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> Has anyone replaced a hard drive yet? If so how do I relock the new drive?
>
>

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> Has anyone replaced a hard drive yet? If so how do I relock the new drive?
>

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> Has anyone replaced a hard drive yet? If so how do I relock the new drive?
>
>

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> "R_Stark" <R_Stark@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23oeO3DNpEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> Be aware that changing your hard drive may prevent you from using that
> Xbox on Xbox Live.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "R_Stark" <R_Stark@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> That may be true but since MSFT don't seem to have installed hard drives
> that last longer than 2 years (which is outside the normal 1 yr warranty)
> it doesnt give people much of an option does it ?
>
> See my previous post on ERROR 7 if you are unsure what i mean.
>
> I am left in the position of having to explain to my son why he won't be
> able to play any games on his Xbox this christmas because it just stopped
> working.
> We're talking about a machine which has sat on the same entertainment
> centre for 2 years and all use of it has been supervised by an adult.
>
> Excellent microsoft - thanks.
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eERp8B60EHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> ROFL. It that were true, Xbox would be out of business.

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> Hi Ian Davidson (nospamformeplease@goaway.com),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || That may be true but since MSFT don't seem to have installed hard
> || drives that last longer than 2 years (which is outside the normal 1
> || yr warranty) it doesnt give people much of an option does it ?
>
> ROFL. It that were true, Xbox would be out of business.
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>

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> I'm happy for you that you find this amusing.Try telling it to my son.

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> Not amusing, but there are tons of Xbox users who haven't had hard drives
> go out. I have computer hard drives which are still running after about
> nine years now, while I've also had brand new drives go belly up within
> six months.
>
> Sometimes a light bulb will last years, and other times they last only a
> few months. Is that an incrimination of those manufacturers or industry
> too?
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Ian Davidson" <nospamformeplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:ewMD1990EHA.1124@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Hi Tuomas Salo (Tuomas@spam.fööbär.fi.INVALID),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] wrote:
> ||| ROFL. It that were true, Xbox would be out of business.
> ||
> || Well, MS already performed a similar feat with the Thomson DVD
> || drives...
>
> What about the millions of Xboxes that still have Thompson DVD drives that
> are still humming right along with no problems?

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> Hi Ian Davidson (nospamformeplease@goaway.com),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || No - you are correct and I agree with your point about some hard
> || drives being more equal than others. I have a PC beside me on which
> || i have three hard drives 2 of which are over 5 years old. I can
> || replace these without stopping the modem from working however.
> ||
> || I think you slightly missed my point
> ||
> || The point I was trying to make in this thread is that Microsoft are
> || saying ""warning changing your hard drive will make xbox live cease
> || to work"
> ||
> || You don't generally hear of light bulb manufacturers telling people
> || not to change broken lightbulbs at home because their telephone will
> || no longer work.
>
> Light bulbs don't normally affect EULA's. If you have a hard drive or
> cd-rom drive that fails, you can get it replaced by Microsoft and you will
> not violate your LIVE subscription.
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>

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> What about the millions of Xboxes that still have Thompson DVD drives that
> are still humming right along with no problems?

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> Yes - at a price that is almost as expensive as buying a new one.
> Not exactly an environmentally or wallet friendly idea though is it.
>
>
>
> "Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <bkvalheim@publishermvps.com> wrote in message
> news:%232Nv0d%230EHA.2572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Hi Ian Davidson (nospamformeplease@goaway.com),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || No - you are correct and I agree with your point about some hard
> || drives being more equal than others. I have a PC beside me on which
> || i have three hard drives 2 of which are over 5 years old. I can
> || replace these without stopping the modem from working however.
> ||
> || I think you slightly missed my point
> ||
> || The point I was trying to make in this thread is that Microsoft are
> || saying ""warning changing your hard drive will make xbox live cease
> || to work"
> ||
> || You don't generally hear of light bulb manufacturers telling people
> || not to change broken lightbulbs at home because their telephone will
> || no longer work.
>
> Light bulbs don't normally affect EULA's. If you have a hard drive or cd-rom
> drive that fails, you can get it replaced by Microsoft and you will not
> violate your LIVE subscription.
>

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> That may be true but since MSFT don't seem to have installed hard drives
> that last longer than 2 years (which is outside the normal 1 yr warranty)
> it doesnt give people much of an option does it ?
>
> See my previous post on ERROR 7 if you are unsure what i mean.
>
> I am left in the position of having to explain to my son why he won't be
> able to play any games on his Xbox this christmas because it just stopped
> working.
> We're talking about a machine which has sat on the same entertainment
> centre for 2 years and all use of it has been supervised by an adult.
>
> Excellent microsoft - thanks.
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eERp8B60EHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>

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>Does anyone know if you are able to replace the HDD with a working drive
>from another XBox without affecting you Live! account? I know it will
>void the warranty by opening the XBox, but in this case the XBox is
>already out of warrant so that's not an issue.

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>Do you honestly think that's a good justification for the abhorrently
>high number of Thomson drives with "Dirty Disc Errors"? MS is one of
>very few companies that could get away with this crap.

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> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:06:53 GMT, Nicholas Andrade
> <sdnick484@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> <x1Mpd.23880$zx1.19811@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Doing this will get you banned from being able to log into Xbox Live.
>
>

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> Come on, do not be completely daft - the evil empire does not pay you
> enough for that. Have some self-respect.

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> Hi Tuomas Salo (Tuomas@spam.fööbär.fi.INVALID),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] wrote:
> ||| ROFL. It that were true, Xbox would be out of business.
> ||
> || Well, MS already performed a similar feat with the Thomson DVD
> || drives...
>
> What about the millions of Xboxes that still have Thompson DVD drives that
> are still humming right along with no problems?
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>

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> Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] wrote:
>
> Do you honestly think that's a good justification for the abhorrently high
> number of Thomson drives with "Dirty Disc Errors"? MS is one of very few
> companies that could get away with this crap.

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> My Xbox has been numerous places, including upstairs, downstairs, in racks
> and out, even at friends houses being transported in the heat of summer
> and dead, snow-cold winter, and currently resides on the living room floor
> where it has been attacked numerous times by the vacuum cleaner. The hard
> drive is still fine after way more than two years.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Ian Davidson" <nospamformeplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:e1mn2s60EHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Hi Tuomas Salo (Tuomas@spam.fööbär.fi.INVALID),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] wrote:
> ||| ROFL. It that were true, Xbox would be out of business.
> ||
> || Well, MS already performed a similar feat with the Thomson DVD
> || drives...
>
> What about the millions of Xboxes that still have Thompson DVD drives that
> are still humming right along with no problems?
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>

quote:

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> Hi Tuomas Salo (Tuomas@spam.fööbär.fi.INVALID),
> in the newsgroups
> you posted:
>
> || Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] wrote:
> ||| ROFL. It that were true, Xbox would be out of business.
> ||
> || Well, MS already performed a similar feat with the Thomson DVD
> || drives...
>
> What about the millions of Xboxes that still have Thompson DVD drives that
> are still humming right along with no problems?
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>

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> Ian,
>
> I have an original Xbox release 2 months after the launch of the product
> that to date has had zero product issues - no error at all.
> I fail to see your point - if you modify your Xbox then by the EULA for

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> Live we may discontinue your access to this service because you are not
> connecting with an approved/known device that we can expect to be as

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> or as fair for playing as an unmodified Xbox,
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Ian Davidson" <nospamformeplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:e1mn2s60EHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
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>
>

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>Not amusing, but there are tons of Xbox users who haven't had hard drives go
>out. I have computer hard drives which are still running after about nine
>years now, while I've also had brand new drives go belly up within six
>months.
>
>Sometimes a light bulb will last years, and other times they last only a few
>months. Is that an incrimination of those manufacturers or industry too?

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>
> your an idiot, you could not possible find a thompson drive that hasn't
> had
> a problem. Ignorance is a sickness
>
>
>
> "Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <bkvalheim@publishermvps.com> wrote in message
> news:usohNn90EHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Tuomas Salo wrote:
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, you have NO idea what the failure rate is on those drives.

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> actually Adam, it is spells "you're" as in You are an idiot.
>
> and any electronic device can/may/will have flaws on various products that
> may or may not be related to the quality of the product. And how do you
> know that MS did not get a cheaper bid on a different DVD drive? thereby
> they would have switched vendors. I understand there were a lot of

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> but mine had ZERO until well after the Thompson drives were no longer

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> shipped.
>
> "Adam" <adam.anderson@ozonline.com.au> wrote in message
> news:eZp4SgO1EHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
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>
>

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> they did go the cheapest drive - thompson, thus being poor quality.
> so you have a thompson drive and have had no problems with it???
> punctuation/gramma was not the purpose of my post

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> your an idiot, you could not possible find a thompson drive that
> hasn't had a problem. Ignorance is a sickness

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> No, but its incredibly stupid that microsoft assumes that anyone who
> wishes to
> replace a broken out of warranty hard drive or put in a larger hard
> drive is
> planning on commiting piracy. WTF was MS thinking putting in a 8 gig
> hard
> drive and making that the only size that would work?

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> another words, mod your box, change your hdd, do what ever you like,
> and save more money by not playing LIVE
>
> I bought my box pretty soon after release too, payed 700 aus dollars,
> had 2 hdd failures, 1 fan failure, 2 dvd drive failures and a couple
> of tech support failures in their too.
> Quality stuff.

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> they may have realised they were a bad drive and thus there not
> shipped with thompson drives anymore but do not try and defend it
> when its undefendable, that pisses me off

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>Adam wrote:
>
>Haven't had one single problem with mine. NADA. Zero. None. Best quality
>console I have ever owned.

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> Adam wrote:
>
> Wasn't defending. Just stating the facts. There are MANY who do have
> Thompson Drives with no issues. I gave my son my older Xbox which has a
> Thompson Drive and it has ZERO...ZERO problems playing ANY games,

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> the latest ones.
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>

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> You don't honestly expect us to leave that one alone, do you? An
> unqualified statement needs a little context, so allow me to ask:

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>What
> other game consoles have you owned, and what problems have you had
> with them?

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>On that same subject, what problems have you had with your
> Xbox and how were they resolved?

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> I've owned one of every game console stretching back to the Atari
> 2600, and the only ones I haven't touched or opened up are the
> strange Japan- only machines like the NEC PC-FX and the Bandai
> Pippin. In my experience, the best quality hardware would have to be
> the Sega Saturn. Say what you want about Sega, but they knew how to
> put together a consortium for hardware manufacturing. Bulletproof JVC
> drive mechanisms were paired with high-quality Hitachi SH-series
> processors (which incidentally also appeared as the CPU in several
> Microsoft Palm-sized PC's and Pocket PC's.) And giving those
> contributors the right to release their own versions of the console
> was incentive to get the hardware done correctly.

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> I haven't opened up too many Xboxes, but they run about middle of the
> road compared to other consoles from what I've seen. The fact that
> the gear is based largely on PC architecture is both advantage and
> disadvantage; parts are easy to come by but you don't always know if
> they're compatible. The most common problem I've found is indeed in
> the DVD drives, where the laser goes out of alignment or its power
> settings drop out of spec. It's actually a very easy fix, since the
> potentiometer on the lens mechanism is easy to reach and simple to
> adjust. A quarter-turn one way or the other is sometimes all you need
> to fix those dirty-disc errors.

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> I'm not a licensed repair technician, but it's worth mentioning why
> people come to me for this kind of work... When you pay between $100
> and $150 for a video game console, it's not worth paying that same
> amount for repair. This is Gibson's law; you repair only when the
> cost does not exceed that of replacement. This is why people like
> Adam are so mad when components do fail, and there are so few repair
> options. And the fact that your own experience is different doesn't
> negate other people's misfortune. So please, try to have a little
> empathy if you can find it in yourself.

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> thompson drives that just blow away the amount of people that don't have
> problems"

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> but there are many many many more people who do and have problems with
> thompson drives that just blow away the amount of people that don't have
> problems. thats my point. have you tried playing dvd movies? I know there
> are some movies, ie. rocky collection confirmed by microsoft, that don't
> play on thompson drives but do on the other two because they are CRAP.
> M$ has a known list of movies that don't work on the thomp drv and its a
> large list.
>
> There has got to be some sort of quality case there, not providing a
> product
> that doesn't forfil its purpose.
>
>
>
> "Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <ic@ntellu.com> wrote in message
> news:uAIo8vX1EHA.3448@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> including
>
>

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> but there are many many many more people who do and have problems with
> thompson drives that just blow away the amount of people that don't
> have problems. thats my point. have you tried playing dvd movies? I
> know there are some movies, ie. rocky collection confirmed by
> microsoft, that don't play on thompson drives but do on the other two
> because they are CRAP.
> M$ has a known list of movies that don't work on the thomp drv and
> its a large list.

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>Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
>
>Nothing makes an opinion and personal experience unqualified.

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> In article <#aw7zGZ1EHA.2716@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
> Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] <ic@ntellu.com> wrote:
>
> The statement is unqualified, not the person. "I like ice cream" is an
> unqualified statement. "I like ice cream because it tastes good and I
> live in Wisconsin where there's a lot of dairy product to be had
> cheaply" is a qualified statement. In a world where data storage is
> measured in terabytes, it doesn't hurt to add a sentence or two to
> qualify statements of endorsement or criticism. Just wanted to throw
> that out there.

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> Adam wrote:
>
>
>
> Haven't had one single problem with mine. NADA. Zero. None. Best quality
> console I have ever owned.
>

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> (I have never owned a PS2).

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> Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
>
> Nothing makes an opinion and personal experience unqualified.
>
>
> PS2, SuperNintendo, ColecoVision, Intellivision, Atari 5200 and Atari
> 2600. PS2 gave/gives me disk errors. My Intellivision when through almost
> 6 controllers because of the numeric pads causing issues. Atari 5200 had a
> connection issue with the games I put in, as it took a few times to put
> the game in and out in order for the console to recognize it (was
> reproduced by Atari Service, but it would have cost me the price of the
> console to fix it). ColecoVision just stopped working after about 2 weeks,
> got it replaced under warranty right away however.
>
>
> More of a problem with me. I forgot to keep my old debit card information
> after switching banks, and when I went to buy content download for Rainbow
> Six 3 Black Arrow, I needed to update my debit card information...so I
> called 1-800-4MYXBOX and got the last four digits from support so that I
> could enter in my new debit card. Not a single problem with the Xbox.
>
>
> Sega Saturn was ahead of it's time. Great console indeed. As was the Atari
> Jaguar.
>
>
> Never had such issues on the two xboxes that i own. But good to know those
> details for down the road.
>
>
> Wasn't my intention. The problem I have is that I just find it completely
> ludicrous to make blanket statements such as "all Thompson drives are
> crap...or MS is screwing people over". Ones experience doesn't speak for
> all. And I don't make blanket statements with my experience...that is why
> I say, "in my experience". Now if I said "All Thompson Drives are
> perfect", THAT would be an unacceptable and FALSE blanket statement. Keep
> in mind, 8 out of 10 people will tell you about a bad restaurant
> experience, 2 out 10 will tell you if they had a good restaurant
> experience. You never hear from the other 8 that had a good experience.
> Same goes for these support forums. People go to the doctor when they are
> sick...similar to these forums...people come here when they have issues.
> You don't normally see people here when they don't have problems.
>
> BTW, with the prices of labor these days, not to mention the Xbox is a
> console that is losing money on it already, it's VERY common to see
> repairs EXCEED the price of the product. I see it every day. In addition,
> electronics are priced low because of mass assembly. When a repair falls
> out of warranty, standard labor fees and parts cannot meet the same
> pricing as initial production.
>
> But I agree, if the cost of repair is the same as or exceeds the original
> purchase price, it's time to just buy it new. Not Gibson's law....just the
> laws of common sense :0)
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> ~pay it forward~
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>

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> If that does happen, how do you get all your saves and what not off
> the Xbox? since the memory cards are not big enough to moves some
> games save files. (I don't know where it went, but I posted this
> question earlier, DOA was 2997 blocks and Tao Fang was 31xx something)

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>finndo wrote:
>
>Saves? I am probably screwed if the HD crashes. But if you have an HD crash
>and you have premium content and you send it to MS for repair, you will get
>to download premium content again without additional charge.

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> In article <ehW6Mzm1EHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] <ic@ntellu.com> wrote:
>
> There are other alternatives. The X-FAT directory structure is well
> documented, and there are several operating systems that support the
> mounting of drives using this format. For those who don't speak Linux
> or BSD, or who don't want to remove their hard drive, many standard
> USB memory devices operate on the Xbox after being formatted as a
> memory card. I happen to have a Lexar 32 meg USB dongle that slots
> into the Phantasy Star Online USB adapter and gives me tons of
> storage. Viking and PNY make similar products, but stay away from
> Sandisk (who outsource their signature products to unknown third
> parties) and never buy from Kingston (who use any excuse not to honor
> rebate agreements.)
>
> All these alternatives have the virtue of being much cheaper, byte for
> byte, than the official Xbox memory solutions. Build your own USB
> adapter out of an old controller cord and save even more.
>
> -KKC, who has a long list of people not to do business with. And the
> K-mart/Sears merger makes it much easier to avoid the both of them.

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> What is the price Xbox support quoted you?
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Ian Davidson" <nospamformeplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:uPkltJ$0EHA.1652@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Ian,
>
> I have an original Xbox release 2 months after the launch of the product
> that to date has had zero product issues - no error at all.
> I fail to see your point - if you modify your Xbox then by the EULA for
> Xbox Live we may discontinue your access to this service because you are
> not connecting with an approved/known device that we can expect to be as
> secure or as fair for playing as an unmodified Xbox,
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Ian Davidson" <nospamformeplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:e1mn2s60EHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> Ian,
>
> I have an original Xbox release 2 months after the launch of the product
> that to date has had zero product issues - no error at all.
> I fail to see your point - if you modify your Xbox then by the EULA for
> Xbox Live we may discontinue your access to this service because you are
> not connecting with an approved/known device that we can expect to be as
> secure or as fair for playing as an unmodified Xbox,
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "Ian Davidson" <nospamformeplease@goaway.com> wrote in message
> news:e1mn2s60EHA.3468@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>

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> In article <ehW6Mzm1EHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>,
> Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] <ic@ntellu.com> wrote:
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> There are other alternatives. The X-FAT directory structure is well
> documented, and there are several operating systems that support the
> mounting of drives using this format. For those who don't speak Linux or
> BSD, or who don't want to remove their hard drive, many standard USB
> memory devices operate on the Xbox after being formatted as a memory card.
> I happen to have a Lexar 32 meg USB dongle that slots into the Phantasy
> Star Online USB adapter and gives me tons of storage. Viking and PNY make
> similar products, but stay away from Sandisk (who outsource their
> signature products to unknown third parties) and never buy from Kingston
> (who use any excuse not to honor rebate agreements.)
>
> All these alternatives have the virtue of being much cheaper, byte for
> byte, than the official Xbox memory solutions. Build your own USB adapter
> out of an old controller cord and save even more.
>
> -KKC, who has a long list of people not to do business with. And the
> K-mart/Sears merger makes it much easier to avoid the both of them.
> --
> -- I was treated unfairly and without consideration by eBay - kendrick
> and Paypal. If you require independent testimony about - @io.com
> or corroboration of illegal or questionable business -
> practices by those two companies, please contact me. -

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>GMAN wrote:
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>It's a security issue. Microsoft wants the Xbox Live network to be a secure
>as possible.

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> In article <#K9DwuX1EHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, "Brian Kvalheim [MSFT
> MVP]"
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> But why limit the HD size to 8 gigs, You cant even find a 8 gig drive to
> replace it with if it fails anymore. Who the hell makes them for you as
> replacements at MS?