Starsiege Tribes - Frightening Statistic

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Frightening Statistic

jtougas

2006-02-26, 4:30 am

Hi folks -

Heard something on the news I found personally frightening: this
weekend, the world's population will pass an estimated 6.5 Billion
people.

Meaning that the world's population will have doubled since *1960*.

46 years.

Yikes.

This can't last long.

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

Hellmark

2006-02-26, 4:30 am

jtougas's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
were:

quote:

> Hi folks -
> Heard something on the news I found personally frightening: this
> weekend, the world's population will pass an estimated 6.5 Billion
> people.
> Meaning that the world's population will have doubled since *1960*.
> 46 years.
> Yikes.
> This can't last long.

People XXXXX about pollution being such a big thing for global warming,
but what about all the damn extra people?! They throw off alot of heat!

I say, nuke the mideast and africa, LOTS of birds, one giant stone...

Frank van Schie

2006-02-26, 4:30 am

Hellmark wrote:

quote:

> jtougas's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
> were:
>
>
> People XXXXX about pollution being such a big thing for global warming,
> but what about all the damn extra people?! They throw off alot of heat!
>
> I say, nuke the mideast and africa, LOTS of birds, one giant stone...

I say nuke the Middle East, the US and Europe (in that order; try to use
up all nukes on the first two targets).

We're the biggest polluters after all, and have much higher population
density. Oh, Japan too.

Many many more birds.
--
Frank

Smeghead

2006-02-26, 4:30 am

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:28:35 -0500, jtougas
<jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote:

quote:

>Hi folks -
>
>Heard something on the news I found personally frightening: this
>weekend, the world's population will pass an estimated 6.5 Billion
>people.
>
>Meaning that the world's population will have doubled since *1960*.
>
>46 years.
>
>Yikes.
>
>This can't last long.

Don't worry. The slaughter of billions at that hands of religious
fanatics, coupled with a viral plague pandemic will thin the mix. :D

Psst! Hey, mister, wanna buy a silver lining?

Save your pennies. It's going to be a buyers market in real estate.

--
--==<S m e g h e a d>==--
"That's a friend of mine called Neil,
that's a friend of mine called Mike...
and that's a complete bastard I know called Rick." - Vyvyan

Smeghead

2006-02-26, 4:30 am

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:05:09 +0100, Frank van Schie
<frankNOSPAM@email.it> wrote:

quote:

>Hellmark wrote:
>
>I say nuke the Middle East, the US and Europe (in that order; try to use
>up all nukes on the first two targets).
>
>We're the biggest polluters after all, and have much higher population
>density. Oh, Japan too.
>
>Many many more birds.

I say throw billions into a cash prize for the scientist or team of
scientists or individual who can come up with a realistic, viable and
commercially marketable alternative to fossil fuels and make that
person or group insanely rich and world heros.

Use proper, non-greed motivated land management. Feed the world.
Reward the bright and hard working. Punish the criminal element.
Outlaw lawyers and exercise kindness and understanding towards
everyone.

That should help for starters. :D

--
--==<S m e g h e a d>==--
"That's a friend of mine called Neil,
that's a friend of mine called Mike...
and that's a complete bastard I know called Rick." - Vyvyan

ScratchMonkey

2006-02-26, 8:13 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:okqvv1p7m7gjlj23f0rdh12j56vbvek6p8@4ax.com:

quote:

> This can't last long.

I guy named Malthus predicted the end a long time ago. Didn't happen. Then
various pundits in the 60's said the world would end in the 70's. Didn't
happen. I'm not worried.

The population growth isn't happening in the developed world. Rich people
(ie. us) don't breed like bunnies. But they do tend to squelch competition
in the third world. To stop population growth there, stop protectionism so
that the developed textile and agricultural industries can't block their
counterparts in the developing world from attaining the same prosperity.

jtougas

2006-02-26, 8:13 pm

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:05:07 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump
on the keyboard and write:

quote:

>jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
>news:okqvv1p7m7gjlj23f0rdh12j56vbvek6p8@4ax.com:
>
>
>I guy named Malthus predicted the end a long time ago. Didn't happen. Then
>various pundits in the 60's said the world would end in the 70's. Didn't
>happen. I'm not worried.

Malthus didn't predict the end so much as he predicted when the
population of the world would overrun what the world can support,
given a variety of levels of consumption. Not really the end, just a
collapse.

A professor I worked for at the UGA Institute of Ecology, who taught
the 'Introduction to Ecology' course, took Malthus's calculations out
to 'when could the world no longer support everyone living at the
level of comfort we enjoy here in the US?' and came up with a date
sometime in the mid '90s, I think... A figure not altogether
inaccurate if you take the median of home, land, vehicle, and 4 people
to a household: the average American, not the richest, not the
poorest.

quote:

>The population growth isn't happening in the developed world. Rich people
>(ie. us) don't breed like bunnies.

Not *completely* accurate. Money isn't the biggest influence on the
reproduction rate; education is (or, at least it is in the US).
Granted, this points out a big problem of lack of education in
developing countries, but you also run into a problem when the
Catholic Church preaches against contraception (mostly on the theory
of wanting an expanding support base, in my opinion: you're Catholic,
you'll (hopefully) raise your kids Catholic).

And yet Italy is one of the few countries that has actually achieved
Zero Population Growth (relatively speaking). It boggles the mind.

quote:

> But they do tend to squelch competition
>in the third world. To stop population growth there, stop protectionism so
>that the developed textile and agricultural industries can't block their
>counterparts in the developing world from attaining the same prosperity.

And yet, if they do attain the same level of prosperity we have here
in the US (on average), you'll run into the same problem: the world
system can't support the world living at our current level of
consumption.

For the rest of the world to enjoy what we do as a country of
privilege would be disastrous to the world system - *if it's at our
current level of consumption*. High efficiency vehicles, renewable
energy sources, more efficient homes - all sorts of things need to be
changed within our society, and in what level of comfort the
developing nations expect to reach, before we can reach an equilibrium
point at which the world can support all of us living at that level of
comfort.

Part and parcel to that - every time I see someone driving a HUMMER I
want to drag them out into the street and beat with a baseball bat.
It's an irresponsible vehicle, a symbol of conspicuous consumption.

</end rabid rant>

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

ScratchMonkey

2006-02-27, 7:41 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:kpq302hb2rtifjijg1hfcgp4m998f96cnm@4ax.com:

quote:

> A professor I worked for at the UGA Institute of Ecology, who taught
> the 'Introduction to Ecology' course, took Malthus's calculations out
> to 'when could the world no longer support everyone living at the
> level of comfort we enjoy here in the US?' and came up with a date
> sometime in the mid '90s, I think... A figure not altogether
> inaccurate if you take the median of home, land, vehicle, and 4 people
> to a household: the average American, not the richest, not the
> poorest.

What's his name? Is his calculation published? Does it allow for the fall-
off in birth rates in developed countries? If the birth rate in developing
countries falls off to match that of developed countries, does it
adequately compensate for the increased consumption?

quote:

> Not *completely* accurate. Money isn't the biggest influence on the
> reproduction rate; education is (or, at least it is in the US).

So poor highly-educated people have low birthrates and rich ignorant people
still have large families? How does that trend compare in developing
countries?

Randy Graham

2006-02-27, 7:41 pm

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:16:23 -0500, jtougas
<jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote:

quote:

>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:05:07 -0600, ScratchMonkey
><ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump
>on the keyboard and write:
>
>
>Malthus didn't predict the end so much as he predicted when the
>population of the world would overrun what the world can support,
>given a variety of levels of consumption. Not really the end, just a
>collapse.
>
>A professor I worked for at the UGA Institute of Ecology, who taught
>the 'Introduction to Ecology' course, took Malthus's calculations out
>to 'when could the world no longer support everyone living at the
>level of comfort we enjoy here in the US?' and came up with a date
>sometime in the mid '90s, I think... A figure not altogether
>inaccurate if you take the median of home, land, vehicle, and 4 people
>to a household: the average American, not the richest, not the
>poorest.

But why would you want everyone to enjoy the comfort level we have in
the US? Really, we have it too easy, and if the whole world lived at
our comfort level, we'd die off much faster due to fat- and
laziness-induced problems than due to exhaustion of resources.

I still believe the world's so-called population problem is self
solving. Maybe it was due to the indoctrination of one of my econ
professors in college. He says it better than I. Read "Apocolypse
Not" for his words of wisdom.
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...5Fencoding=UTF8
amazon link- - I'm sure it's available elsewhere).

quote:

>[snippify the rest]

RagManX
--
http://www.blahblahblahg.com/ - Blah about me.

ScratchMonkey

2006-02-27, 11:33 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:kpq302hb2rtifjijg1hfcgp4m998f96cnm@4ax.com:

quote:

> Part and parcel to that - every time I see someone driving a HUMMER I
> want to drag them out into the street and beat with a baseball bat.
> It's an irresponsible vehicle, a symbol of conspicuous consumption.

Are there people who actually buy for "conspicuous consumption"? Who ignore
gas usage and insurance rates and deliberately pay for a more expensive car
just to look wealthy? Or is the Hummer actually a good value for some uses?

The SUV is a good all-around vehicle for hauling cargo and family, for
people who can't afford two different dedicated vehicles for commuting and
cargo.

For me a better example of conspicuous consumption is a high-end graphics
card just to make game graphics look more realistic. Why burn so many watts
just to get the shading right? Esp. if you spend 90% of the time using the
machine for email and newsgroups, which could be done with a low-tech 2D-
only display. Apparently most gamers are far more obsessed with how a game
looks than how it plays, so the game writers write for the high-end cards,
and force everyone into a never-ending hardware upgrade cycle.

I suspect the motivation to buy a Hummer is similar, to get something that
"looks cool". (Maybe not to you, but to the buyer.) He's not buying it
because it's costly but because it's what he's seen his fictional heroes
drive. It's media-induced fantasy.

jtougas

2006-02-28, 2:35 am

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:17:32 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump
on the keyboard and write:

quote:

>jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
>news:kpq302hb2rtifjijg1hfcgp4m998f96cnm@4ax.com:
>
>
>What's his name?

Dr. James Porter
http://www.ecology.uga.edu/people/faculty/porterj.htm. His main field
of study is coral reefs, but he takes teaching the Ecology 1000 survey
class more seriously than he does teaching his grad students, I think,
and he's intimately familiar with the mathematics of population
biology.

Far more than I want to be. ;-)

quote:

>Is his calculation published?

Not to my knowledge. I'm pretty sure he did it as an intellectual
exercise, for use in class.

quote:

> Does it allow for the fall-off in birth rates in developed countries?

I would be surprised if he didn't, given that he discusses it in the
class.

quote:

>If the birth rate in developing countries falls off to match that of developed countries, does it
>adequately compensate for the increased consumption?

I'm fairly sure he would've thought of that as well, yes. *wry grin*

quote:

>
>So poor highly-educated people have low birthrates and rich ignorant people
>still have large families?

I didn't say it was the rule, I said it was the trend. It is true
that education tends to follow having money as well, but in rural
counties, the teen age birth rate drops off when teens are encouraged
to stay in school. And the lowest birth rate demographic is
"over-educated" people, with graduate degrees (who are not necessarily
from families of means... usually, but not always).

quote:

>How does that trend compare in developing countries?

I'm fairly sure it holds true, but I don't have stats to quote.

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

jtougas

2006-02-28, 2:35 am

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:18:52 GMT, Randy Graham
<ragmanx@gamerdemos.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard
and write:

quote:

>But why would you want everyone to enjoy the comfort level we have in
>the US?

I didn't say *I* wanted everyone to have our level of comfort. I agree
that the general populace of the US consumes more than it should.
Multiple TV's to a household, multiple vehicles, etc.

quote:

>Really, we have it too easy, and if the whole world lived at
>our comfort level, we'd die off much faster due to fat- and
>laziness-induced problems than due to exhaustion of resources.

Because humans,as a general rule, like being comfortable. We like
having AC, we like having refrigeration, we like having transportation
so we don't have to walk. The US is held up as a rich nation, because
the average citizen here has more comfort than the average citizen of
most of the rest of the world. And they think 'Hey, why can't we be
like that' and they aim to follow suit.

The same reason people have been moving here since the colonies
started: to get a new start, and get rich doing it. To have more than
they did when they got here. It's just now they realize they can do
it without leaving the comfortable surroundings of their homeland,
they can bring the mountain to Mohammed.

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

ScratchMonkey

2006-02-28, 7:38 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:7vs702dc9lmbpmjuqnk52gov6aitk0n16m@4ax.com:

quote:

> I didn't say *I* wanted everyone to have our level of comfort. I agree
> that the general populace of the US consumes more than it should.
> Multiple TV's to a household, multiple vehicles, etc.

I have those things, and I don't see why I "shouldn't". People who are
uncomfortable tend to be either serfs or revolutionaries. I'd rather be
comfortable, and have everyone else be comfortable, too.

ScratchMonkey

2006-02-28, 7:38 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:h8s702dqfmue60oole38ov2hltjmdrg40f@4ax.com:

quote:

> Dr. James Porter

Funny, that's my dad's name. I wonder if we're related? (But Porter's a
pretty big clan. I've got a geneology tracing my ancestors back 10
generations before it jumps to Britain.)

quote:

> the lowest birth rate demographic is "over-educated" people, with
> graduate degrees (who are not necessarily from families of means...
> usually, but not always).

Interesting, since one might expect it to be tied to lack of time for kids,
but one would expect the same dynamic of overworked business owners with no
degree.

jtougas

2006-02-28, 11:34 pm

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:24:56 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump
on the keyboard and write:

quote:

>jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
>news:h8s702dqfmue60oole38ov2hltjmdrg40f@4ax.com:
>
>
>Funny, that's my dad's name. I wonder if we're related? (But Porter's a
>pretty big clan. I've got a geneology tracing my ancestors back 10
>generations before it jumps to Britain.)

Who knows? Email him, find out. He'll be more than happy to talk to
you about Malthus in greater detail than I can. :-)

quote:

>
>Interesting, since one might expect it to be tied to lack of time for kids,
>but one would expect the same dynamic of overworked business owners with no
>degree.

Or computer techs with a degree in journalism. *wry grin, raises
hand* Not married yet. Prospects in a college town tend to scatter
when they get their degree...

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

jtougas

2006-02-28, 11:35 pm

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:19:10 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump
on the keyboard and write:

quote:

>jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
>news:7vs702dc9lmbpmjuqnk52gov6aitk0n16m@4ax.com:
>
>
>I have those things, and I don't see why I "shouldn't". People who are
>uncomfortable tend to be either serfs or revolutionaries. I'd rather be
>comfortable, and have everyone else be comfortable, too.

*nods* I'm (mostly) comfortable with what I've got (could do with a
smaller yard...), mostly because I know that my house is fairly
efficient (could be better), my car is fairly efficient (hooray for
Hondas...), and I recycle.

I would like to be able to afford to put solar cells on my roof, but I
can't.

I know that I don't do as much as some people do towards reducing my
'carbon footprint', but I also know I do more than others.
--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

Miracle

2006-03-01, 3:41 am

ScratchMonkey wrote:

quote:

> jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
> news:kpq302hb2rtifjijg1hfcgp4m998f96cnm@4ax.com:
>
>
> Are there people who actually buy for "conspicuous consumption"? Who
> ignore gas usage and insurance rates and deliberately pay for a more
> expensive car just to look wealthy? Or is the Hummer actually a good
> value for some uses?
>
> The SUV is a good all-around vehicle for hauling cargo and family, for
> people who can't afford two different dedicated vehicles for
> commuting and cargo.
>
> For me a better example of conspicuous consumption is a high-end
> graphics card just to make game graphics look more realistic. Why
> burn so many watts just to get the shading right? Esp. if you spend
> 90% of the time using the machine for email and newsgroups, which
> could be done with a low-tech 2D- only display. Apparently most
> gamers are far more obsessed with how a game looks than how it plays,
> so the game writers write for the high-end cards, and force everyone
> into a never-ending hardware upgrade cycle.
>
> I suspect the motivation to buy a Hummer is similar, to get something
> that "looks cool". (Maybe not to you, but to the buyer.) He's not
> buying it because it's costly but because it's what he's seen his
> fictional heroes drive. It's media-induced fantasy.

Note: this isn't directed at Scratch.

If you want to blast gas guzzlers, forget Hummers and look at the
Recreational Vehicles our elders are bopping around the country in.
RV's are doing GREAT to get *8**MPG*.
Yes, that's EIGHT miles per gallon!!
Some get a bit more, some even less. Yet no one is suggesting that
the retirees stay home during the winter months, are they? (I am,
but that's because all the nearly-deads end up here, doubling our
population and making driving and shopping a XXXXing nightmare.)

Tell you what, if I wanted a Hummer, whose business is it?

NO ONE'S, that's who. Sheesh.

--
Miracle

"Well-behaved women never make history."
- Maria Shriver

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ScratchMonkey

2006-03-01, 8:35 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:pp2a0217k0j4codlom1mjtbtqvf4rgp4gp@4ax.com:

quote:

> *nods* I'm (mostly) comfortable with what I've got (could do with a
> smaller yard...), mostly because I know that my house is fairly
> efficient (could be better), my car is fairly efficient (hooray for
> Hondas...), and I recycle.

I'm happy with my 2 bedroom, and the yard's a pain to maintain, more
because I have too much stuff in it and would rather game than go out and
toss stuff in the dumpster. My cars aren't the newest and therefore not the
most efficient, but I don't want a huge car payment (including insurance)
to offset a lower gas payment.

Recycling is mostly a scam. Except for aluminum, it wastes energy. But hey,
it means a lot of my trash (of which I generate little) can be dumped for
free. My biggest items are plastic milk bottles and metal cat food cans.
Now if they'd just let me recycle used cat litter, my regular trash can
would be virtually empty! ;)

ScratchMonkey

2006-03-01, 8:35 pm

jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
news:pp2a0217k0j4codlom1mjtbtqvf4rgp4gp@4ax.com:

quote:

> I know that I don't do as much as some people do towards reducing my
> 'carbon footprint', but I also know I do more than others.

http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1147

Frank van Schie

2006-03-01, 8:35 pm

ScratchMonkey wrote:

quote:

> jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
> news:pp2a0217k0j4codlom1mjtbtqvf4rgp4gp@4ax.com:
>
>
>
>
> I'm happy with my 2 bedroom, and the yard's a pain to maintain, more
> because I have too much stuff in it and would rather game than go out and
> toss stuff in the dumpster. My cars aren't the newest and therefore not the
> most efficient, but I don't want a huge car payment (including insurance)
> to offset a lower gas payment.
>
> Recycling is mostly a scam. Except for aluminum, it wastes energy.

Energy isn't the problem. The sun radiates enough energy every day with
to run our lives on. It's raw material which is going to be a problem,
mainly because we're not very good at excavating trashheaps compared to
stripmining.

Of course, getting that energy might be a problem. Heard a lot of good
things about biodiesel from algea.

quote:

> But hey,
> it means a lot of my trash (of which I generate little) can be dumped for
> free. My biggest items are plastic milk bottles and metal cat food cans.
> Now if they'd just let me recycle used cat litter, my regular trash can
> would be virtually empty! ;)

Coca Cola company recently replaced their bottles here, from refillable
doohickeys (rigid, sturdy bottles) to recyclable ones (that are flimsy
and can easily be dented with mild finger pressure). Re-use > recycling.

Oh, they managed to tack on a 40% price hike too, I XXXX you not.
--
Frank

Frank van Schie

2006-03-01, 8:35 pm

Miracle wrote:

[SACAIGAP]

quote:

> Tell you what, if I wanted a Hummer, whose business is it?

Randy Graham, Randy Graham, please report to the purple rotating 'magic
pearls' courtesy telephone.

Sorry, got my genders confused again.

quote:

> NO ONE'S, that's who. Sheesh.

Your right to purchase whatever you can lay down the money for is in no
way restricted by your being a tremendous XXXXXXX for buying such a vehicle.

Not, of course, that you'd immediately run out and buy a vehicle like
that, but that wasn't the point.

SUVs are still the bigger scourge, I think, as they get bought by 'moms'
that think they really need the excessive safety that driving a tank
provides. Well, maybe if you get hit by another goddamn SUV driven by
someone who should be driving an Aygo at most, for all the use they make
of it.

We get them here, now, too. They're not a huge hit, as they really suck
once you get near anything resembling a city.
--
Frank

jtougas

2006-03-01, 11:56 pm

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:14:31 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> trained 100 monkeys to jump
on the keyboard and write:

quote:

>jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
>news:pp2a0217k0j4codlom1mjtbtqvf4rgp4gp@4ax.com:
>
>
>http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1147

*cackle*

--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

jtougas

2006-03-01, 11:56 pm

On 1 Mar 2006 06:36:29 GMT, "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com>
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write:

quote:

> If you want to blast gas guzzlers, forget Hummers and look at the
>Recreational Vehicles our elders are bopping around the country in.
>RV's are doing GREAT to get *8**MPG*.
> Yes, that's EIGHT miles per gallon!!

Actually, I'll blast 'em both, thank you. The military version of the
HUM-V gets 8 miles to the gallon; there's a report out about a hybrid
version that doubles the fuel efficiency to 16mpg... as to what the
'civilian' versions I get, I couldn't tell you. I can tell you that
I'm not surprised in the least that there's no EPA MPG on the Hummer
website.

There are fuel efficient SUV's out there, that get relatively good gas
mileage, in the mid-20's-to-low-30's mpg on the highway. And there
are hybrid SUV's. Fantastic, I couldn't be happier, I don't give a
damn if someone's sitting higher than me. Me and my Honda can see
just fine looking under them.

But the US makes up about 5% of the world's population
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ok/geos/us.html
(est 300 million in July '05), and yet we're "the largest single
emitter of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels" in the
world.

That isn't balanced.
--
jtougas

"listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go" - e.e. cummings

Miracle

2006-03-02, 5:58 am

ScratchMonkey wrote:

quote:

> jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
> news:pp2a0217k0j4codlom1mjtbtqvf4rgp4gp@4ax.com:
>
>
> http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1147

ROFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG that's just too dead-on to be so funny, but.....LOL

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Miracle

2006-03-02, 5:58 am

Frank van Schie wrote:

quote:

> Miracle wrote:
>
> [SACAIGAP]
>
>
> Randy Graham, Randy Graham, please report to the purple rotating
> 'magic pearls' courtesy telephone.
>
> Sorry, got my genders confused again.

LOL !!!

quote:

>
> Your right to purchase whatever you can lay down the money for is in
> no way restricted by your being a tremendous XXXXXXX for buying such a
> vehicle.
> Not, of course, that you'd immediately run out and buy a vehicle like
> that, but that wasn't the point.

Well Frank, I bet you forgot that my "car" is a 1997 Dodge pickup truck,
which gets a whopping 16mpg. I'd rather have a Bradley tank, but I
understand that they're a tad hard to get hold of.

Now, before you get your panties in a twist, let me add that my
8-year-old truck has less than 8,000 miles on it. Yep, only 7,000 and
some odd miles. I never did drive much once we moved out here, and
my doctor, dentist, classroom, etc. are all within a very few miles of
the house. Hell, I could probably throw a rock and hit my dentist's office.
So I'm not exactly polluting the atmosphere, you dig?

quote:

> SUVs are still the bigger scourge, I think, as they get bought by
> 'moms' that think they really need the excessive safety that driving
> a tank provides. Well, maybe if you get hit by another goddamn SUV
> driven by someone who should be driving an Aygo at most, for all the
> use they make of it.

The only bad accident I was ever in was the one time I was driving
a girlfriend's VW bug. To my own wedding, btw. Now, the Pontiac that
was involved had a broken headlight.
The Beetle was *totalled*. Trashed. Junk.

I wasn't kidding- if I could get myself a tank, I'd be driving one.

quote:

> We get them here, now, too. They're not a huge hit, as they really
> suck once you get near anything resembling a city.

I suppose that's because your roads are narrower?

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quote:

>^,,^< Miracle

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Miracle

2006-03-02, 5:58 am

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Miracle wrote:

quote:

> I suppose that's because your roads are narrower?

Oops, wait- I was thinking about HumVees, and I bet you
were talking about SUVs?

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Frank van Schie

2006-03-02, 7:42 pm

Miracle wrote:

quote:

> Frank van Schie wrote:
>
>
> Well Frank, I bet you forgot that my "car" is a 1997 Dodge pickup truck,
> which gets a whopping 16mpg. I'd rather have a Bradley tank, but I
> understand that they're a tad hard to get hold of.
>
> Now, before you get your panties in a twist, let me add that my
> 8-year-old truck has less than 8,000 miles on it. Yep, only 7,000 and
> some odd miles. I never did drive much once we moved out here, and
> my doctor, dentist, classroom, etc. are all within a very few miles of
> the house. Hell, I could probably throw a rock and hit my dentist's office.
> So I'm not exactly polluting the atmosphere, you dig?

Indeed. I'm talking about people who drive a lot in huge gas-guzzling
vehicles that are mostly empty (and rarely if ever at nominal capacity).
These exist. You do not need seven seats if you are a family of four.

Nor do you need a Hummer unless your penis measures in anywhere under
five inches; even then, you can get surgery for that which is probably
cheaper, which then allows you to not be a jackass.

Having a truck because you need to haul a lot of shit, or having a gas
guzzler which you rarely drive, well, that's not exactly a problem in my
understanding of the world.

quote:

>
> The only bad accident I was ever in was the one time I was driving
> a girlfriend's VW bug. To my own wedding, btw. Now, the Pontiac that
> was involved had a broken headlight.
> The Beetle was *totalled*. Trashed. Junk.

Beetles were made by Hitler; QED.

More seriously; I am not saying that you, specifically, should get a
realistically sized vehicle, but that everyone should. I occasionally
see American cars driving in Delft; they're about 1.5 times as long and
wide as a normal 'city' car, it's ridiculous. Yes, if you ram a large,
heavy vehicle into a small, light vehicle, the small vehicle is
completely toast. IMHO downgrading to smaller vehicles is a LOT better
than upgrading everyone to gas guzzling giants.

I've ridden in normal sized cars, and you don't need the huge behemoths
for the long-duration comfort IME.

quote:

>
> I suppose that's because your roads are narrower?

Go into cities and you run the risk of going through streets originally
designed for carts (or simply pedestrian traffic).

--
Frank

Smeghead

2006-03-02, 7:42 pm

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:14:31 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote:

quote:

>jtougas <jatougasNOSPAM@charter.net> wrote in
>news:pp2a0217k0j4codlom1mjtbtqvf4rgp4gp@4ax.com:
>
>
>http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=1147

Will Ferrell's an unfunny prick.

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axe-wielding maniac. It's basically a cure...
for not being a homicidal axe-wielding maniac."
- Vyvyan

Smeghead

2006-03-02, 7:42 pm

On 1 Mar 2006 06:36:29 GMT, "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com> wrote:

quote:

>ScratchMonkey wrote:
>
>
> Note: this isn't directed at Scratch.
>
> If you want to blast gas guzzlers, forget Hummers and look at the
>Recreational Vehicles our elders are bopping around the country in.
>RV's are doing GREAT to get *8**MPG*.
> Yes, that's EIGHT miles per gallon!!
> Some get a bit more, some even less. Yet no one is suggesting that
>the retirees stay home during the winter months, are they? (I am,
>but that's because all the nearly-deads end up here, doubling our
>population and making driving and shopping a XXXXing nightmare.)
>
> Tell you what, if I wanted a Hummer, whose business is it?
>
> NO ONE'S, that's who. Sheesh.

Miracle want's a Hummer. :D

--
--==<S m e g h e a d>==--
"It turns anyone who drinks it into a homicidal
axe-wielding maniac. It's basically a cure...
for not being a homicidal axe-wielding maniac."
- Vyvyan

Miracle

2006-03-03, 5:33 am

Smeghead wrote:

quote:

> On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:14:31 -0600, ScratchMonkey
> <ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
>
>
> Will Ferrell's an unfunny prick.

<whips head left, right, left again>

Where'd *that* come from?

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quote:

>^,,^< Miracle

Miracle

2006-03-03, 5:33 am

Smeghead wrote:

quote:

> On 1 Mar 2006 06:36:29 GMT, "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com> wrote:
>
>
> Miracle want's a Hummer. :D

LOL Hey, let's all tell the truth: no one in their right mind
would pass on getting one....... :D

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quote:

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Smeghead

2006-03-03, 7:39 pm

On 3 Mar 2006 08:38:17 GMT, "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com> wrote:

quote:

>Smeghead wrote:
>
>
> <whips head left, right, left again>
>
> Where'd *that* come from?

From being sick for two weeks. :D Kinda cranky.

But it's an accurate assessment of my opinion of Will Ferrell.

--
--==<S m e g h e a d>==--
"It turns anyone who drinks it into a homicidal
axe-wielding maniac. It's basically a cure...
for not being a homicidal axe-wielding maniac."
- Vyvyan

Smeghead

2006-03-03, 7:39 pm

On 3 Mar 2006 08:39:47 GMT, "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com> wrote:

quote:

>
>
> LOL Hey, let's all tell the truth: no one in their right mind
>would pass on getting one....... :D

Sure, if it were drawn in a random lottery or something. I might drive
it about for a week, but then sell it.

I'm more "old school". I'd rather have a Jeep.

--
--==<S m e g h e a d>==--
"It turns anyone who drinks it into a homicidal
axe-wielding maniac. It's basically a cure...
for not being a homicidal axe-wielding maniac."
- Vyvyan

Miracle

2006-03-03, 7:39 pm

Smeghead wrote:

quote:

> "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com> wrote:
>
> From being sick for two weeks. :D Kinda cranky.

Oh yes, I'm very familiar with "cranky when sick"!!!!
:D

quote:

> But it's an accurate assessment of my opinion of Will Ferrell.

Well, in truth, that's also my opinion. Except for that scene in
"Old School", where he gets majorly drunk and runs thru town
buck naked. We rented that for 99 cents, and feel we got our
money's worth. LOL

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{{{{{HUGZ!}}}}}

quote:

>^,,^< Miracle

Randy Graham

2006-03-03, 11:35 pm

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:03:22 -0600, Smeghead <tribesfan@hotmail.com>
wrote:

quote:

>
>Miracle want's a Hummer. :D

See, now I saw that post and decided not to respond thusly. I didn't
want everyone thinking I'm a pervert. ;)

RagManX
--
http://www.blahblahblahg.com/ - Blah about me.

Miracle

2006-03-04, 5:34 am

Randy Graham wrote:

quote:

> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:03:22 -0600, Smeghead <tribesfan@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> See, now I saw that post and decided not to respond thusly. I didn't
> want everyone thinking I'm a pervert. ;)
>
> RagManX

Dude, get REAL- we KNOW you're a perv!!! LOL

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quote:

>^,,^< Miracle

Hellmark

2006-03-04, 5:34 am

Randy Graham's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his
body were:

quote:

> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:03:22 -0600, Smeghead <tribesfan@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> See, now I saw that post and decided not to respond thusly. I didn't
> want everyone thinking I'm a pervert. ;)

Too Late for that one, ragman!

Randy Graham

2006-03-04, 7:36 pm

On 4 Mar 2006 08:11:45 GMT, "Miracle" <GetLost@yourexpense.com> wrote:

quote:

>Randy Graham wrote:
>
>
> Dude, get REAL- we KNOW you're a perv!!! LOL

I know, but if I don't feign innocence on occasion, who knows what
people would think.

Do any of you watch House? Did you see the latest episode with the
super-model? Guys I work with all said they thought of me when that
one aired.

RagManX
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Miracle

2006-03-05, 5:32 am

Randy Graham wrote:

quote:

> "Miracle" wrote:
>
> I know, but if I don't feign innocence on occasion, who knows what
> people would think.

Okay, good point!

quote:

> Do any of you watch House? Did you see the latest episode with the
> super-model? Guys I work with all said they thought of me when that
> one aired.

Oh HELL yeah! How did you miss my online drooling over
Hugh Laurie?!?!? Dude is *smokin'* hot! Yum.......
Alas, he's married with kids, so that kinda blew the fantasy
out the window. But he's still fun to watch. :D

We watch it every week- the show is awesome.

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