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| Smeghead 2005-03-21, 7:08 pm |
| In the wake of a thoroughly disappointing sequal to the Tribes
franchise, and in light of some really impressive games out there,
what has been taking up most of your time?
I'm currently involved in unlocking all the various goodies in Burnout
3: Takedown on the PS2. On the PC I'm diddling with Halo.
I want to take up playing Far Cry, but my current card is just two
shades too weak to push the graphics in it.
I saw Battlefield 1942 on a bargain shelf and considered getting it,
but wanted to get some real-life reviews first. Anyone here still
active in BF1942?
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--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Adrian Ng 2005-03-21, 7:08 pm |
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"Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9eku319kvsuh8s6e3h9idroqmeq5ba3h1i@4ax.com...
quote:
> In the wake of a thoroughly disappointing sequal to the Tribes
> franchise, and in light of some really impressive games out there,
> what has been taking up most of your time?
>
> I'm currently involved in unlocking all the various goodies in Burnout
> 3: Takedown on the PS2. On the PC I'm diddling with Halo.
>
> I want to take up playing Far Cry, but my current card is just two
> shades too weak to push the graphics in it.
>
> I saw Battlefield 1942 on a bargain shelf and considered getting it,
> but wanted to get some real-life reviews first. Anyone here still
> active in BF1942?
>
> --
> --==< S m e g h e a d >==--
Whenever i wanna see if i like a game i download the demo!
I recently downloaded the far cry demo,
it was good.
I hear Battlefield 2 is coming out, but thats all i can say about
battlefield,
never played it, you see.
Counter Strike Source is good mindless fun, but it may be two shades too
strong
for your graphics card.
I hear there's some interesting real time strategy games, such as Rome Total
War and Dawn of War.
However, as with everyone else in this group. You should focus on your real
hobby - Cameras!
(yes that is your hobby it HAS to be)
Ok now lets talk about cameras for the next 40 posts or so.
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| Michael Bain 2005-03-21, 10:36 pm |
| >>>>> "Smeghead" == Smeghead <tribesfan@hotmail.com> writes:
Smeghead> I saw Battlefield 1942 on a bargain shelf and considered
Smeghead> getting it, but wanted to get some real-life reviews
Smeghead> first. Anyone here still active in BF1942?
Yep, BF1942 still rocks. There are still 2000-3000 people playing
it. (Compared to maybe 300 playing TV.) Even Battlefield Vietnam is
pretty cheap these days.
You have to hand it to the Battlefield franchise; they regularly put
out patches and new maps, even over a year after the game came out.
I'm still waiting on the TV patch and the maps are getting old ...
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Michael Bain
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| Frank van Schie 2005-03-22, 6:57 pm |
| Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
> Counter Strike Source is good mindless fun, but it may be two shades too
> strong
> for your graphics card.
Plus it's a twitch game, and it's a kill-count game. While working as a
team increases your team's wins, and thus your own killcount, the
teamscores are fairly irrelevant in the way of things.
Good mindless fun, indeed.
quote:
> I hear there's some interesting real time strategy games, such as Rome Total
> War and Dawn of War.
Played both, liked both a lot. Dawn of War is too XXXXing short in the
single player, and the multi player seems a bit unbalanced (basically,
whenever I'm playing someone else, I lose, regardless of which race I pick)
Rome: Total War (RTW) is fan-XXXXing-tastic. It's got a 'turn-based'
strategic map portion, and whenever armies meet it goes down to a
real-time tactical game with realistic tactics actually working. No
silly myth units, but some really cool historical units. And if they
meet near a river, they fight near a river. Meet next to a mountain, and
fight in the foothills.
I especially like Armored War Elephants, in skirmishes. If you want to
test a unit, simply line up a few thousand peasants on the enemy side,
and the unit you want to test on your side. I charged about 16 Armored
War Elephants and some souped up cavalry into the peasant masses, and it
was GOOD.
And sieges kick XXX, or at least when you try to lift or force one.
quote:
> Ok now lets talk about cameras for the next 40 posts or so.
One-tracked mind?
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| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> In the wake of a thoroughly disappointing sequal to the Tribes
> franchise, and in light of some really impressive games out there,
> what has been taking up most of your time?
>
> I'm currently involved in unlocking all the various goodies in Burnout
> 3: Takedown on the PS2. On the PC I'm diddling with Halo.
>
> I want to take up playing Far Cry, but my current card is just two
> shades too weak to push the graphics in it.
>
> I saw Battlefield 1942 on a bargain shelf and considered getting it,
> but wanted to get some real-life reviews first. Anyone here still
> active in BF1942?
Since we now have a REAL geek store here, with every game
and every game platform imaginable here, I am totally lost standing
in front of all those colorful boxes.
However, I know that I want to stay with PC games. With all the
hype surrounding the release of GT-4 here, I wonder if this driving
game is any fun?
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quote:
> ^,,^< Miracle, hoping it's not actually GranTourismo *5*
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| Smeghead 2005-03-23, 4:50 am |
| On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:11:56 +0000 (UTC), "Adrian Ng"
<spam.ng@btopenworld.com> wrote:
quote:
>
>"Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:9eku319kvsuh8s6e3h9idroqmeq5ba3h1i@4ax.com...
>
>Whenever i wanna see if i like a game i download the demo!
Got the demo for Far Cry, looks like a beautiful slideshow on my
graphics card.
quote:
>I recently downloaded the far cry demo,
>it was good.
I think so too. The sound is really excellent. Something that seems
have eluded the lads that developed T:V.
quote:
>I hear Battlefield 2 is coming out, but thats all i can say about
>battlefield,
>never played it, you see.
I played a demo ages ago. Can't recall my impressions, which can't be
good.
quote:
>
>Counter Strike Source is good mindless fun, but it may be two shades too
>strong
>for your graphics card.
Probably. I've not even downloaded the demo for HL2 for fear that I
would weep with frustration at not being able to play it smoothly.
quote:
>I hear there's some interesting real time strategy games, such as Rome Total
>War and Dawn of War.
I haven't a strategic bone in my body. I'm amazed that I can plot a
course from my car to the front door where I work.
quote:
>However, as with everyone else in this group. You should focus on your real
>hobby - Cameras!
Hell yeah! Funny you should mention it. I just upgraded a few
megapixels in my digital camera ownership.
My wife has a couple of 35mm SLR's.
The appeal of digital cameras for me, though, is the ability to take a
staggering amount of point-n-shoot snaps with out the cost of
traditional film development. With the birth of my daughters, we
figured it would be a fun and economical way to chronicle their early
years.
Our latest digital is a Kodak LS753 5 megapixel. Which is a welcome
boost up from our slowly darkening 2.2 megapixel camera.
quote:
>(yes that is your hobby it HAS to be)
It is, as a diddler and a fiddler, but not as an aficionado.
(Actually, my hobby is computers)
quote:
>Ok now lets talk about cameras for the next 40 posts or so.
Sounds like a plan!
I give stage to Fabrice and Mr. K, who are far more interesting and
informed on this topic.
Just one question. What is an f-stop?
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| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> Just one question. What is an f-stop?
An adjustment of the lens, which regulates how much light
is allowed to pass through. That, combined with shutter speed,
is the "exposure" of a particular frame of film.
And no, I did NOT look it up. 
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{{{{{HUGZ!}}}}}
quote:
>^,,^< Miracle
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-03-23, 10:40 pm |
| "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:9eku319kvsuh8s6e3h9idroqmeq5ba3h1i@4ax.com:
quote:
> I saw Battlefield 1942 on a bargain shelf and considered getting it,
> but wanted to get some real-life reviews first. Anyone here still
> active in BF1942?
I liked the Secret Weapons add-on, which includes some faster vehicles and
an almost-useful jet pack. You can get it bundled with the base game and
the Road to Rome add-on, which has some pretty good maps.
I prefer Desert Combat Final, a popular mod for BF42. You'll need to
download Desert Combat 0.7 plus the DCF mod (which is sort of a mod to a
mod). Desert Combat Extended (DCX) is another mod-to-a-mod that's pretty
fun, with more and more powerful weapons, but DCX maps take longer to load
and fewer people play it. There's a lot of DCF servers going.
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| Adrian Ng 2005-03-25, 6:53 pm |
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Oh and i hear Silent Hunter III (a submarine sim) is awesome.
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| On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Ng wrote:
quote:
> Oh and i hear Silent Hunter III (a submarine sim) is awesome.
Nothing could beat "Aces of the deep" (imho).
Imagine my surprise when I read the name of the developers... Dynamix..:
http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1857
--
"There's violence to be done."
R.L.U. #300033, running WM 0.80.1 under MDK9.1(and a half)
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| Ratz2010 2005-03-25, 6:53 pm |
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"Mr K" <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42441960$0$26742$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
quote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Ng wrote:
>
>
> Nothing could beat "Aces of the deep" (imho).
>
> Imagine my surprise when I read the name of the developers... Dynamix..:
> http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1857
according to the write up on Mechwarrior @ underdogs.org, the physics model
fasa studio used was dynamix's. interesting, i didn't know that.
quote:
> --
> "There's violence to be done."
> R.L.U. #300033, running WM 0.80.1 under MDK9.1(and a half)
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| Mr K wrote:
quote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Ng wrote:
>
>
> Nothing could beat "Aces of the deep" (imho).
>
> Imagine my surprise when I read the name of the developers...
> Dynamix..: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1857
DOS required, dammit. Plus, it's in the past- that's a deal breaker
for an old fart like me. I cut my teeth on Asimov's writings.
/me sighs
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quote:
> ^,,^< Miracle, a lifetime [LD], DkAngel
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| On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:27:22 -0700, >^,,^< wrote:
quote:
> DOS required, dammit. Plus, it's in the past- that's a deal breaker
> for an old fart like me. I cut my teeth on Asimov's writings.
>
> /me sighs
Nowt wrong with dos. That was the last OS that Micro$oft released that you
could actually tell *it* what hardware you had.
--
"There's violence to be done."
R.L.U. #300033, running WM 0.80.1 under MDK9.1(and a half)
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| Mr K wrote:
quote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:27:22 -0700, >^,,^< wrote:
>
>
> Nowt wrong with dos. That was the last OS that Micro$oft released
> that you could actually tell *it* what hardware you had.
True, but I still rue the fact that about the time I plunged whole-
heartedly into DOS, Win95 was released and I won a computer, finally.
One spin with the mouse and DOS was cast to the rubbage bin.
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quote:
> ^,,^< Miracle, a lifetime [LD], DkAngel, and don't get me started
on this damn Windows Installer sheeeit.
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| Frank van Schie 2005-03-25, 10:38 pm |
| >^,,^< wrote:
quote:
> Mr K wrote:
>
>
>
>
> DOS required, dammit.
Tricky software, but there's DosBox, over at Sourceforge:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dosbox/
quote:
> Plus, it's in the past- that's a deal breaker
> for an old fart like me. I cut my teeth on Asimov's writings.
>
> /me sighs
Have you read Iain M. Banks? His Culture novels are fantastic. I love
the idea of ships, sometimes carrying millions of passengers, having
names like "GSV So Much For Subtlety", "GSV Size Isn't Everything", "GCU
Funny, It Worked Last Time...", and so on.
And the stories are actually pretty bloody good, too.
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| >^,,^ 2005-03-25, 10:38 pm |
| Frank van Schie wrote:
quote:
>
> Have you read Iain M. Banks? His Culture novels are fantastic. I love
> the idea of ships, sometimes carrying millions of passengers, having
> names like "GSV So Much For Subtlety", "GSV Size Isn't Everything",
> "GCU Funny, It Worked Last Time...", and so on.
>
> And the stories are actually pretty bloody good, too.
No, but I'm adding him to my reading list!
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>^,,^< Miracle
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| Frank van Schie 2005-03-25, 10:38 pm |
| >^,,^< wrote:
quote:
> Frank van Schie wrote:
>
>
> No, but I'm adding him to my reading list!
Oh, also: Vernor Vinge and several of his books:
A Deepness in the Sky, and the same-universe book (published earlier) A
Fire Upon the Deep.
The Peace War and Marooned in Realtime, almost sequels, though fairly
disparate, to be found in a single volume: Across Realtime.
Look 'm up, and you'll see good reviews for all of these
--
Frank
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| Smeghead 2005-03-26, 10:42 pm |
| On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:25:27 +0000, Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:28:33 -0600, Smeghead wrote:
quote:
>
>http://www.uscoles.com/fstop.htm
>... yeah, what that page says.
What that pages says in volumes, you mean! I think I might understand
it finally!
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--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Smeghead 2005-03-26, 10:42 pm |
| On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:11:40 -0600, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
quote:
>"Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:9eku319kvsuh8s6e3h9idroqmeq5ba3h1i@4ax.com:
>
>
>I liked the Secret Weapons add-on, which includes some faster vehicles and
>an almost-useful jet pack. You can get it bundled with the base game and
>the Road to Rome add-on, which has some pretty good maps.
>
>I prefer Desert Combat Final, a popular mod for BF42. You'll need to
>download Desert Combat 0.7 plus the DCF mod (which is sort of a mod to a
>mod). Desert Combat Extended (DCX) is another mod-to-a-mod that's pretty
>fun, with more and more powerful weapons, but DCX maps take longer to load
>and fewer people play it. There's a lot of DCF servers going.
Cool. I remember reading early on about spawn killing being an
aggravating issue. Is that true?
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--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Smeghead 2005-03-26, 10:42 pm |
| On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC), "Adrian Ng"
<spam.ng@btopenworld.com> wrote:
quote:
>
>Oh and i hear Silent Hunter III (a submarine sim) is awesome.
>
I be lovin' some covert torpin' action!
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--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Smeghead 2005-03-26, 10:42 pm |
| On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:55:40 +0000, Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:41:00 +0000 (UTC), Adrian Ng wrote:
>
>
>Nothing could beat "Aces of the deep" (imho).
>
>Imagine my surprise when I read the name of the developers... Dynamix..:
>http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1857
My favorite sub sim of all time is Silent Service. Used to play for
hours and hours on the old C=64.
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--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-03-27, 6:55 pm |
| "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:8f8c41prvflibivqsamdb66rnuq3msced5@4ax.com:
quote:
>
> Cool. I remember reading early on about spawn killing being an
> aggravating issue. Is that true?
Well-run servers ban attacks on the uncapturable flag points, but if you
spawn in a capturable, it's open season. Then there's servers that
generally are well-run but have one or two admins who are, uhm, less then
adequate and kick/ban-happy. Mr K should know what I'm talking about. ;)
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-03-27, 6:55 pm |
| Frank van Schie <frankNOSPAM@email.it> wrote in
news:6oKdnRqXesu6P9nfRVnytg@casema.nl:
quote:
> Oh, also: Vernor Vinge and several of his books:
> A Deepness in the Sky, and the same-universe book (published earlier) A
> Fire Upon the Deep.
> The Peace War and Marooned in Realtime, almost sequels, though fairly
> disparate, to be found in a single volume: Across Realtime.
>
> Look 'm up, and you'll see good reviews for all of these
My favorite author.
Right now I'm reading John Ringo's "There Will Be Dragons", about the Fall
of the Net and the resulting collapse of civilization. Tribes fans should
read Ringo's "A Hymn Before Battle" and its sequels, which involves war in
powered suits.
http://www.johnringo.com/books.htm
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| On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:58:57 -0600, ScratchMonkey wrote:
quote:
> Well-run servers ban attacks on the uncapturable flag points, but if you
> spawn in a capturable, it's open season. Then there's servers that
> generally are well-run but have one or two admins who are, uhm, less then
> adequate and kick/ban-happy. Mr K should know what I'm talking about. ;)
Hmm... lemme think...
.... the "generally are well-run" bit's giving me trouble.
--
"There's violence to be done."
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| Randy Graham 2005-03-28, 7:20 pm |
| On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:03:31 -0600, I heard the following crap spew
forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
quote:
>In the wake of a thoroughly disappointing sequal to the Tribes
>franchise, and in light of some really impressive games out there,
>what has been taking up most of your time?
>
>I'm currently involved in unlocking all the various goodies in Burnout
>3: Takedown on the PS2. On the PC I'm diddling with Halo.
Ahhhh, I want that for my XBox. But I don't have enough time to play
it to justify $40 for it. When it hits $20, I'll pick it up. I'm so
in love with Burnout 2, and I've heard 3 is an improvement.
quote:
>I want to take up playing Far Cry, but my current card is just two
>shades too weak to push the graphics in it.
Played Far Cry for a while last year. Loved it, but just didn't have
time to play it.
quote:
>I saw Battlefield 1942 on a bargain shelf and considered getting it,
>but wanted to get some real-life reviews first. Anyone here still
>active in BF1942?
Never tried it. No time to get into it. Hmmm, seems a theme is
developing for me.
Anyway, I'm playing City of Heroes still. I haven't played more than
4 hours on any other game in the past 6 months, because all my
available time is put in to CoH.
RagManX
http://www.gamepatches.info/ - Are you up to date?
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| Smeghead 2005-03-28, 10:43 pm |
| On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:20:41 GMT, Randy Graham <ragmanx@spamex.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:03:31 -0600, I heard the following crap spew
>forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
>
>
>Ahhhh, I want that for my XBox. But I don't have enough time to play
>it to justify $40 for it. When it hits $20, I'll pick it up. I'm so
>in love with Burnout 2, and I've heard 3 is an improvement.
Burnout 3: Takedown is great. Love it. And I recommend it.
quote:
>
>Played Far Cry for a while last year. Loved it, but just didn't have
>time to play it.
Yeah, I know the feeling. All this "responsibility" stuff is
overrated.
quote:
>
>Never tried it. No time to get into it. Hmmm, seems a theme is
>developing for me.
>
>Anyway, I'm playing City of Heroes still. I haven't played more than
>4 hours on any other game in the past 6 months, because all my
>available time is put in to CoH.
I've read mixed things about City of Heros. And I tend to like
real-people's reviews anyway.
So, what would you say are the 3 best things and the 3 weakest things
about City of Heros?
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--==< S m e g h e a d >==--
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| Randy Graham 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:26:04 -0600, I heard the following crap spew
forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
quote:
>
>I've read mixed things about City of Heros. And I tend to like
>real-people's reviews anyway.
>
>So, what would you say are the 3 best things and the 3 weakest things
>about City of Heros?
I have no idea how it compares to other MMORPGs, as I have not played
any others. I can't even say what really grabs me about CoH beyond
the whole "I'm a super-hero" thing, but I'm more addicted to CoH than
I was to Tribes, Baldur's Gate, or Descent (my previous big gaming
addictions). I like that I can solo most anything I want to play
through, but that I do better with a team (at least, with a team of
competent players, hard though they may be to find).
I like how the various classes mesh together. My preferred class is
controller. I can limit the enemies capacity to do anything, but I'm
sadly weak in the damage side, so I need another character to speed up
defeating enemies. When I play my blaster, I can deal damage like
made, but am fragile like a glass egg. To compensate, I need a tank
to absorb damage, or controller to lock down enemies. All the classes
have this to some degree.
The whole social thing is great, too, even though I hate people in
real life. I enjoy meeting new people online and talking to them as
we play.
The bad sides of the game really escape me. There is nothing I truly
dislike or find lacking except for the imbalance on the edge cases for
some classes. What I mean is the controller's lack of damage and the
blasters lack of defense. When I play solo with my controller, I earn
XP about 5-10% of what I can earn as any other class at the same
level. The reason for this is the only way to earn XP is to defeat
enemies, and controllers do so little damage, that in some cases, the
enemies regenerate faster than the controller can damage. When I team
up, I can easily earn 15 times as much XP as when I solo. Any other
class I play earns no better than 3 times as much XP. The devs say
the reduced XP rate is the tradeoff for the safety controllers have.
But I can tell you that a tanker for the most part is safer (because
of high defense, resistance, and hit points), but easily outdamages
the controller.
When I play my blaster, my defense and damage resistance is nearly
null, and I have the lowest HP of any class. Once you past the mid
levels, any enemy you don't kill in the initial blast has a good
chance to kill you on the return volley. Given that there is always a
5% chance to miss, the blaster spends a lot of time eating pavement
when soloing.
So, to me, the edge cases are
1) controllers supposedly are safest since they lock enemies down, and
so do the least damage to balance that. In reality, a tanker past the
early mid-range levels tends to be much safer, and does waaaaay more
damage.
2) blasters supposedly rule the damage realm and pay for it in reduced
defense, resistance, and hit points. In reality, the scrapper does
almost as much damage, and has defense which approaches the tanks.
In my eyes, the developers need to either increase controller damage
or increase safety even more (like reduce the guaranteed 5% chance to
miss to something like 2% for controllers) and either increase
blasters defense/resistance/hit points or increase their damage.
Damn, that's a shit-ton of writing there for what I intended to be a
quick response.
RagManX
http://www.gamepatches.info/ - Are you up to date?
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| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:20:57 GMT, Randy Graham <ragmanx@spamex.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:26:04 -0600, I heard the following crap spew
>forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
>
>
>
>I have no idea how it compares to other MMORPGs, as I have not played
>any others. I can't even say what really grabs me about CoH beyond
>the whole "I'm a super-hero" thing, but I'm more addicted to CoH than
>I was to Tribes, Baldur's Gate, or Descent (my previous big gaming
>addictions). I like that I can solo most anything I want to play
>through, but that I do better with a team (at least, with a team of
>competent players, hard though they may be to find).
>
>I like how the various classes mesh together. My preferred class is
>controller. I can limit the enemies capacity to do anything, but I'm
>sadly weak in the damage side, so I need another character to speed up
>defeating enemies. When I play my blaster, I can deal damage like
>made, but am fragile like a glass egg. To compensate, I need a tank
>to absorb damage, or controller to lock down enemies. All the classes
>have this to some degree.
>
>The whole social thing is great, too, even though I hate people in
>real life. I enjoy meeting new people online and talking to them as
>we play.
>
>The bad sides of the game really escape me. There is nothing I truly
>dislike or find lacking except for the imbalance on the edge cases for
>some classes. What I mean is the controller's lack of damage and the
>blasters lack of defense. When I play solo with my controller, I earn
>XP about 5-10% of what I can earn as any other class at the same
>level. The reason for this is the only way to earn XP is to defeat
>enemies, and controllers do so little damage, that in some cases, the
>enemies regenerate faster than the controller can damage. When I team
>up, I can easily earn 15 times as much XP as when I solo. Any other
>class I play earns no better than 3 times as much XP. The devs say
>the reduced XP rate is the tradeoff for the safety controllers have.
>But I can tell you that a tanker for the most part is safer (because
>of high defense, resistance, and hit points), but easily outdamages
>the controller.
>
>When I play my blaster, my defense and damage resistance is nearly
>null, and I have the lowest HP of any class. Once you past the mid
>levels, any enemy you don't kill in the initial blast has a good
>chance to kill you on the return volley. Given that there is always a
>5% chance to miss, the blaster spends a lot of time eating pavement
>when soloing.
>
>So, to me, the edge cases are
>
>1) controllers supposedly are safest since they lock enemies down, and
>so do the least damage to balance that. In reality, a tanker past the
>early mid-range levels tends to be much safer, and does waaaaay more
>damage.
>
>2) blasters supposedly rule the damage realm and pay for it in reduced
>defense, resistance, and hit points. In reality, the scrapper does
>almost as much damage, and has defense which approaches the tanks.
>
>In my eyes, the developers need to either increase controller damage
>or increase safety even more (like reduce the guaranteed 5% chance to
>miss to something like 2% for controllers) and either increase
>blasters defense/resistance/hit points or increase their damage.
>
>Damn, that's a shit-ton of writing there for what I intended to be a
>quick response.
>
>RagManX
>http://www.gamepatches.info/ - Are you up to date?
To help me get a better idea of the classes, gimme a Marvel Universe
example. I assume a "Tanker" would be someone like Juggernaut or Ben
Grimm?
Who would fit into the "Controller" realm? Prof. Xavier?
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| Randy Graham 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:39:00 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
<<[snip]
quote:
>
>To help me get a better idea of the classes, gimme a Marvel Universe
>example. I assume a "Tanker" would be someone like Juggernaut or Ben
>Grimm?
>
>Who would fit into the "Controller" realm? Prof. Xavier?
Here's the whole layout:
Tanker - takes massive amounts of damage - can dish out moderate
damage. So, not quiet like comics. Ben gives it hard and takes it
without much effect, but that would be too "tank-mage" for an MMO, so
they've dropped damage down.
Blaster - EX: Human Torch - fragile as Stephen Hawking, but capable of
unleashing ungodly hits.
Controller - lockdown specialist - Prof. X is considered a mind
controller in CoH, but in CoH, he'd be weak. We all know in the comic
universe he is one of the toughest bad-XXX dudes out there. - Sleep,
disorient, immobilize, hold, confuse (think AD&D charm) are the main
powers, although all classes have some special extras beyond those.
Scrapper - Really good damage, really good defense - Think of a comic
book tank, and tone him/her down. Batman, for instance
Defender - EX: Sue Richards - specializes in improving teammates
defense and resistance (defense alters likelihood of being hit,
resistance alters how much damage you take) or reducing enemy accuracy
or strength - also typically has healing and resurrection powers, but
this is not assured
If you consider scrappers to be 100% damage and 100% defense, the
rough level comparison is as follows:
Class Damage Defense
--------------------------------------------------------
-Blaster 112% 20%
-Defender 75% 30-75% (depends on sub-class)
-Controller 15% 20% (but lockdown gives absolute
defense)
-Tank 80% 120%
-Scrapper 100% 100%
Now the defense numbers can really be all over the place, due to
defense and resistance powers that are available. And in some cases,
a defender or controller with the right buffs and debuffs can get
practically any enemy to the 5% to hit minimum, which means defense
doesn't matter beyond whether or not the character can take a single
hit or not. In the upper levels, many enemies can kill a defender,
controller, or blaster in a single shot, and some can kill scrappers
and even tanks in one shot, if the proper defender or controller is
not around (almost all defender primary powers are available as
secondary powers for the controllers).
RagManX
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| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:22:36 GMT, Randy Graham <ragmanx@spamex.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:39:00 -0500, I heard the following crap spew
>forth from "Smeghead" <tribesfan@hotmail.com>:
>
><<[snip]
I see your snip and raise you another [Snip]
quote:
>
>Here's the whole layout:
>
>Tanker - takes massive amounts of damage - can dish out moderate
>damage. So, not quiet like comics. Ben gives it hard and takes it
>without much effect, but that would be too "tank-mage" for an MMO, so
>they've dropped damage down.
Cool, makes sense.
quote:
>Blaster - EX: Human Torch - fragile as Stephen Hawking, but capable of
>unleashing ungodly hits.
Via his railgun! As you know, Stephen Hawking IS a Quake Master.
quote:
>Controller - lockdown specialist - Prof. X is considered a mind
>controller in CoH, but in CoH, he'd be weak. We all know in the comic
>universe he is one of the toughest bad-XXX dudes out there. - Sleep,
>disorient, immobilize, hold, confuse (think AD&D charm) are the main
>powers, although all classes have some special extras beyond those.
>
>Scrapper - Really good damage, really good defense - Think of a comic
>book tank, and tone him/her down. Batman, for instance
>
>Defender - EX: Sue Richards - specializes in improving teammates
>defense and resistance (defense alters likelihood of being hit,
>resistance alters how much damage you take) or reducing enemy accuracy
>or strength - also typically has healing and resurrection powers, but
>this is not assured
>
>If you consider scrappers to be 100% damage and 100% defense, the
>rough level comparison is as follows:
>
>Class Damage Defense
>--------------------------------------------------------
>-Blaster 112% 20%
>-Defender 75% 30-75% (depends on sub-class)
>-Controller 15% 20% (but lockdown gives absolute
>defense)
>-Tank 80% 120%
>-Scrapper 100% 100%
>
>Now the defense numbers can really be all over the place, due to
>defense and resistance powers that are available. And in some cases,
>a defender or controller with the right buffs and debuffs can get
>practically any enemy to the 5% to hit minimum, which means defense
>doesn't matter beyond whether or not the character can take a single
>hit or not. In the upper levels, many enemies can kill a defender,
>controller, or blaster in a single shot, and some can kill scrappers
>and even tanks in one shot, if the proper defender or controller is
>not around (almost all defender primary powers are available as
>secondary powers for the controllers).
I have been so afraid to get into a MMORPG for fear that it will
consume me. My brother in law has been playing Ultima Online for
untold years and has given it up and gone back to it many times. Like
an addict.
Another friend of mine has come right out and said "I wish Sony would
just yank the plug on the servers so I could quit." in reference to
Everquest.
My nephew gets excited about mundane things in Star Wars Galaxies. "I
got my Wookie a bowcaster!"
Another, more "real world" game that I've been reluctant to try is
golf. I do not want to be mesmerized by a white ball to the point
where I'll gleefully plop down $600 for a driver.
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|
| Smeghead wrote, snipped a helluva lot:
quote:
> Another, more "real world" game that I've been reluctant to try is
> golf. I do not want to be mesmerized by a white ball to the point
> where I'll gleefully plop down $600 for a driver.
Nah, I've battled the tiny white beastlet and I soon realized
that it's all about skill, not equipment. You would too.
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| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> In the wake of a thoroughly disappointing sequal to the Tribes
> franchise, and in light of some really impressive games out there,
> what has been taking up most of your time?
World of Warcraft, by far. Well, that and work, but that's not really a
game, even if I *am* finally coding in C++.
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| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On 6 Apr 2005 04:38:35 GMT, ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net>
wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote, snipped a helluva lot:
>
>
> Nah, I've battled the tiny white beastlet and I soon realized
>that it's all about skill, not equipment. You would too.
That's not what the commercials say about the Ultra Mega carbon-resin
cored titanium shafted uber gripped club on the golf channel! They say
you'll win like Woods!
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| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 05:05:46 GMT, Troy <gimmespam@yahoo.com> wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote:
>
>World of Warcraft, by far. Well, that and work, but that's not really a
>game, even if I *am* finally coding in C++.
I'd love to take up coding.
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|
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> I'd love to take up coding.
Unfortunately, I'm not coding games, just utilities to help automate
testing of printer drivers. I'm also still learning a lot as I plod
along, but making quick progress. I even managed to use a "Duff's
Device" in my code, just because I wanted to prove to myself that I
could.
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| |
|
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> On 6 Apr 2005 04:38:35 GMT, ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> That's not what the commercials say about the Ultra Mega carbon-resin
> cored titanium shafted uber gripped club on the golf channel! They say
> you'll win like Woods!
Baby love, if you believe that, I've got some prime lakefront
property I want to sell you, sight unseen.
The biggest challenge is learn what each wood or iron does, and
develop a good, same-every-time swing. Good Luck!! LOL
I can't hit for distance at all, having to baby my lower back, but
I can putt like a pro. Those miniature golf courses of my youth held
me good stead later in life. :D
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| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On 7 Apr 2005 06:40:01 GMT, ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net>
wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote:
>
>
> Baby love, if you believe that, I've got some prime lakefront
>property I want to sell you, sight unseen.
So you're saying that a big corporation would lie to make a sale? Get
outta here!
quote:
> The biggest challenge is learn what each wood or iron does, and
>develop a good, same-every-time swing. Good Luck!! LOL
> I can't hit for distance at all, having to baby my lower back, but
>I can putt like a pro. Those miniature golf courses of my youth held
>me good stead later in life. :D
I can't say what strengths or weaknesses I have as I have neither
driven nor putted. Basically for fear of becoming hooked. (As opposed
to sliced?)
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| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 7:57 pm |
| On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:21:35 GMT, Troy <gimmespam@yahoo.com> wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote:
>
>
>Unfortunately, I'm not coding games, just utilities to help automate
>testing of printer drivers. I'm also still learning a lot as I plod
>along, but making quick progress. I even managed to use a "Duff's
>Device" in my code, just because I wanted to prove to myself that I
>could.
Wow! A Duff's Device? You don't say! Hella right on, man! I knew you
could do it...
er... what's a Duff's device?
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| Hellmark 2005-04-07, 10:45 pm |
| Smeghead's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
were:
quote:
> Wow! A Duff's Device? You don't say! Hella right on, man! I knew you
> could do it...
> er... what's a Duff's device?
http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/Duffsdevice.html
| |
| Smeghead 2005-04-07, 10:45 pm |
| On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:05:22 GMT, Hellmark
<hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com> wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
>were:
>
>http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/Duffsdevice.html
Oh.
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|
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
>
>
> Oh.
That site's actually where I first saw it. I was looking for something
else. I saw it and went, "huh?" Since I learned to program using BASIC,
putting a do/while loop in the middle of a switch just seemed so wrong.
I then asked a senior engineer about it. He explained that it was
replacing a for/next loop. Each time the code runs through the loop,
there is a branch in the resulting machine code, which costs time. It's
usually used in an inner loop that is called over and over again. It
winds up dividing the loops by 8.
So, I looked at my code, saw an inner loop, and decided to replace it. I
even replaced an IF with boolean math to eliminate all branches.
Overall, it didn't really help performance, since the loop was only
being called a few times per second. I knew it wouldn't help, but I just
wanted to show that I could do it. I showed the same senior engineer my
code and he just kind of rolled his eyes.
--
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| Smeghead 2005-04-08, 5:12 am |
| On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:23:03 GMT, Troy <gimmespam@yahoo.com> wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote:
>
>
>That site's actually where I first saw it. I was looking for something
>else. I saw it and went, "huh?" Since I learned to program using BASIC,
>putting a do/while loop in the middle of a switch just seemed so wrong.
>
>I then asked a senior engineer about it. He explained that it was
>replacing a for/next loop. Each time the code runs through the loop,
>there is a branch in the resulting machine code, which costs time. It's
>usually used in an inner loop that is called over and over again. It
>winds up dividing the loops by 8.
>
>So, I looked at my code, saw an inner loop, and decided to replace it. I
>even replaced an IF with boolean math to eliminate all branches.
>
>Overall, it didn't really help performance, since the loop was only
>being called a few times per second. I knew it wouldn't help, but I just
>wanted to show that I could do it. I showed the same senior engineer my
>code and he just kind of rolled his eyes.
Hehehe, that's cool. I had looked up Duff's Device at answers.com and
it sounds really interesting. Something that shouldn't work but does
is always interesting.
I'm sure that if I were schooled in coding, it would be even more
interesting.
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|
| Smeghead wrote, in part:
quote:
> I can't say what strengths or weaknesses I have as I have neither
> driven nor putted. Basically for fear of becoming hooked. (As opposed
> to sliced?)
The neat thing about golf is the change of scenery, for me.
Plus, I get to drive the cart. :D
Seriously, I am a lousy golfer, but I walk a lot of the course,
which is mild, but good, exercise, and it's nice being outdoors
with friends for awhile. A lot of happy bullshit can take place
between friends during 18 holes, and a good time is had by all.
Say, sounds sorta like ags-t...........................
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| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:05:22 GMT, Hellmark
> <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh.
Um, yeah. Okay.
/me has headache
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| Smeghead 2005-04-08, 7:18 pm |
| On 8 Apr 2005 06:29:56 GMT, ">^,,^< Miracle" <NoChance@winning.com>
wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote, in part:
>
>
> The neat thing about golf is the change of scenery, for me.
>Plus, I get to drive the cart. :D
>
> Seriously, I am a lousy golfer, but I walk a lot of the course,
>which is mild, but good, exercise, and it's nice being outdoors
>with friends for awhile. A lot of happy bullshit can take place
>between friends during 18 holes, and a good time is had by all.
>
> Say, sounds sorta like ags-t...........................
alt.golf.starsiege.tribes?
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|
| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> alt.golf.starsiege.tribes?
Works for me- we could talk golf!! LOL
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| On 8 Apr 2005 18:01:05 GMT, >^,,^< Miracle wrote:
quote:
> Works for me- we could talk golf!! LOL
Oh great... golf. Whack a ball away... go retrieve ball... repeat until
common sense kicks in.
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| Quixote 2005-04-08, 7:18 pm |
|
"Mr K" <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> On 8 Apr 2005 18:01:05 GMT, >^,,^< Miracle wrote:
>
>
> Oh great... golf. Whack a ball away... go retrieve ball... repeat until
> common sense kicks in.
>
Tired of losing your balls? :^) Try discgolf. My sport of preference.
http://www.discgolf.com/content/view/49/59/
http://www.pdga.com/
http://www.discgolf.co.uk/ <-- for the bloke
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|
| On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:24:03 -0500, Quixote wrote:
quote:
> Tired of losing your balls? :^)
Er... no, can't say that I've ever lost my balls. I might even be able to
get job references.
/me blames teh stella.
quote:
> Try discgolf. My sport of preference.
>
> http://www.discgolf.com/content/view/49/59/
> http://www.pdga.com/
> http://www.discgolf.co.uk/ <-- for the bloke
Whack a disc... go retrieve... hey, wait a minute, there's rumoured to be
an online team-oriented game like this, isn't there? If not, there should
be, there's a market out there for teamkillers.
Iirc, Sierra got first prize for this one, but I could be mistaken.
quote:
> Quixote
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-04-09, 4:59 am |
| Hellmark <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com> wrote in
news:pan.2005.04.08.00.09.27.928716@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com:
quote:
> http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/Duffsdevice.html
It's a pretty hideous hack. Clever, but hideous. I wonder if the PIC C
compiler is smart enough not to need something like that? (I've got a
friend who's a PIC fan.)
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| Smeghead 2005-04-09, 4:59 am |
| On 8 Apr 2005 18:01:05 GMT, ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net>
wrote:
quote:
>Smeghead wrote:
>
>
> Works for me- we could talk golf!! LOL
Nah. Somehow I just don't think talking about balls, shafts, holes
and strokes is appropriate for a family newsgroup.
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| Smeghead 2005-04-09, 4:59 am |
| On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:29:39 +0100, Mr K <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
>On 8 Apr 2005 18:01:05 GMT, >^,,^< Miracle wrote:
>
>
>Oh great... golf. Whack a ball away... go retrieve ball... repeat until
>common sense kicks in.
I guess "common sense" equals:
* Sunburn
* Drunkenness or
* Becoming broke.
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| Smeghead 2005-04-09, 4:59 am |
| On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:24:03 -0500, "Quixote" <quixote@writeme.com>
wrote:
quote:
>
>"Mr K" <duffstuff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>Tired of losing your balls? :^) Try discgolf. My sport of preference.
>
>http://www.discgolf.com/content/view/49/59/
>http://www.pdga.com/
>http://www.discgolf.co.uk/ <-- for the bloke
Howabout someone code a combative "disc" golf game for Tribes? Be
careful of the splash radius of the spinfuser when teeing off!
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| On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:32:35 -0500, Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> I guess "common sense" equals:
>
> * Sunburn
> * Drunkenness or
> * Becoming broke.
Er... nope... those are just afflictions to help golf players realise what
a waste of time it is.
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| Randy Graham 2005-04-11, 7:36 pm |
| On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:05:22 GMT, I heard the following crap spew
forth from Hellmark <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com>:
quote:
>Smeghead's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his body
>were:
>
>http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/Duffsdevice.html
Oh hell, I thought it would have something to do with beer.
RagManX
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| Hellmark 2005-04-11, 7:36 pm |
| Randy Graham's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through his
body were:
quote:
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:05:22 GMT, I heard the following crap spew
> forth from Hellmark <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com>:
> Oh hell, I thought it would have something to do with beer.
If it was, we'd be partying over at Troy's place
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| Smeghead 2005-04-11, 7:36 pm |
| On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:11:15 GMT, Randy Graham <ragmanx@spamex.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:05:22 GMT, I heard the following crap spew
>forth from Hellmark <hellmark@gmail.XXXXSPAM.com>:
>
>
>Oh hell, I thought it would have something to do with beer.
Hehehe, yeah, one of those two-beer hat's with straws.
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|
| Randy Graham wrote:
quote:
> Oh hell, I thought it would have something to do with beer.
Why do you think it caught my eye?
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| Smeghead wrote:
quote:
> On 8 Apr 2005 18:01:05 GMT, ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Nah. Somehow I just don't think talking about balls, shafts, holes
> and strokes is appropriate for a family newsgroup.
Speaking of "family newsgroup", I typed "XXXXing" in another
group last week like this: "f*cking", and got asked why I put the
asterisk there, because it didn't really disguise the word.
I said for two reasons:
1 I try to remember to do that out of respect for those folks who
don't wish to be confronted with the 'real' word, and
2 That my Tribes group probably has kids reading it, and one of
the respected elders is a preacher.
I should go see what the questioner thought of that reply........
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| DEbig3 2005-04-12, 7:02 pm |
| One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of ">^,,^<
Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> coming from a tree, and thought, "Man, this
is f*ed up," but carried on the following conversation anyway:
quote:
> Smeghead wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of "family newsgroup", I typed "XXXXing" in another
> group last week like this: "f*cking", and got asked why I put the
> asterisk there, because it didn't really disguise the word.
> I said for two reasons:
>
> 1 I try to remember to do that out of respect for those folks who
> don't wish to be confronted with the 'real' word, and
>
> 2 That my Tribes group probably has kids reading it, and one of
> the respected elders is a preacher.
>
> I should go see what the questioner thought of that reply........
>
i dont really get why people worry about swearing in front of kids - at
least the ones that would be here (12+). its not like they dont already know
and use the words.. besides which, theyre just words, who really gives a
shit.
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-04-12, 11:17 pm |
| ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in news:425b6bbf$1_2
@galaxy.uncensored-news.com:
quote:
> Speaking of "family newsgroup", I typed "XXXXing" in another
> group last week like this: "f*cking", and got asked why I put the
> asterisk there, because it didn't really disguise the word.
I was in a fundie school as a teen and words like "gosh" were verboten
because they were just a way to cuss while hiding the fact. So I either use
the real word or none at all, instead of taking half-measures.
But...
Mary had an FTL.
She flew it fast and brisk.
Mary was a little fool:
her little *
(Important to know the names of punctuation!)
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-04-12, 11:17 pm |
| DEbig3 <debig3@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Xns963691C1E77F8omgwtf@216.196.97.136:
quote:
> i dont really get why people worry about swearing in front of kids -
> at least the ones that would be here (12+). its not like they dont
> already know and use the words.. besides which, theyre just words, who
> really gives a shit.
I learned my best swearing from my mom.
When I was a kid, we were just careful not to swear in earshot of adults.
And then, once we're adults, we have to be careful not to swear in earshot
of children. Makes no sense to me.
Penn and Teller had a great episode of Bullshit on the subject. Episodes
resume April 25:
http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/
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| Smeghead 2005-04-12, 11:17 pm |
| On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:10:15 -0500, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
quote:
>DEbig3 <debig3@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:Xns963691C1E77F8omgwtf@216.196.97.136:
>
>
>I learned my best swearing from my mom.
>
>When I was a kid, we were just careful not to swear in earshot of adults.
>And then, once we're adults, we have to be careful not to swear in earshot
>of children. Makes no sense to me.
>
>Penn and Teller had a great episode of Bullshit on the subject. Episodes
>resume April 25:
>
>http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/
I remember as a wee lad coming home with a shiney new word in my
noggin. I knew by the way the peer that was using it that it probably
wasn't something I would be allowed to say.
So I enlisted my brother, 4 years my junior, to just go up to mom and
say the Word. All the while I stealthily hid behind the kitchen
counter as he padded into the room, tugged on my mom's hip and
confidently, firmly and loudly proclaimed: "XXXX!"
The reaction was far stronger than I had expected. This must be a very
powerful word! Little did I know at the time of its omniusability and
potency to offend.
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| DEbig3 wrote:
quote:
> i dont really get why people worry about swearing in front of kids -
> at least the ones that would be here (12+). its not like they dont
> already know and use the words.. besides which, theyre just words,
> who really gives a shit.
I agree 100% with your last sentence- I just don't get why folks
get so worked up over four-letter words.
However, I *do* understand why some folks get riled up over
using their God's name in a curse- it's disrespectful, and in their
Bible it says not to use His name in vain. So I suppose that also
makes it a sin.
I belong to the church of Bob, so I say stuff like "Bobdamn"
instead. Seems to work nicely for the Judeo/Christians.
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| ScratchMonkey wrote:
quote:
> I was in a fundie school as a teen and words like "gosh" were verboten
> because they were just a way to cuss while hiding the fact. So I
> either use the real word or none at all, instead of taking
> half-measures.
Interesting! My mother was certifiable, and I once got a
hellish whipping for singing "confound it" in a song I had
learned that day in school. It was second or third grade,
and I'll never forget my shock at being punished for that
innoccuous phrase.
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| ScratchMonkey wrote:
quote:
> I learned my best swearing from my mom.
Amen! My mother taught me everything I know, except
for "the bird" or "the finger".
quote:
> When I was a kid, we were just careful not to swear in earshot of
> adults. And then, once we're adults, we have to be careful not to
> swear in earshot of children. Makes no sense to me.
Me neither. Go figure.
quote:
> Penn and Teller had a great episode of Bullshit on the subject.
> Episodes resume April 25:
>
> http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/
Cool, I'll go check it out!
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| Frank van Schie 2005-04-13, 8:07 am |
| >^,,^< Miracle wrote:
quote:
>
> Cool, I'll go check it out!
Penn and Teller are pretty cool in any case, and I've seen the pilot
episode of Bullshit!. It takes a skeptics view on many things they
consider to be bullshit.
--
Frank
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| Hellmark 2005-04-13, 8:36 pm |
| >^,,^< Miracle's last words before the Sword of Azrial plunged through
quote:
>his body were:
> DEbig3 wrote:
> I agree 100% with your last sentence- I just don't get why folks
> get so worked up over four-letter words.
> However, I *do* understand why some folks get riled up over
> using their God's name in a curse- it's disrespectful, and in their
> Bible it says not to use His name in vain. So I suppose that also
> makes it a sin.
> I belong to the church of Bob, so I say stuff like "Bobdamn"
> instead. Seems to work nicely for the Judeo/Christians.
My mom and her siblings went to catholic schools growing up, so they
always had the nuns to smack them when something went wrong. Well, first
day of school for my Uncle Jimmy, a nun asked him what his name was so he
told her "Jimmy Damnit". He had heard my grandma exclaim it so much, he
thought that it was his full name, and didnt know why the nun was smacking
him or why he got sent to the principal's office.
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| DEbig3 2005-04-13, 8:36 pm |
| One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of ">^,,^<
Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> coming from a tree, and thought, "Man, this
is f*ed up," but carried on the following conversation anyway:
quote:
> However, I *do* understand why some folks get riled up over
> using their God's name in a curse- it's disrespectful, and in their
> Bible it says not to use His name in vain. So I suppose that also
> makes it a sin.
>
i dont. it doesnt affect them, or at least shouldnt. again, just words, and
words someone else say arent going to condemn someone else to eternal
damnation OMGXXXX. theyre just whiny faggots.
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| DEbig3 wrote:
quote:
> One day, while skipping through the forest, I heard the voice of
> ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> coming from a tree, and
> thought, "Man, this is f*ed up," but carried on the following
> conversation anyway:
>
>
> i dont. it doesnt affect them, or at least shouldnt. again, just
> words, and words someone else say arent going to condemn someone else
> to eternal damnation OMGXXXX. theyre just whiny faggots.
Hmmmm, you have a point there, Biggie. If *I* say goddammit,
they're not sinning, right? Just me, if I believed it. Good point, my man!
I'll tell you another thing- California is so full of whiny faggots that
I refuse to go there again and spend another dime. They're all fired up
over a few cigarettes at the beach, yet they have the filthiest air on the
planet! Try to spend a weekend at the Shilo Hilltop in Pomona and
you'll see what I mean. Gah!
Old joke: Why do we call California "The Granola State"?
Because what ain't fruits or nuts is flakes!
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-04-14, 3:33 am |
| ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in news:425d551d$1_4
@galaxy.uncensored-news.com:
quote:
> California is so full of whiny faggots that
> I refuse to go there again and spend another dime
Thanks for that. Someday I'll escape the madhouse myself, and take my
income with me! Kind of a John Galt thing.
Alas, an awful lot of silicon gets made here, so it's hard to keep up with
the latest computer developments without spending money here.
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| ScratchMonkey wrote:
quote:
> ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in news:425d551d$1_4
> @galaxy.uncensored-news.com:
>
>
> Thanks for that. Someday I'll escape the madhouse myself, and take my
> income with me! Kind of a John Galt thing.
>
> Alas, an awful lot of silicon gets made here, so it's hard to keep up
> with the latest computer developments without spending money here.
Hmmm, I should have added "Present company excluded!"
{{{{{HUGZ}}}}}
But I do hope you get out of the rat race one day. We watched
the LA news again tonight and were horrified all over again. Good
heavens a lot happens over there in one day!
(Keep in mind that I'm referring to the Los Angeles area alone.)
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| ScratchMonkey 2005-04-15, 12:32 am |
| ">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in news:425e1ca2$1_4
@galaxy.uncensored-news.com:
quote:
> But I do hope you get out of the rat race one day. We watched
> the LA news again tonight and were horrified all over again. Good
> heavens a lot happens over there in one day!
> (Keep in mind that I'm referring to the Los Angeles area alone.)
Remember that that's the home of yellow journalism, so it's most likely not
as bad as it looks. ;)
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| Smeghead 2005-04-15, 12:32 am |
| On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:45:16 -0500, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blacklist@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
quote:
>">^,,^< Miracle" <miracle@spamcop.net> wrote in news:425e1ca2$1_4
>@galaxy.uncensored-news.com:
>
>
>Remember that that's the home of yellow journalism, so it's most likely not
>as bad as it looks. ;)
The Asians do all the journalism in California?! Who knew?!
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| Randy Graham 2005-04-16, 8:34 pm |
| On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:12:12 +0200, I heard the following crap spew
forth from Frank van Schie <frankNOSPAM@email.it>:
quote:
>
>Penn and Teller are pretty cool in any case, and I've seen the pilot
>episode of Bullshit!. It takes a skeptics view on many things they
>consider to be bullshit.
I've only seen one episode of BS. They talked about bottled water.
Did an experiment in a restaurant in which they filled about a dozen
bottles all with the same water from a garden hose. Then, they
described each bottle as something different. Some bottles they
charged $8-$10 for. People "preferred" the more expensive bottles.
Hmmmm.
The other subject for that show was the "science" of fung shei or
however the hell you spell it. Funny shit, that one was.
RagManX
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| Smeghead 2005-04-17, 12:32 am |
| On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:02:44 GMT, Randy Graham <ragmanx@spamex.com>
wrote:
quote:
>On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:12:12 +0200, I heard the following crap spew
>forth from Frank van Schie <frankNOSPAM@email.it>:
>
>
>I've only seen one episode of BS. They talked about bottled water.
>Did an experiment in a restaurant in which they filled about a dozen
>bottles all with the same water from a garden hose. Then, they
>described each bottle as something different. Some bottles they
>charged $8-$10 for. People "preferred" the more expensive bottles.
>Hmmmm.
>
>The other subject for that show was the "science" of fung shei or
>however the hell you spell it. Funny shit, that one was.
Never did catch BS, always wanted to, though.
Penn and Teller were always two of my favorite
entertainers/con-men/magicians.
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