running on alpha kits,
which only have around 30-40% of the final raw power of 360.
"Stevecd" <steven.crook-dawkins@nospambaesystems.com> wrote in message
news:428b4147$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
quote:
> Is it really the case that PS3 is supposed to be twice as fast as an
> XB360?
>
> keep hearing this - but looking at the specifications, they are using very
> similar solutions, with the PS3 looking at a cell cluster or something
> whilst the XB360 is using more conventional parralel processors. They both
> have 512mb, but the PS has one bank of ultra fast memory...
>
> Hmm... oh please, give me hope.....as the only Xbox owner I know in my
> area,
> kind feels like I'm betamax at a VHS launch party...
>
>
>
| |
| Licantrop0 2005-05-18, 8:37 pm |
| Stevecd ha scritto:
quote:
> Is it really the case that PS3 is supposed to be twice as fast as an
> XB360?
here is a collect of official specification comparison:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_vs_ps3.asp
Please, Microsoft make a performance boost on Xbox360,
we don't want to be number 2 in fact of pure technology!
--
Licantrop0 / Hx since 2001
Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com
eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it
| |
| Paul Smith 2005-05-19, 1:00 am |
| "Licantrop0" <x@y.z> wrote in message
news:OCXosY$WFHA.1404@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
quote:
> here is a collect of official specification comparison:
>
> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_vs_ps3.asp
>
> Please, Microsoft make a performance boost on Xbox360,
> we don't want to be number 2 in fact of pure technology!
They're both pretty even spec wise (keep in mind the impressive demos Sony
showed were pre-rendered). Sony "may" have a faster GPU, but then Microsoft
has more memory (on average faster too) and much more chance of the hard
drive being standard (not just an add on like the PS2 / PS3 that nothing
takes advantage of).
Where the Xbox 360 shines is feature set. Hook your MP3 player, even PSP up
to it and watch videos, play music etc from it - it doesn't even have to be
a PlaysForSure device - stream media from your PC - built in Media Center
Extender! Xbox Live.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.xbox360degrees.com/
http://www.windowsresource.net/
*Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
| |
| Stevecd 2005-05-19, 6:49 am |
|
"msgs" <mikael.sillman@ppPOISTA.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:ZAKie.291$LI.159@read3.inet.fi...
quote:
> Most developers seem to think that PS3 might be more powerful, but is also
> much more difficult to program for and to take advantage of that power, so
> in the end many feel that there really isn't gonna be too much difference
> between the games on both systems.
>
<lots if useful stuff ...>
Thanks for that - this was pretty much what I thought. Its amazing how
quickly the "PS3 trounces XB360" stories get wound up.
| |
| Licantrop0 2005-05-19, 6:49 am |
| Paul Smith ha scritto:
quote:
>
> They're both pretty even spec wise (keep in mind the impressive demos
> Sony showed were pre-rendered). Sony "may" have a faster GPU, but
> then Microsoft has more memory (on average faster too)
nope, the memory size is almost the same, and half of that, in the ps3
is at 3.2GHz, vs xbox one that is at 700 Mhz... 
sony said that whole memory could be used by gpu and cpu indifferently.
quote:
> and much more
> chance of the hard drive being standard (not just an add on like the
> PS2 / PS3 that nothing takes advantage of).
what? where do you heard that?
quote:
> Where the Xbox 360 shines is feature set. Hook your MP3 player, even
> PSP up to it and watch videos, play music etc from it - it doesn't
> even have to be a PlaysForSure device - stream media from your PC -
> built in Media Center Extender! Xbox Live.
oh yeah, i know, and is for this feature that i'm going to buy an x360 at
dayone,
but i'm hurt that that "we are number 2..."
in addition to this, i feel sad to immagine project gotham racing 3 running
only at
30 fps, and Unreal Engine 3 that do an hard work to be fluid:
Here from IGN: [taking about Gears of War and Perfect Dark Zero] " Sure
there are some framerate issues, but this game is at least a year away. "
--
Licantrop0 / Hx since 2001
Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com
eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it
| |
| Chris H. 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| There's an interesting interview with Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO) and
Robbie Bach (Chief Xbox Officer) here:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000597043723 Ballmer says the Xbox 360
will be faster in some things, while the PS3 is faster in others. 8-)
Quote from the interview:
=====
". . .To sit there and just take a look and say “Well, they’re just faster.
.. . ” Well, we’ve got three cores, they’ve got one core. Actually, we were
pleasantly surprised by what they announced. They’re later, and yet we think
we’re going to outperform them on a bunch of stuff. We think we’ve got
better balanced system performance than they do. Now, when you’re the second
guy of course you’re going to be faster. We sit there and say “There are
some things [on the PS3] that are faster… [whispers] but there are some
things we’re faster on, too.”
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
news:OxZpOzHXFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
quote:
>
> The frequency is irrelevent, it's about how fast you can push and pull
> data from RAM.
>
> Xbox 360 has 10MB of eDRAM at 256GB/s for the graphics card and 512MB of
> RAM that pushes through 22.4GB/s.
>
> PlayStation 3 (if you believe the specs*) has 22.4GB/s for the 256MB of
> VRAM and 25.6GB/s for the 256MB of RAM
>
> *At the PS2 announcement they said the PS2 would have 66GB/s of memory
> bandwidth - it ended up with about 3.
>
> The Xbox has the advantage in that either the CPU or the GPU can access
> all of this 512MB, the GPU in the PS3 can access some of the main RAM, but
> at much reduced speed, so I doubt it will ever be used (well unless you
> like dodgy pauses when you enter a new room).
>
> CPU wise - sure the Cell may be faster at calculating pie to 3 million
> decimal places, but lets see how it actually runs some games, it's a much
> more complicated processor and it's going to take developers a long long
> time to work out how to use it. The "Emotion Engine" according to Sony
> should be comparable to a 1Ghz Pentium 3 - does that sound realistic? No,
> because it's hard to make use of it. We've seen nothing of this CPU at
> all, we know it's not a full Cell because it's had an SPE disabled, it's
> really impossible to say anything about it until they actually let someone
> outside IST sit down and play with it.
>
> GPU wise - the chip in the PS3 is basically suppose to be 2.5 times faster
> then a GeForce 6800 Ultra - the new chip from ATI is 'so they claim' about
> 4 times faster then a one in a X850 graphics card. The X850 and 6800U are
> about even. This is really too close to call, if you believe ATI's claim
> then the Xbox 360 will be faster.
>
> Common sense, they say they're going to have a hard drive - sure the PS2
> had a hard drive too, but they just mention it, just like they mention
> they're going to have "online" wow really? Tell us something we don't
> know.
>
> There's no question Microsoft need to run some damage control after Sony
> showed all that pre-rendered stuff, practically everything I've read or
> seen in the press has been biased in favour of Sony - the BBC showed the
> Fight Night and Killzone demo (despite it being pre-rendered), yet they
> show DoA4 and Full Auto (both of which were Xbox 1 games) - why not show
> PGR3 or Oblivion or Gears of War?
>
> I think Allard went overboard with trying to be "hip" wow faceplates and
> all this MTV stuff (in Europe they showed no gameplay footage at all - I
> hope they sue MTV over that) - I don't look at the console when I'm
> playing a game thanks. But there was no question this was going to be a
> tight race on hardware, I just hope people forget the nonsense that Sony
> pulled out this week. The danger for Microsoft is people not buying an
> Xbox 360 until they see the PlayStation 3...
>
> Sony certainly have a lot of ammunition this time around, we can't say the
> Xbox blows the PS away like we can this generation. Microsoft say they're
> aiming to have Halo 3 out to compete with the PS3 - what if they release
> PS3 3 months behind in Europe, we're not waiting 3 months for Halo 3. And
> Europe is a key market for them it's one where Sony have a massive grip.
>
> GTA is a massive weapon, esp in Europe, I think Microsoft need to get GTA
> exclusive, they've let so many exclusive titles slip away, they need a big
> one back. If Sony can get GTA as a launch title for the PS3 then
> Microsoft will be in trouble. If Microsoft could get GTA then they've
> won. Most people still don't care about online games, most people esp the
> chavs around here do care about GTA it's all they go on about. They hate
> Halo because it's got too much story and they just wanna blow the ... out
> of verything. - That's the mainstream in Europe.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
> http://www.xbox360degrees.com/
>
> *Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
>
>
| |
| Paul Smith 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| "Licantrop0" <x@y.z> wrote in message
news:ezuPi2EXFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
quote:
>
> nope, the memory size is almost the same, and half of that, in the ps3
> is at 3.2GHz, vs xbox one that is at 700 Mhz...
> sony said that whole memory could be used by gpu and cpu indifferently.
The frequency is irrelevent, it's about how fast you can push and pull data
from RAM.
Xbox 360 has 10MB of eDRAM at 256GB/s for the graphics card and 512MB of RAM
that pushes through 22.4GB/s.
PlayStation 3 (if you believe the specs*) has 22.4GB/s for the 256MB of VRAM
and 25.6GB/s for the 256MB of RAM
*At the PS2 announcement they said the PS2 would have 66GB/s of memory
bandwidth - it ended up with about 3.
The Xbox has the advantage in that either the CPU or the GPU can access all
of this 512MB, the GPU in the PS3 can access some of the main RAM, but at
much reduced speed, so I doubt it will ever be used (well unless you like
dodgy pauses when you enter a new room).
CPU wise - sure the Cell may be faster at calculating pie to 3 million
decimal places, but lets see how it actually runs some games, it's a much
more complicated processor and it's going to take developers a long long
time to work out how to use it. The "Emotion Engine" according to Sony
should be comparable to a 1Ghz Pentium 3 - does that sound realistic? No,
because it's hard to make use of it. We've seen nothing of this CPU at all,
we know it's not a full Cell because it's had an SPE disabled, it's really
impossible to say anything about it until they actually let someone outside
IST sit down and play with it.
GPU wise - the chip in the PS3 is basically suppose to be 2.5 times faster
then a GeForce 6800 Ultra - the new chip from ATI is 'so they claim' about 4
times faster then a one in a X850 graphics card. The X850 and 6800U are
about even. This is really too close to call, if you believe ATI's claim
then the Xbox 360 will be faster.
quote:
>
> what? where do you heard that?
Common sense, they say they're going to have a hard drive - sure the PS2 had
a hard drive too, but they just mention it, just like they mention they're
going to have "online" wow really? Tell us something we don't know.
There's no question Microsoft need to run some damage control after Sony
showed all that pre-rendered stuff, practically everything I've read or seen
in the press has been biased in favour of Sony - the BBC showed the Fight
Night and Killzone demo (despite it being pre-rendered), yet they show DoA4
and Full Auto (both of which were Xbox 1 games) - why not show PGR3 or
Oblivion or Gears of War?
I think Allard went overboard with trying to be "hip" wow faceplates and all
this MTV stuff (in Europe they showed no gameplay footage at all - I hope
they sue MTV over that) - I don't look at the console when I'm playing a
game thanks. But there was no question this was going to be a tight race on
hardware, I just hope people forget the nonsense that Sony pulled out this
week. The danger for Microsoft is people not buying an Xbox 360 until they
see the PlayStation 3...
Sony certainly have a lot of ammunition this time around, we can't say the
Xbox blows the PS away like we can this generation. Microsoft say they're
aiming to have Halo 3 out to compete with the PS3 - what if they release PS3
3 months behind in Europe, we're not waiting 3 months for Halo 3. And
Europe is a key market for them it's one where Sony have a massive grip.
GTA is a massive weapon, esp in Europe, I think Microsoft need to get GTA
exclusive, they've let so many exclusive titles slip away, they need a big
one back. If Sony can get GTA as a launch title for the PS3 then Microsoft
will be in trouble. If Microsoft could get GTA then they've won. Most
people still don't care about online games, most people esp the chavs around
here do care about GTA it's all they go on about. They hate Halo because
it's got too much story and they just wanna blow the ... out of
verything. - That's the mainstream in Europe.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
http://www.xbox360degrees.com/
*Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
| |
| Paul Smith 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23ZYxsKIXFHA.3864@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
quote:
> There's an interesting interview with Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO) and
> Robbie Bach (Chief Xbox Officer) here:
> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000597043723 Ballmer says the Xbox 360
> will be faster in some things, while the PS3 is faster in others. 8-)
It's just a shame the press come out and say Xbox 360 is outgunned and
outclassed. May be Microsoft need to sink to Sony's level of mud throwing
and pre-rendered videos to win.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
*Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
| |
| Chris H. 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| Doesn't really matter, except for the one-upmanship at this point. As you
probably noted in some of the interviews or press conferences, nothing is
cut in stone yet on the Xbox 360. They're still developing and tweaking.
8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message
news:u4QA3eIXFHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
quote:
> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23ZYxsKIXFHA.3864@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> It's just a shame the press come out and say Xbox 360 is outgunned and
> outclassed. May be Microsoft need to sink to Sony's level of mud throwing
> and pre-rendered videos to win.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
>
| |
| Licantrop0 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| Paul Smith ha scritto:
quote:
> The frequency is irrelevent, it's about how fast you can push and
> pull data from RAM.
>
> Xbox 360 has 10MB of eDRAM at 256GB/s for the graphics card and 512MB
> of RAM that pushes through 22.4GB/s.
that 10 MB of eDRAM is for no lose of performance with FULL AA?
and they are sufficent also for an hypotetically 1080p?
quote:
> PlayStation 3 (if you believe the specs*) has 22.4GB/s for the 256MB
> of VRAM and 25.6GB/s for the 256MB of RAM
ooohh...
quote:
> *At the PS2 announcement they said the PS2 would have 66GB/s of memory
> bandwidth - it ended up with about 3.
LOL... I trust only in Microsoft!
quote:
> The Xbox has the advantage in that either the CPU or the GPU can
> access all of this 512MB, the GPU in the PS3 can access some of the
> main RAM, but at much reduced speed, so I doubt it will ever be used
> (well unless you like dodgy pauses when you enter a new room).
That's the trick!... 
[cut]
quote:
> We've seen nothing of this CPU at all, we know it's not a full Cell
> because it's had an SPE disabled, it's really impossible to say
> anything about it until they actually let someone outside IST sit
> down and play with it.
sitdown and watit, ok.
quote:
> GPU wise - the chip in the PS3 is basically suppose to be 2.5 times
> faster then a GeForce 6800 Ultra - the new chip from ATI is 'so they
> claim' about 4 times faster then a one in a X850 graphics card. The
> X850 and 6800U are about even. This is really too close to call, if
> you believe ATI's claim then the Xbox 360 will be faster.
aargh! but the PS3 GPU IS 50 MHZ FASTER!!! :DDDDD
[cut: default HardDisk]
quote:
> Common sense, they say they're going to have a hard drive - sure the
> PS2 had a hard drive too, but they just mention it, just like they
> mention they're going to have "online" wow really? Tell us something
> we don't know.
so, do you think that xbox360 will not have a detachable hd,
but one well integrated?
and the size?
that HD is used also for recording, i'm not sure that 20 Gigz will enough...
quote:
> the BBC
> showed the Fight Night and Killzone demo (despite it being
> pre-rendered), yet they show DoA4 and Full Auto (both of which were
> Xbox 1 games) - why not show PGR3 or Oblivion or Gears of War?
what kind a....
quote:
> I just hope people forget the
> nonsense that Sony pulled out this week.
me too... all the forums are very hot about this...
quote:
> The danger for Microsoft is
> people not buying an Xbox 360 until they see the PlayStation 3...
mhh, i think that exclusive games make the differences...
[cut: Halo3 worldwide launch]
quote:
> And Europe is a key market for them
> it's one where Sony have a massive grip.
yes, I'm Italian and most of my friends have a Ps2, but I
convinced some of them to sell it and buy an xbox
quote:
> If Sony can get GTA as a launch title for the
> PS3 then Microsoft will be in trouble. If Microsoft could get GTA
> then they've won.
GTA, MGS and Final Fantasy... :-/ well... we will have FFXI,
but... i think that isn't enough.
quote:
> Most people still don't care about online games,
> most people esp the chavs around here do care about GTA it's all they
> go on about. They hate Halo because it's got too much story and they
> just wanna blow the ... out of verything. - That's the mainstream in
> Europe.
Halo is considered a very good game, also for the european.
--
Licantrop0 / Hx since 2001
Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com
eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it
| |
| Paul Smith 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| "Licantrop0" <x@y.z> wrote in message
news:ugXMFQKXFHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
quote:
>
> LOL... I trust only in Microsoft!
Microsoft's past record is far better then Sony's in this regard.
http://www.dvdfuture.com/features.php?id=1 if you need reminding on how
god-like the PS2 was suppose to be.
HardOCP have a good article up on the Xbox 360 GPU
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzcxLDE=
"First off, we reported on page 2 in our chart that the capable "Shader
Performance" of the Xbox 360 GPU is 48 billion shader operations per second.
While that is what Microsoft told us, Mr. Feldstein of ATI let us know that
the Xbox 360 GPU is capable of doing two of those shaders per cycle. So yes,
if programmed for correctly, the Xbox 360 GPU is capable of 96 billion
shader operations per second."
Microsoft holding some stuff in reserve may be.
quote:
> aargh! but the PS3 GPU IS 50 MHZ FASTER!!! :DDDDD
My Pentium M runs at 1.8Ghz, my Pentium 4 runs at 2.66Ghz. The Pentium M is
faster.
quote:
> so, do you think that xbox360 will not have a detachable hd,
> but one well integrated?
> and the size?
> that HD is used also for recording, i'm not sure that 20 Gigz will
> enough...
The Xbox HDD is removable like they've said. But Sony just mention they'll
have one, Microsoft mention they'll have one and have loads of stuff you can
do with it and all the boxes they showed had the drive attached.
quote:
> mhh, i think that exclusive games make the differences...
Not when some kids says, I want an Xbox 360, and his mum goes "but I saw on
the news the other night the PS3 is far more powerful let's wait for that".
quote:
> Halo is considered a very good game, also for the european.
Yes but GTA still sells more.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
*Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
| |
| Licantrop0 2005-05-19, 8:34 pm |
| Paul Smith ha scritto:
quote:
> Microsoft's past record is far better then Sony's in this regard.
I know I know, I'm a Microsoft Fan's
quote:
> "First off, we reported on page 2 in our chart that the capable
> "Shader Performance" of the Xbox 360 GPU is 48 billion shader
> operations per second. While that is what Microsoft told us, Mr.
> Feldstein of ATI let us know that the Xbox 360 GPU is capable of
> doing two of those shaders per cycle. So yes, if programmed for
> correctly, the Xbox 360 GPU is capable of 96 billion shader
> operations per second."
this is a good news! thanks for the link.
quote:
>
> My Pentium M runs at 1.8Ghz, my Pentium 4 runs at 2.66Ghz. The
> Pentium M is faster.
LOL, I'm joking :D
quote:
> The Xbox HDD is removable like they've said. But Sony just mention
> they'll have one, Microsoft mention they'll have one and have loads
> of stuff you can do with it and all the boxes they showed had the
> drive attached.
I hope so, also in the final version...
quote:
>
> Not when some kids says, I want an Xbox 360, and his mum goes "but I
> saw on the news the other night the PS3 is far more powerful let's
> wait for that".
:-/ Microsoft should invest much money in Tv Spot's to avoid
this sad situation...
quote:
>
> Yes but GTA still sells more.
we can compare better when GTA:SA will be released on Xbox
however, I'm of your same opinion, Microsoft have to buy Rockstar :P...
--
Licantrop0 / Hx since 2001
Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com
eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it
| |
|
| > PS3 will have 1080p support, which doesn't really make a difference since
quote:
> there aren't practically any TVs that support that in the market yet
> (maybe for several years, or at least they'll be ultra expensive). Even
> 360's slightly lower HDTV support doesn't really mean anything in Europe,
> since less than 2% of TVs here are HDTVs.
this tv supports 1080p and is ultra expensive, as you said
http://www.sharpusa.com/products/Mo...58,1427,00.html
| |
| Paul Smith 2005-05-20, 12:32 am |
| "msgs" <mikael.sillman@ppPOISTA.inet.fi> wrote in message
news:ZAKie.291$LI.159@read3.inet.fi...
quote:
> PS3 will have 1080p support, which doesn't really make a difference since
> there aren't practically any TVs that support that in the market yet
> (maybe for several years, or at least they'll be ultra expensive). Even
> 360's slightly lower HDTV support doesn't really mean anything in Europe,
> since less than 2% of TVs here are HDTVs.
Yup.
There's no reason the Xbox 360 can't output at 1080p. Microsoft announce
that they were requiring all developers to release games at the *minimum* of
720p and 1080i. Microsoft speak of minimums they guarantee every game to
support and Sony blabber on about in theory their console can do this. Well
in theory Xbox 360 could run 4 screens at 1920x1080 (yes progressive) if
they disabled anti-aliasing. Microsoft however, seeing as most people have
standard definition sets decide to force anti-aliasing on so that everybody
will see a huge increase in quality, not just those with HDTVs.
Microsoft take a stance that will improve quality for everybody, even if it
does cost them the "coolness" of running lots of TVs that the super-rich may
have in a few years.
And I'll bet most PS3 games won't take advantage of HDTV unless Sony force
them to.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.windowsresource.net/
http://www.xbox360degrees.com/
*Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
| |
| Licantrop0 2005-05-21, 8:32 pm |
| Licantrop0 ha scritto:
[cut]
iv'e found this: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617....html?fromint=1
here is a little piece:
There are three critical performance aspects of a console:
* Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance:
The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing
power of the Cell. Cell's claimed advantage is on streaming floating point
work which is done on its seven DSP processors.
* Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance:
The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power
than the PS3 GPU. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall
rendering performance.
* Memory System Bandwidth:
Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than
one-fifth of Xbox 360's (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than
PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under
delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a
lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.
However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the
puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the
software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes
inconsequential. Xbox 360 games-by leveraging cutting-edge hardware,
software, and services-will outperform the PlayStation 3.
....now I fell better :D
--
Licantrop0 / Hx since 2001
Http: www.tandycenturyfox.com
eMail: licantrop0-at-libero.it
| |
| John Hillery 2005-05-22, 3:31 am |
| go here, see the REAL specs!
XBOX is twice as fast as ps3!
http://www.majornelson.com/
Stevecd <steven.crook-dawkins@nospambaesystems.com> wrote in message
news:428b4147$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
quote:
> Is it really the case that PS3 is supposed to be twice as fast as an
XB360?
quote:
>
> keep hearing this - but looking at the specifications, they are using very
> similar solutions, with the PS3 looking at a cell cluster or something
> whilst the XB360 is using more conventional parralel processors. They both
> have 512mb, but the PS has one bank of ultra fast memory...
>
> Hmm... oh please, give me hope.....as the only Xbox owner I know in my
area,
quote:
> kind feels like I'm betamax at a VHS launch party...
>
>
>
| |
| Radeon350@yahoo.com 2005-05-22, 8:34 pm |
| Xbox 720 (Xbox 3) and PS4 are already coming, since they're already in
development now. even though we won't see them for 5 or 6 years.
when Sony was showing off the Playstation2 in 1999, they were already
developing Playstation3, even before Playstation2 came out.
| |
| Dog Bowl 2005-05-23, 8:34 pm |
| In article <_eUje.43653$w15.2560@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, jhiller2
@rr.com says...
quote:
> go here, see the REAL specs!
>
> XBOX is twice as fast as ps3!
>
>
> http://www.majornelson.com/
Sadly I think its got one major ( :-) ) flaw. Physics and geometry
processing , i.e. throwing 3d models around in a world with realistic
bodies of movement is *very* floating point mathematics intensive, where
as the MN web page contradicts that. Integer processing is more commonly
used in non game type applications. I would have thought abour 50% of
code at best using integers even then they are generally used as indexes
to floating point data structures. Remember the floating point stuff
will be in the time critical loops. It doesn't matter if the integer
processing is twice as fast if all its doing is displaying the main game
menu.
| |
| Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] 2005-05-23, 8:34 pm |
| Actually, it's not a flaw. The figures are from the Xbox 360 hardware team.
They are the ones who actually MADE those.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
"Dog Bowl" <dogUNDERSCOREbowl@ntlFOODworld.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cfc4ede248f39a098983c@news.cable.ntlworld.com...
quote:
> In article <_eUje.43653$w15.2560@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, jhiller2
> @rr.com says...
>
> Sadly I think its got one major ( :-) ) flaw. Physics and geometry
> processing , i.e. throwing 3d models around in a world with realistic
> bodies of movement is *very* floating point mathematics intensive, where
> as the MN web page contradicts that. Integer processing is more commonly
> used in non game type applications. I would have thought abour 50% of
> code at best using integers even then they are generally used as indexes
> to floating point data structures. Remember the floating point stuff
> will be in the time critical loops. It doesn't matter if the integer
> processing is twice as fast if all its doing is displaying the main game
> menu.
| |
| Dog Bowl 2005-05-25, 8:36 pm |
| In article <OLsnhc9XFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>,
bkvalheim@hotmail.com says...
quote:
> Actually, it's not a flaw. The figures are from the Xbox 360 hardware team.
> They are the ones who actually MADE those.
Odd. I didn't realise that the new Havok and Unreal engines had gone
back to integer maths :-)
Its not the hardware thats the fault, but the logic in the thinking that
games are mostly integer maths. Quite a few other people/web sites have
also mentioned about the thinking being flawed.
|
| |
|
|