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| Smeghead 2005-07-07, 8:47 pm |
| Cowards bombing London's mass transit?
Can we break out the nukes now?
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-07, 8:47 pm |
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"Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Cowards bombing London's mass transit?
>
> Can we break out the nukes now?
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er. no
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-07, 8:47 pm |
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> Cowards bombing London's mass transit?
>
> Can we break out the nukes now?
It's funny, I didn't think Brits were *that* disgruntled about public
transport.
I just can't *wait* until The Netherlands gets hit, given that we were
on a list they sent out some time back. They'll probably do The Hague
where our government sit, Amsterdam our capital city, or Rotterdam our
major port.
I'll be sure to stay out of the "Binnenhof", where government resides.
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Frank
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-07, 8:47 pm |
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quote:
> Smeghead wrote:
>
> It's funny, I didn't think Brits were *that* disgruntled about public
> transport.
>
> I just can't *wait* until The Netherlands gets hit, given that we were on
> a list they sent out some time back. They'll probably do The Hague where
> our government sit, Amsterdam our capital city, or Rotterdam our major
> port.
>
> I'll be sure to stay out of the "Binnenhof", where government resides.
>
> --
> Frank
I'm just thankful the worst is over.
I considering what they could have attacked - the airport, the eye, the
parliament, the palace(s) the gurkin...
Be happy these terrorists are kind of "half arsed".
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| On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
> I'm just thankful the worst is over.
For now, I fear.
quote:
> I considering what they could have attacked - the airport, the eye, the
> parliament, the palace(s) the gurkin...
>
> Be happy these terrorists are kind of "half arsed".
Hmm.
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-07, 8:47 pm |
| Mr K wrote:
quote:
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Ng wrote:
>
>
>
> For now, I fear.
>
>
> Hmm.
If it were me doing this, I'd make sure some of my boys were among the
'survivors' ASAP with dynamite strapped to their bodies. Taking out a
significant chunk of the rescuers should be discouraging for the
survivors of THAT.
But anyway, the target makes sense. London is fairly well known for its
subway, it had the potential for greater loss of human life, and I'm
fairly sure the subway will not be used enthusiastically by commuters
for some time.
--
Frank
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> If it were me doing this, I'd make sure some of my boys were among the
> 'survivors' ASAP with dynamite strapped to their bodies. Taking out a
> significant chunk of the rescuers should be discouraging for the
> survivors of THAT.
Frank, you frighten me sometimes. This is one of those times.
quote:
> But anyway, the target makes sense. London is fairly well known for
> its subway, it had the potential for greater loss of human life, and
> I'm fairly sure the subway will not be used enthusiastically by
> commuters for some time.
You're too young to remember air raids and self-imposed blackouts.
Perhaps you're too young to remember the days of the IRA bombings.
So you'll probably be shocked at the stoic attitudes of Londoners when
they return to riding "the tubes" as soon as they will.
Damn, what a horrific 24 hours this has been. I was still up, watching
the news when the first reports came on, and spent a good deal of
yesterday vainly attempting to get back in here to ask about Adrian,
Smeggy, Mr K, et al.
Good old CNN showed me and Ross all the horrific details in living
color. I knew Mr K was a fair distance away, but was very concerned
about Adrian and Smeggy. Especially Adrian- I'm sure you said you
live in London.
Thank all three of you for posting- gave me a BIG sigh of relief.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
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> yesterday vainly attempting to get back in here to ask about Adrian,
> Smeggy, Mr K, et al.
Shit! Not Smeggy. Who's the other fellow in the UK?
My mind is seriously not working, having actually slept during
most of the night for a change.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Smeghead wrote:
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> Can we break out the nukes now?
XXXXin' A man. But where is our target?
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> Frank van Schie wrote:
>
>
> Frank, you frighten me sometimes. This is one of those times.
Why? It's a simple look at goals. There are two targets: Symbolic ones,
like the WTC and the Pentagon, and fear-inducing ones, like targets that
are used by common folk. That makes public transportation a good one.
Once you've hit that target, damage is done, rescue folks are sent in.
Brave rescue folk who set everything aright. So if you want to induce
terror, blow the XXXX out of them. If not even the rescuers taking care
of survivors are safe, who is?
The answer, of course, is noone. Rescue workers will have to stay backed
off in the future, causing further loss of life in the aftermath of
future strikes, and future strikes can happen *anywhere*. Including
hospitals, schools, public services, etc. Even if you don't have the
resources to do a strike for years, people'll stay moderately cowed for
some time.
I'm not such a great thinker on these matters, but this seems obvious.
Not pleasant, but obvious.
Speaking of resources: I'm sure Bin Laden's crew made a killing (no pun)
on the markets yesterday and today. I had some index options in an
online game which I bought a week or so back, which quadrupled in value
within 2 hours, and today I bought other options which doubled in the
other direction. Had one known about this in advance, it would've been
free money.
Which raises the possibility that the actual goal of this attack was
simply a fund-raiser. Not exactly optimistic news.
quote:
> You're too young to remember air raids and self-imposed blackouts.
> Perhaps you're too young to remember the days of the IRA bombings.
> So you'll probably be shocked at the stoic attitudes of Londoners when
> they return to riding "the tubes" as soon as they will
Also true.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> Miracle Smith wrote:
>
> Why? It's a simple look at goals. There are two targets: Symbolic
> ones, like the WTC and the Pentagon, and fear-inducing ones, like
> targets that are used by common folk. That makes public
> transportation a good one.
> Once you've hit that target, damage is done, rescue folks are sent in.
> Brave rescue folk who set everything aright. So if you want to induce
> terror, blow the XXXX out of them. If not even the rescuers taking
> care of survivors are safe, who is?
>
> The answer, of course, is noone. Rescue workers will have to stay
> backed off in the future, causing further loss of life in the
> aftermath of future strikes, and future strikes can happen
> *anywhere*. Including hospitals, schools, public services, etc. Even
> if you don't have the resources to do a strike for years, people'll
> stay moderately cowed for some time.
>
> I'm not such a great thinker on these matters, but this seems obvious.
> Not pleasant, but obvious.
I suppose my initial shock was due to the fact that I think of
such things, but don't expect other folks to have such dark thoughts
as I sometimes.
Seeing it in print was a bit unnerving, I suppose.
quote:
> Speaking of resources: I'm sure Bin Laden's crew made a killing (no
> pun) on the markets yesterday and today. I had some index options in
> an online game which I bought a week or so back, which quadrupled in
> value within 2 hours, and today I bought other options which doubled
> in the other direction. Had one known about this in advance, it
> would've been free money.
>
> Which raises the possibility that the actual goal of this attack was
> simply a fund-raiser. Not exactly optimistic news.
Where have you been hiding this powerful, analytical, I-understand-
how-the-stock-market-works brain? You'd have me believe you're
just a working stiff who reads a lot of sci-fi and fiction, when in fact
you read a lot more non-fiction than fiction, evidently.
Damn, I wish now that I'd consulted you before buying that penny
stock. In a Canadian diamond mine, no less.......
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| On 8 Jul 2005 11:26:33 GMT, Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> Shit! Not Smeggy. Who's the other fellow in the UK?
> My mind is seriously not working, having actually slept during
> most of the night for a change.
Huh, we got through a few years of being bombed and we're still
determined. What makes some people think that three or four bombs will
make us stop and think?
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
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"Miracle Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Damn, what a horrific 24 hours this has been. I was still up, watching
> the news when the first reports came on, and spent a good deal of
> yesterday vainly attempting to get back in here to ask about Adrian,
> Smeggy, Mr K, et al.
>
> Good old CNN showed me and Ross all the horrific details in living
> color. I knew Mr K was a fair distance away, but was very concerned
> about Adrian and Smeggy. Especially Adrian- I'm sure you said you
> live in London.
>
I'm fine. I live in Harrow - but go to Kings Cross frequently.
There is a plaque on the wall where some passengers died in a bombing (i
think)
Heh. Now there will be two.
Its kind of weird seeing your train station on tv like that.
I remember they were doing some sort of construction work on it as well (as
they've always been).
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
> I'm fine. I live in Harrow - but go to Kings Cross frequently.
>
> There is a plaque on the wall where some passengers died in a bombing
> (i think)
> Heh. Now there will be two.
> Its kind of weird seeing your train station on tv like that.
> I remember they were doing some sort of construction work on it as
> well (as they've always been).
Yeesh, that was too close. Ross tells me that Kings
Cross is a very busy station- he used it daily back when
he worked in London.
We heard on the news here that the third train was
nearly into Paddington Station when it blew up. I think
the distance was 100 meters out. The little bit I know
about London tells me that Paddington Station is very
close to the Tower of London, isn't it?
If the bombing bastards had taken out that cool old
landmark I think I'd be on a ship, on my way over there to
find some bomber's XXX!
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
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"Miracle Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Adrian Ng wrote:
>
>
> Yeesh, that was too close. Ross tells me that Kings
> Cross is a very busy station- he used it daily back when
> he worked in London.
>
> We heard on the news here that the third train was
> nearly into Paddington Station when it blew up. I think
> the distance was 100 meters out. The little bit I know
> about London tells me that Paddington Station is very
> close to the Tower of London, isn't it?
I worked at Paddington last year. I have no idea where Tower of London is
relative to that.
quote:
> If the bombing bastards had taken out that cool old
> landmark I think I'd be on a ship, on my way over there to
> find some bomber's XXX!
I'm annoyed they blew up a double decker bus!
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| Hellmark 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| Miracle Smith's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his
body were:
quote:
> If the bombing bastards had taken out that cool old
> landmark I think I'd be on a ship, on my way over there to
> find some bomber's XXX!
If you do that, let me grab some guns, a chainsaw, and some of my other
playtoys and tag along!
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
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"Hellmark" <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Miracle Smith's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his
> body were:
>
> If you do that, let me grab some guns, a chainsaw, and some of my other
> playtoys and tag along!
and the duck cum?!?!?!
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| DEbig3 2005-07-08, 8:39 pm |
| One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of "Smeghead"
<tribesfan@hotmail.com> coming from a tree, and thought, "Man, this is f*ed
up," but carried on the following conversation anyway:
quote:
> Cowards bombing London's mass transit?
>
> Can we break out the nukes now?
>
nukes? you people need to stop making assumptions/overreacting. for
starters, as has been noted, this was a fairly weak (i wouldve said
pathetic, but i suspect that wouldve been interpretted by some as an insult
to the integrity of the bombers) attack. if not for the multiple targets (i
refuse to call this coordinated, its not that XXXXing difficult to set
multiple timers to go off reasonably close together), this would hardly be
anything special. second part, all the people automatically assuming this
was an islamic/al qaeda attack are XXXXing morons. while it is a
possibility, its not a given. there are terrorists that arent islamic, you
XXXXing idiots.
miracle, if it was a horrific 24 hours, youre way too XXXXing sensitive. as
stated before, this was a pretty pathetic attack as far as terroristic acts
go. this could almost be classified more easily along with the attacks in
iraq that occur, oh, i dunno.. nearly every XXXXing day. at least in terms
of scale.
--
Adept
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> I suppose my initial shock was due to the fact that I think of
> such things, but don't expect other folks to have such dark thoughts
> as I sometimes.
> Seeing it in print was a bit unnerving, I suppose.
My mind works in odd ways. Not in any way depressed about such matters,
but looking at the dark side. The reasoning I'd give is that what I
*think* doesn't change a thing about what I do unless I want it to, so I
might as well indulge the Dark Side.
quote:
>
> Where have you been hiding this powerful, analytical, I-understand-
> how-the-stock-market-works brain? You'd have me believe you're
> just a working stiff who reads a lot of sci-fi and fiction, when in fact
> you read a lot more non-fiction than fiction, evidently.
Not true. On, pretty much, all accounts. The brain was on display, and
it doesn't really understand the stockmarket, just the very basic
processes concerning it.
quote:
> Damn, I wish now that I'd consulted you before buying that penny
> stock. In a Canadian diamond mine, no less.......
Don't believe me. I'm no major investor, and am not likely to ever be
such. I just don't have the mind that covers all the angles and
possibilities. But options, especially index options, are easy.
Bad news => index goes down
Expect bad news => buy puts
Good news => index goes up
Expect good news => buy calls
Then you can go to straddles to make a more limited amount of money on
any major course shift (either up or down) while losing if the course
stays horizontal or strangles for horizontal movement of underlying
values, or any of the other well-known constructions.
One might also expect expensive orders to come in to British
construction companies with tunneling experience, after these attacks.
This would cause their stockprice (if they're public) to rise. That
isn't insight, that's simply an effect of having badly damaged tunnels.
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
> "Hellmark" <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.07.08.20.47.02.16892@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com...
>
>
> and the duck cum?!?!?!
The duck cums later.
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| Hellmark 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Adrian Ng's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
were:
quote:
> "Hellmark" <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.07.08.20.47.02.16892@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com...
> and the duck cum?!?!?!
If you want mayo on dead people, have at it.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
> I worked at Paddington last year. I have no idea where Tower of
> London is relative to that.
My memory cells insist it's near to Paddington, but knowing
how they've failed me lately, I could be dead wrong. Hell, I can't
remember what we had for supper last night. Sheesh.
quote:
> I'm annoyed they blew up a double decker bus!
I just saw new footage of what was left of the bus on
the nightly news. Those poor souls. 
The news reiterated that there apparently was a suspicious
fellow on that bus, and that the bomb blew up prematurely. It
was the number 30, headed to Kings Cross, but had been
rerouted after the first train blast.
So the thinking is that the fourth bomb was late getting on
another train.
AnnieMae and I were talking on the 4th about all the money
our government is spending on "homeland security" and what
a farce it is. No one is safe, no matter who you are or where in
the world you live. If it's your time to go, you're gonna go, and
no amount of tax money is going to prevent that.
All it takes is one fanatic with something explosive to create
havoc. And religions are full of fanatics.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Hellmark wrote:
quote:
> Miracle Smith's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through
> his body were:
>
> If you do that, let me grab some guns, a chainsaw, and some of my
> other playtoys and tag along!
I mean, *seriously*, it's one thing to blow up a skyscraper,
but when they start blowing up historical landmarks, it's time
to get PISSED OFF.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
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>
> and the duck cum?!?!?!
*'Scuze* me?!?!?!?
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| DEbig3 wrote:
quote:
> miracle, if it was a horrific 24 hours, youre way too XXXXing
> sensitive. as stated before, this was a pretty pathetic attack as far
> as terroristic acts go. this could almost be classified more easily
> along with the attacks in iraq that occur, oh, i dunno.. nearly every
> XXXXing day. at least in terms of scale.
It's not scale that affects me, Biggie, it's each individual death.
In your eyes, I might be too sensitive, but the older I get the
more my heart aches for each unnecessary death. Whether that
death is from senseless war, starvation, or the act of a lunatic.
It's all so senseless and stupid.
I *have* to rail against it, express my dismay, grieve for the dead.
It's just part of who I am. I have little sympathy for idiots who manage
to kill themselves in the act of breaking the law. I'm of the opinion
that they got what they deserved.
But when innocent folks get killed or maimed by others, it affects
me. And if it ever stops affecting me, well that's just too scary to dwell
on.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-09, 12:34 am |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> Miracle Smith wrote:
>
> Not true. On, pretty much, all accounts. The brain was on display, and
> it doesn't really understand the stockmarket, just the very basic
> processes concerning it.
>
>
> Don't believe me. I'm no major investor, and am not likely to ever be
> such. I just don't have the mind that covers all the angles and
> possibilities. But options, especially index options, are easy.
> Bad news => index goes down
> Expect bad news => buy puts
> Good news => index goes up
> Expect good news => buy calls
>
> Then you can go to straddles to make a more limited amount of money on
> any major course shift (either up or down) while losing if the course
> stays horizontal or strangles for horizontal movement of underlying
> values, or any of the other well-known constructions.
Huh?!?!?!? Oh my word- I thought a person simply bought
"stocks". I have no clue what "puts" and "calls" are, and don't
want to know! I'll just stick to my plan of dying poor. Its simpler!
quote:
> One might also expect expensive orders to come in to British
> construction companies with tunneling experience, after these attacks.
> This would cause their stockprice (if they're public) to rise. That
> isn't insight, that's simply an effect of having badly damaged
> tunnels.
Yes, okay, that I can follow. I'm too lazy to do anything,
but I 'capiche'.
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| Smeghead 2005-07-09, 3:33 am |
| On 8 Jul 2005 11:26:33 GMT, "Miracle Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net>
wrote:
quote:
>Miracle Smith wrote:
>
>
> Shit! Not Smeggy. Who's the other fellow in the UK?
>My mind is seriously not working, having actually slept during
>most of the night for a change.
I was fixin' ta say!
The most dangerous thing I have to worry about for the moment is
hurricane Dennis blowing my house over down here by New Orleans.
--
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| Smeghead 2005-07-09, 3:33 am |
| On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:15:28 +0100, Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
>On 8 Jul 2005 11:26:33 GMT, Miracle Smith wrote:
>
>
>Huh, we got through a few years of being bombed and we're still
>determined. What makes some people think that three or four bombs will
>make us stop and think?
Because it worked on the pussified Spanish!
Brits have stiff upper lips!
The Spanish have limp, foppy wrists.
Please, don't bomb us, Mr. Terrorist! We'll back down! We'll empower
your tactics!
I think the title of "Surrender Monkeys" should go from the French and
be bestowed upon the Spanish. At least for the time being.
--
--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Smeghead 2005-07-09, 3:33 am |
| On 8 Jul 2005 11:28:40 GMT, "Miracle Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net>
wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote:
>
>
> XXXXin' A man. But where is our target?
The hearts and minds of man.
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| On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:39:01 -0500, Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> Because it worked on the pussified Spanish!
>
> Brits have stiff upper lips!
>
> The Spanish have limp, foppy wrists.
>
> Please, don't bomb us, Mr. Terrorist! We'll back down! We'll empower
> your tactics!
>
> I think the title of "Surrender Monkeys" should go from the French and
> be bestowed upon the Spanish. At least for the time being.
People seem to have forgotten the number of years that the IRA did similar
things. Did they end up getting what they wanted?
Ah well, enough of this silly mud-slinging thread for myself.
--
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| Smeghead 2005-07-09, 6:33 am |
| On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 08:51:36 +0100, Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
>On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:39:01 -0500, Smeghead wrote:
>
>
>People seem to have forgotten the number of years that the IRA did similar
>things. Did they end up getting what they wanted?
Excellent point. It's not an effective method (unless used against
those without resolve). One thing the British have always had is, as
Secretary Rumsfeld put it, "steel" of uncommon strength.
quote:
>Ah well, enough of this silly mud-slinging thread for myself.
It's not often I get the chance to tweak Spain and France in the same
instance! Couldn't pass it up.
--
--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-09, 6:33 am |
|
"DEbig3" <debig3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of
> "Smeghead"
> <tribesfan@hotmail.com> coming from a tree, and thought, "Man, this is
> f*ed
> up," but carried on the following conversation anyway:
>
>
> nukes? you people need to stop making assumptions/overreacting. for
> starters, as has been noted, this was a fairly weak (i wouldve said
> pathetic, but i suspect that wouldve been interpretted by some as an
> insult
> to the integrity of the bombers) attack. if not for the multiple targets
> (i
> refuse to call this coordinated, its not that XXXXing difficult to set
> multiple timers to go off reasonably close together), this would hardly be
> anything special. second part, all the people automatically assuming this
> was an islamic/al qaeda attack are XXXXing morons. while it is a
> possibility, its not a given. there are terrorists that arent islamic, you
> XXXXing idiots.
Wait - where did this come from?
I think everyone here already agrees with you on most of this -
(apart from the bit about people being morons for making the most logical
assumption, i guess)
quote:
> miracle, if it was a horrific 24 hours, youre way too XXXXing sensitive.
> as
> stated before, this was a pretty pathetic attack as far as terroristic
> acts
> go. this could almost be classified more easily along with the attacks in
> iraq that occur, oh, i dunno.. nearly every XXXXing day. at least in terms
> of scale.
>
> --
> Adept
Quite right,
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-07-09, 8:34 pm |
| "Adrian Ng" <spam.ng@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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quote:
> I think everyone here already agrees with you on most of this -
> (apart from the bit about people being morons for making the most
> logical assumption, i guess)
The horror! We all agree with D!
And I was concerned at the quick jumping-to-conclusion that this was
Islamist and not something else, perhaps Irish. All religious people are
nuts, but most aren't violently nuts. Including most Islamists.
The thing that bugs me most about disasters is the media's desire to rub
our noses in it for as long as possible and get the most milage from it.
Good old Yellow Journalism. And even the most "respectable" news
organizations do it, holding onto a story long after they've run out of any
new information. It's not like there isn't a lot of other stuff happening
in the world, much of it good. But good news doesn't sell like bad news.
That's why I don't follow the major media.
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-09, 8:34 pm |
|
"ScratchMonkey" <ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> "Adrian Ng" <spam.ng@btopenworld.com> wrote in
> news:dao4jm$53u$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:
>
>
> The horror! We all agree with D!
>
> And I was concerned at the quick jumping-to-conclusion that this was
> Islamist and not something else, perhaps Irish. All religious people are
> nuts, but most aren't violently nuts. Including most Islamists.
>
> The thing that bugs me most about disasters is the media's desire to rub
> our noses in it for as long as possible and get the most milage from it.
> Good old Yellow Journalism. And even the most "respectable" news
> organizations do it, holding onto a story long after they've run out of
> any
> new information. It's not like there isn't a lot of other stuff happening
> in the world, much of it good. But good news doesn't sell like bad news.
> That's why I don't follow the major media.
What do you read?
The local paper?
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-09, 8:34 pm |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> Frank van Schie wrote:
>
>
> Huh?!?!?!? Oh my word- I thought a person simply bought
> "stocks". I have no clue what "puts" and "calls" are, and don't
> want to know! I'll just stick to my plan of dying poor. Its simpler!
I'll tell you anyway. "Put options" allow you to sell stock at a certain
price. "Call options" allow you to buy stock at a certain price. You pay
a premium for this right. The option is time-limited, meaning it will
expire at a certain pre-determined date. After this it is entirely useless.
You have the underlying value which is the stock value the option is for
(you can buy MSFT (Microsoft) options, for example, giving right to do
with MSFT stock). Each option has a strike price, which is the price at
which you can execute the option. A call option for $40 allows you to
buy one share for $40. If you have one while the underlying value if
$50, you get a $10 discount (minus the premium you paid for the option).
If the underlying value is actually $30, then the option is worthless,
and it will expire.
With puts, you speculate that stock is going to go down. After all, it
allows you to sell at a certain price, so that if stock goes up you
won't use the option but simply sell the stock as usual, whereas if the
stock price goes down you can sell it above market value. Calls
speculate in the other direction.
Usually you don't use options to buy or sell stock, but you simply buy
and sell the option itself. Most options are not executed at all.
It's an interesting market tool 
quote:
> Yes, okay, that I can follow. I'm too lazy to do anything,
> but I 'capiche'.
Same here. "Dying poor" sounds like an attainable plan for me. :P
--
Frank
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-09, 8:34 pm |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> AnnieMae and I were talking on the 4th about all the money
> our government is spending on "homeland security" and what
> a farce it is. No one is safe, no matter who you are or where in
> the world you live. If it's your time to go, you're gonna go, and
> no amount of tax money is going to prevent that.
>
> All it takes is one fanatic with something explosive to create
> havoc. And religions are full of fanatics.
It has always been the case. No reason to get too upset about it, as
there *is* safety in numbers, but you're not less safe now than a few
years ago, just 'cause you know about the loonies.
I see no reason to panic.
--
Frank
| |
|
| On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:13:50 +0200, Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> I'll tell you anyway. "Put options" allow you to sell stock at a certain
> price. "Call options" allow you to buy stock at a certain price. You pay
> a premium for this
.... time for a beer, methinks.
Er, oh aye... [snip]
--
"There's violence to be done."
R.L.U. #300033, running WM 0.80.1 under MDK9.1(and a half)
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> The most dangerous thing I have to worry about for the moment is
> hurricane Dennis blowing my house over down here by New Orleans.
Yes, we just saw the latest satellite photos- it's veering a bit west,
looking to hit land betwen Panama City, Fla. and Mobile, Ala.
Y'all batten down those hatches!! It's coming ashore *tonight*.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> On 8 Jul 2005 11:28:40 GMT, "Miracle Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> The hearts and minds of man.
Good target! Let's just stick "evil" between "of" and "man" and
I think we've got ourselves a plan.
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| ScratchMonkey wrote:
quote:
> The thing that bugs me most about disasters is the media's desire to
> rub our noses in it for as long as possible and get the most milage
> from it. Good old Yellow Journalism. And even the most "respectable"
> news organizations do it, holding onto a story long after they've run
> out of any new information. It's not like there isn't a lot of other
> stuff happening in the world, much of it good. But good news doesn't
> sell like bad news. That's why I don't follow the major media.
Mercy, I wish it was just the majors! Remember the Harrier
that went down in a backyard here? It was on the local news
*every* *single* newscast, until a family of 6 was found murdered
two weeks ago.
The details of the murder, the hunt for the suspect, and the
funereals of the dead is all that the local news programs are
concerning themselves with.
I finally gave up watching it until the next local disaster comes
along. At least the New York and Los Angeles news programs
have something different every day. Saw some awesome car
crashes tonight on Fox's local news. ;)
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> Miracle Smith wrote:
>
> Same here. "Dying poor" sounds like an attainable plan for me. :P
/me 'high fives' Frank. :D
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> Miracle Smith wrote:
>
> It has always been the case. No reason to get too upset about it, as
> there *is* safety in numbers, but you're not less safe now than a few
> years ago, just 'cause you know about the loonies.
>
> I see no reason to panic.
Exactly. I grieve for the innocents who die or suffer, and
contribute what I can to relief efforts. That's the most that
many of us can do.
I wish I had stayed physically fit, that way I could be
volunteering my presence more, which is how I envisioned
my retirement years. Oh well, on to Alternate Plan B.........
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| Mr K wrote:
quote:
> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:13:50 +0200, Frank van Schie wrote:
>
>
> ... time for a beer, methinks.
>
> Er, oh aye... [snip]
I believe I'll have some Ben & Jerry's ice cream!
Two new favorites are "Fossil Fuel" and "Chocolate
Cookie Mint".
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-10, 3:32 am |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> funereals
Good grief! That's not right, is it?
Where's that damn spell-check when I need it?
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-07-10, 8:36 pm |
| "Adrian Ng" <spam.ng@btopenworld.com> wrote in news:dap1c5$i1o$1
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quote:
> What do you read?
>
> The local paper?
Slashdot's fun. And there's here and my team's forums. And lots of mailing
lists for different Linux packages.
Alas, the world is also full of busybodies with too much time on their
hands, trying to tell everyone else what to do. So those of us who want to
mind our own business end up having to waste a lot of time policing our
"representatives" (hah!) in the halls of politics to make sure they're not
screwing us over once the voting is over. Since we have to do that anyway,
what's the point of having representatives? We might as well all go to run
the government personally.
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-07-10, 8:36 pm |
| Frank van Schie <frankNOSPAM@email.it> wrote in
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quote:
>
> It has always been the case. No reason to get too upset about it, as
> there *is* safety in numbers, but you're not less safe now than a few
> years ago, just 'cause you know about the loonies.
Those who die by terrorism or plane crashes all die in one place at once,
so it's pretty spectacular and makes good fodder for the news. But in
terms of numbers, it's still pretty small compared to other causes. Far,
far more die in automobile incidents but they die alone, and it's common,
so it doesn't make the major media. Even the local paper will only report
those that are particularly unusual. Then there's all the little kids who
drown in buckets. And the safety nazis who want to mandate the
manufacture of deliberate leaks in the buckets to prevent it.
The thing that bugs me the most about terrorism is that all the popular
authors and TV/movie writers start using terrorists as the only
conceivable villain. 10 years ago it was international drug cartels.
These people have no imagination, and their lack of imagination carries
over into an unreasonable fear in the general populace. Far too many
resources and far too much panic is directed at a small source of risk.
It's similar to the way the media treat guns in America. To tell from the
movies, America really is one big wild west, and every American is an
irresponsible version of Dirty Harry, armed to the teeth and totally
clueless about how to use the hardware, ready to shoot at the smallest
slight.
My brother works for the MTA (subway) in LA and regularly works with
directors who want to use "his" trains for movies. He was involved with
the making of Speed, for instance. He tells me some pretty amazingly
stupid things the directors want to do for dramatic effect, totally at
odds with technical reality, and a good way to mislead the public into
yet another political stampede in the wrong direction.
| |
| Frank van Schie 2005-07-10, 8:36 pm |
| ScratchMonkey wrote:
quote:
> Those who die by terrorism or plane crashes all die in one place at once,
> so it's pretty spectacular and makes good fodder for the news. But in
> terms of numbers, it's still pretty small compared to other causes. Far,
> far more die in automobile incidents but they die alone, and it's common,
> so it doesn't make the major media. Even the local paper will only report
> those that are particularly unusual. Then there's all the little kids who
> drown in buckets. And the safety nazis who want to mandate the
> manufacture of deliberate leaks in the buckets to prevent it.
I absolutely LOVE this news story. Read it:
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=3521
quote:
> The thing that bugs me the most about terrorism is that all the popular
> authors and TV/movie writers start using terrorists as the only
> conceivable villain. 10 years ago it was international drug cartels.
> These people have no imagination, and their lack of imagination carries
> over into an unreasonable fear in the general populace. Far too many
> resources and far too much panic is directed at a small source of risk.
Yeah, cause "everybody knows" what the movies say.
quote:
> It's similar to the way the media treat guns in America. To tell from the
> movies, America really is one big wild west, and every American is an
> irresponsible version of Dirty Harry, armed to the teeth and totally
> clueless about how to use the hardware, ready to shoot at the smallest
> slight.
>
> My brother works for the MTA (subway) in LA and regularly works with
> directors who want to use "his" trains for movies. He was involved with
> the making of Speed, for instance. He tells me some pretty amazingly
> stupid things the directors want to do for dramatic effect, totally at
> odds with technical reality, and a good way to mislead the public into
> yet another political stampede in the wrong direction.
Well yeah. Good TV is simply not based entirely in reality. Otherwise
the Hero would take a few more magazines of ammunition on his bad-guy
shooting sprees.
--
Frank
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-11, 3:34 am |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
quote:
> Shit! Not Smeggy. Who's the other fellow in the UK?
~*Shrodinger*~!!!!!!!! He's the other UK dweller!
Anyone heard fron Shro?
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-11, 3:34 am |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
> I absolutely LOVE this news story. Read it:
> http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=3521
Love it, love it, love it! Everything at The Onion is top notch.
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| Randy Graham 2005-07-11, 6:34 am |
| On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:54:18 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
quote:
>Cowards bombing London's mass transit?
>
>Can we break out the nukes now?
As usual, I'm late to the party, but I wanted to respond. As some of
you may know, I now work as a contractor maintaining Unix systems for
the IRS here in Memphis, TN. On the day of the attacks,
allllllllllllll-the-XXXXing-way over in London, what does the US
government do? Heighten the security at gov't locations. So because
some XXXXtard blows up a bus in XXXXsville, Europe, I have to get a
3-finger XXX probe before I can go to work at a civilian government
site which contains nothing of value? Excellent choice, Mr. Bush.
And yes, I blame that XXXX-head for every damn moronic "security"
measure that we have to suffer through, just because he seems to want
to throw money away on useless "security" rules that do nothing but
reduce the security of our nation. But that's a topic for another
rant.
RagManX
http://www.gamepatches.info/ - Are you up to date?
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-11, 8:37 pm |
|
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> Miracle Smith wrote:
>
>
> ~*Shrodinger*~!!!!!!!! He's the other UK dweller!
>
> Anyone heard fron Shro?
>
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i heard he races cars on a BBC television show called "Top Gear".
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| Quixote 2005-07-11, 8:37 pm |
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quote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:54:18 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
> forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> As usual, I'm late to the party, but I wanted to respond. As some of
> you may know, I now work as a contractor maintaining Unix systems for
> the IRS here in Memphis, TN. On the day of the attacks,
> allllllllllllll-the-XXXXing-way over in London, what does the US
> government do? Heighten the security at gov't locations. So because
> some XXXXtard blows up a bus in XXXXsville, Europe, I have to get a
> 3-finger XXX probe before I can go to work at a civilian government
> site which contains nothing of value? Excellent choice, Mr. Bush.
>
> And yes, I blame that XXXX-head for every damn moronic "security"
> measure that we have to suffer through, just because he seems to want
> to throw money away on useless "security" rules that do nothing but
> reduce the security of our nation. But that's a topic for another
> rant.
>
> RagManX
> http://www.gamepatches.info/ - Are you up to date?
I never thought I would hear you complain about free sex........
Quixote
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-12, 3:34 am |
| Randy Graham wrote:
quote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:54:18 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
> forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> As usual, I'm late to the party, but I wanted to respond. As some of
> you may know, I now work as a contractor maintaining Unix systems for
> the IRS here in Memphis, TN. On the day of the attacks,
> allllllllllllll-the-XXXXing-way over in London, what does the US
> government do? Heighten the security at gov't locations. So because
> some XXXXtard blows up a bus in XXXXsville, Europe, I have to get a
> 3-finger XXX probe before I can go to work at a civilian government
> site which contains nothing of value? Excellent choice, Mr. Bush.
>
> And yes, I blame that XXXX-head for every damn moronic "security"
> measure that we have to suffer through, just because he seems to want
> to throw money away on useless "security" rules that do nothing but
> reduce the security of our nation. But that's a topic for another
> rant.
Oh no, lets get it on while the iron is hot, so to speak:
Last night I read this marvelous piece of work from some
moronic chick who is bailing out of the good ole U S of A,
but amid her bile are some real truths. Brace yourself with
beverage of choice and join me in some potent anger.
Here's her post, verbatim:
quote:
> It's unfortunate the news media is government controlled, otherwise
> American's would hear the truth about their government, and the
> atrocities they themselves have and are committing against humanity,
> of which they so quickly condemn others for committing.
>
> What the news is forbidden to talk about is just how Bush is
> liberating the Iraqi people. For example :
>
> By intentionally bombing Baghdad water purification system,
> their dams, reservoirs, water and sewage systems, causing the
> sewage to flow into the Tigress River, contaminating the water
> causing massive deaths by disease.
>
> http://www.ummah.net/waragainstislam/western.htm
>
> Intentionally contaminating the Iraqi people, the land, water, air,
> even our own soldiers with depleted uranium, just as Bush Sr
> did in 1990/91.
>
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082304W.shtml
>
> Of the 575,000 soldiers in Gulf I, 325,000 are either dead or on
> permanent disability today.
>
> And just how does the US government/CIA show their
> appreciation for those who are willing to sacrifice their lives,
> based on nothing but the government's lies, enabling the
> cowards in Washington D.C. who are never willing to make
> any sacrifices, they only fill their bank accounts from the
> billions in profits, by forcing our soldiers to take their
> potentially lethal, experimental anthrax vaccine, even
> after the courts ordered it stopped, but the DOD continued
> for another 18 months. Yes, the same vaccine that's caused
> countless deaths, major health problems in young healthy
> adults, and major birth defects.
>
> And of course they use the usual cover up classified for
> national security, which is nothing more than a way to
> protect those responsible for 20-25 years for the crimes
> they've committed.
>
> http://www.anthraxadeadlyshotinthedark.com/
> http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/co...305anthrax.html
>
>
> Intentionally bombed two children's hospitals filled with
> defenseless, sick children, etc., etc. The list just goes on and
> on.
>
> 26 Mar 2003 - Rutbah children's hospital aerial bombardment
>
> 02 Apr 2003 9:30AM Red Crescent maternity hospital and vicinity,
> Baghdad nearby Government buildings aerial bombardment
>
> http://www.iraqbodycount.net/databa...p?ts=1119286382
>
>
> 04 Apr 2003 - 04 May 2003 - Al-Alwiyah Children's Hospital,
>
> http://www.iraqbodycount.net/databa...p?ts=1119286563
>
> Yes, the US government/CIA give a whole new meaning to
> the words liberation, freedom and democracy, and how
> they show their appreciation, bar none.
>
> It's the US government/CIA who claims they're for human
> rights, democracy and freedom, while they themselves are
> responsible for the deaths of 6 million innocent lives
> throughout the world with their torture, illegal overthrowing
> governments, including democratic governments, mass
> extermination for population control using their created
> bio-chemicals, germ warfare, contamination from their
> depleted uranium, including our own soldiers, etc.
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse...article4068.htm
>
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/082304W.shtml
>
> I wonder how many American's are even aware of the fact that
> Wackenhut Security, owned and run by ex-CIA/FBI agents just
> happened to be in charge of airport security at all three airports
> on 9/11 where the planes were hijacked.
>
> Yes, the same Wackenhut Security who Bush has teamed up with
> FEMA, who receives 99% of all government security contracts without
> bidding of course, and who has recently replaced the security at both
> West Point and Annapolis.
>
> And the real clincher was, supposedly, the job of Bush's appointed
> 9/11 COVER UP commission was to find out how the attacks could
> have happened in the first place, yet never questioned Wackenhut
> Security.
>
> They apparently weren't concerned or already knew just how 19
> hijackers managed to not only get past passenger security without
> tickets, just as they didn't care about how those same 19 hijackers
> managed to get past the boarding gates without boarding passes.
> Because they already knew it was the CIA who planned and attacked
> the US. Just as 99% of the world knows it, and they all can't be
> wrong.
>
> Another very interesting fact that didn't make the news either,
> regarding
> the so called experts backing up the government's BS about how steel
> columns covered in fire retardant material, between concrete slabs
> softened in less than 10 minutes, one supposedly a university of
> Colorado civil engineering professor and the Trade Center's
> construction manager, Hyman Brown. When in fact Hyman
> Brown is only a Senior Instructor - Construction Management.
>
> The news story about Hyman Brown and his quotes about what caused
> the WTC building to collapse :
>
> http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/...itstoomuch.html
>
> I did a search about this news article, and this Hyman Brown.
> Some very interesting information came up.
>
> First, there's two different sets of URL's leading to the civil
> engineering
> dept for this University. The first set of URL's has the company name
> of Bechtel in the URL.
>
> Bechtel as in the same Bechtel Corp that Rumsfeld was once
> President of, who even made deals with Saddam on behalf of
> Bechtel during Reagan administration,
>
> http://www.radioproject.org/archive/2003/2103.html
>
>
> and Bechtel who just happens to be sharing the contracts to rebuild
> Iraq along with Halliburton.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...11/BU141131.DTL
>
> And the Bechtel URL's shows one person as Hyman Brown, and the
> civil.colorado.edu URL shows a totally different person as Hyman
> Brown.
>
> The first URL's connected with a Hyman Brown is :
>
> http://bechtel.colorado.edu/new/fac...ple.cgi?faculty
> http://bechtel.colorado.edu/new/fac...eople.cgi?brown
>
> The second URL, without Bechtel's name in the URL for the
> university of Colorado showing the faculty, happens to show a
> totally different person as being Hyman Brown :
>
> http://civil.colorado.edu/web/people/index.html
>
> Another "Expert" named was Masoud Sanayei, from Tuft University,
> also connected to Bechtel.
>
> http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...i+bechtel&hl=en
> http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...i+bechtel&hl=en
>
> A very interesting quote by HENRY KISSINGER in an address
> to the super secret Bilderberg Organization meeting at Evian,
> France, May 21, 1992. as transcribed from a tape recording
> made by one of the Swiss delegates will be destroyed :
>
> "Today American's would be outraged if U.N. troops entered
> Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful.
> This is especially true if they were told there was an outside
> threat from beyond, WHETHER REAL OR PROMULGATED,
> that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples
> of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from
> this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When
> PRESENTED with this SCENARIO, INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
> will be WILLINGLY relinquished for the guarantee of their well
> being granted to them by THEIR WORLD GOVERNMENT."
>
> And I wonder how many American's are aware it was their very own
> US government/CIA who created, trained and financed the Contra's,
> who mass tortured and murdered tens of thousands of innocent lives
> and intentionally destabilized Nicaragua economically to put their
> dictator puppets in power ?
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse...article4068.htm
>
> http://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/spee...oric/rriran.htm
>
> Yes, friends like the US government/CIA, who needs enemies.
>
> According to the definition of a terrorist, the only one's who qualify
> is the US government/CIA and the British government who have
> illegally invaded two nations based on intentional lies.
>
> Definition of " TERRORIST" :
>
> "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or
> violence by a person or an organized group against
> people or property with the intention of intimidating
> or coercing societies or governments, often for
> ideological or political reasons. "
>
> Definition of " Ideological "
>
> " a theory, or set of beliefs or principles, especially
> one on which a political system, party or organization
> is based : socialist/capitalist ideology "
>
> Someone really needs to get Bush a dictionary and teach him
> how to read.
>
> Another prime example, he keeps calling those fighting to prevent
> the US and Britain from stealing their nation and oil, insurgents.
>
> If a nation invaded America and tried to take it over, and
> Americans fought to prevent them from succeeding, would they
> be insurgents, or PATRIOTS ?
>
> Yes, believe it or not, the same applies to the Iraqi people,
> meaning they're PATRIOTS, and not insurgents like Bush keeps
> trying to brain wash people into thinking.
>
> But based on American's track record, I wouldn't bet on them
> doing much fighting against anyone. No, their idea of how to
> solve the corruption, crime and atrocities their government
> is doing to them and around the world, they have peaceful
> demonstrations with signs, or even more stupid, the write to
> the very people who are screwing them in the first place and
> complain.
>
> I wonder how many people are aware that the AID's virus,
> West Nile virus were both not only created at the CIA
> laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland, but the cure for AID's
> which has proven to work with only one injection even
> happens to be patented.
>
> AIDS patent :
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...Sect2=HITOFF&d=
> PALL&op=1&U=/methyl/rhenium.html&R=1&if=G&al=50&s1=5676977.WKU
> .&OS=PN/5676977&RS=PN/5676977
>
> United States Patent 5,676,977
> Antelman October 14, 1997
> Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal
> devices
>
> Abstract
>
> The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide
> (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus,
> destroying
> AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing
> moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the
> devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM
> of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono
> and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of
> electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered
> into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by
> pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will
> simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in
> divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the
> entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic.
> However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but
> there is no loss of liver function.
>
> Inventors: Antelman; Marvin S. (Rehovot, IL)
> Assignee: Antelman Technologies Ltd. (Providence, RI)
> Appl. No.: 658955
> Filed: May 31, 1996
>
> AID's cure works :
>
> http://www.boydgraves.com/news/111103.doc
>
> I suspect the bombings in London are a diversion to get people's
> minds away from the truth coming out about the lies to invade Iraq,
> the Downing memo's, and about the reporters and naming their source
> regarding the leak from the white house about the CIA agent. Just
> a guess.
>
> I wonder how many American's are aware there was even a trial in
> 1999 held in Memphis, TN, which the jury found the US government,
> State of TN, Memphis, TN law enforcement and others guilty for the
> conspiracy and assassination of Dr. Martin L. King Jr.
>
> It came out in the trial "James E. Ray was a patsy, just as Lee H.
> Oswald had been".
>
> According to the government and their propaganda, James E. Ray
> assassinated Dr. King Jr.
>
> Amazing given the fact James E. Ray wasn't even in Memphis, TN on
> the day of the assassination. And had the government really tested
> the rifle like they claimed, and stated it was the murder weapon, they
> would have found the scope had never been calibrated and would
> have missed hitting Dr. King Jr by 3-4 feet.
>
> But then, the government already was aware of the fact, since they
> planned and carried out the assassination in the first place, and made
> up their bogus lies in their report to feed the American people, just
> as
> they've done about 9/11, and the Kennedy assassination.
>
> BTW, Dr. King Jr. wasn't assassinated for his civil rights movement
> like people were programmed to believe, but instead he was becoming
> a threat with his anti-war movement, just as Kennedy had become.
> And the big boys weren't willing to give up making billions in profits
> from
> weapons and arms sales, government equipment etc.
>
> Amazing how 3 towers happened to perfectly implode with precision,
> and supposedly without demolition on that day. Except for the fact
> that
> the WTC controller stated in a PBS documentary he gave the
> order for the WTC building 7 to be brought down. Which confirmed
> there were explosives already placed throughout the building.
>
> Then FEMA made the stupid statement claiming it was the well
> protected diesel fuel tank that exploded.
>
> As for the twin towers, first they claimed the trusses gave way as
> to why they fell, but as usual they don't do their homework, just
> make ludicrous claims. Then they change their lies when they
> discovered the trusses's weren't the main support for the
> entire building, but instead the central column cores were,
> which were still standing after the collapse.
>
> When a government is allowed to investigate themselves,
> you no longer have a democracy, but rather a dictatorship
> to cover up your crimes and atrocities, as the US government
> has become.
>
> Prime example, and maybe someone can explain to me just how
> child pornography rings, pedophiles, sex slave rings etc.,
> protecting the sick, twisted, demented, perverted, low life
> scum running and involved with can even be thought of as
> NATIONAL SECURITY, much less be classified as NATIONAL SECURITY.
>
> Yes, all investigations were stopped by the CIA, giving the
> excuse of NATIONAL SECURITY.
>
> Well I guess when you have so many top government officials
> who are participating, including Bush Sr., you certainly don't
> want it found out.
>
> http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/...1805madsen.html
>
> http://www.parapolitics.info/phorum...=36&i=671&t=671
>
> http://illuminati-news.com/bush-cia...child-abuse.htm
>
> And yet Congress had the audacity to impeach Clinton because he
> lied to a grand jury about having sex between two consenting
> adults, which wasn't anyone's business in the first place.
> Amazing.
>
> And if people believe the US government gives a rats tail about them,
> or America, this should prove just how much.
>
> The US government has been illegally taxing wages/salaries since
> 1917, even stealing people's property based on owed back taxes
> which were illegal to begin with. While the elite/wealthy were filling
> their bank accounts, the American people and America have been
> raped for decades and doing without.
>
> "In 1916, after the Supreme Court ruled in
> Brushaber that wages were not income within
> the meaning of the 16th Amendment, Congress was
> forced to amend the Income Tax Act of 1913, to
> remove wages from the definition of taxable
> income. See Section 25 of the Income Tax Act of
> 1916. Then, in 1917, Congress amended its Act
> of 1916, to outlaw the withholding of wages
> from the paychecks of citizens and directed
> the Executive Department to refund all wages
> withheld. All this, of course was done to bring
> the code into compliance with the Brushaber".
>
> http://www.givemeliberty.org/docs/T...hCD/Attach1.htm
>
> Something people really need to give serious thought to,
> before you're so willing to give up all your rights as a free
> nation. Because it's nothing but made up lies so the
> government can take those rights and your freedom
> from you, which is exactly what they're doing, and
> it's their goal.
>
> Forget about Republican and Democrat, it's become "We
> the Government, By the Government, For the Government",
> and no longer "We the People, By the People, For the People",
>
> It's the people who decide what kind of future they want, either
> freedom or a police state, and if you believe giving up all your
> rights is going to protect you, then the government's goal making
> sure people don't get educated has been reached, and people
> are nothing more than enslaved sheep without brains. That
> being the case, they really don't need freedom.
>
> Until the US government/CIA terrorist network is shut down,
> there will never be peace for humanity, because it's a money
> making, power controlling business, at the expense of humanity.
>
> Who always makes the sacrifices ? It's never the elite, wealthy,
> or top government officials or their family members, no they have
> the hardship of stealing the American people blind, and raking
> in the trillions in profit.
>
> Prime example, Congress has been aware since the end of 2001
> there's $3.7 trillion missing from the HUD and DOD accounts,
> and has done absolutely nothing about it.
>
> That's approx $4 million for every adult in America they've pocketed
> from the taxes they've been illegally taxing the American people
> on their wages/salaries.
>
> That's not counting the bogus "War on Drugs", program, which the
> American people have been paying for so the CIA makes 100% profit
> from their drug trafficking network.
>
> In 2001 there was 83 tons of cocaine exported from Afghanistan under
> the Taliban, and in 2002 under Bush's new puppet there was 350 +
> tons of cocaine exported. Yes, we can see just how much progress
> has been made thanks to Bush's BS "War on Drugs" dept.
> They're raking in trillions, and the American people are going further
> into poverty with the government raping them for every dime they
> can.
>
> So yes, your Great Aunt, along with other American's who believe
> the ever changing lies by the US government, might want to start
> thinking for themselves, and stop believing a government based
> only on their word, and no evidence.
>
> Foreign terrorists don't need to attack the US to bring it down, the
> US government is managing to do that quite well on their own.
>
> And someone really needs to get Bush a dictionary and teach him
> how to read.
>
> Prime example, he keeps calling those fighting to prevent the US and
> Britain from stealing their nation and oil, insurgents. If a nation
> invaded
> America and tried to take it over, would you be called insurgents, or
> PATRIOTS ?
>
> Yes, believe it or not, the same applies to the Iraqi people, meaning
> they're PATRIOTS, and not insurgents and Bush keeps trying to brain
> wash people into thinking.
>
> As for my family, along with 46 other families who have and
> are in the process of leaving the US, as we prefer to live in
> freedom, and can't support a corrupted, pre-meditated mass
> murdering government who has brought America down to
> the lowest level ever thought possible by mankind.
>
> And people ignoring the facts, or keeping their heads buried
> because they don't want to do anything about it, or afraid
> they'll loose what little they have left, trust me, it's not going
> to change the facts, and you're going to loose what little you
> do have left anyway. You can take that to the bank.
>
> When the American people won't even go out on a non-violent
> national strike forcing the corruption out of office and held
> accountable for the atrocities they've committed and are
> committing against humanity, then the American people
> are just as guilty as those in Washington D.C.
>
> It's beyond pitiful when other nations riot against Bush every
> where he goes, and the American people can't really be that
> stupid to believe the government BS crap they're jealous of
> America. Because there's nothing left to be jealous of.
>
> American's have already lost their self respect years ago, and
> now are loosing their jobs, homes, charging themselves into
> massive debt just to survive, rather than standing up for
> themselves and the crimes being committed against them.
>
> Yes, I would have to say American's are probably the stupidest
> people on the planet.
>
> When American's can't even see their nation referred to as
> "SATAN", and Bush is named one of the three most evil men
> in history, along side of Saddam and Hitler, then it's safe to
> say there isn't a chinamen's chance in hell of American's
> taking back what's been stolen from them, the nation they
> claim to love and care so much about, and returning it to
> the nation it once was.
>
> Before American's agree to support the mass murdering of hundreds
> of thousands of innocent lives, perhaps they require verified evidence
> first, and not just the word of Bush. Especially since Bush Sr.,
> pulled the same trick in 1990/91, and even later admitted it.
>
> But Congress, who is supposed to work for the American people, and
> is paid by the American people, instead chose to commit treason,
> rather than impeach the criminal.
>
> Yes, the Bush family certainly gives a new meaning to democracy.
>
> I didn't intend for this to be so long, but people really need to
> get their heads out of the sand, and stop believing they live in
> Pleasantville, USA, and start seeing the government for what
> they really are, and what's really going on right under their noses.
> Because it's not going to be much longer before it will be to late to
> do anything about it.
>
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| DEbig3 2005-07-12, 8:39 pm |
| One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of "Miracle
Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net> coming from a tree, and thought, "Man, this is
f*ed up," but carried on the following conversation anyway:
quote:
> Brace yourself with
> beverage of choice and join me in some potent anger.
> Here's her post, verbatim:
>
conspiracy theorists are funny. so are the people that take them seriously.
;p
--
Adept
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| Quixote 2005-07-12, 8:39 pm |
|
"DEbig3" <debig3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9691B5D713F08omgwtf@216.196.97.136...
quote:
> One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of "Miracle
> Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net> coming from a tree, and thought, "Man, this
> is
> f*ed up," but carried on the following conversation anyway:
>
>
> conspiracy theorists are funny. so are the people that take them
> seriously.
> ;p
>
I would say something, but the black helicopters are circling my house and I
can't find my aluminum foil hat...
Quixote
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| Adrian Ng 2005-07-13, 8:36 pm |
|
"Quixote" <quixote@writeme.com> wrote in message
news:11d8jedfcheqr9a@corp.supernews.com...
quote:
>
> "DEbig3" <debig3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9691B5D713F08omgwtf@216.196.97.136...
>
> I would say something, but the black helicopters are circling my house and
> I can't find my aluminum foil hat...
>
> Quixote
>
quick! say something! anything! before they know you're on to them!
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| Frank van Schie 2005-07-13, 8:36 pm |
| Miracle Smith wrote:
[snip quote from someone else][vbcol=seagreen]
[snip]
Hi, this is your daily nutjob report. We've got nutjobs in droves today,
especially over the continental US. There's some violent nutjobs moving
in from the south, despite best efforts by the violent nutjobs already
present. Our main story, however, concerns a MASSIVE nutjob right here
on Usenet.
You can tell by the ALL CAPS words of terms which may, or MAY NOT peak
your INTEREST. Also, the fact that the person cannot spell an acronym
like AIDS correctly is a big tip-off.
See, there's also patents for engines that can move a spacecraft forward
using matter/anti-matter reactions which, while it could be possible,
isn't implemented by a long shot.
Besides, patents contain more than just the abstract; they contain the
entire invention described in detail, as per law. Therefore, if it did
contain the cure to AIDS, some silly little African country would have
already started massproducing the stuff and selling it in Europe and the
US for $10 a pop, even if only on the black market. And if word got out
over this, no face could be saved if politicians tried to stifle it.
--
Frank
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| Miracle Smith 2005-07-13, 8:36 pm |
| DEbig3 wrote:
quote:
> One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of
> "Miracle Smith" <miracle@spamcop.net> coming from a tree, and
> thought, "Man, this is f*ed up," but carried on the following
> conversation anyway:
>
>
> conspiracy theorists are funny. so are the people that take them
> seriously. ;p
Not all of her links are theories, Biggie. There's more truth
in all that she referred to than not.
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| Randy Graham 2005-07-15, 8:46 pm |
| On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:04:01 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
forth from "Quixote" <quixote@writeme.com>:
quote:
>
>"Randy Graham" <ragmanx@spamex.com> wrote in message
>news:do54d19pg59bkvaulv85tlkgl60ifdeb64@4ax.com...
>
>I never thought I would hear you complain about free sex........
OK, that made me laugh.
It's not the free sexual experience I mind, so much as the lack of
cuddle time when they're done.
How's that?

quote:
>Quixote
RagManX
http://www.gamepatches.info/ - Are you up to date?
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| Quixote 2005-07-15, 8:46 pm |
|
"Randy Graham" <ragmanx@spamex.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:04:01 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
> forth from "Quixote" <quixote@writeme.com>:
>
>
> OK, that made me laugh.
>
> It's not the free sexual experience I mind, so much as the lack of
> cuddle time when they're done.
>
> How's that?
>
> 
>
:^)
Quixote
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-07-16, 8:38 pm |
| Randy Graham <ragmanx@spamex.com> wrote in
news:j8tfd157it5hj9otsg65l10ejid5k92651@4ax.com:
quote:
> It's not the free sexual experience I mind, so much as the lack of
> cuddle time when they're done.
Not to mention the (lack of) sweet talk leading up to it! There's just no
romance anymore....
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