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| Xbox is out of stock everywhere. Why didn't they prepare for the holiday
season? This means a lot of lost sales. I know a few people who can't get
it so they are getting something else.
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| Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] 2004-12-21, 5:47 pm |
| Hi Bill (msgdev@hotmail.com),
in the newsgroups
you posted:
|| Xbox is out of stock everywhere. Why didn't they prepare for the
|| holiday season? This means a lot of lost sales. I know a few
|| people who can't get it so they are getting something else.
Both of my local BestBuys sold out of Xboxes this past weekend, but they
said they were getting another shipment tuesday (today) of Xboxes, so maybe
you should call your local electronics store to see when they expect their
next shipment.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
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| Jeff Fink 2004-12-21, 5:47 pm |
| "Bill" <msgdev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Xbox is out of stock everywhere. Why didn't they prepare for the holiday
> season? This means a lot of lost sales. I know a few people who can't
get
quote:
> it so they are getting something else.
Where's everywhere? They seem to have plenty at my local Walmart.
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| I called most Game stop's, Circuit city's, eb games, and best buy's in the
Philly area. I stopped calling after that.
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> "Bill" <msgdev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> get
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> Where's everywhere? They seem to have plenty at my local Walmart.
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| Chris H. 2004-12-21, 5:47 pm |
| Check with WalMart. The local supercenter here has them in stock.
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>I called most Game stop's, Circuit city's, eb games, and best buy's in the
>Philly area. I stopped calling after that.
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> "Jeff Fink" <jfinkjfink@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Also don't forget Toys R Us and Kay Bee Toys and Target.
Give those a try.
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>I called most Game stop's, Circuit city's, eb games, and
best buy's in the
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>Philly area. I stopped calling after that.
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>"Jeff Fink" <jfinkjfink@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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prepare for the holiday[vbcol=seagreen]
people who can't[vbcol=seagreen]
local Walmart.[vbcol=seagreen]
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2004-12-22, 12:46 am |
| In article <OwU6X255EHA.1632@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
Chris H. <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
>"Bill" <msgdev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:O1V%237v55EHA.1000@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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>Check with WalMart. The local supercenter here has them in stock.
This is just me, and it's a free market so you can shop where you want...
But I'd have to be pretty desperate before I'd buy anything from Wal-Mart.
Their policy on music and videos aside, the idea that they bully
manufacturers and distributors into cutting prices based solely on
Wal-Mart's market presence leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And is it
really worth undercutting their own employees (and putting illegal aliens
to work) just so they can price games a quarter less than the Target down
the street?
I'm thinking about picking up a second Xbox, but I'm willing to wait until
the supply is back to normal after the holidays. I think the fact that all
the other stores are sold out says something about American shopping
preferences, and that's a good thing. This is why competition is important
to a free market.
-KKC, who won't shop at Wal-Mart, who won't use eBay, and who won't ever
buy a game from Electronic Arts. Vote with your wallet.
--
-- I was treated unfairly and without consideration by eBay - kendrick
and Paypal. If you require independent testimony about - @io.com
or corroboration of illegal or questionable business -
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| Nicholas Andrade 2004-12-22, 12:46 am |
| Bill wrote:
quote:
> Xbox is out of stock everywhere. Why didn't they prepare for the holiday
> season? This means a lot of lost sales. I know a few people who can't get
> it so they are getting something else.
>
I noticed this as well; in fact most of the main vendors have been out
of stock online since the beginning of the month. I suggest trying
stores whose primary products aren't consumer electronics (eg. Sears,
Target, Walmart, etc.). I was able to find one at my local Game Crazy
(they're intertwined with Hollywood Video). Most of the places seem to
have Game Cube, but the PS2 seems to be tough to find as well.
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| In article <RZydnf-N88yOS1XcRVn-gA@io.com>, kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) wrote:
quote:
>In article <OwU6X255EHA.1632@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
>Chris H. <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>This is just me, and it's a free market so you can shop where you want...
>But I'd have to be pretty desperate before I'd buy anything from Wal-Mart.
>Their policy on music and videos aside, the idea that they bully
>manufacturers and distributors into cutting prices based solely on
>Wal-Mart's market presence leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And is it
>really worth undercutting their own employees (and putting illegal aliens
>to work) just so they can price games a quarter less than the Target down
>the street?
>
>I'm thinking about picking up a second Xbox, but I'm willing to wait until
>the supply is back to normal after the holidays. I think the fact that all
>the other stores are sold out says something about American shopping
>preferences, and that's a good thing. This is why competition is important
>to a free market.
>
>-KKC, who won't shop at Wal-Mart, who won't use eBay, and who won't ever
>buy a game from Electronic Arts. Vote with your wallet.
You could shop at CompUSA but its a wholly Mexican owned company.
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| Tuomas Salo 2004-12-22, 6:47 am |
| GMAN wrote:
quote:
> You could shop at CompUSA but its a wholly Mexican owned company.
So what's wrong with owning a company?
Tuomas
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| Reply to message from kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) (Tue, 21 Dec
2004 22:04:03) about ""Re: Out of stock"":
k> -KKC, who won't shop at Wal-Mart, who won't use eBay, and who won't
k> ever buy a game from Electronic Arts. Vote with your wallet.
k> --
k> -- I was treated unfairly and without consideration by eBay - kendrick
k> and Paypal. If you require independent testimony about - @io.com or
k> corroboration of illegal or questionable business - practices by those
k> two companies, please contact me. -
Your tagline size is apparently inversely proportional to your consumer
options, and given the growing breadth of the post's epilog your choices
are certainly sporting a negative trend ... perhaps it is the viewpoint
that is the common thread?
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| alphamale213@hotmail.com 2004-12-22, 5:47 pm |
| I know I saw that Toys r Us was advertising Game Cubes in last week's
ad, they'll probably have xboxes too. They have a big selection og
gaming stuff.
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2004-12-22, 5:47 pm |
| In article <1103737041@xtennremovethispart.tds.net>,
xTenn <xtennremovethispart@tds.net> wrote:
quote:
>Reply to message from kendrick@io.com (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) (Tue, 21 Dec
>2004 22:04:03) about ""Re: Out of stock"":
>
> k> -KKC, who won't shop at Wal-Mart, who won't use eBay, and who won't
> k> ever buy a game from Electronic Arts. Vote with your wallet.
>
>Your tagline size is apparently inversely proportional to your consumer
>options, and given the growing breadth of the post's epilog your choices
>are certainly sporting a negative trend ... perhaps it is the viewpoint
>that is the common thread?
Never let it be said that I'm not big enough to admit when I don't
understand something. So, I don't understand something... I get that you
disagree with part of my statement, but I'm not sure what part or what
your counter argument. Are you saying that I don't have as many consumer
choices as I think I do, and that I'm limiting myself? Or are you saying
that I have a negative viewpoint about too many companies (without knowing
what I think about other competitors of said organizations) and therefore
am predisposed to dislike retailers? Or are you saying that you agree with
me? I'm not sure what it is you're trying to communicate here.
This much is not in dispute: It's a free market and a free society, and
people can shop where they want and endorse whomever they want. But
anybody who sees fit to endorse Wal-Mart in a public forum will see a
polite but firm dissenting viewpoint from me. Until they clean up their
act and make good on previous offenses, I'm going to do everything I can
to discourage people from shopping at Wal-Mart. Again, that's just my own
point of view and you're free to disagree.
-KKC, who never would have guessed that Gwen Stefani was a fan of 'Fiddler
on the Roof.' I'm Chinese, and I look more Jewish than she does. 
--
-- I was treated unfairly and without consideration by eBay - kendrick
and Paypal. If you require independent testimony about - @io.com
or corroboration of illegal or questionable business -
practices by those two companies, please contact me. -
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"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:jpmdnV64g6w_TVTcRVn-qw@io.com...
quote:
> In article <1103737041@xtennremovethispart.tds.net>,
> xTenn <xtennremovethispart@tds.net> wrote:
>
> Never let it be said that I'm not big enough to admit when I don't
> understand something. So, I don't understand something... I get that you
> disagree with part of my statement, but I'm not sure what part or what
> your counter argument. Are you saying that I don't have as many consumer
> choices as I think I do, and that I'm limiting myself? Or are you saying
> that I have a negative viewpoint about too many companies (without knowing
> what I think about other competitors of said organizations) and therefore
> am predisposed to dislike retailers? Or are you saying that you agree with
> me? I'm not sure what it is you're trying to communicate here.
>
> This much is not in dispute: It's a free market and a free society, and
> people can shop where they want and endorse whomever they want. But
> anybody who sees fit to endorse Wal-Mart in a public forum will see a
> polite but firm dissenting viewpoint from me. Until they clean up their
> act and make good on previous offenses, I'm going to do everything I can
> to discourage people from shopping at Wal-Mart. Again, that's just my own
> point of view and you're free to disagree.
>
All the above (great writeup - I can tell you have spent some time thinking
about it) plus I am wondering exactly how big your tagline could grow if
Kroger stops having double coupon day... ;)
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2004-12-22, 5:47 pm |
| In article <#jWdVWG6EHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
xTenn <xTennRemovePart@tds.net> wrote:
quote:
>"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@io.com> wrote in message
>news:jpmdnV64g6w_TVTcRVn-qw@io.com...
<<snip>>[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>All the above (great writeup - I can tell you have spent some time thinking
>about it) plus I am wondering exactly how big your tagline could grow if
>Kroger stops having double coupon day... ;)
Ah, you're just baiting me even though you agree with me. Never mind then.
But in my defense, let me say this... You may think I take the idea of
boycotting a retailer too seriously. But a free market is like any other
part of a free society, it only works if we participate. If you just take
whatever they put in front of you, then you deserve everything that you
get. Ask California how much they like deregulated electricity, or ask the
people who invested in WorldCom how much they like the Internet backbone.
-KKC, who decided to get a second Xbox from Electronics Boutique. Business
model I can get behind, good support for legacy systems, nice in-store
warranty policy, no consistent history of employee abuse. Do other people
not think of these things when they shop? That's kinda like voting for the
candidate with the best hair, isn't it?
--
-- I was treated unfairly and without consideration by eBay - kendrick
and Paypal. If you require independent testimony about - @io.com
or corroboration of illegal or questionable business -
practices by those two companies, please contact me. -
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| Andrew 2004-12-23, 12:46 am |
|
"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:RZydnf-N88yOS1XcRVn-gA@io.com...
quote:
>
> This is just me, and it's a free market so you can shop where you want...
Thank you.
quote:
> But I'd have to be pretty desperate before I'd buy anything from Wal-Mart.
> Their policy on music and videos aside, the idea that they bully
Wal mart forces vendors to produce a 'Walmart' version. Something more
family oriented. (No blood, sex, etc.). That is why I don't buy any
software, music, or vidieos from them.
quote:
> manufacturers and distributors into cutting prices based solely on
> Wal-Mart's market presence leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And is it
> really worth undercutting their own employees (and putting illegal aliens
> to work) just so they can price games a quarter less than the Target down
> the street?
The reason people in the store work for nothing is because they didn't
bother to get an education or any training at all. They think that minimum
wage will pay their bills. I don't feel sorry for them at all. It was their
choice.
BTW, I think that Microsoft is running Xbox out of stock so it can empty
their warehouses and then sell Xbox2. Who would buy an Xbox if Xbox2 is on
the market? Just MHO
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| xTenn 2004-12-23, 12:46 am |
|
"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:kPudna8195D9cFTcRVn-tA@io.com...
quote:
> In article <#jWdVWG6EHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
> xTenn <xTennRemovePart@tds.net> wrote:
>
> Ah, you're just baiting me even though you agree with me. Never mind then.
>
> But in my defense, let me say this... You may think I take the idea of
> boycotting a retailer too seriously. But a free market is like any other
> part of a free society, it only works if we participate. If you just take
> whatever they put in front of you, then you deserve everything that you
> get. Ask California how much they like deregulated electricity, or ask the
> people who invested in WorldCom how much they like the Internet backbone.
>
Perhaps I am confident that I am going to make up my own mind about my
consumer support(and participation therein) that I do not find it necessary
to defend myself. If you feel you need to do so then that is perfectly
okay...
I am not trying to bait you, sorry if you interpret it that way.
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| Kendrick Kerwin Chua 2004-12-23, 12:46 am |
| In article <z0nyd.10$CH5.3@fed1read01>, Andrew <sde@oppo.com> wrote:
quote:
>"Kendrick Kerwin Chua" <kendrick@io.com> wrote in message
>news:RZydnf-N88yOS1XcRVn-gA@io.com...
>
>Thank you.
Hey, just recognizing free will and independent thought. Usenet is a forum
for discussion, not persuasion. Anyway...
quote:
>
>Wal mart forces vendors to produce a 'Walmart' version. Something more
>family oriented. (No blood, sex, etc.). That is why I don't buy any
>software, music, or vidieos from them.
And more power to you for that. I'm doing everything I can to support
brands and manufacturers who don't bend over just to please Wal-Mart.
quote:
>
>The reason people in the store work for nothing is because they didn't
>bother to get an education or any training at all. They think that minimum
>wage will pay their bills. I don't feel sorry for them at all. It was their
>choice.
As much as I dislike the company, even I feel that this is something of an
unfair generalization. Even if someone lacks an education or specialized
skills, every American citizen deserves honest work. That's work they
deserve, not charity. But the only thing I can add to your statement there
is that it's well documented how Wal-Mart squeezes out smaller competitors
just by virtue of sheer volume. Even when there are no other employers, a
regional monopoly is no way to justify poor treatment of labor.
quote:
>BTW, I think that Microsoft is running Xbox out of stock so it can empty
>their warehouses and then sell Xbox2. Who would buy an Xbox if Xbox2 is on
>the market? Just MHO
Oh wait, here's the on-topic content. I don't think the Xbox supply
shortage is anything intentional or devious, even if the facts fit the
theory. I just think that there's a lot of disposable income this holiday
season that's not being spent on travel or competing media. To me, the
shortage is just an indicator of unexpected demand. Video games are bigger
sellers this year than they've ever been, just by virtue of mainstream
acceptance. Gone are the days of the surly Sears clerk with his nose in
the air, telling me with a snort that video games are to be found in the
children's section of the store. :/
-KKC, happily digging on SVC Chaos. 2-D fighting games live on...
--
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| Leo Johnson 2004-12-23, 6:46 am |
| Andrew wrote:
quote:
> Wal mart forces vendors to produce a 'Walmart' version. Something more
> family oriented. (No blood, sex, etc.). That is why I don't buy any
> software, music, or vidieos from them.
>
Same here. I also avoid Kmart for the same reason. I just find the
"family orientation" at Walmart to be hypocritical given their other
business practices.
quote:
>
> The reason people in the store work for nothing is because they didn't
> bother to get an education or any training at all. They think that
> minimum wage will pay their bills. I don't feel sorry for them at all.
> It was their choice.
And what about people like me, who have a college education, through no
fault of my own, other than the economy going in the tank, having family
in the state I was born in that is/was dependant on me, and unable to
find a job in my field after being laid off. While I didn't get hired
by Wal-mart I was hired by another large retailer, though more localized
to the Northern Mid-west, Meijer. Pretty much all discount department
store chains pay crap. But I took my crap pay until I could find a job
that paid better. It beat having to live on the street, which I was
still close to doing, and am now two years later finally almost digging
myself out of debt. In that time period, I had to sell my house, settle
for a car that I didn't want, eat nothing but ramen noodles and rice til
the proliferation of the dollar menu, and do without alot of what most
people take for granted. Working at Wal-mart is not necessarily a
choice. It's business practices like Wal-mart's that force other
companies who paid more and treated their employees better to close
their doors. The only thing I will somewhat credit walmart with is that
they employ people that don't have alot of options due to being
Handicapped, or elderly and can't do much else other than be a greeter,
due to their physical limitations.
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| Andrew 2004-12-24, 12:46 am |
|
"Leo Johnson" <leo@voyager.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>
> Same here. I also avoid Kmart for the same reason. I just find the
> "family orientation" at Walmart to be hypocritical given their other
> business practices.
What does Wal-Mart do different than any other discount chain? Your elected
officials thought it was a great idea when they (you) voted them in.
I didn't know that Kmart forces a change in a product. Is that true?
quote:
>
> And what about people like me, who have a college education, through no
> fault of my own, other than the economy going in the tank, having family
Just out of curiosity, what do you have a degree in that prevented you from
moving sideways or just a step down in the income department? The papers are
filled with jobs, and I assumed you've been net-working with your peers?
quote:
> in the state I was born in that is/was dependant on me, and unable to find
> a job in my field after being laid off. While I didn't get hired
Maybe you should have taken into account your own employability when
choosing your field of education?
quote:
> by Wal-mart I was hired by another large retailer, though more localized
> to the Northern Mid-west, Meijer. Pretty much all discount department
> store chains pay crap. But I took my crap pay until I could find a job
All retail generally pays nothing. Think of a retail worker as a high school
or maybe a college kid helping to pay his tuition. I simply can't understand
why people think flipping burgers should be a way to pay for the upkeep of a
family, and the real workers should pay the difference.
quote:
> that paid better. It beat having to live on the street, which I was
I see you don't plan your finances practically well. That's not my fault.
Nor do I feel any obligation to pay for you.
quote:
> still close to doing, and am now two years later finally almost digging
> myself out of debt. In that time period, I had to sell my house, settle
> for a car that I didn't want, eat nothing but ramen noodles and rice til
> the proliferation of the dollar menu, and do without alot of what most
Sniff, sniff.
quote:
> people take for granted. Working at Wal-mart is not necessarily a choice.
> It's business practices like Wal-mart's that force other companies who
> paid more and treated their employees better to close their doors. The
> only thing I will somewhat credit walmart with is that they employ people
> that don't have alot of options due to being
The compettion is now world wide. Why do you think Japan can make a car,
ship it 4-5000 miles and it is a better and cheaper product than Detroit can
make? Could it be that some union idiot gets $30/hour for putting on lug
nuts whose actual cost is only $5/hr? He can 'say' he gets $30/hr, but he's
out of work and his union forbids him to work for what lug installers make.
quote:
> Handicapped, or elderly and can't do much else other than be a greeter,
> due to their physical limitations.
Actually the government (that's you) pays for it.
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| Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] 2004-12-24, 12:46 am |
| Andrew wrote:
quote:
> The compettion is now world wide. Why do you think Japan can make a
> car, ship it 4-5000 miles and it is a better and cheaper product than
> Detroit can make? Could it be that some union idiot gets $30/hour for
> putting on lug nuts whose actual cost is only $5/hr? He can 'say' he
> gets $30/hr, but he's out of work and his union forbids him to work
> for what lug installers make.
I agreed with everything up to this paragraph. I feel that Detroit makes a
better car than the japanese.
--
Brian Kvalheim
Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
Windows Marketplace Moderator
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
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| Chris H. 2004-12-24, 12:46 am |
| LOL! Have to laugh, Brian, because if you're a Ford or Chevy man the
engines are made in Canada. Not saying the U.S. makes bad cars, but if you
want a real motor machine, you do need to look to Porsche, Ferrari or
Lamborghini - none of which are manufactured in the U.S. Gee whiz, Xbox
manufacturing is done in Mexico. 8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
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quote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>
> I agreed with everything up to this paragraph. I feel that Detroit makes a
> better car than the japanese.
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> Windows Marketplace Moderator
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
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| Leo Johnson 2004-12-24, 12:46 am |
| Andrew wrote:
quote:
>
> "Leo Johnson" <leo@voyager.net> wrote in message
> news:u90qzPO6EHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> What does Wal-Mart do different than any other discount chain? Your
> elected officials thought it was a great idea when they (you) voted them
> in.
And the fact that the people i have voted for don't always get elected
is my fault because?
quote:
>
> I didn't know that Kmart forces a change in a product. Is that true?
>
Kmart at least at one point was only selling the edited versions of cd's
quote:
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, what do you have a degree in that prevented you
> from moving sideways or just a step down in the income department? The
> papers are filled with jobs, and I assumed you've been net-working with
> your peers?
>
I have a degree in Microbiology. I worked in my field about ten years,
then got laid off twice in about a year and a half. Pretty much in
michigan, if ya aint working for the auto industry in the sciences, ya
ain't working in the sciences.
quote:
>
>
> Maybe you should have taken into account your own employability when
> choosing your field of education?
gee i worked ten years in my field, sounds employable to me. but when
the auto industry is hurting so are it's supplemental jobs, like people
who test to make sure things like the fluids used in manufacture, aren't
breaking down prematurely due to bacteria and fungus.
quote:
>
>
>
> All retail generally pays nothing. Think of a retail worker as a high
> school or maybe a college kid helping to pay his tuition. I simply can't
> understand why people think flipping burgers should be a way to pay for
> the upkeep of a family, and the real workers should pay the difference.
It's not like I chose retail, it was what was available when my
unemployment ran out, and I hadn't found a job in my degree field.
quote:
>
>
>
>
> I see you don't plan your finances practically well. That's not my
> fault. Nor do I feel any obligation to pay for you.
Who asked you to pay for me. I didn't collect anything but my
unemployment. I got nothing from anyone as a handout, except maybe some
friends who helped here and there.
quote:
>
>
>
> Sniff, sniff.
>
>
>
> The compettion is now world wide. Why do you think Japan can make a car,
> ship it 4-5000 miles and it is a better and cheaper product than Detroit
> can make? Could it be that some union idiot gets $30/hour for putting on
> lug nuts whose actual cost is only $5/hr? He can 'say' he gets $30/hr,
> but he's out of work and his union forbids him to work for what lug
> installers make.
>
I am not arguing with you there, I think the unions have big time priced
themselves out of a job. Funny only time I was ever a union employee
was when it was a mandatory condition of my employement at Meijer.
quote:
>
>
And how are we paying for it. Yes I know businesses get tax breaks for
employing people who are physically unable to do much else, but if they
didn't many of said businesses would find another way for a tax break.
quote:
>
> Actually the government (that's you) pays for it.
>
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| xTenn 2004-12-24, 12:46 am |
| Reply to message from "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> (Thu, 23 Dec 2004
21:23:10) about ""Re: Out of stock"":
CH> LOL! Have to laugh, Brian, because if you're a Ford or Chevy man the
CH> engines are made in Canada.
You seem to forget about Ford's engine plant#2, in Cleveland. You know,
where the porsche killing hurricane V8 engines are slated to be built,
among other more docile engines currently manufactured...
And GM just announced this month of a $300 million expansion to their Flint
South engine plant.
CH> Not
CH> saying the U.S. makes bad cars, but if you want a real motor machine,
CH> you do need to look to Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini - none of which
CH> are manufactured in the U.S. Gee whiz, Xbox manufacturing is done in
CH> Mexico.
CH> 8-)
Some of the "real machines" you mention do not even have weatherstripping
they are babied so much. Show me a real car that has most of its original
parts after 200k miles of daily beating in rain, snow, ice, grocery carts
and more and I will show you engineering. Not to mention that some of the
grocery getters manufactured today are getting slalom times and lateral g
forces approaching that of the supercars of the recent past. Tomorrow's
"muscle" car is an efficient, green friendly technological marvel with fun
and durability in mind, and American companies are poised better than any
other to deliver that in the none too distant future.
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| Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] 2004-12-24, 5:47 pm |
| Chris H. wrote:
quote:
> LOL! Have to laugh, Brian, because if you're a Ford or Chevy man the
> engines are made in Canada. Not saying the U.S. makes bad cars, but
> if you want a real motor machine, you do need to look to Porsche,
> Ferrari or Lamborghini - none of which are manufactured in the U.S. Gee
> whiz, Xbox manufacturing is done in Mexico. 8-)
Sorry Chris, but that is not entirely true. MANY engines are still being
made here in the U.S. and they are expanding their engine plants in the U.S.
As for your Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini, I will take the 2006 Corvette
Z06 built by Chevrolet. The LS7 engine is hand built here in the US of A
sporting 512 unrated horsepower, 500ft.lbs of torque with a 0-60 rating of
3.5 seconds and tops speed exceeding 200mph for $60,000 and can easily keep
up with the cars you mention which are up to 4 times the price. Spank you
very much 
--
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Microsoft Publisher MVP
http://www.publishermvps.com
Windows Marketplace Moderator
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| Chris H. 2004-12-24, 5:47 pm |
| LOL! Did you see the Italian highway patrols have gone to some Lamborghini
vehicles? They do 0-60 in under four seconds. So far, according to the
television news, no one has attempted to run away from one.
Happy Holidays!
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <ic@ntellu.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Sorry Chris, but that is not entirely true. MANY engines are still being
> made here in the U.S. and they are expanding their engine plants in the
> U.S. As for your Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini, I will take the 2006
> Corvette Z06 built by Chevrolet. The LS7 engine is hand built here in the
> US of A sporting 512 unrated horsepower, 500ft.lbs of torque with a 0-60
> rating of 3.5 seconds and tops speed exceeding 200mph for $60,000 and can
> easily keep up with the cars you mention which are up to 4 times the
> price. Spank you very much 
> --
> Brian Kvalheim
> Microsoft Publisher MVP
> http://www.publishermvps.com
> Windows Marketplace Moderator
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
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| Daniel Cayea {325956} 2004-12-26, 5:47 pm |
| Jeep with 278k miles and still kicking.
"xTenn" <xtennremovethispart@tds.net> wrote in message
news:1103875945@xtennremovethispart.tds.net...
quote:
> Reply to message from "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> (Thu, 23 Dec 2004
> 21:23:10) about ""Re: Out of stock"":
>
> CH> LOL! Have to laugh, Brian, because if you're a Ford or Chevy man the
> CH> engines are made in Canada.
>
>
> You seem to forget about Ford's engine plant#2, in Cleveland. You know,
> where the porsche killing hurricane V8 engines are slated to be built,
> among other more docile engines currently manufactured...
>
> And GM just announced this month of a $300 million expansion to their
> Flint
> South engine plant.
>
> CH> Not
> CH> saying the U.S. makes bad cars, but if you want a real motor machine,
> CH> you do need to look to Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini - none of which
> CH> are manufactured in the U.S. Gee whiz, Xbox manufacturing is done in
> CH> Mexico.
> CH> 8-)
>
> Some of the "real machines" you mention do not even have weatherstripping
> they are babied so much. Show me a real car that has most of its original
> parts after 200k miles of daily beating in rain, snow, ice, grocery carts
> and more and I will show you engineering. Not to mention that some of the
> grocery getters manufactured today are getting slalom times and lateral g
> forces approaching that of the supercars of the recent past. Tomorrow's
> "muscle" car is an efficient, green friendly technological marvel with fun
> and durability in mind, and American companies are poised better than any
> other to deliver that in the none too distant future.
| |
| Chris H. 2004-12-26, 5:47 pm |
| I've got a '95 Grand Cherokee LTD with about 95,000 on it. Our "luxury"
vehicle is a 2002 Windstar van. 8-)
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Daniel Cayea {325956}" <dpcayealmc@westelcom.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Jeep with 278k miles and still kicking.
>
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| Andrew 2004-12-26, 5:47 pm |
|
"Daniel Cayea {325956}" <dpcayealmc@westelcom.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Jeep with 278k miles and still kicking.
Mercedes diesel - At 350,000mi 2 years ago, the speedometer broke.
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| Daniel Cayea {325956} 2004-12-27, 12:46 am |
| So Chris
I bought an XBOX though my Dell EPP connection and its on backorder, think
they'll actually fulfill it or stiff me and tell me tough?
-D
"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> I've got a '95 Grand Cherokee LTD with about 95,000 on it. Our "luxury"
> vehicle is a 2002 Windstar van. 8-)
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Daniel Cayea {325956}" <dpcayealmc@westelcom.com> wrote in message
> news:41cf1e4e$0$19033$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com...
>
>
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| Chris H. 2004-12-27, 12:46 am |
| Haven't a clue. Honestly. 8-)
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Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Daniel Cayea {325956}" <dpcayealmc@westelcom.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> So Chris
>
> I bought an XBOX though my Dell EPP connection and its on backorder, think
> they'll actually fulfill it or stiff me and tell me tough?
>
> -D
>
> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O8Mr%23W56EHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>
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| Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP] 2004-12-27, 9:46 am |
| Hi Chris H. (winxpnews@hotmail.com),
in the newsgroups
you posted:
|| LOL! Did you see the Italian highway patrols have gone to some
|| Lamborghini vehicles? They do 0-60 in under four seconds. So far,
|| according to the television news, no one has attempted to run away
|| from one.
||
|| Happy Holidays!
Happy Holiday's to you too!
--
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Microsoft Publisher MVP
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~pay it forward~
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|
| >Did you see the Italian highway patrols have gone to some Lamborghini
quote:
>vehicles? They do 0-60 in under four seconds. So far, according to the
> television news, no one has attempted to run away from one.
No need to run just drive your Cadillac Escalade straight in to it. The
Lamborghini will be in pieces.
Back to Wal-Mart, the only reason I don't go there is because the clientele
is trailer trash and hood rats and it is impossible to get a good parking
spot. I much rather pay a few extra bucks somewhere else to have a pleasant
shopping experience.
"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> LOL! Did you see the Italian highway patrols have gone to some
> Lamborghini vehicles? They do 0-60 in under four seconds. So far,
> according to the television news, no one has attempted to run away from
> one.
>
> Happy Holidays!
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "Brian Kvalheim [MSFT MVP]" <ic@ntellu.com> wrote in message
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