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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-15, 6:31 am |
| Rob Berryhill wrote:
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> there is nothing like Forza on any console
*cough*Gran Turismo*cough*
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| Tyler Eaves 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:52:03 GMT, Paul Heslop
<paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
quote:
>Rob Berryhill wrote:
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>*cough*Gran Turismo*cough*
*cough* Forza has actual AI that is FUN to race against*cough*
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| Tyler Eaves wrote:
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> On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:52:03 GMT, Paul Heslop
> <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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> *cough* Forza has actual AI that is FUN to race against*cough*
*cough*irrelevant. He said There is nothing like Forza on any console.
GT is the daddy, the rest are just advances and imitations. Even if
Forza is better it is still an imitation.*cough*
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| ScoopeX 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| Paul Heslop wrote:
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> Tyler Eaves wrote:
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> *cough*irrelevant. He said There is nothing like Forza on any console.
> GT is the daddy, the rest are just advances and imitations. Even if
> Forza is better it is still an imitation.*cough*
Where is the online *coughs* play in GT4 ?
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| Rob Berryhill 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| In article <42870D9D.38A169D9@blueyonder.co.uk>,
paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk says...
quote:
> Rob Berryhill wrote:
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> *cough*Gran Turismo*cough*
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Thanks, you proved my point. There is NOTHING like Forza on any console.
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| NightSky 421 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| "ScoopeX" <Scoopex@scoopex.co.uk> wrote in message
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quote:
> Paul Heslop wrote:
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> Where is the online *coughs* play in GT4 ?
LOL
There seems to be *cough* quite the cold going around here *cough*.
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| NightSky 421 wrote:
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> "ScoopeX" <Scoopex@scoopex.co.uk> wrote in message
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> LOL
>
> There seems to be *cough* quite the cold going around here *cough*.
I left the window open last night
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| Rob Berryhill wrote:
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> In article <42870D9D.38A169D9@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk says...
>
> Thanks, you proved my point. There is NOTHING like Forza on any console.
>
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> Rob Berryhill
ignorant, Rob, ignorant. You have to acknowledge the master when you
acknowledge the pupil. It has made strides for sure, but it is still a
copy.
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| RuNext 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
| "ScoopeX" wrote:
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> Paul Heslop wrote:
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> Where is the online *coughs* play in GT4 ?
>
True that! GT4 promised online play and then dissapointed all PS2 gamers by
only offering a way take a pic. of your racing car . . . whoopti doo . . .
GT4 is fun as all get out . . . but challeging others through online play is
the way to earn rep. and show of your skills . . .
PGR 3 is going to be hella HOT ! ! !
either way, I personally can't wait for "NFS: Most Wanted" cuz' I like the
NSF titles . . .
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| Boody Bandit 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
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"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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quote:
> Rob Berryhill wrote:
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> ignorant, Rob, ignorant. You have to acknowledge the master when you
> acknowledge the pupil. It has made strides for sure, but it is still a
> copy.
Agreed
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| Boody Bandit 2005-05-15, 8:30 pm |
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"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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quote:
> Rob Berryhill wrote:
>
> ignorant, Rob, ignorant. You have to acknowledge the master when you
> acknowledge the pupil. It has made strides for sure, but it is still a
> copy.
Forza is awesome, no doubt, but give credit where it's due.
GT paved (pun intended) the way for games like Forza.
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 12:30 am |
| Boody Bandit wrote:
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> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4287A150.2F814562@blueyonder.co.uk...
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> Agreed
oh good, I was worried I might be talking out my butt then :O)
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 12:30 am |
| Boody Bandit wrote:
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> "Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4287A150.2F814562@blueyonder.co.uk...
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> Forza is awesome, no doubt, but give credit where it's due.
> GT paved (pun intended) the way for games like Forza.
In its time it's been awesome. This current one is not upto par,
except it really is damned fast and of course the car models are spot
on. They missed the chance to give it that added punch, which makes me
wonder if they either want to put more into the psp version (if there
is one) or the next gen
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| X360 IN 6 MONTHS 2005-05-16, 12:30 am |
| *cough* I dont have to cough *cough*
XBOX 360 is going to ROCK!!!
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| > ignorant, Rob, ignorant. You have to acknowledge the master when you
quote:
> acknowledge the pupil. It has made strides for sure, but it is still a
> copy.
-Yes, absolutely, cause GT was the very driving game on any platform. No,
wait it wasn't...
And please, don't call GT a "simulator". Take a car, and hit a wall doing
200mph. In a simulator there should be damage, right? Is there on GT? Is
there on Forza? Hell yes!
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| Zomoniac 2005-05-16, 6:31 am |
| On 16/5/05 09:21, in article 428857c1$0$339$4d4eb98e@read.news.fi.uu.net,
"MS" <mikael.sillman@POISTAokmetic.com> wrote:
quote:
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> -Yes, absolutely, cause GT was the very driving game on any platform. No,
> wait it wasn't...
>
> And please, don't call GT a "simulator". Take a car, and hit a wall doing
> 200mph. In a simulator there should be damage, right? Is there on GT? Is
> there on Forza? Hell yes!
And don't call Forza a simulator either. If you hit a wall doing 200mph the
car shatters, you die, your save is wiped and your disc self-destructs.
That's what should happen. The only game on console I've ever played that I
would describe as a half-accurate simulator simulates giant walking
robot-tanks and is set many years in the future, so I can't really tell you
how accurately it's simulated! Forza handles like an arcade racer, I've won
all the races up to now powersliding round corners as though it was PGR2.
I'm not complaining, I just get infuriated by people telling me that a few
badly drawn scratches and a loose front bumper when hitting a tree at 250 is
the difference between sim and not sim.
Zo
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| In article <428857c1$0$339$4d4eb98e@read.news.fi.uu.net>, "MS" <mikael.sillman@POISTAokmetic.com> wrote:
quote:
>
>-Yes, absolutely, cause GT was the very driving game on any platform. No,
>wait it wasn't...
>
>And please, don't call GT a "simulator". Take a car, and hit a wall doing
>200mph. In a simulator there should be damage, right? Is there on GT? Is
>there on Forza? Hell yes!
Whatever
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| In article <BEAE1DF7.286CD%the_proper_one@hotmail.com>, Zomoniac <the_proper_one@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
>On 16/5/05 09:21, in article 428857c1$0$339$4d4eb98e@read.news.fi.uu.net,
>"MS" <mikael.sillman@POISTAokmetic.com> wrote:
>
>
>And don't call Forza a simulator either. If you hit a wall doing 200mph the
>car shatters, you die, your save is wiped and your disc self-destructs.
>That's what should happen. The only game on console I've ever played that I
>would describe as a half-accurate simulator simulates giant walking
>robot-tanks and is set many years in the future, so I can't really tell you
>how accurately it's simulated! Forza handles like an arcade racer, I've won
>all the races up to now powersliding round corners as though it was PGR2.
>I'm not complaining, I just get infuriated by people telling me that a few
>badly drawn scratches and a loose front bumper when hitting a tree at 250 is
>the difference between sim and not sim.
>
>Zo
Whatever
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| MS wrote:
quote:
>
>
> -Yes, absolutely, cause GT was the very driving game on any platform. No,
> wait it wasn't...
>
> And please, don't call GT a "simulator". Take a car, and hit a wall doing
> 200mph. In a simulator there should be damage, right? Is there on GT? Is
> there on Forza? Hell yes!
Ah, I did say advances have been made. GT was the first good sim. I
can't understand their reluctance to have damage models, except I
suppose with that many cars it would be hell. It's not only A driving
sim but THE driving sim.
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| Zomoniac wrote:
quote:
>
> On 16/5/05 09:21, in article 428857c1$0$339$4d4eb98e@read.news.fi.uu.net,
> "MS" <mikael.sillman@POISTAokmetic.com> wrote:
>
>
> And don't call Forza a simulator either. If you hit a wall doing 200mph the
> car shatters, you die, your save is wiped and your disc self-destructs.
> That's what should happen. The only game on console I've ever played that I
> would describe as a half-accurate simulator simulates giant walking
> robot-tanks and is set many years in the future, so I can't really tell you
> how accurately it's simulated! Forza handles like an arcade racer, I've won
> all the races up to now powersliding round corners as though it was PGR2.
> I'm not complaining, I just get infuriated by people telling me that a few
> badly drawn scratches and a loose front bumper when hitting a tree at 250 is
> the difference between sim and not sim.
>
> Zo
Again i agree. Can't recall which game it was... er, Vrally 3 I think,
which really peed me off as the cars were wrecked at the slightest
knock and forever falling off high drops, not to return. But I was
being simplistic as obviously when it happens in real life this is the
LEAST that would happen.
Didn't change it from being a pain in the arse though :O)
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| Boody Bandit 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
|
"X360 IN 6 MONTHS" <dsgorham@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> *cough* I dont have to cough *cough*
>
>
> XBOX 360 is going to ROCK!!!
*cough* no doubt but so will the PS3 *cough*
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| Boody Bandit 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
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"Dave" <dm@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Whatever
Well thought out!
You really made me stop and think.
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| Robert P Holley 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| Paul Heslop wrote:
quote:
> Rob Berryhill wrote:
>
>
> *cough*Gran Turismo*cough*
He said *racing sim* not *driving sim* which is what the GT series is.
In any event, Forza has dethroned it.
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| Chris H. 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| Everyone should try Gran Prix Legends on a PC for realism. If you haven't
tried it or even seen it, do a little Google search. There are a lot of
videos around. Then buy a copy - if you can find one. It is difficult,
time consuming and beautiful.
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Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"MS" <mikael.sillman@POISTAokmetic.com> wrote in message
news:428857c1$0$339$4d4eb98e@read.news.fi.uu.net...
quote:
>
> And please, don't call GT a "simulator". Take a car, and hit a wall doing
> 200mph. In a simulator there should be damage, right? Is there on GT? Is
> there on Forza? Hell yes!
>
>
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| "Chris H." wrote:
quote:
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> Everyone should try Gran Prix Legends on a PC for realism. If you haven't
> tried it or even seen it, do a little Google search. There are a lot of
> videos around. Then buy a copy - if you can find one. It is difficult,
> time consuming and beautiful.
> --
Yeha, I think I had a go at a demo a while back, it did look good but
as you said, very hard to get the hang of
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| Robert P Holley wrote:
quote:
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> Paul Heslop wrote:
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> He said *racing sim* not *driving sim* which is what the GT series is.
>
> In any event, Forza has dethroned it.
? Do you actually play GT? if it was just driving down the shops it
would be a driving sim.. or are you confusing it with GTA?
And yes, in many people's eyes it may well have done so, but the
statement is still totally incorrect.
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| USAF LM 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| Paul Heslop wrote:
quote:
> Robert P Holley wrote:
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> ? Do you actually play GT? if it was just driving down the shops it
> would be a driving sim.. or are you confusing it with GTA?
GTA is a driving sim?
Swi
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| Paul Heslop 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| USAF LM wrote:
quote:
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> Paul Heslop wrote:
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> GTA is a driving sim?
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> Swi
:O) Gimme a chance, I haven't slept much recently. I meant it's a
driving game, rather than a racing game. I also know GT calls itself a
driving simulator, but that's just a word, if they didn't race each
other there would be no point. I suppose originally the intention was
to make driving a pleasure, which I think it was in the first two.
Number three seemed to make it more of a chore and the current version
is damned near impossible at times.
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| Rob Berryhill 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| In article <#Aa2i6hWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
winxpnews@hotmail.com says...
quote:
> Everyone should try Gran Prix Legends on a PC for realism. If you haven't
> tried it or even seen it, do a little Google search. There are a lot of
> videos around. Then buy a copy - if you can find one. It is difficult,
> time consuming and beautiful.
>
Haha, I tried to get another friend into GPL a couple of years back and
he told me "How can you play that game? I can't even scratch my nose or
I'll crash!"
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| Pessimist 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
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"Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23Aa2i6hWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
quote:
> Everyone should try Gran Prix Legends on a PC for realism.
I know it's getting on a bit, but that's taking the piss...
-P
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| Chris H. 2005-05-16, 8:31 pm |
| Exactly. Just as you would in one of the real machines from that era. Hit
a rumble strip wrong, and you can damage the suspension which means you need
to limp back to the pit for repairs. Not like GT or Forza, but actually
manage to balance the vehicle at a slow speed. 8-) Keep in mind, I love
all three, but for realism, Gran Prix Legends I believe is much closer.
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"Rob Berryhill" <rob_berryhill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> In article <#Aa2i6hWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
> winxpnews@hotmail.com says...
>
> Haha, I tried to get another friend into GPL a couple of years back and
> he told me "How can you play that game? I can't even scratch my nose or
> I'll crash!"
>
>
> --
> Rob Berryhill
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| Jim Campey 2005-05-17, 6:34 am |
| On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:17:27 -0700, "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com>
wrote:
quote:
>Exactly. Just as you would in one of the real machines from that era. Hit
>a rumble strip wrong, and you can damage the suspension which means you need
>to limp back to the pit for repairs. Not like GT or Forza, but actually
>manage to balance the vehicle at a slow speed. 8-) Keep in mind, I love
>all three, but for realism, Gran Prix Legends I believe is much closer.
The problem with too much realism in games is that it either doesn't
work, or it's unplayable.
For example, I've driven around Brands Hatch in a formula first car
and achieved some acceptable times for a novice. Yet in video games I
can't get any where near decent times. The reason being (IMO) is that
in real life you are aware of your surroundings, can feel the car (so
you can judge how much to push it) etc. etc.
With a video game you are limited in what you can see and `feel`, so
the realism has to be reduced accordingly.
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| Tony Rickard 2005-05-17, 8:31 pm |
| "Jim Campey" wrote:
quote:
> The problem with too much realism in games is that it either doesn't
> work, or it's unplayable.
>
> For example, I've driven around Brands Hatch in a formula first car
> and achieved some acceptable times for a novice. Yet in video games I
> can't get any where near decent times. The reason being (IMO) is that
> in real life you are aware of your surroundings, can feel the car (so
> you can judge how much to push it) etc. etc.
>
> With a video game you are limited in what you can see and `feel`, so
> the realism has to be reduced accordingly.
The other reason being you aren't comparing like with like. Are you saying
you can't get a decent time for a novice sim racer? Or more likely can't get
a decent time against expert sim racers?
If you were to leap into an F1 car you are unlikely to be on the pace
without some considerable time and quite possibly never due to skill,
fitness, bravery etc. Arguably you would have a greater opportunity with a
sim because you can have unlimited practice. After several thousand laps at
the Glen, destroying countless Ferraris and killing myself many times, I
broke into the 1:04s - My lack of immortality aside not many teams would
have retained faith in me 
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| Jim Campey 2005-05-18, 8:31 pm |
| On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:03:54 GMT, "Tony Rickard"
<tony.rickardno@spamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
quote:
>"Jim Campey" wrote:
>
>
>The other reason being you aren't comparing like with like. Are you saying
>you can't get a decent time for a novice sim racer? Or more likely can't get
>a decent time against expert sim racers?
I suppose what I meant is that I can't get (what I consider) decent
times in a sim, regardless of the competition. In RL you are aware of
what's behind you, at the side of you etc. because of peripheral
vision. I often clip cars that are beside me because I haven't
realised they are there (you can't really see beside you in a video
game). In order to be aware of where the cars are in a sim you have to
keep looking in the rear view mirror, whereas in RL you'd be aware
without taking your eyes off the road IYSWIM. More often than not, if
I glance in the mirror in a sim, I clip the curb <lol>.
I also seem to brake earlier in a sim than I would in RL because you
can `feel` the right time to brake.
However, all this is probably down to my incompetence in video games
quote:
>If you were to leap into an F1 car you are unlikely to be on the pace
>without some considerable time and quite possibly never due to skill,
>fitness, bravery etc. Arguably you would have a greater opportunity with a
>sim because you can have unlimited practice. After several thousand laps at
>the Glen, destroying countless Ferraris and killing myself many times, I
>broke into the 1:04s - My lack of immortality aside not many teams would
>have retained faith in me
>
LOL. Yes, I've written a few cars off in Forza. Which usually means I
lose control as well
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