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| Just got the kids a 360 for Christmas & would like to get setup on Live to
get the latest updates & stuff.
I'm currently running Windows 98 and have Charter cable and a Motorola
SB4100 modem. What wireless router would be the best choice? my computer &
modem is located in the basement & the Xbox 360 is located directly above it
in the living room.
Would the Microsoft MN-700 router be a good choice,and should a person stick
with Microsofts wireless adapter(at counsel) or are there other options less
spendy?
Thanx!
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| Chris H. 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| Unless you already have the MN-700, it probably isn't available any more
since Microsoft stopped making it more than two years ago.
Start with the information here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/c...thods/intro.htm
and follow the links to the "Wireless Connection" at the bottom and then the
approved routers, etc.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"JBS" <jimsbodyshop@wcta.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Just got the kids a 360 for Christmas & would like to get setup on Live to
> get the latest updates & stuff.
> I'm currently running Windows 98 and have Charter cable and a Motorola
> SB4100 modem. What wireless router would be the best choice? my computer &
> modem is located in the basement & the Xbox 360 is located directly above
> it
> in the living room.
> Would the Microsoft MN-700 router be a good choice,and should a person
> stick
> with Microsofts wireless adapter(at counsel) or are there other options
> less
> spendy?
> Thanx!
>
>
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| Bassman 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| I was considering the MN-700 because it will support Windows 98,and I
haven't found a new computer yet.
There are numerous MN-700's on Ebay,some are brand new.
If there's a different wireless router (brand) that will work on Windows 98
that would be fine to.
Thanx!
"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Unless you already have the MN-700, it probably isn't available any more
> since Microsoft stopped making it more than two years ago.
>
> Start with the information here:
>
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/c...thods/intro.htm
quote:
> and follow the links to the "Wireless Connection" at the bottom and then
the
quote:
> approved routers, etc.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>
>
> "JBS" <jimsbodyshop@wcta.com> wrote in message
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| JBDragon 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| You can pretty much use most Routers. You can look at MS list of ones that
work and don't work, but the list is far from complete. A Router though
doesn't care AT ALL, what kind of PC you have, or what OS your using. A
Router is basically Independent of everything else. Doesn't matter of your
PC is on or off, or whatever else. Once you configure the Router using a
Web Browser and Entering it's Address, which may be something like
192.168.0.1 and entering the default Login and Password your off to setup.
Basically you'll setup the Router to connect how your computer connects now,
and the computer would be setup to connect to a Local Area Network, which is
what a Router Creates. So while your ISP address changes from
34.254.231.345 or whatever, your Routers IP address would always be
192.168.0.1 and your PC would be 192.168.0.2 and the 360 192.168.0.3, or
whatever. This is a pretty common address to use. I for example have my PC
set at 192.169.0.10 and my 360 set at 192.169.0.15. It's setup so they both
ALWAYS use that IP address. The Router knows this by the MAC address each
Ethernet port has that are ALL different.
In fact to get your Cable Modem working on the Router, You may have to
CLONE the MAC address. Most Routers will do this. Basically because you
setup your Cable modem directly to the PC, your Cable company see's that MAC
address and knows your a paying user. When you plug the Cable modem into
the Router Instead, not it see's the Routers MAC address, and now you have
no service. SO you enter your PC's MAC address into the Router, so it uses
that one instead. It's not hard.
Also with Routers, Some programs will not work correctly on your PC or even
the 360 unless you Forward Ports or Port Forwarding. PC online gaming, to
P2P programs, etc. You normally can find this info when you need it. You
need to setup TCP or UDP ports for different programs. For example you
setup your 360 IP address as 192.168.0.2, then you need to forward ports TCP
3074, and UDP 88,3074 to 192.168.0.2. This way all the packets of Data get
to the right Location. Otherwise some things work, but others don't.
Did I scare you off? It's not to bad, but it takes a bit to setup. You
might be better off to just run the Ethernet cable. Drill Hole though the
floor and pass the cable though. Depends where you live. Wired Routers
are cheaper, and not having to pay another $50-$100 for a wireless adapter
for the 360 is a plus. It's also a more reliable connection and setup is a
little easier.
"Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:IeYmh.1115$AO1.1085@newsfe03.lga...
quote:
>I was considering the MN-700 because it will support Windows 98,and I
> haven't found a new computer yet.
> There are numerous MN-700's on Ebay,some are brand new.
> If there's a different wireless router (brand) that will work on Windows
> 98
> that would be fine to.
> Thanx!
> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8C9EE0F2-68E2-403A-973B-D61C22600750@microsoft.com...
> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/c...thods/intro.htm
> the
> to
> &
> above
>
>
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| Bassman 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| Thanks for the helpful info JBDragon!!
I think you are right,I'll just drill the hole and get a 50' ethernet cable
& a wired router and plug directly into the 360.
I just thought that most of the routers I looked at,stated on the box that
they had certain OS requirements for setup w/ the install disc.
I know I'm still old school w/ 98,but I am in the market for a new computer
soon (wife permitting), but in the mean time, I would like to get the 360
online for the kids as soon as possible.
They have tons of the regular Xbox games,but can't play any of them until I
get online & do the updates for the 360.
"JBDragon" <JBDragon@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nsednWyUXvXI-QHYnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d@comcast.com...
quote:
> You can pretty much use most Routers. You can look at MS list of ones
that
quote:
> work and don't work, but the list is far from complete. A Router though
> doesn't care AT ALL, what kind of PC you have, or what OS your using. A
> Router is basically Independent of everything else. Doesn't matter of
your
quote:
> PC is on or off, or whatever else. Once you configure the Router using a
> Web Browser and Entering it's Address, which may be something like
> 192.168.0.1 and entering the default Login and Password your off to setup.
>
> Basically you'll setup the Router to connect how your computer connects
now,
quote:
> and the computer would be setup to connect to a Local Area Network, which
is
quote:
> what a Router Creates. So while your ISP address changes from
> 34.254.231.345 or whatever, your Routers IP address would always be
> 192.168.0.1 and your PC would be 192.168.0.2 and the 360 192.168.0.3, or
> whatever. This is a pretty common address to use. I for example have my
PC
quote:
> set at 192.169.0.10 and my 360 set at 192.169.0.15. It's setup so they
both
quote:
> ALWAYS use that IP address. The Router knows this by the MAC address
each
quote:
> Ethernet port has that are ALL different.
> In fact to get your Cable Modem working on the Router, You may have to
> CLONE the MAC address. Most Routers will do this. Basically because you
> setup your Cable modem directly to the PC, your Cable company see's that
MAC
quote:
> address and knows your a paying user. When you plug the Cable modem into
> the Router Instead, not it see's the Routers MAC address, and now you have
> no service. SO you enter your PC's MAC address into the Router, so it
uses
quote:
> that one instead. It's not hard.
>
> Also with Routers, Some programs will not work correctly on your PC or
even
quote:
> the 360 unless you Forward Ports or Port Forwarding. PC online gaming, to
> P2P programs, etc. You normally can find this info when you need it.
You
quote:
> need to setup TCP or UDP ports for different programs. For example you
> setup your 360 IP address as 192.168.0.2, then you need to forward ports
TCP
quote:
> 3074, and UDP 88,3074 to 192.168.0.2. This way all the packets of Data
get
quote:
> to the right Location. Otherwise some things work, but others don't.
>
> Did I scare you off? It's not to bad, but it takes a bit to setup. You
> might be better off to just run the Ethernet cable. Drill Hole though the
> floor and pass the cable though. Depends where you live. Wired Routers
> are cheaper, and not having to pay another $50-$100 for a wireless adapter
> for the 360 is a plus. It's also a more reliable connection and setup is
a
quote:
> little easier.
>
>
> "Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:IeYmh.1115$AO1.1085@newsfe03.lga...
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| SP Goodman 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
|
"JBS" <jimsbodyshop@wcta.com> wrote in message
news:engnea07tl@enews2.newsguy.com...
quote:
> Just got the kids a 360 for Christmas & would like to get setup on Live to
> get the latest updates & stuff.
> I'm currently running Windows 98 and have Charter cable and a Motorola
> SB4100 modem. What wireless router would be the best choice? my computer &
> modem is located in the basement & the Xbox 360 is located directly above
> it
> in the living room.
> Would the Microsoft MN-700 router be a good choice,and should a person
> stick
> with Microsofts wireless adapter(at counsel) or are there other options
> less
> spendy?
Any reason you're still on Win 98? It's not a real champ on the hardware
front, whether it's via addition of new hardware or drivers, leading to many
rebuilds during the time I supported it, and I'm not too sure if the old OS
is up to the task of wireless, or doing it well enough to avoid bottlenecks.
Say the phrase "Internet Connection Sharing" and "Windows 98" in the same
sentence often, and you'd have techies crossing themselves and backing off.
XP on the other hand is so much more stable. I've done only two rebuilds
(on my own PC, as opposed to clients') in the past two years I installed
it - one of them was because of a hard drive failure, the other because I
was curious, and wanted to get more experience with throwing it on a naked
machine.
I note however that there is still support for 98 on a number of fronts.
Home for us is a four-PC one, mostly because we have a lot of floors and run
business from here as well... no children for us as we married late... But I
have a server process running on PC #1 (also a scanning/photo/fax station),
two separate PCs as workstations, and a laptop in the basement. I don't
want a lot of wires in the place, as it's not only messy but an 1852 house
in London. What I've found as a panacea is something called Homewire
(something else in the US of course), which connects through the power
points via regular plugs and CAT5 network cable from the router-modem. One
option they've got is a wireless point that also plugs into the power point,
which is the other 'end' of the LAN, used in the basement to hook the
wireless-enabled laptop (an HP) to the LAN and the Internet. This way I
could have the PCs on the top floor - where the router-modem is also -
hooked up with the laptop in the basement.
The Homeplug wireless point has a LAN socket as well, and into this the new
Xbox 360 was plugged. A few IP settings later the new member of the family
was happily chugging away and registering itself online, with no degradation
to LAN traffic.
Thus the squinching-up of my face when I think about Win98 with a similar
hookup. It'd be a bit of a pain to get setup or handle upgrades. The
LAN/IP setup for XP is nearly automatic in comparison. Sorry to go on for
so long but I hope this helps in figuring out a solution.
--
Stephen Goodman
*
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* The Loop Of The Week since 1996!
* http://www.earthlight.net/Studios
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| JBDragon 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| The Early Home Routers where that way with setup discs, and a pain to setup,
but they've gotten easier these days to use. Your PC now is just basically
used as a dumb Terminal. In fact you can access your Router anywhere in the
world as long as you have it setup correctly and with a password. The
Easy setup software, is in the Router and uses your Web Browser to do
everything. You do get a disc with your Router, but it's basically
useless junk. I don't even recall what was on my last Router Disc. Never
popped it in.
If you can easily drill a hole and run Cable, that's the Simplest, Easiest,
cheapest , and Most Reliable and Secure way to go. I have a wireless D-Link
DGL-4300 and it's really nice, and not a cheap one, but I still have my PC
and Xbox 360 WIRED! Wireless is fine for use with a Laptop computer that
your moving place to place, and not really GAMING on and occasional
dropout's and slight extra lag doesn't matter. My 360 sits there, hasn't
move other then the drive tray for over a year.
"Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:1RZmh.356$8d2.189@newsfe02.lga...
quote:
> Thanks for the helpful info JBDragon!!
> I think you are right,I'll just drill the hole and get a 50' ethernet
> cable
> & a wired router and plug directly into the 360.
> I just thought that most of the routers I looked at,stated on the box that
> they had certain OS requirements for setup w/ the install disc.
> I know I'm still old school w/ 98,but I am in the market for a new
> computer
> soon (wife permitting), but in the mean time, I would like to get the 360
> online for the kids as soon as possible.
> They have tons of the regular Xbox games,but can't play any of them until
> I
> get online & do the updates for the 360.
>
> "JBDragon" <JBDragon@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:nsednWyUXvXI-QHYnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d@comcast.com...
> that
> your
> now,
> is
> PC
> both
> each
> MAC
> uses
> even
> You
> TCP
> get
> a
> more
> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/c...thods/intro.htm
> then
> Live
> Motorola
> person
> options
>
>
| |
| Bassman 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| What would be the best router to purchase (brand)?
DLink sounds to be a good bet, I've been looking at the DGL-4100.
Would this be a good and easy router to use with the 360?
Thanks for the help!! 
"JBDragon" <JBDragon@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:IuGdnUqM8NV6vQLYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com...
quote:
> The Early Home Routers where that way with setup discs, and a pain to
setup,
quote:
> but they've gotten easier these days to use. Your PC now is just
basically
quote:
> used as a dumb Terminal. In fact you can access your Router anywhere in
the
quote:
> world as long as you have it setup correctly and with a password. The
> Easy setup software, is in the Router and uses your Web Browser to do
> everything. You do get a disc with your Router, but it's basically
> useless junk. I don't even recall what was on my last Router Disc.
Never
quote:
> popped it in.
>
> If you can easily drill a hole and run Cable, that's the Simplest,
Easiest,
quote:
> cheapest , and Most Reliable and Secure way to go. I have a wireless
D-Link
quote:
> DGL-4300 and it's really nice, and not a cheap one, but I still have my PC
> and Xbox 360 WIRED! Wireless is fine for use with a Laptop computer that
> your moving place to place, and not really GAMING on and occasional
> dropout's and slight extra lag doesn't matter. My 360 sits there, hasn't
> move other then the drive tray for over a year.
>
>
> "Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:1RZmh.356$8d2.189@newsfe02.lga...
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| JBDragon 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| Well like I said I have a D-Link DGL 4300, which is the wireless version,
but have my PC and 360 connected by WIRE to it. The DGL-4100 is the SAME
THING but wired only. They aren't the cheapest Routers out there. But they
work great and have a whole lot of features. They are also Made for Gamers
in mind. In fact they have a list built in of different software, Games,
P2P programs, even LIVE settings for Port numbers needed for that
application to work, so it makes setup even easier and you don't have to try
and find the info on your own for a lot of software. It's basically the
Cadillac of Routers! There's a lot of different things it's capable of
doing. It will work with LIVE just great.
I've also used a wired Netgear and Linksys, and they worked pretty good,
just not as advanced as my new D-Link is. I've also setup a Belkin wired
Router for someone that they got. I didn't really like it.
Anyway the D-Link is a great router, if you need any help just ask. I have
a Motorola SB5100 cable Modem connected to it.
"Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
news:mBFnh.149$Bz5.140@newsfe05.lga...
quote:
> What would be the best router to purchase (brand)?
> DLink sounds to be a good bet, I've been looking at the DGL-4100.
> Would this be a good and easy router to use with the 360?
> Thanks for the help!!
> "JBDragon" <JBDragon@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:IuGdnUqM8NV6vQLYnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com...
> setup,
> basically
> the
> Never
> Easiest,
> D-Link
> that
> 360
> until
> though
> A
> using
> which
> or
> my
> you
> that
> into
> ports
> the
> Routers
> is
> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/c...thods/intro.htm
> directly
>
>
| |
| Bassman 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| So if I were to get the DGL 4300, I could for now, run an ethernet cable
from my 360 to it, and in the future, if I add some pc's & other devices I
could go wireless?
Basically,can the 4300 double as a wired & wireless? I've seen the prices on
them & they are spendy,but it would be a nice option if it does function
this way. I'd hate to kick out the big bucks & find out the hard way.
I also have a Motorola modem, the SB4100 w/ Charter.
Thanks!
"JBDragon" <JBDragon@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:xLmdncSY5bjq_D3YnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d@comcast.com...
quote:
> Well like I said I have a D-Link DGL 4300, which is the wireless version,
> but have my PC and 360 connected by WIRE to it. The DGL-4100 is the SAME
> THING but wired only. They aren't the cheapest Routers out there. But
they
quote:
> work great and have a whole lot of features. They are also Made for
Gamers
quote:
> in mind. In fact they have a list built in of different software, Games,
> P2P programs, even LIVE settings for Port numbers needed for that
> application to work, so it makes setup even easier and you don't have to
try
quote:
> and find the info on your own for a lot of software. It's basically the
> Cadillac of Routers! There's a lot of different things it's capable of
> doing. It will work with LIVE just great.
>
> I've also used a wired Netgear and Linksys, and they worked pretty good,
> just not as advanced as my new D-Link is. I've also setup a Belkin wired
> Router for someone that they got. I didn't really like it.
>
> Anyway the D-Link is a great router, if you need any help just ask. I
have
quote:
> a Motorola SB5100 cable Modem connected to it.
>
>
> "Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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| JBDragon 2007-01-30, 8:03 pm |
| Every wireless Router I've seen also have Wired Ports on them also! I've
never seen a Wireless Router without Wired ports on it. The D-Link ones
though actually support Gigabit speeds. Most are 10/100 Megabit, the
D-Link is 10/100/1000 Megabit. SO if you have a couple wired PC's with
Gigabit network support you can transfer back and forth really quick.
You can go here, http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370&#DGL-4300 and see
pictures of it all around including the back where you can plug in your
Ethernet cables. You can see in the product features area it says 4 Gigabit
Ethernet ports. This is the Router I have. Once you set it up on your PC,
it doesn't ever NEED to be one. As long as your Router and Cable Modem is
turned on, and device you have plugged in, Wireless connected to it will
work and connect to the Internet and at any time.
Once it setup, you don't have to screw with it much. Maybe forward a few
ports for a new PC program your using, or maybe change from things to
restrict your kids from accessing the Internet on their PC or putting
limits. Time and Days. There's a Sentinel Parental Controls Service for
some advanced Internet filtering, and also PC Security, but it costs extra,
yearly subscription, but works on up to 4 PC's, and since it's works on the
Router, it doesn't matter on the OS your Running, Windows XP, MacOS,Linix,
etc.
http://sentinel.dlink.com/ParentalControls/
I'm not using it myself at this timer, but I may in the future.
"Bassman" <bassman1@chartermi.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> So if I were to get the DGL 4300, I could for now, run an ethernet cable
> from my 360 to it, and in the future, if I add some pc's & other devices I
> could go wireless?
> Basically,can the 4300 double as a wired & wireless? I've seen the prices
> on
> them & they are spendy,but it would be a nice option if it does function
> this way. I'd hate to kick out the big bucks & find out the hard way.
> I also have a Motorola modem, the SB4100 w/ Charter.
> Thanks!
> "JBDragon" <JBDragon@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:xLmdncSY5bjq_D3YnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d@comcast.com...
> they
> Gamers
> try
> have
> in
> The
> hasn't
> ones
> using.
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> I
> any
> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/c...thods/intro.htm
> and
>
>
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"JBS" wrote:
quote:
> Just got the kids a 360 for Christmas & would like to get setup on Live to
> get the latest updates & stuff.
> I'm currently running Windows 98 and have Charter cable and a Motorola
> SB4100 modem. What wireless router would be the best choice? my computer &
> modem is located in the basement & the Xbox 360 is located directly above it
> in the living room.
> Would the Microsoft MN-700 router be a good choice,and should a person stick
> with Microsofts wireless adapter(at counsel) or are there other options less
> spendy?
> Thanx!
>
> I got the kids the same for Xmas, here's what I did. I already have a surf beam modem (KA Satellite broadband) From all the reading I found that most are happy with wired connections for gaming, wireless seems to lack in speed. But I still wanted wirele
ss for my other home computers. I ended up getting a linksys (Cisco) wireless "G" router. It incorporates 4 wired ports 10/100 along with wireless, best of both worlds from a big name in the networking community. I must say its been excellent QoS and ever
yone in the home is happy and always connected. Hope this helps.
Regards,
quote:
>
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