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> Hello, I am Edna Kolanco, I am a Star Wars fan and would like to know if

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> worth the time and money spent.
>
> Could you please give me your opinion and tell me a few things you like

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> you don't in this game?
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Edna
>
>

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>
> Hello, I am Edna Kolanco, I am a Star Wars fan and would like to know if
> SWG worth the time and money spent.
>
> Could you please give me your opinion and tell me a few things you like
> and you don't in this game?
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Edna
>
>
>
>

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> Game sucks now. XP nerf killed it. Tons of people quiting. Devs in hiding.
> Tiggs not responding Good luck
>

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> "Anthony" <aevansjr3@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:gk2Ne.73444$E95.45561@fed1read01...
> Did you really think something like this wouldn't happen after the train
> wreak they called "Combat Upgrade?"
>
> SWG used to be the best game out there.
>

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> It's not the CU that ruined it. The CU actually brought some semblance of
> balance between the professions. I'll flat out tell you what ruined SWG.
>
> The introduction of player character Jedi, and the subsequent buffing up

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> that profession until it overshadowed every other profession. Had that

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> happened, had Jedi been left only to NPC's, the game would have progressed
> even further than the stale game it is now. But God knows SoE had to milk
> their Jedi cash cow, even if it alienated every OTHER player in the game.

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> Reply to message from "Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> (Fri, 19 Aug 2005 01:39:
> 34) about "Re: Star Wars Galaxies... Does it worth?":
>
> The current amount is needed to make the broken and crappy FRS working. Of
> course it would've been easier to FIX THE FRS than to increase the number
> of jedi by a gazillion. But then....it would have been easier to fix some
> professions instead of giving us a Combat (CRAP) Upgrade too! Which is now
> at a state that's worse than the game ever was before the CU:
> -Force Cost on special attacks screwed
> -Healings stack
> -Templates with more than 300 skillpoints (though you have only 250!!!)
> -People can instant corpse you, but combat log doesn't show you were hit
> at
> all
> -and.....
> -and.....
> -and.....
>
> T> "Steven Vavra" <stevenksu@hotmail. com> wrote in message news:OA6Ne.
> T> 2786$r54.417@newssvr19.news. prodigy.com...
>
> T> of
> T> not
>
> T> I could not disagree more. SWG had it's own platform. After the CU, it
> T> was nothing but EQ with SW characters. Jedi made the game worth playing
> T> because there was something to achieve. I only quit because the CU
> T> makes it near impossible to become a Jedi. I'm not a
> T> 14 year old grinder. I joined SWG in the first place to become a light
> T> Jedi. Of all the games out there, it had the most comprehensive
> T> experience available. No other game came closer to the Jedi path. If I
> T> could have reached Jedi, I would have played another couple of weeks
> T> and quit. Instead, I waisted several months. I could not be more
> T> disgusted with what the devs have done.
>
> T> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> Bye
> Dirk Pfeiffer <dirk@dbx501.de> Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:18:22 +0200
>
> === Posted with Qusnetsoft NewsReader 2.2.0.8

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> It's a shame.
> A nice franchise are being wasted.
>
> I will wait until Empire At War is released.
>
> Thanks for your replies.
>
> Edna
>
>

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> at
> the screen shots. Read some information about the content thats available
> in
> the game, ask yourself how much you like Star Wars itself and then decided
> for yourself if you think the SWG universe is one you could really see
> yourself becoming envolved in and enjoying or not .. Or try it and then
> decide if you want to keep playing it or not
> Just a warning though, the path to Jedi, if its one you choose to take is
> a
> long, slow hard grind however, its not something you can just kick over in
> a
> short period of time. But a normal combat template, or crafting template
> or
> anything similar doesn't take all that long at all, only a few weeks to
> master then you can run around an enjoy the games content. (Crafting to
> knock over in a short time does however require the resources to craft
> your
> way through it).
>
> Ishka
>
>
>

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>
> Hello, I am Edna Kolanco, I am a Star Wars fan and would like to know if
> SWG worth the time and money spent.

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> * It has a social aspect that NO other MMO has, with player housing,
> player
> cities, guild halls, cantina's, entertainer and musician professions it

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> *It has a crafting system that is actually useful, crafters for the most
> part craft the best items in the game such as armor and weapons rather
> then
> it dropping from world spawns.

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> LOL, Entertainer and Musicans now? Most cantinas are barren these days.
> You speak like a true fanboy.

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>
>
> So as a new player with little or no credits this means you will be paying
> upwards of several million for the best items this fan boy protests. He
> must have forgot to add that wee bit of factual info.

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>
> "Kas" <nykara[NOSPAM]@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43062e2a$0$8999$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
> LOL, Entertainer and Musicans now? Most cantinas are barren these days.
> You speak like a true fanboy.
>
>
> So as a new player with little or no credits this means you will be paying
> upwards of several million for the best items this fan boy protests. He
> must have forgot to add that wee bit of factual info.
>
> I didn't read the rest of his drivel. Many of which are not even close to
> what you will expect in game.
>

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>
> "Kas" <nykara[NOSPAM]@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43062e2a$0$8999$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
> LOL, Entertainer and Musicans now? Most cantinas are barren these days.
> You speak like a true fanboy.
>
>
> So as a new player with little or no credits this means you will be paying
> upwards of several million for the best items this fan boy protests. He
> must have forgot to add that wee bit of factual info.
>
> I didn't read the rest of his drivel. Many of which are not even close to
> what you will expect in game.
>
>

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> everyone automatically assumes someone is male all the time?

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> I am surprised by your attitude and you absence of factual info you talk
> about. SWG should be right up your alley as you seem totally lost in space.
>
>

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>
> "Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.x> wrote in message
> news:A-Odna34MMlIoZveRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>
> Oh yay another player who has quit the game and decided to go around
> dissing
> on those who still play huh? Every game has people like that. If you are
> going to try and state numbers in the game however and what professions
> are
> or aren't still used - you may at least want to base it on some sort of
> factual evidence first, there are plenty of cantina's around that have
> entertainers in them - our player city is one of them. Tatooine is
> another.
> You need to get out of yesterday and realise Correllia is no longer the
> captial that it used to be, Tatooine is now. Add to that the fact that
> there
> are actually a LOT of players (myself included) who stop and help out
> newbie
> players to the game, with starting credits, a few pieces of equipment and
> so
> on. It's called being nice, plenty of people in the game do know how to be
> nice or at least they are on Valcyn.
>
> And yes I am a fan of both Star Wars and Star Wars Galaxies. I dunno why
> people think calling someone a fan is an attempted insult I'm rather proud
> of it myself. The game is fun, why wouldn't I enjoy it? ;)
>
> Btw QUIT calling me a "boy" tho because I most certainly am not male ;). I
> can't even think of a single male name that "Kas" is short for, but off
> the
> top of my head i can think of at least 4 or 5 female ones, i dont get why
> everyone automatically assumes someone is male all the time?
>
>

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>It's not the CU that ruined it. The CU actually brought some semblance of
>balance between the professions. I'll flat out tell you what ruined SWG.
>
>The introduction of player character Jedi, and the subsequent buffing up of
>that profession until it overshadowed every other profession. Had that not
>happened, had Jedi been left only to NPC's, the game would have progressed
>even further than the stale game it is now. But God knows SoE had to milk
>their Jedi cash cow, even if it alienated every OTHER player in the game.
>
>

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>
>"Man of Kilrah" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
>news:4305bc3e$0$29885$a729d347@news.telepac.pt...
>
>
>Frankly, you just happened to ask your question at the wrong time, when a
>screw up on a publish had the general population of SWG annoyed and up in
>arms. They did however listen to the community and revoke this screw up so
>all is good again.
>
>There are a lot of people who disliked the combat upgrade, and a lot like me
>who really liked it.
>The reasons I did like the CU is as follows:
>-Pre Combat upgrade, most grouping was "solo grouping" people would put
>togeather a large group then each go their own seperate ways on a planet
>doing missions. Completely boring but it was the most viable way to gain a
>large amount of experience in a short period of time and massive over buffs
>allowed you to kill large amounts of creatures at once. When the combat
>upgrade went in, they fixed buffs to be more in line with how they should
>be, meaning you could no longer stand infront of 10 NPC's that were
>approximatly the same level as yourself and live (afterall if 10 people
>decided to bash you IRL would you survive it and over power them?

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>Of course
>not, though you might be able to run away, which you can do in SWG as well.
>They balanced the professions and the buffs so that once again it was way
>more realistic.

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>-Pre Combat Upgrade, there were no visable CL's and you gained experience
>from any creature you killed, just that some creatures had less xp "in them"
>then others. For example a nuna (one of the weakest creatures in the game)
>might have had only 250 available xp in it. Where as a Rancor (high level
>creature) might have had 25,000 xp in it (although you were "capped at
>around 10k so the most you could have gotten from killing it was 10k xp,
>however an entire group of people killing this same creature would only get
>an amount of that 25k xp each, so if you had more then two people in your
>group they would get less then the 10k a solo person would get and at this
>point in time not a lot faster in killing as a solo hunter with a full
>template could kill insanly fast). Post CU they added CL's to creatures, and
>updated the mission terminals to give you creatures that matched your own CL
>(2 levels lower to 2 levels higher then yourself is the most you can go),
>and the experience you gained from each kill was changed to a static amount
>based on your CL and the CL of the creature you are killing at the time.
>Leaving any creatures so many levels lower then you are giving you no
>experience points at all. They also balanced combat so that Soloing it would
>obviously take you longer to kill a creature then it'd take an entire group
>to kill the same creature. Again this change was realistic *and* it
>encouraged grouping again, because grouping each group member got full xp
>for the kill no matter how much damage they did or didn't do to the
>creature, given that groups can kill much faster then a solo person can, and
>gain as much experience per kill as a solo person can this made grouping
>with friends a viable way to gain your experience. Making xping with your
>friends fun again.
>
>Although this explaination might not be all that clear for someone who has
>never played the game.
>
>What I like about SWG over other games?
>* It has a social aspect that NO other MMO has, with player housing, player
>cities, guild halls, cantina's, entertainer and musician professions it
>gives the game a very social community feel that a lot of MMO's lack.
>*It has a crafting system that is actually useful, crafters for the most
>part craft the best items in the game such as armor and weapons rather then
>it dropping from world spawns.
>*All professions rely on another profession in one way or another. Tailor's
>provide the wide range of clothing available in the game, which every
>character would have at least one set of clothes(many have more, after all
>we all like to customize our own looks and change it from time to time) for
>there character. Armorsmiths provde the armor that a lot of combat
>professions require. Weaponsmiths provide the weapons that ALL combat
>professions require at one point or another (accept for Jedi, they make
>their own light sabers, and Teris Kasi once they reach master as their
>unarmed damage is better then the weapons they can use), All combat and
>crafters can use Dancers and Musicians and Entertainers for an
>"inspiriation" buff which increases their xp gain by 10%, Doctors and Combat
>Medics are of course liked in groups because we all like to be healed when
>we get hurt, those who like decorating love architechs for the furnishings
>they can make for your houses, not to mention houses are needed by most for
>storage and also made by architechs, crafters need the help of combat people
>so that they can harvest resources from dangerous locations.. so, as I said,
>every player at some point in their SWG life time will rely on the crafters,
>healers, and other players in the game in some way in order to advance their
>playing experience. - ALL Armor, Weapons, Clothing and other items decay
>over time (usually due to the death of your character when you clone your
>items will take damage)
>*Badges: These are a great way of showing the things your character has done
>in the game and the places your character has visited. People can /examine
>you and see in your character biography what badges you have aquired.
>*Space: Space is just fun in my opinion. The setup is easy to understand and
>blowing ships out of space is a great way to spend some time if you've had
>enough of ground missions for a while
>*Quests and Quest Rewards: There are loads of quests in the game, many that
>give nice rewards. Some rewards are decorative - decorations for your house
>that you can keep forever, others are things like armor, weapons(which do
>decay over time but are nice to have while you have them), buffs, more
>badges (to show which quests you have done). These also include theme parks
>which are a large series of quests that allow you to advance further in to
>the theme park as you do them (like the huge building of Jabba's palace, you
>walk in the door, do the quests for the first guy then your allowed to go in
>to the next area untill eventually you get to Jabba the Hutt himself) - you
>also get rewards as you go along.
>*Kash is just plan cool, lots of quests, wookies, tree's, creatures and even
>space quests from the space station that lead to new ships as rewards.
>*Role Playing - Im in a role playing guild, SWG is the only game I have ever
>seen real role playing guilds in that role play a lot. Most other games are
>about playing the game itself only, SWG has room for everything and an
>environment to cater for it.
>*Veteran Rewards - Decorations and other things based on the lenght of time
>you have been playing the game for.
>
>My best guess really is to have a good read over the website, take a look at
>the screen shots. Read some information about the content thats available in
>the game, ask yourself how much you like Star Wars itself and then decided
>for yourself if you think the SWG universe is one you could really see
>yourself becoming envolved in and enjoying or not .. Or try it and then
>decide if you want to keep playing it or not
>Just a warning though, the path to Jedi, if its one you choose to take is a
>long, slow hard grind however, its not something you can just kick over in a
>short period of time. But a normal combat template, or crafting template or
>anything similar doesn't take all that long at all, only a few weeks to
>master then you can run around an enjoy the games content. (Crafting to
>knock over in a short time does however require the resources to craft your
>way through it).
>
>Ishka
>
>

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>What he is referring to is that crafters make better equipment, weapons and
>armor, than what you can loot, except for the 1 in a million legendary
>drops.
>
>On Wanderhome, there are plenty of cantinas with musicians and dancers
>still, just not the one in coronet.
>
>As for cost, except for PVP, who needs top of the line? A decent set of
>armor is the major cost now, but you can still get decent starter sets for a
>good price. Good to excellent weapons are pretty reasonably priced.
>

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>As a new character, you won't need(or for that fact be able to use) the most
>advanced or protective armor and weapons.
>
>Just remember that most people that enjoy the game are playing it, not in
>the forums or newsgroups writing about it. And that this game is more about
>socializing than just running around by yourself.
>
>"Reg LeCrisp" <x@x.x> wrote in message
>news:A-Odna34MMlIoZveRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>

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>Bugglubb wrote:
>
>
>
>Well... if he had the expansion.

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>
> Isn't that what happened in the SW movies?? I would think that's what
> most people wanted to play SWG for.... to imulate the movie.

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> Hello Kas,
>
> Thank you very much for your replies. Those was very very enlightening.
> I will do what you said and try it. After your post I see it at least work

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> glance.

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> OK Again I have to ask.... If you attain the goal of absolutly
> balances professions.... then why bother having more than one
> profession at all? I mean.... they are all going to be equally
> effective? If you offer each profession individual challenges then
> aren't you segregating the population my skills again?

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> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:55:10 GMT, "Steven Vavra"
> <stevenksu@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Please explain something to me. If y ou have absolute balance between
> the professions..... then why have more than one profession at all?

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> "Man of Kilrah" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:430a0982$0$23369$a729d347@news.telepac.pt...
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> a
>
> With all that gushing about how "wonderful" the CU changes are,

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> level-based mobs, the fan-bois did NOT mention some key points.
>
> 1) The main faults with preCU SWG - excessive buffs, overly-effective

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> overpowered Damage Over Time attacks - could have been fixed without the
> massive and gratuitous changes that came with them.
> 2) The change to level-based mobs (turning SWG into "EQ in Space")

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> in the mass slaughter of Dancers and Musicians and Crafters. If you are

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> a combat character, a HIGH level combat character, then you're road kill

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> absolutely everthing.

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> 3) Level-based mobs also made vehicles extremely vulnerable to attack,
> resulting in many one-shot kills. Formerly-useful pets, droids and mounts
> were similarly nerfed. So noncombat players can't fight, can't defend
> themselves, and can't run either.

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> 4) Becoming a high level combat character became a necessity, not just for
> bare survival but also getting into any of the game's Star Wars content.

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> the same time, the skill-point cost of the upper combat professions was
> increased. This resulted in the near-elimination of hybrid characters who
> combined combat with crafting or entertainment professions.

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> 5) Entertainers used to have a place in the game economy as healers, in
> addition to purely social functions. With the coming of the CU, there were
> no longer Mind wounds to be healed, and then the devs took away the

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> of Battle Fatigue. Entertainers are now an almost purely social profession
> (the inspiration buffs are a pathetic sop), with almost no economic

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> and consequently almost no income.

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> 6) If you get wounded, you better enjoy sitting around in Med centers.
> Medics can't heal you anymore, only Doctors. And since the devs, in their
> "wisdom", decided that medical XP can ONLY be obtained in combat, you wont
> see many Doctors in the hospitals. There is nothing there for them but
> role-playing: no XP for wound healing and players rarely pay for heals.

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> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:55:10 GMT, "Steven Vavra"
> <stevenksu@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
> Please explain something to me. If y ou have absolute balance between
> the professions..... then why have more than one profession at all?
>
>

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>
> "Tom Carman" <Tom(underscore)Carman at compuserve dot com> wrote in

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> news:dehsc001h6r@news4.newsguy.com...
> resulted
> not
> to
>
> Anyone in a guild is crazy if they have issues with this.. we have like 10
> combat people who jump and go out and help our crafters they minute they
> need assistance. There are plenty of crafters who can survive no problems
> crafting.

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>
> Just so not true, i know plenty of non-combat players. Entertainers were
> nerfed because of the removal of BF (and i still think this wasn't such a
> great idea) but on test at the moment they are testing new ent buffs

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>
> The CU didn't remove battle fatigue that came later - dont confuse the 2

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> blame the CU for BF removal. Besides for Jedi that insp buff that lasts 3
> hours and increases what is already bad xp is a good thing and most like
> obtaining it before going out and fighting.

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> Then don't sit around med centers - go out and find a doctor around the

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> popular cities there is usually one hanging around and its not like you

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> a med center to heal those wounds any more since they can be
> healed -anywhere-. I stop and heal peoples wounds all the time, even to

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> point now where some come over to the city they know I hunt in most
> specifically to ask for some wound healing. Plenty of us Docs around more
> then willing to do this.

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>
> "Tom Carman" <Tom(underscore)Carman at compuserve dot com> wrote in

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> news:dehsc001h6r@news4.newsguy.com...
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> work
> particularly
> armor,
> resulted
> not
> to
>
> Anyone in a guild is crazy if they have issues with this.. we have like 10
> combat people who jump and go out and help our crafters they minute they
> need assistance. There are plenty of crafters who can survive no problems
> crafting.
> I have a CL 1 crafter myself - stationed on Naboo just outside of a player
> city, never had issues yet getting to my harvies or factories (CL of mobs

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> naboo aren't high enough to do any serious damage can ride past them

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> they even incap me)
> I don't know what server you play on but ours has plenty of crafters,
> entertainers and the like still around. Try checking out Tatooine or

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> player cities.

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>
> I couldn't disagree more. As a crafter, I would die in 5 to 10 seconds.

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>
><Skinner1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c0iog1lb898le5oincnc6k3vgi36edtbpb@4ax.com...
>of
>of
>not
>progressed
>milk
>
>Umm maybe because different people have different playing styles? Like my
>friend who enjoys running around holding on to guns while i prefer unarmed
>combat?
>

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> were
> and
>
> I didn't confuse them, I noted the sequence. But I do also blame the CU
> for
> the removal of healing for BF. (BF is actually still there; it just
> auto-heals when you zone or log, and entertainers can't heal it.) The
> combat
> changes drastically reduced the rate of BF. Low CLs especially got
> incapped
> by the damage multiplier before they could get much BF from the battle.
> Combine that with the line-of-sight bugs that made it often impossible to
> /listen or /watch an entertainer, and the devs took the cheap and lazy
> copout of dumping BF.

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>
> their
> wont
> more
> need
> the
>
> People sit in Med centers because they want their wounds healed by being
> there; doctors are not nearly as common as you claim. I know, I was one.
> My
> point is that the devs robbed the doctors of XP for healing wounds. You
> have
> to be in combat to get any XP, and a doc in combat is healing
> life-threatening damage, not wounds. It is REASONABLE for players to
> expect
> to find doctors in hospitals to heal them. The devs screwed up on this.
> Don't bother bringing up tumbling in the past, because it really doesn't
> apply anymore.
>

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> "Kas" <nykara[NOSPAM]@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:430db93e$0$19585$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> message
> enlightening.
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>
> I couldn't disagree more. As a crafter, I would die in 5 to 10 seconds.
> There's no way my guild mates could get to me in time. In the more

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> areas, it's hard to get around the red dots. I even expanded my
> topographical map/radar, so I wouldn't get caught off guard. Any time I
> would get too close, some npc would knock me off my bike. Then it was time
> to head for a cloning factory. Just after the CU, I tried almost every
> combat profession. With TKM, BH, Rifleman, or CM it took up to 10 hits to
> take down an npc that used to take one hit. I'm not talking STs. I'm

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> those little weak desert swoopers. That is ridiculous. Until I can take

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> any NPC besides a krayt, I will not be returning. It's not worth the

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>
> Tom

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> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:31:06 +1000, "Kas"
> <nykara[NOSPAM]@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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> Yes..... but if both characters are so balanced that they kill the
> same beast at the same time..... then what does it matter how they
> killed it?? Hands become guns become swords becoime magic...
>
> There MUST be contrast. Contrast gives life definition!
>
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> "Tom" <moondok@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7aoPe.1503$tB5.193@okepread06...
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> Its no harder or easier to walk around higher level planets now then it

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> to be pre-CU. Pre-CU things would still attack and kill you. The only
> difference is they do it slightly quicker then they used to do it as such

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> need to drag out the inevitable, to say it WASN'T difficult to walk around
> as a pure crafter pre-cu is crazy because it was just as hard then as it

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> now the CU didn't change that at all. I found ways pre-cu to get around
> creatures that would agro me because I had no choice, post-cu same deal.

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> same things that used to incap my crafter before the CU still incap my
> character now post CU if i get too close to them. People just like blaming
> the CU for everything.. how quickly they forget...
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>
>I think that your 'now and then' comparison may be a bit off... True, when
>I started playing in September 2003, Medical centers were bustling centers
>of healing. Medics, Doctors and the occasional Combat Medic would be found
>fairly easily. Someone coming into the Med Center with wounds was pounced
>on by every person in the facility that saw them in time. I certainly
>earned a lot of Medical XP that way. However, and here your argument starts
>to border on being a strawman.... Tips were...spotty...even then. If one
>looks into 2004 with the advent of the Holo Grind, one can see a quantum
>shift in Medical Centers and Doctors. The Holo-grind has turned Medical
>Centers into grinding facilities/cash cows and Starports into Medical
>Centers. I'm not going to say that tumbling and grinding Medical XP with
>Tumblers was the only thing going on in Med Centers, you'd sometimes see
>someone "on duty" to heal people, But a distressing number of the medics in
>a Med Center weren't there to heal wounds, only self-inflicted damage. As
>2004 progressed and passed into 2005, I'd dare say that such practices far
>exceeded the number of doctors or medics that practiced in a Med Center.
>Doctors could mostly be found in the Starports or in their cities or in the
>field. Quite a few people had TK Meditation 4 just so they wouldn't have to
>worry about finding a doctor. If they knew a doctor in their guild, or
>city, or a neighboring city, chances are, they had that doctor on their
>friends list and visited them regularly. For the 6 months before the CU, it
>was quite honestly, difficult to find a Doc to heal your wounds unless you
>went looking for them. Tips were virtually Non-existent, though I made it a
>policy to tip anyone that healed me.

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> Its no harder or easier to walk around higher level planets now then it
> used
> to be pre-CU. Pre-CU things would still attack and kill you.

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>
>There are differences in what each profession does - but the fact remains
>when they go head to head one can survive or die just as easily as the
>other. That doesn't make them unbalanced, just different, your arguments
>make no sense.

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> <SNIP>
>
>
> Thank you. That is Exactly the statement I was wanting somebody to
> make. You see.... The game is NOT about Star Wars. It's NOT about
> adventure or Role Playing....
>
> The game is about PvP. PERIOD.
>

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> worth the time and money spent.

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> Could you please give me your opinion and tell me a few things you like

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> you don't in this game?

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> This was it for me - I will never come back to an SoE game - ever. What
> they have done to this game shows their absolute contempt the time and
> effort players invest in the game and the playerbase in general.

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> Dave

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> close Star Wars lore. Stay away, Far Far away. Your money is best spent
> elsewhere.

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> same beast at the same time..... then what does it matter how they
> killed it?? Hands become guns become swords becoime magic...
>
> There MUST be contrast. Contrast gives life definition!

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> decorating.

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> You need to play some more MMOG titles dude. UO and SWG are not the entire
> genre.
>
> Even EQ has now been relegated to a bit player in a genre totally pwned by
> the first company that came along and dared to make a game *fun*, balanced
> and powerful. I am not talking just class x=y balanced either, I am

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> PvP = PvE solo = PvE group.
>
> SoE's anti solo stance is looking decidedly antiquated these days.
>
>

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> "Rastus" <zzrhardy@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:434a2d24$0$16852$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> talking
>
> There's nothing anti-social about the current SWG setup at all.
> In fact grouping is the best XP you will ever find in the game.
> Entertainers have a purpose again (I've even added 0 0 4 0 dancer to my
> Jedi
> template sacrificing Jedi skills to keep it)
> Role Playing in the game if your that way inclinded is a lot of fun (the
> game setup caters to this very nicely).
> Some less used professions are being revamped (Squad Leader, Ranger -
> changes to both of these professions look very interesting)
> Jedi can now group with their friends without fear of visability causing
> bounty hunters to be chasing them down.
>
> What's anti social about that?
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>
> Do you a deal, come over to a real game and I will set you up...
>
> You know - like, a game that is <fun>.

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> You need to play some more MMOG titles dude. UO and SWG are not the
> entire genre.
>
> Even EQ has now been relegated to a bit player in a genre totally pwned
> by the first company that came along and dared to make a game *fun*,
> balanced and powerful. I am not talking just class x=y balanced either,
> I am talking PvP = PvE solo = PvE group.
>
> SoE's anti solo stance is looking decidedly antiquated these days.

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> SWG
>
> No - for one simple reason: the devs have absolutely no respect for the
> player base. This means they are completely incapable of fixing the
> problems
> they have created. Spent 18 months on a character? Well, hears a pineapple
> to shove up your arse, from now on womp rats are going to make your their
> bitches all over again. Who cares is PvP is or isn't playable anymore
> since
> PvE is completely and utterly XXXXed.
>
> and
>
> Going back a year ago: the open game design and lack of "vertical
> advancement model" was the best on the market. These days the game has
> been
> destroyed by bolting on a completely unrealistic vertical advancment model
> on PvE play. We are talking about nerfdom in the order of having less than
> half your previous PvE ability or much much less. Never has any MMOG had
> such a large scale and total nerfing, and yet we have 4 million WoW
> players
> over in the other corner showing us that nerfing is an outdated concept
> alltogether anyway.
>
> This was it for me - I will never come back to an SoE game - ever. What
> they
> have done to this game shows their absolute contempt the time and effort
> players invest in the game and the playerbase in general.
>
>

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> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:04:23 +1000, Rastus wrote:
>
>
> Isn't the idea of a *multiplayer* online game to play the game with other
> folks? If you want to play on your own then it seems SWG isn't the game
> for you.
>
> Dave

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> "Kas" <nykara[NOSPAM]@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:434a3650$0$17950$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> Shhhh! Don't prod him too hard or he might wake up from the self-hypnotic
> suggestion that "SWG sucks!" that he's decided to subscribe to. We don't
> know how he might react to reason.
>
> By the way Rastus, in case you're still about... Can you be a Master
> Dancer/ID in WoW? Just curious because I have a blast with my Grand

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> Entertainer (Master Dancer/Master ID/Master Musician/Master Entertainer).
>
> Drat! There I go prodding him after I suggested not to.
>
> The Bar-erras Clan
> Lowca Galaxy

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> Isn't the idea of a *multiplayer* online game to play the game with
> other folks? If you want to play on your own then it seems SWG isn't
> the game for you.

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> Dancer/ID in WoW? Just curious because I have a blast with my Grand

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> Entertainer (Master Dancer/Master ID/Master Musician/Master Entertainer).

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> me there are plenty of others in the game who dissagree.

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> to play or achieve things.

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>
> Which server are you on? I have respecced multiple times now trying
> something to do that is viable with such low populations. Even as a Master
> Doctor registered on the map in Theed Starport I did not get a single
> customer in 2 and a half hours.
>
> And this was on Bria - the supposed overloaded metropolis compared to

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> servers.
>