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>This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft. Please
>visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.

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> This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft. Please
> visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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> This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft.
> Please visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.
>
> Thanks.

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> This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft. Please
> visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.
>
> Thanks.
>

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> In article <uUASwPc#EHA.2596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> Microsoft <nospam@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Do the official Xbox forums correspond to public Usenet groups, or are
> they an HTML-only interface? Just curious.
>
> -KKC, who will use NNTP until they pry the rn makefile from his cold, dead
> fingers...

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> In article <uUASwPc#EHA.2596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
> Microsoft <nospam@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Do the official Xbox forums correspond to public Usenet groups, or are
> they an HTML-only interface? Just curious.
>
> -KKC, who will use NNTP until they pry the rn makefile from his cold, dead
> fingers...
> --
> -- I was treated unfairly and without consideration by eBay - kendrick
> and Paypal. If you require independent testimony about - @io.com
> or corroboration of illegal or questionable business -
> practices by those two companies, please contact me. -

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> Microsoft wrote:
>
>
>
> No longer "supported"? WTF?
>
> --
>
> Deano
> Gamertag: buckskin

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> We have already removed the other newsgroups the remaining 4 may also
> eventually be removed.
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Deano" <martin.deanN@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0dx7y387zp2m000@usenet.plus.net...
>
>

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> No, thanks. HTML forums is the dumbest idea Microsoft had since "Microsoft
> Bob".

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> We have already removed the other newsgroups the remaining 4 may also
> eventually be removed.

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> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I presume top-posters will be welcome at the new xbox forums
>

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> "Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
> news:6vSdnT3xuJVPnHrcRVn-qw@io.com...
>
>
> HTML Interface only - no corresponding usenet groups behind it.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
> news:6vSdnT3xuJVPnHrcRVn-qw@io.com...
>
>

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> Microsoft wrote:
>
>
>
> No longer "supported"? WTF?

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>
> Mike, is "Microsoft" really an official rep. of Microsoft?

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> "Deano" <martin.deanN@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0dx7y387zp2m000@usenet.plus.net...
>
> Basically, this means that you shouldn't expect any response from any
> Microsoft employees, nor expect that they read this forum at all. Of
> course, there's the strict possibility you didn't expect either of those
> things in the first place.
>
> If you want to keep conversing here, feel free to do so. I'm not going to
> get rid of any newsgroup that has an active community.
>
> John Eddy
> Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator
>
>

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> "Deano" <martin.deanN@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0dx7y387zp2m000@usenet.plus.net...
>
> Basically, this means that you shouldn't expect any response from any
> Microsoft employees, nor expect that they read this forum at all. Of
> course, there's the strict possibility you didn't expect either of those
> things in the first place.
>
> If you want to keep conversing here, feel free to do so. I'm not going to
> get rid of any newsgroup that has an active community.
>
> John Eddy
> Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator
>

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> "Deano" <martin.deanN@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0dx7y387zp2m000@usenet.plus.net...
>
>
>
> Basically, this means that you shouldn't expect any response from any
> Microsoft employees, nor expect that they read this forum at all. Of
> course, there's the strict possibility you didn't expect either of those
> things in the first place.
>
> If you want to keep conversing here, feel free to do so. I'm not going to
> get rid of any newsgroup that has an active community.
>
> John Eddy
> Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator
>
>

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> Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
>
>
> I presume top-posters will be welcome at the new xbox forums
>
> --
>
> Deano
> Gamertag: buckskin

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> Mike, is "Microsoft" really an official rep. of Microsoft?

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> Mike, is "Microsoft" really an official rep. of Microsoft?
> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ezgOhnc%23EHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Reply to message from "Microsoft" <nospam@microsoft.com> (Thu, 13 Jan 2005
> 18:02:18) about ""Please visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.
> xbox.com"":
>
> M> This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft. Please
> M> visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.
>
> M> Thanks.
>
>
> Sorry, don't mean to be facetious, but usenet principles are more in tune
> with what I consider to be a free exchange of information. (Especially
> confusing coming from someone that used to have moderation rights at the
> forums, but I have to be honest, despite no doubt making myself look
> rather
> foolish doing so).
>
> There are a lot of younger users of the forums that warrant such
> moderation, but open minded adults should have a place where all voices
> are
> equal.
>
> 02, fwiw

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> Reply to message from "Microsoft" <nospam@microsoft.com> (Thu, 13 Jan 2005
> 18:02:18) about ""Please visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.
> xbox.com"":
>
> M> This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft. Please
> M> visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.
>
> M> Thanks.
>
>
> Sorry, don't mean to be facetious, but usenet principles are more in tune
> with what I consider to be a free exchange of information. (Especially
> confusing coming from someone that used to have moderation rights at the
> forums, but I have to be honest, despite no doubt making myself look
> rather
> foolish doing so).
>
> There are a lot of younger users of the forums that warrant such
> moderation, but open minded adults should have a place where all voices
> are
> equal.
>
> 02, fwiw

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> Reply to message from "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.
> com> (Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:31:21) about ""Re: Please visit the official
> Xbox
> Forums at http://forums.xbox.com"":
>
>
> MB> There should be nothing said here that you could not say in the forums
> MB> at Xbox.com.
>
>
> True enough, but if a handful of people didn't like it they could complain
> and have it removed, preventing others from seeing it. (Not that I try to
> be obnoxious with people any more than faulty character allows naturally).
>

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> I could bring up scenarios where this could be a concern, but that is the
> nature of people. Safe to say, the outcome of mob rules is very unlikely
> to
> be beyond the average of the normal topics, and even acts to squelch the
> discussions that reach beyond this.
>
> Again, there is a place for moderation, especially in a games forum that
> is
> sponsored by the company producing consoles used by the younger crowd
> (there is a few), but the xbox attracts a pretty wide spectrum of folks.

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> Reply to message from "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.
> com> (Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:31:21) about ""Re: Please visit the official
> Xbox
> Forums at http://forums.xbox.com"":
>
>
> MB> There should be nothing said here that you could not say in the forums
> MB> at Xbox.com.
>
>
> True enough, but if a handful of people didn't like it they could complain
> and have it removed, preventing others from seeing it. (Not that I try to
> be obnoxious with people any more than faulty character allows naturally).
>
> I could bring up scenarios where this could be a concern, but that is the
> nature of people. Safe to say, the outcome of mob rules is very unlikely
> to
> be beyond the average of the normal topics, and even acts to squelch the
> discussions that reach beyond this.
>
> Again, there is a place for moderation, especially in a games forum that
> is
> sponsored by the company producing consoles used by the younger crowd
> (there is a few), but the xbox attracts a pretty wide spectrum of folks.

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> Reply to message from "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.
> com> (Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:25:20) about ""Re: Please visit the official
> Xbox
> Forums at http://forums.xbox.com"":
>
> MB> There is little or no difference here then in the forums. (possible
> MB> exceptions being services like the Google groups archive which do not
> MB> honour the deletion of a post)
>
>
> Having been given moderator privleges on the forums in the past I must
> respectfully disagree with you, Mike. The difference is that posts are
> removed due to popular opinion, not charter guidelines. In a forum, as
> stated before, this can be expected.
>
> Of course Microsoft moderates these newsgroups as well, but it is done in
> accordance to a standard. As you would expect with a moderated usenet
> newsgroup. Sure, some things posted directly to the MS server that are not
> always in MS's best interest never have a chance to propogate, but even
> those are few and far between. If anything this is one of the most open
> corporately sponsored newsgroups I have seen - a testament to the
> openmindedness of the keepers.
>
> But in the end, All good things... ?

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> Reply to message from "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.
> com> (Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:25:20) about ""Re: Please visit the official
> Xbox
> Forums at http://forums.xbox.com"":
>
> MB> There is little or no difference here then in the forums. (possible
> MB> exceptions being services like the Google groups archive which do not
> MB> honour the deletion of a post)
>
>
> Having been given moderator privleges on the forums in the past I must
> respectfully disagree with you, Mike. The difference is that posts are
> removed due to popular opinion, not charter guidelines. In a forum, as
> stated before, this can be expected.
>
> Of course Microsoft moderates these newsgroups as well, but it is done in
> accordance to a standard. As you would expect with a moderated usenet
> newsgroup. Sure, some things posted directly to the MS server that are not
> always in MS's best interest never have a chance to propogate, but even
> those are few and far between. If anything this is one of the most open
> corporately sponsored newsgroups I have seen - a testament to the
> openmindedness of the keepers.
>
> But in the end, All good things... ?

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> Reply to message from "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.
> com> (Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:25:20) about ""Re: Please visit the official
> Xbox
> Forums at http://forums.xbox.com"":
>
> MB> There is little or no difference here then in the forums. (possible
> MB> exceptions being services like the Google groups archive which do not
> MB> honour the deletion of a post)
>
>
> Having been given moderator privleges on the forums in the past I must
> respectfully disagree with you, Mike. The difference is that posts are
> removed due to popular opinion, not charter guidelines. In a forum, as
> stated before, this can be expected.
>
> Of course Microsoft moderates these newsgroups as well, but it is done in
> accordance to a standard. As you would expect with a moderated usenet
> newsgroup. Sure, some things posted directly to the MS server that are not
> always in MS's best interest never have a chance to propogate, but even
> those are few and far between. If anything this is one of the most open
> corporately sponsored newsgroups I have seen - a testament to the
> openmindedness of the keepers.
>
> But in the end, All good things... ?

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> Well the biggest different in my opinion between the web based forum and
> newsgroups is portability. I HAT E, absolutely despise being forced to a
> web forum instead of leveraging my news reader to download and read/parse
> on my own time. RSS feeds kinda work, but not everyone uses them, nor do
> they allow you to respond easily. There are reasons why newsgroups in
> general haven't gone away with the advancement of things in the web. This
> would be one.
>
> --
> Nick W
> GamerTag: StalkerofHades
> nfwilson@nospam.hotmail.com
>
>
> "xTenn" <xtennremovethispart@tds.net> wrote in message
> news:1105731883@xtennremovethispart.tds.net...
>
>

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> We have already removed the other newsgroups the remaining 4 may also
> eventually be removed.
>
>

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> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in news:
> #c8eWoc#EHA.1400@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
>
> I'm sorry with the exception of your using Outlook Express I don't see any
> "official" microsoft owned domain nameservers showing up in your headers.
> a WHOIS lookup at NetworkSolutions show your Posting Host's IP
> 213.199.128.147 as coming from a company out of Amsterdam the Nederlands
> that doesn't belong to Microsoft.

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> Even though Microsoft might have started these "public" Usenet groups they
> are propagated on Usenet servera all over the internet and are not
> restricted soley to Microsofts own NNTP servers like the "alt.discuss"
> hierarchy for the Webtv service a number of years ago.

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> And, I won't be removing any groups that are active regardless.
>
> John Eddy
> Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator

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>
> "Joe Phillips" <littlejoeflubNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95E310226CBFlittlejoeflubyahooco@130.133.1.4...
>
> You might want to try another DNS search, like this one:
> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois...213.199.128.147
>
> The Whois search at www.networksolutions.com only directs you to the owner
> of the entire network block of 213.0.0..0 to 213.255.255.255. Microsoft
> Europe owns a subset of that domain, 213.199.128.0 - 213.199.143.255.
> This can be verified at http://www.ripe.net at the far less friendly usrl:
> http://www.ripe.net/fcgi-bin/whois?....x=8&submit.y=6
>
> Now, of course, my IP address doesn't map to a Microsoft owned IP address
> because I'm posting from home and not from the office. Feel free to doubt
> the veracity of my being from Microsoft if you want.
>
>
> Yes, they are propogated on Usenet servers are all over the Internet.
> Usenet also provides for the ability to remove newsgroups and many servers
> will honor rmgroup requests. Just as many servers won't. In fact, one of
> my goals is to get our rmgroup messages more up to snuff so that more
> servers will accept them.
>
> And, I won't be removing any groups that are active regardless.
>
> John Eddy
> Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator
>

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> So why the change?

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>
> So why the change?

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> Is it to get more people posting? It's nice to get on here and know
> that it actually works! The HTTP forums don't work very well and for
> some reason my spyware guard program keeps warning me of stuff trying
> to come onto my machine (it may be a bit paranoid, but it's nice to
> have).

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> Just curious, I find these newsgroups to be a great place to chat
> with other Halo "Patrons". The HTTP forums are just too slow, and are
> not designed very well, none of the HTTP forum scripts/programs are
> very good compated to NNTP. (in my opinion).

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> Is an NNTP server that much more to maintain than a HTTP server

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>
> So why the change?
>
> Is it to get more people posting? It's nice to get on here and know that
> it actually works! The HTTP forums don't work very well and for some
> reason my spyware guard program keeps warning me of stuff trying to come
> onto my machine (it may be a bit paranoid, but it's nice to have).
>
> Just curious, I find these newsgroups to be a great place to chat with
> other Halo "Patrons". The HTTP forums are just too slow, and are not
> designed very well, none of the HTTP forum scripts/programs are very good
> compated to NNTP. (in my opinion).
>
> Is an NNTP server that much more to maintain than a HTTP server (I thought
> it would cost less) or is MS trying to push more aspx onto my machine?
> Again, just curious.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> "John Eddy [MSFT]" <johneddy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23HYbgef$EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> This newsgroup is no longer a supported newsgroup by Microsoft. Please
> visit the official Xbox Forums at http://forums.xbox.com.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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> Microsoft wrote:
>
> Erm, who the freck are MS to say if these NG's get removed or not?!

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> Microsoft wrote:
>
> Erm, who the freck are MS to say if these NG's get removed or not?!

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> "bobby" <nom@ail.thanks> wrote in message
> news:cu7guo$ogk$5@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
>
>
>
> If you look at the newsgroup name you will see that they are under OUR
> hierarchy (microsoft.public.*) and as such we may create and remove groups
> as we see fit under our hierarchy.
>
>

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> It basically boils down to CONTROL, they have none here and ultimate
> control of the forums.

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> SINNER wrote:
>
>
> That's not true at all. They control the NNTP server for this newsgroup.
> They can easily ban IP and email addresses, and remove and edit posts all
> they want.
>
> My guess is that they just didn't want their employees using both forums,
> just to keep things simple. Since newsgroups are more obscure, they
> choose to focus on the web site.
>
> Of course, they could link the two together, but they probably don't see
> that as worthwhile.
>

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> SINNER wrote:
>
>
> That's not true at all.

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> They control the NNTP server for this
> newsgroup.

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> They can easily ban IP and email addresses, and remove
> and edit posts all they want.

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>
> My guess is that they just didn't want their employees using both
> forums, just to keep things simple. Since newsgroups are more
> obscure, they choose to focus on the web site.
>
> Of course, they could link the two together, but they probably
> don't see that as worthwhile.
>