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> Are there any deaf gamers out there that had to figure out the Halo hurdle
> of no subtitles?
>
>

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>I doubt any deaf person would be a gamer. It would be next to impossible
>for
> most games, including Halo.
>

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>I doubt any deaf person would be a gamer. It would be next to impossible
>for
> most games, including Halo.
>
>
> On 9/23/04 2:59 PM, in article BD788739.3358%phyberquest@yahoo.com,
> "Phyber
> Quest" <phyberquest@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>

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> "Devala Rees" <darkeagle@lisco.com> wrote in message
> news:BD78A2BA.1185%darkeagle@lisco.com...
>
> With the exception of a very small number of games where there is spoken
> word integral to the plot or completion of the game ( and no subtitling) -
> the vast majority of games are suitable for "any deaf person".
> I am amazed that you could hold such an opinion to the contrary.

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> On 9/24/04 5:01 AM, in article #yIDG2hoEHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,

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> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
impossible[vbcol=seagreen]
subtitling) -[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, a deaf person could play most games and understand them, yes, but it
> would take enough out of the game that there would be very little
> atmosphere. In real life deaf people can still smell and touch and taste
> everything so it seems real, but in a game, all you've got is sight and
> sound. And with sound gone... There really isn't much of a feeling of
> involvement left. Haven't you ever played with the sound off (like when

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> wake up in the middle of the night with the urge to pump some bellies full
> of lead)? I mean, it's still fun, but even with other games it just

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> feel as real. I'm not saying deaf people couldn't play and understand

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> games, I'm just saying that they wouldn't be nearly as fun. In many games

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> lot of personality and flavor relies on sound, even if subtitiles tell you
> what some characters say.

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> On 9/24/04 5:01 AM, in article #yIDG2hoEHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> "Mike
> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, a deaf person could play most games and understand them, yes, but it
> would take enough out of the game that there would be very little
> atmosphere. In real life deaf people can still smell and touch and taste
> everything so it seems real, but in a game, all you've got is sight and
> sound. And with sound gone... There really isn't much of a feeling of
> involvement left. Haven't you ever played with the sound off (like when
> you
> wake up in the middle of the night with the urge to pump some bellies full
> of lead)? I mean, it's still fun, but even with other games it just
> doesn't
> feel as real. I'm not saying deaf people couldn't play and understand
> video
> games, I'm just saying that they wouldn't be nearly as fun. In many games
> a
> lot of personality and flavor relies on sound, even if subtitiles tell you
> what some characters say.
>

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> On 9/24/04 5:01 AM, in article #yIDG2hoEHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> "Mike
> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, a deaf person could play most games and understand them, yes, but it
> would take enough out of the game that there would be very little
> atmosphere. In real life deaf people can still smell and touch and taste
> everything so it seems real, but in a game, all you've got is sight and
> sound. And with sound gone... There really isn't much of a feeling of
> involvement left. Haven't you ever played with the sound off (like when
> you
> wake up in the middle of the night with the urge to pump some bellies full
> of lead)? I mean, it's still fun, but even with other games it just
> doesn't
> feel as real. I'm not saying deaf people couldn't play and understand
> video
> games, I'm just saying that they wouldn't be nearly as fun. In many games
> a
> lot of personality and flavor relies on sound, even if subtitiles tell you
> what some characters say.
>

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>
> "Devala Rees" <darkeagle@lisco.com> schreef in bericht
> news:BD79699B.1194%darkeagle@lisco.com...
> "Mike
> impossible
> subtitling) -
> you
> doesn't
> video
> a
>
> I think that deaf people can enjoy games as much as we do. We are used to
> play video games with sound, so it "sounds" weird if it is gone. Deaf people
> are not use to play with sound. I I agree that the sound adds a flavour to
> the game and I miss the sound very much, if it is turned off. But I still
> enjoy the game. think they will more focus on the images as we do. And I see
> no reason why deaf people would enjoy games less than we do.
>
> - Sty -
>
>
>

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> "Devala Rees" <darkeagle@lisco.com> wrote in message
> news:BD79699B.1194%darkeagle@lisco.com...
>
> You are still thinking in extremely narrow terms.
> Games today on multiple platforms provide force feedback/vibration etc.
> And you are also grouping "deaf people" in what you are thinking of as
> profoundly deaf (no ability to hear anything at all.) There are huge range
> of deaf people (hearing impaired) who may not have the auditory acuity to be
> able to hear speech clearly but can still hear/sense some degrees of sounds,
> and can enjoy the sound/feelings of games via headphones etc or at the
> higher or lower frequencies depending on the nature of the persons problem.
>
> Maybe you should consider a visit to your nearest school or center that
> caters for the hearing impaired to see just how much of a rich life and how
> much these people can experience.

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> On 9/24/04 8:50 AM, in article eIWQv1joEHA.1576@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> "Mike
> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> The question was about DEAF people, not HEARING IMPAIRED people. In other
> words, this string is about people with no hearing. People with bad
> hearing
> may still be able to enjoy games as you said.
>

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> On 9/24/04 5:01 AM, in article #yIDG2hoEHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,

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> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
impossible[vbcol=seagreen]
subtitling) -[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, a deaf person could play most games and understand them, yes, but it
> would take enough out of the game that there would be very little
> atmosphere. In real life deaf people can still smell and touch and taste
> everything so it seems real, but in a game, all you've got is sight and
> sound. And with sound gone... There really isn't much of a feeling of
> involvement left. Haven't you ever played with the sound off (like when

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> wake up in the middle of the night with the urge to pump some bellies full
> of lead)? I mean, it's still fun, but even with other games it just

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> feel as real. I'm not saying deaf people couldn't play and understand

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> games, I'm just saying that they wouldn't be nearly as fun. In many games

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> lot of personality and flavor relies on sound, even if subtitiles tell you
> what some characters say.
>

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> On 9/24/04 8:50 AM, in article eIWQv1joEHA.1576@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> "Mike
> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> The question was about DEAF people, not HEARING IMPAIRED people. In other
> words, this string is about people with no hearing. People with bad
> hearing
> may still be able to enjoy games as you said.
>

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> On 9/24/04 8:50 AM, in article eIWQv1joEHA.1576@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
> "Mike
> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> The question was about DEAF people, not HEARING IMPAIRED people. In other
> words, this string is about people with no hearing. People with bad
> hearing
> may still be able to enjoy games as you said.
>

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> "Devala Rees" <darkeagle@lisco.com> wrote in message
> news:BD7998E4.119A%darkeagle@lisco.com...
>
> While I do not usually follow the political correctness mania of these
> days - the use of the term "deaf" has come to cover those from profoundly
> deaf to various degrees of hearing impairment.
> However I would still have disputed your initial assertion if you had
> qualified it as being directed to profoundly deaf gamers - to claim that
> profoundly deaf people cannot enjoy video games is just nonsense.

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>
> All right, deaf people as in people with no hearing whatsoever. And I'm
> not
> claiming that they can't enjoy them; with many (even most) games, the
> gameplay isn't affected by the audio, and they can still enjoy it. But
> with
> certain games like Halo, the plot would make no sense. But if you analyze
> it
> closely, it makes no sense anyway, so they can still have some fun
> blasting
> Covenant full of plasma and lead. It's just that we enjoy it more.
>

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> On 9/24/04 3:16 PM, in article e1iXhNnoEHA.3396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
> "Mike
> Brannigan [MSFT]" <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> All right, deaf people as in people with no hearing whatsoever. And I'm
> not
> claiming that they can't enjoy them; with many (even most) games, the
> gameplay isn't affected by the audio, and they can still enjoy it. But
> with
> certain games like Halo, the plot would make no sense. But if you analyze
> it
> closely, it makes no sense anyway, so they can still have some fun
> blasting
> Covenant full of plasma and lead. It's just that we enjoy it more.
>

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> "Devala Rees" <darkeagle@lisco.com> wrote in message
> news:BD7A1107.11AB%darkeagle@lisco.com...
>
> Please don't take this the wrong way
> But you were doing so well until you said "... It's just that we enjoy it
> more. ..."
> I'm sorry but that smacks of some of the worst sort of prejudicial sentiment
> possible.
>
> Unfortunately protocol and my position forbids me making further direct
> comment on your statements publicly, but I really do feel you would benefit
> from having your eyes if not your ears opened by having a trip to you local
> deaf/hearing impaired community and being with these people for a day.

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>
> Hey, it's not like they can't have fun with them! We do enjoy it SLIGHTLY
> more! The audio adds a lot of atmosphere and fun to the game (like music,
> marine's comments, etc). Deaf people can like games! It's just that we
> have
> a slightly higher potential for enjoying them.
>

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> I don't believe any of us who have hearing can make an accurate judgment and
> statement. We just plain don't know because we've never known anything
> different. We "think" we have an advantage because we've always experienced
> sounds.
>
> We're told we should enjoy sounds, even add our own music while playing and
> that's even part of the marketing routine for Xbox. But most deaf people
> excel in other areas - and actually use their senses more than hearing
> people do.
>
> Ever hear of Curtis Pride? He's a baseball player. In fact, he's a major
> league baseball player with the Anaheim Angels. He's deaf. Apparently
> deafness has nothing to do with hand-eye coordination to hit major league
> pitching. 8-)

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> We have essentially known what it's like to play a game, because I think
> we've all done it without sound at one point. This bothers us more than it
> would a deaf person, because we've all already heard it with sound, and
> we're used to hearing things. So that experience is sort of like being a
> gamer who just went deaf. It's that in some games, sound actually plays a
> part in the gameplay, including Halo. Like hearing the telltale sound of a
> Banshee and taking cover. Deaf people wouldn't know it was there. Ditto
> with
> Ghosts and enemy fire from a position you can't see, until you're hit. And
> even then, they wouldn't know what was hitting them unless they could see
> the shots. This is an example of when we would enjoy the game slightly
> more.
>
>
> On 9/24/04 11:07 PM, in article uonIgUroEHA.2340@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl,
> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>

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> How can you measure whether one person is enjoying a game more than another?
> That's a personal decision, even among gamers with hearing. Even my three
> daughters, they have varying opinions of what's fun and neat, just as they
> like or dislike certain music or certain performers.
>
> Saying a deaf person can't enjoy Halo as much as a person with hearing is
> really silly. Isn't it? Some people like rock climbing or spending their
> vacation time running rapids in kayaks, but you or I may not get the same
> "enjoyment" out of that. It is really a very personal level of satisfaction
> within each of us, whether we can hear or not.

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> My point was that we have a higher POTENTIAL of enjoying it. Phyber Quest
> people may like the game better than us personally, but any person with
> hearing has a higher potential of enjoying it than any person who's deaf.
>
>
> On 9/25/04 11:50 AM, in article eirX7#xoEHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl,
> "Chris H." <winxpnews@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>

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>I doubt any deaf person would be a gamer. It would be next to impossible
>for
> most games, including Halo.
>
>
> On 9/23/04 2:59 PM, in article BD788739.3358%phyberquest@yahoo.com,
> "Phyber
> Quest" <phyberquest@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>