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| eqtotalsecrets@yahoo.com 2005-10-08, 7:37 pm |
| Make 200,000-500,000 Credits Per Hour
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Earn 2,000-6,000 Faction Points per Hour
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| Dirk Pfeiffer 2005-10-09, 7:36 pm |
| Reply to message from eqtotalsecrets@yahoo.com (Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:57:09)
about "Star Wars Galaxies : 100+ Exploits Guide":
Go away!
...idiot
e> Make 200,000-500,000 Credits Per Hour Earn 100,000-180,000 Weapons EXP
e> Per Hour Earn 2,000-6,000 Faction Points per Hour
e> http://www.eqtotalsecrets/swg/
Bye
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| Rastus 2005-10-10, 2:35 am |
| You only need one exploit for any SoE game - it is called the cancel
subscription button. I cannot believe how utterly and completely they have
destroyed the game by "total nerfdom" since last time I played over a year
ago.
Maybe the dev teams gets off to masturbating with a cheese grater but it
isn't my cup of tea.
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| David Casey 2005-10-10, 2:35 am |
| On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:50 +1000, Rastus wrote:
quote:
> You only need one exploit for any SoE game - it is called the cancel
> subscription button. I cannot believe how utterly and completely they
> have destroyed the game by "total nerfdom" since last time I played over
> a year ago.
A year ago? You're judging a game you haven't played in a year? LOL!
quote:
> Maybe the dev teams gets off to masturbating with a cheese grater but it
> isn't my cup of tea.
Is your cup of tea trolling the newsgroup now? You've made your point that
you're dissatisfied with the game. Fine, now make sure to confirm your
game account cancellation and go find something else to play.
Do you really think saying you quit and are leaving is making anyone here
upset or mad? Not at all! It's somewhat amusing, though. I guess that's
what Usenet really is for when you think about it. Entertainment. Thanks!
/tip Rastus 10000
Dave
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| Rastus 2005-10-10, 5:35 am |
| > A year ago? You're judging a game you haven't played in a year? LOL!
Would I be hear if I hadn't come back to see how it was. Your not the
sharpest crayon in the pack are you?
quote:
>
> Is your cup of tea trolling the newsgroup now? You've made your point
that
quote:
> you're dissatisfied with the game. Fine, now make sure to confirm your
> game account cancellation and go find something else to play.
Don't mistake me for a slack jawed mouth breather like yourself, I don't
need prompting in this regard.
quote:
> Do you really think saying you quit and are leaving is making anyone here
> upset or mad? Not at all! It's somewhat amusing, though. I guess that's
> what Usenet really is for when you think about it. Entertainment.
Thanks!
quote:
>
> /tip Rastus 10000
You can keep the tip, after all, you'll need it more than me. I still have
ongoing subscriptions in other games that haven't been XXXXed over by their
dev team.
Enjoy your game, I am sure it suits you in it's present (retarded) form.
^_^
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| David Casey 2005-10-10, 7:37 pm |
| On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:42:11 +1000, Rastus wrote:
quote:
>
> Would I be hear if I hadn't come back to see how it was. Your not the
> sharpest crayon in the pack are you?
While I'm not flaming your spelling, it is quite amusing in one sentence
you spell "here" incorrectly and in the next accuse someone else of not
being the sharpest crayon in the box. ;-)
quote:
>
> Don't mistake me for a slack jawed mouth breather like yourself, I don't
> need prompting in this regard.
LOL!
quote:
>
> You can keep the tip, after all, you'll need it more than me. I still
> have ongoing subscriptions in other games that haven't been XXXXed over
> by their dev team.
>
> Enjoy your game, I am sure it suits you in it's present (retarded) form.
It does! Too bad you didn't enjoy it. No great loss, though. You not
being there just means one more spot for someone else to play. :-)
Dave
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| Rastus 2005-10-11, 7:37 pm |
| > It does! Too bad you didn't enjoy it. No great loss, though. You not
quote:
> being there just means one more spot for someone else to play. :-)
I am sure the fans of DAoC, UO, Horizons, Shadowbane and Earth and Beyond
still feel the same way.
Heck, I am sure there is still some parrot back in the UO newsgroup telling
people "don't let the screen door hit yo XXX on the way out". The joke is
really on the people who say this though, and later turn around to find that
those same people leaving took the community with them.
Funnily enough, SWG will be hit harder by player inactivity than any of the
above titles due to the complete player economy and 1 char per server. Once
player activity drops below a certain threshold, the economy will collapse
and this will drive more people out in a domino effect. Acquiring any decent
goods or services will itself be a mini eqic quest.
You don't need to hunt in groups to be social. Every single player in SWG
was already social - they used each others goods and services, they formed
towns, they voted for politicians, built houses and set up shop. Even
complete arseholes still kept the wheels of commerce turning.
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| -Rhune- 2005-10-11, 11:36 pm |
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quote:
> I am sure the fans of DAoC, UO, Horizons, Shadowbane and Earth and Beyond
> still feel the same way.
>
> Heck, I am sure there is still some parrot back in the UO newsgroup
> telling
> people "don't let the screen door hit yo XXX on the way out". The joke is
> really on the people who say this though, and later turn around to find
> that
> those same people leaving took the community with them.
>
Ok, I am a long time player of SWG and yes there have been lots of changes.
It does get frustrating to put in a lot of work and then see that it has
gone for nothing when they nerf away a benefit you worked hard for. It is
fun for me to play so in the end it really was not a waste of time but I do
feel like they change it many times just for the sake of changing it. It
does not seem to get much better and often seems like the game gets worse.
I am grinding FS now so there are plenty of times I am in a spin group and
bored with what I am doing to the point. I recently saw that Anarchy Online
wais offering their basic game for free and no credit card was required to
open a basic account and play. I went ahead and did it and I am having a
blast playing and will most likely go ahead and become a paying customer
over there so I can play the expansions so I guess their strategy worked at
least on me. I think it was the break in the monotony that I was really
looking for.
One thing I found is that just because your not a giant like SOE does not
mean you can't put out a very fun game. Both these games are in the sci-fi
MMORPG genre but the little company has a lot of things nailed that the
giant seems unconcerned about. I wish I could transplant the AO customer
service to SOE games.
I said that to say this, If you get frustrated with a game then why not take
a break and do something else in the genre at least part time. I remember
coming over to SWG because I got tired of grinding all the time in EQ2 and
finally went back and enjoyed the game a lot more after a little break.
When I went back to EQ2 they had nerfed some stuff as well so I did have a
few surprises but it was still refreshing to get a break.
I would hope the developers would start listening to the players (customers)
on a more regular basis and cater to their bread and butter for a change.
Recently when they came out with the terrible update that nerfed group play
they did pull back and revert but my question is how did it get so far (to
the point of being released) before they realized it was a big mistake?
Didn't anyone on the test server push back?
Even in a game like AO I have found it very easy to contact a GM in game. I
had a question today on something and just had to send a tell to get my
answer and even got a follow up email to male sure all was well. With SOE I
find they have the appearance of really not caring what the customer thinks.
I admit EQ2 was the worst for customer service and SWG is only a shade
better. It is funny when a much smaller game (that is free no less) can
really nail it where it counts and SOE (who has a much larger pool of
resources and a more established system) falls short. I think SOE needs to
wake up and realize who is really important and they need to take action to
please the customer because that is who is paying the bill.
Didn't mean for this to get so long but I think I am as frustrated as many
others are here even though I love playing the game.
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| Reg LeCrisp 2005-10-12, 5:36 am |
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"-Rhune-" <bozowatchcommander@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Even in a game like AO I have found it very easy to contact a GM in game.
I hate SOE as well but come on dude. comparing ao to swg gm support.
how many servers anarchy down to now? 2? I know the subscription base is
not even close to the 100k barrier.
Less players, Less Servers, it becomes easier to respond in a timely manner.
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| "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x> wrote in message
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> "-Rhune-" <bozowatchcommander@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1C_2f.533$QM5.188@tornado.socal.rr.com...
game.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I hate SOE as well but come on dude. comparing ao to swg gm support.
>
> how many servers anarchy down to now? 2? I know the subscription base is
> not even close to the 100k barrier.
>
> Less players, Less Servers, it becomes easier to respond in a timely
manner.
quote:
>
>
Sony is worth billions. They could afford to hire another 1000 GMs on the
spot.
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| Reg LeCrisp 2005-10-12, 7:37 pm |
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"Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Sony is worth billions. They could afford to hire another 1000 GMs on the
> spot.
lol, you ever read the whining official swg boards? I bet over half the
petitions are.. WTF dood!, where are my premium pearls, this suxxored !, I
want a csr here now beetch !@
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| "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x> wrote in message
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quote:
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> "Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6193f.1396$%42.616@okepread06...
the[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> lol, you ever read the whining official swg boards? I bet over half the
> petitions are.. WTF dood!, where are my premium pearls, this suxxored !, I
> want a csr here now beetch !@
>
Next time try English. I don't speak Eenglich
Of the hundred or so players with whom I had frequent frequent contact, none
of them spoke like this. Besides, from what I hear about dev discretion, if
someone wants to query a dev and what they ask is like this last guy's post,
they simply disconnect your account for 30 days. Seems like a workable
solution to keep the good paying customers who will still be paying 14.95 in
5 years, 10 years, maybe 20 years. After all, many of the players are
adults.
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| Rastus 2005-10-12, 7:37 pm |
| > Besides, from what I hear about dev discretion, if
quote:
> someone wants to query a dev and what they ask is like this last guy's
post,
quote:
> they simply disconnect your account for 30 days.
*looks around Mos Eisly and Naboo on any server other than bria*
They are suspending people? Ahh - that has balls given the state of the
game.
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| "Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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quote:
> post,
>
> *looks around Mos Eisly and Naboo on any server other than bria*
>
> They are suspending people? Ahh - that has balls given the state of the
> game.
>
>
Can't disagree with you there.
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| Sardious 2005-10-12, 11:33 pm |
| great now you will quote that rumor as fact....heart it from a guy who heard
it from a guy who hadn't played since launch who heard it from a trekkie
that hated star wars....so I'm pissed that they ban like that...haha glad
you are gone.
"Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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quote:
> post,
>
> *looks around Mos Eisly and Naboo on any server other than bria*
>
> They are suspending people? Ahh - that has balls given the state of the
> game.
>
>
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| -Rhune- 2005-10-12, 11:33 pm |
| "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> "-Rhune-" <bozowatchcommander@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1C_2f.533$QM5.188@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> I hate SOE as well but come on dude. comparing ao to swg gm support.
>
> how many servers anarchy down to now? 2? I know the subscription base is
> not even close to the 100k barrier.
>
> Less players, Less Servers, it becomes easier to respond in a timely
> manner.
>
I disagree, it does not make it easier to respond simply because you are
smaller. There are around 500K registered users and while it is a lot
smaller than the SOE games (even one of them) they are clearly more engaged
in their business. They are not operating on the same level as SOE and have
nowhere near the budget especially considering the basic game is free and
does not generate any revenue for them from the free players. They had to
think outside the box and somehow motivate players to become in-game guides
and GMs to support their product. They have a few paid GMs but a lot of the
greeters and such are volunteers that can earn rank by assisting others
(rank as a guide not in the game) and so they have this whole other group
that wants to gain prestige for doing this. Players are lining up to do this
from what I have seen and there is a level of respect for the people that
step up to the plat to do this. It really feels like a community instead of
just a game.
I think this is a very unique approach and it works. Another thing they do
is allow players to develop third party software that you can use in the
game then they sanction it. I replaced the maps in the game with better 3rd
party maps, installed a device that helps me with tradeskill recopies, i
even tune into a live radio station through the game that you can make
requests on in game. All the DJs are people who volunteer and it is done
through live 365. The innovation never ends and this is why they are still
here surviving among the SOE major games. They are always willing to look
at new ideas and I like this attitude. This is how you work with people and
show them you give a rats arse about your product. My point was that these
are all things that SOE has the power to do but instead they work on how to
"balance" (read nerfing it to high heaven) the game which ends up turning
off their customers. They could learn a lot from the little guy.
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| -Rhune- 2005-10-12, 11:33 pm |
| >
quote:
> how many servers anarchy down to now? 2? I know the subscription base is
> not even close to the 100k barrier.
Since the basic game has gone free until 2007 they have added over 400K to
their base. In fact all my friends from SWG have at least checked it out as
I have and a lot of my EQ2 and EQ friends have also downloaded it and given
it a look. I don't feel they are in the same league as SOE but they are
close enough (Considering it is free) for me to spend a few hours playing
and getting away from my other games. After you get in there for a bit you
want to see more and before you know it you are having fun and don't want to
leave.
This brings me to a good point. When you first start a new MMORPG the first
few levels are really a lot of fun. I have found this in many of the games
over the years. You have to struggle to get even the basic items and to
learn the game and everything you find you sell or use to get established.
Just a thought, but I have always enjoyed starting out.
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| Reg LeCrisp 2005-10-13, 5:33 am |
|
"Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Besides, from what I hear about dev discretion, if
> someone wants to query a dev and what they ask is like this last guy's
> post,
> they simply disconnect your account for 30 days.
*LMAO*, Where do you come up with this stuff? Keep it coming please,
laughter is good medicine.
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| Rastus 2005-10-13, 7:34 pm |
| > great now you will quote that rumor as fact....heart it from a guy who
heard
quote:
> it from a guy who hadn't played since launch who heard it from a trekkie
> that hated star wars....so I'm pissed that they ban like that...haha glad
> you are gone.
How is being able to fire a cannon in front of Theed Spaceport without
hitting anyone a rumour? Log in and see for yourself.
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| "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> "Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jKc3f.1404$%42.118@okepread06...
>
> *LMAO*, Where do you come up with this stuff? Keep it coming please,
> laughter is good medicine.
>
>
Read the the documentation for the game. The devs have total discretion as
to your account.
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| Reg LeCrisp 2005-10-13, 7:34 pm |
|
"Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x> wrote in message
> news:EMydnYztO4aTl9PeRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>
> Read the the documentation for the game. The devs have total discretion as
> to your account.
But you are missing the point. Does it specifically state they ASK WHAT THE
LAST GUY'S POST IS, WHEN DECIDING TO DISCONNECT? lmao
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| Reg LeCrisp 2005-10-13, 7:34 pm |
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"-Rhune-" <bozowatchcommander@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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to each their own.
i played AO from release. Also took advantage of the free trials and other
perks to get more players introduced to the game because the numbers are
real low.
i think the game still sucks.... to each their own
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| -Rhune- 2005-10-13, 7:34 pm |
|
quote:
>
> But you are missing the point. Does it specifically state they ASK WHAT
> THE LAST GUY'S POST IS, WHEN DECIDING TO DISCONNECT? lmao
>
Not to pick but he didn't say " ASK WHAT THE
quote:
> LAST GUY'S POST IS, WHEN DECIDING TO DISCONNECT?" it says "what they ask
> is like this last guy's
post," referring to the last Usenet post. He is saying if someone asks in
the manner this poster asked they might get disconnected for 30 days and he
is correct.
Just thought you might like to know.
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| "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x> wrote in message
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> "Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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guy's[vbcol=seagreen]
as[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> But you are missing the point. Does it specifically state they ASK WHAT
THE
quote:
> LAST GUY'S POST IS, WHEN DECIDING TO DISCONNECT? lmao
>
>
What the hell are you talking about? The last guy's post has nothing to do
with it. I said that if some kid asked a dev a question like WTF (which was
in the post from a guy I responded to on here), the dev could in turn
disconnect the kid's account. You misunderstood. It has nothing to do with
message boards or forums. Only a direct question posed to a dev.
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| "-Rhune-" <bozowatchcommander@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
guy's[vbcol=seagreen]
> Not to pick but he didn't say " ASK WHAT THE
ask[vbcol=seagreen]
> post," referring to the last Usenet post. He is saying if someone asks
in
quote:
> the manner this poster asked they might get disconnected for 30 days and
he
quote:
> is correct.
>
> Just thought you might like to know.
>
>
Sorry about my post saying the same thing as yours. I replied before reading
the above.
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| Sardious 2005-10-13, 7:34 pm |
| ?? i was talking about you believe that they hand out 30 bans cause some guy
said he heard it. Pay attention
"Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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quote:
> heard
>
> How is being able to fire a cannon in front of Theed Spaceport without
> hitting anyone a rumour? Log in and see for yourself.
>
>
>
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| Rastus 2005-10-13, 7:34 pm |
| > ?? i was talking about you believe that they hand out 30 bans cause some
guy
quote:
> said he heard it. Pay attention
Actually I chose to ignore that part of your post since it was nosensical,
but of course maybe you weren't paying attention. Si - which part of "They
are suspending people?" appears to be me "quoting a fact"? Are you
unfamiliar with the usage of a question mark, which of course may be
possible as you started your sentence with 2 of them? I wonder how long it
took you to figure out there is no such thing as a capitialised question
mark...
This sort of desperation to defend the game is a pretty good confirmation as
to the state of the game. Since I have been posting there are also muliple
people claiming I don't even play the game as well. It's like trying to talk
to schizophrenics who are stuck in their own little world... or Mac users.
They get defensive as soon as you look at them as well.
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| David Cherry 2005-10-14, 5:48 am |
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"Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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quote:
> heard
>
> How is being able to fire a cannon in front of Theed Spaceport without
> hitting anyone a rumour? Log in and see for yourself.
>
Since the lvl of missions from starter citys is a max of (i think) lvl 40,
for a lvl 80 char that means 1 xp per critter. From some were like Dant MO
or a player city with improved job market the max lvl is 82, so were does
every go Dant MO. Doctors who buff a) don't get xp and b) dont use buff
packs, so now there are free afk buff who ask for tips.
On Chimea the Dant server has very bad lag problem, but Corr-lag is now toon
free.
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| Psyberowl 2005-10-14, 7:38 pm |
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"David Cherry" <david.cherry@empyrion> wrote in message
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> "Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> Since the lvl of missions from starter citys is a max of (i think) lvl 40,
> for a lvl 80 char that means 1 xp per critter. From some were like Dant
> MO or a player city with improved job market the max lvl is 82, so were
> does every go Dant MO. Doctors who buff a) don't get xp and b) dont use
> buff packs, so now there are free afk buff who ask for tips.
>
> On Chimea the Dant server has very bad lag problem, but Corr-lag is now
> toon free.
Correct sort of.
While JTL removed the Necessity of a centralized hub (Coronet or Theed) for
travel, it still left those hubs in place because that's where the Doctors
were for buffing.
Once the CU Hit, everything changed, The buffs were greatly reduced in power
and duration, so many saw no use for Doc Buffs and the buff lines at that
time more or less vanished, along with a sizable part of the Doctor
Profession (at least visibly).
The CU also changed the way Mission Terminals work. For NPC Cities (Theed,
Bestine, Coronet) on the starter worlds (Corellia, Naboo, Tatooine, Talus,
Rori), Mission Terminals Cap out at Level 15. Mission Terms in the NPC
Outposts on the adventure worlds (Dant, Dath, Yavin, Endor) or Terminals in
Player Cities anywhere (caveat in a moment) cap out at level 80/82. Having
said that, there is a bug where some Player Cities are not able to offer
mission up to Level 80, many of these towns can only offer level 50
missions. They're aware of this and apparently trying to figure out why
it's that way to correct it. Since this is really a Politician problem
though....(The true most neglected class in the game since it costs 0 skill
points now) it's not likely to be fixed any time soon.... Though we
continue to hope.
That combination of No Buff Lines and Low level missions really only leaves
those central locations important for their bazaar listing capability.
They're still I think the central place that people go to shop (on the
bazaar). But, since the bazaar terms aren't right near the starport, it's
hard to see anyone there for that reason.
Lagtooine's Mining Outpost is now the Center of the Universe on Lowca it
appears. Doc's buff, Vendor-spambots Spam, Dancers AFK Buff. It's easily
as busy as Coronet and Theed combined used to be. And don't forget the
appeal of Player cities... a sizable number of my guildmates spend most of
their time in and around our City on Corellia.
Thanks
The Bar-erras Clan
Lowca Galaxy
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| Dirk Pfeiffer 2005-10-16, 2:33 am |
| Reply to message from "Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> (Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:38:
36) about "Re: Star Wars Galaxies : 100+ Exploits Guide":
T> Of the hundred or so players with whom I had frequent frequent contact,
T> none of them spoke like this. Besides, from what I hear about dev
T> discretion, if someone wants to query a dev and what they ask is like
T> this last guy's post, they simply disconnect your account for
T> 30 days. Seems like a workable solution to keep the good paying
T> customers who will still be paying 14.95 in
T> 5 years, 10 years, maybe 20 years. After all, many of the players are
T> adults.
Screw that! Most of the players WERE adults, true. But with the CU came a
flood of young players.
Bye
Dirk Pfeiffer <dirk@dbx501.de> Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:13:59 +0200
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| huh must not look on Gorath those places are usually full 
Jahal/Scossko Gorath Server
"Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Can't disagree with you there.
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