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| Radeon350 2004-11-26, 5:47 pm |
| 26 November 2004 by Johnny Minkley
Tecmo president Junji Nakamura launched a fierce attack on Sony's
strategy for PS3 this week, slamming an apparent dearth of information
available to third-parties, while commending Microsoft on its relative
openness with Xbox 2.
"There's not much information from Sony (about PS3) the situation
with Microsoft is very different," Mr Nakamura told a conference in
Japan. "Microsoft should be able to use its experience of the current
machine's failure to succeed, even in Japan."
But while these comments were met with little surprise, given the Dead
or Alive publisher's current favouritism towards Xbox, further
investigations by MCV have revealed a nascent and widespread concern
over Sony's next-gen plans - leading some of the biggest players in
the business to reassess where their loyalties lie.
"There is a lot of uncertainty amongst Japanese companies that Sony is
unsure of what direction to take with PS3," said a senior figure at a
major Japanese developer and publisher. "Everyone's business model has
traditionally been built around Sony hardware, but given the lack of
info, people are nervous about putting all of their eggs in one
basket."
Highlighting the difference in approach between Microsoft and Sony,
the source added: "If we ask Sony technical questions, we don't hear
back for four-to-six weeks; Microsoft answers (Xbox 2) queries there
and then."
What will be of most concern to Sony is that an apparently groundswell
of support for Xbox 2 emerged between Japanese companies at Tokyo Game
Show: "The vibe between most of the major parties was: Is PlayStation
such a safe bet? Maybe we should take Xbox 2 more seriously'," the
source added.
These feelings were echoed by a source at a separate Japanese games
company, another strong Sony supporter, who said: "With Microsoft
there's a clearer indication of what's going on Sony is being
sketchy about a lot of things. We're now planning joint releases on
PS3 and Xbox 2 for next-gen, where we have always lead on PlayStation
hardware in the past."
http://www.mcvuk.com/html/news/story.jsp?newsId=1929387
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| dementia 2004-11-26, 5:47 pm |
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"Radeon350" <Radeon350@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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blah... blah.... blah.....blah...... blah.......here we go with the same ole
bullshit.
MS will gain on Sony in the next gen release but make no mistake, Sony will
remain on top.
Think about it, that's a good thing! MS is just going to keep coming on
stronger and stronger until they topple Sony (if they can). Sony wont lose
"any" developer support because they will remain the industry leader and
that's where the money is to be made.
Also, don't forget, Sony most likely will have the more powerful system tah
boot since it's coming out a year later. MS is the one that is taking a
chance here. Remember Sega?
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| Android 2004-11-26, 5:47 pm |
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"Radeon350" <Radeon350@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> 26 November 2004 by Johnny Minkley
>
> Tecmo president Junji Nakamura launched a fierce attack on Sony's
> strategy for PS3 this week, slamming an apparent dearth of information
> available to third-parties, while commending Microsoft on its relative
> openness with Xbox 2.
[SNIP]
This was the same thing that Tecmo pulled with the first Xbox--criticizing
the PS2, claiming that third-parties were being left out of the loop,
announcing DOA3 as an Xbox exclusive...and then watching as the PS2 outsold
the Xbox 5 to 1. Oddworld Inhabitants did the same thing hoping to get a
better deal with Microsoft, but after Munch's Oddysee didn't sell very well,
their next project will no longer be an Xbox exclusive.
You'll notice that these "concerns" aren't coming from EA, Activision,
Rockstar, or any other bigger publishers...just the second-tier ones. That
tells you a lot--they are just "fishing" for an exclusivity deal! The next
generation battle between PS3 and Xbox2 may be close, but most think that it
is Sony's battle to lose. It is far too early to determine whether or not
they will lose it, and none of this pre-launch "doom and gloom" predictions
from second-rate publishers is going to matter in the long run.
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| Eiji Hayashi 2004-11-27, 12:47 am |
| Radeon350@yahoo.com (Radeon350) wrote in message news:<ab1f5a92.0411261155.6c9251cc@posting.google.com>...
quote:
> But while these comments were met with little surprise, given the Dead
> or Alive publisher's current favouritism towards Xbox, further
> investigations by MCV have revealed a nascent and widespread concern
> over Sony's next-gen plans - leading some of the biggest players in
> the business to reassess where their loyalties lie.
>
> "There is a lot of uncertainty amongst Japanese companies that Sony is
> unsure of what direction to take with PS3," said a senior figure at a
> major Japanese developer and publisher. "Everyone's business model has
> traditionally been built around Sony hardware, but given the lack of
> info, people are nervous about putting all of their eggs in one
> basket."
>
> Highlighting the difference in approach between Microsoft and Sony,
> the source added: "If we ask Sony technical questions, we don't hear
> back for four-to-six weeks; Microsoft answers (Xbox 2) queries there
> and then."
>
> What will be of most concern to Sony is that an apparently groundswell
> of support for Xbox 2 emerged between Japanese companies at Tokyo Game
> Show: "The vibe between most of the major parties was: ?Is PlayStation
> such a safe bet? Maybe we should take Xbox 2 more seriously'," the
> source added.
>
> These feelings were echoed by a source at a separate Japanese games
> company, another strong Sony supporter, who said: "With Microsoft
> there's a clearer indication of what's going on ? Sony is being
> sketchy about a lot of things. We're now planning joint releases on
> PS3 and Xbox 2 for next-gen, where we have always lead on PlayStation
> hardware in the past."
>
> http://www.mcvuk.com/html/news/story.jsp?newsId=1929387
Really.. is there really a "nascent and widespread concern over Sony's
next-gen plans"? is there really "groundswell of support for Xbox 2"
in Japan? Well we shall see soon enough won't we. Just who are these
"voice of dissent" out there? is this really a prelude to the future
or baseless speculation?
Ultimately, Japanese developers will go where Japanese consumers go
for the most part, whatever they may like or dislike, whatever "bad
vibe" they may have. The end numbers is all that matters. I for one
remains skeptical of MS's chances in that region. If you believe what
this guy is saying? and that there is dissent among Japanese
developers, why don't we make a little friendly wager? 100 bucks say
the XBOX2 sells less than 500K units in the first year in Japan. Note
that this is still significantly better than the original XBOX. When
that happens, we shall see how many of these "dissenting voices" put
their money where their mouth is and what percentage of their library
they put on the platform.
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| Paul Smith 2004-11-27, 12:47 am |
| "Radeon350" <Radeon350@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> 26 November 2004 by Johnny Minkley
>
> Tecmo president Junji Nakamura launched a fierce attack on Sony's
> strategy for PS3 this week, slamming an apparent dearth of information
> available to third-parties, while commending Microsoft on its relative
> openness with Xbox 2.
> "There's not much information from Sony (about PS3) - the situation
> with Microsoft is very different," Mr Nakamura told a conference in
> Japan. "Microsoft should be able to use its experience of the current
> machine's failure to succeed, even in Japan."
Bit on the slow side, www.xbox2portal.com has had this story up for ages.
--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
http://www.dasmirnov.net/
http://windows.dasmirnov.net/ Windows XP Resource Site.
*Replace nospam with smirnov to reply by e-mail*
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| Andrew Ryan Chang 2004-11-27, 12:47 am |
| Android <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote:
quote:
>This was the same thing that Tecmo pulled with the first Xbox--criticizing
>the PS2, claiming that third-parties were being left out of the loop,
>announcing DOA3 as an Xbox exclusive...and then watching as the PS2 outsold
>the Xbox 5 to 1. Oddworld Inhabitants did the same thing hoping to get a
>better deal with Microsoft, but after Munch's Oddysee didn't sell very well,
>their next project will no longer be an Xbox exclusive.
What an odd version of history. In reality, Tecmo has done well
on the XBox even if the system itself has not sold as well as the PS2. In
reality, Munch's Oddysee _ended up being published_ by Microsoft, MS
dropped the project and EA picked it up, and ... in late September it was
announced that the next Oddworld game would end up XBox exclusive
anyways[1].
[1] http://ps2.ign.com/articles/552/552534p1.html
--
"[Windows XP] will allow users to delete data from their hard drive."
-- Graham Jones, CNN.com Oct 25th 2001
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/...unch/index.html
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| Android 2004-11-27, 12:47 am |
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"Andrew Ryan Chang" <archang@sfu.ca> wrote in message
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> Android <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote:
Xbox--criticizing[vbcol=seagreen]
outsold[vbcol=seagreen]
well,[vbcol=seagreen]
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> What an odd version of history. In reality, Tecmo has done well
> on the XBox even if the system itself has not sold as well as the PS2. In
> reality, Munch's Oddysee _ended up being published_ by Microsoft, MS
> dropped the project and EA picked it up, and ... in late September it was
> announced that the next Oddworld game would end up XBox exclusive
> anyways[1].
>
> [1] http://ps2.ign.com/articles/552/552534p1.html
>
> --
> "[Windows XP] will allow users to delete data from their hard drive."
>
> -- Graham Jones, CNN.com Oct 25th 2001
> http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/...unch/index.html
I never said that Tecmo didn't make money on their Xbox projects, only that
it criticized the PS2 before putting its eggs in the Xbox basket. That's
why it doesn't surprise or concern me that Tecmo is criticizing the PS3 and
praising the Xbox2 despite the fact that neither has been released. Munch
was going to be a PS2 game before Oddworld made a better deal with Microsoft
after Lorne Lanning made his criticism of PS2 very public. It obviously
worked since Microsoft published Munch--where did I say otherwise? Are you
arguing that Munch did sell as well as expected? If so, why did MS drop it?
Finally, with regards to the Xbox exclusivity of Oddworld's Stranger, EA
hasn't confirmed or denied that report as far as I know.
So, while my "history" might not have contained all the nuances, it was
neither odd nor incorrect.
The bottom line, as I said before, is that it makes no difference if a
second-rate publisher such as Tecmo goes public with criticism of PS3 and
praise for Xbox2. Tecmo and other publishers did the same thing with PS2 v.
Xbox.
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| Scott H 2004-11-27, 9:46 am |
| Android wrote:
quote:
> "Andrew Ryan Chang" <archang@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:co8fo1$qss$1@morgoth.sfu.ca...
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> Xbox--criticizing
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> outsold
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> well,
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> I never said that Tecmo didn't make money on their Xbox projects, only that
> it criticized the PS2 before putting its eggs in the Xbox basket. That's
> why it doesn't surprise or concern me that Tecmo is criticizing the PS3 and
> praising the Xbox2 despite the fact that neither has been released. Munch
> was going to be a PS2 game before Oddworld made a better deal with Microsoft
> after Lorne Lanning made his criticism of PS2 very public. It obviously
> worked since Microsoft published Munch--where did I say otherwise? Are you
> arguing that Munch did sell as well as expected? If so, why did MS drop it?
> Finally, with regards to the Xbox exclusivity of Oddworld's Stranger, EA
> hasn't confirmed or denied that report as far as I know.
>
> So, while my "history" might not have contained all the nuances, it was
> neither odd nor incorrect.
>
> The bottom line, as I said before, is that it makes no difference if a
> second-rate publisher such as Tecmo goes public with criticism of PS3 and
> praise for Xbox2. Tecmo and other publishers did the same thing with PS2 v.
> Xbox.
Welcome to my world. Say a few negative things focuses on one object,
get accused of calling it a total failure, and therefore being biased. ;)
--
Scott
Game Pilgrimage
http://users4.ev1.net/~sheath
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| Gooserider 2004-11-27, 9:46 am |
| If MS wants to achieve success in Japan, they are going to have to bring
Japanese RPGs to the system. If it means they have to buy a software company
to do that, then they should. They'll never get Squaresoft, but surely they
can get SOMEbody to do it.
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| Andrew Ryan Chang 2004-11-30, 5:58 pm |
| Android <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote:
quote:
>after Lorne Lanning made his criticism of PS2 very public. It obviously
>worked since Microsoft published Munch--where did I say otherwise? Are you
>arguing that Munch did sell as well as expected? If so, why did MS drop it?
>Finally, with regards to the Xbox exclusivity of Oddworld's Stranger, EA
>hasn't confirmed or denied that report as far as I know.
MS didn't drop Munch, a game that made it into their Platinum
collection. They dropped the sequel; they have also dropped a few other
games that were taking a long time in development. If Stranger was a
total loser, I doubt EA would have picked it up.
--
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918
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