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Falcon AF a bit frustrated from A/A combat
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| Silverdolphin.it 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
| HI all,
I am a bit frustrated with air to air combat. I accomplished all missions
about navigation, landing, take-off etc etc. So I started to fly the mission
16.
As write in manual I freeze simulation, hit M to arm AMRAAM, radar in 20
miles and in theory I have to move cursors on the target and acquire it with
0. It is simple but there isn't a moving cursor on my radar! it seems there
isn't any target locked! Which is the problem?
any suggest?
G
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| "Silverdolphin.it" <no.spam@non.lo.ho> wrote in message
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> HI all,
> I am a bit frustrated with air to air combat. I accomplished all missions
> about navigation, landing, take-off etc etc. So I started to fly the
> mission 16.
> As write in manual I freeze simulation, hit M to arm AMRAAM, radar in 20
> miles and in theory I have to move cursors on the target and acquire it
> with 0. It is simple but there isn't a moving cursor on my radar! it seems
> there isn't any target locked! Which is the problem?
> any suggest?
The radar in this game is modelled realistically and therefore only sweeps a
small area up and down from the planes nose and a certain amount left and
right. You can increase the radar coverage but it takes longer for the
seeker head to scan the area and therefore pick up a target. Usually you
leave it on a wide scan when flying normally to try to pick up as many
targets as possible to build up your situational awareness and then
gradually reduce the coverage when you home in on the target you are
interested in which keeps its location updated regularly. But however you do
it the radar will take a while to look for the target. Sometimes you wont
pick up the enemies (of friendlies) at all if they are below or above your
radar coverage in terms of altitude, and sometimes you wont pick planes up
if they are flying parallel to you and therefore invisble to the radar.
Enemies can also break the radar lock using ECM.
When I am playing the game I will usually start off in RWS mode with a wide
radar coverage and often manually lower and raise the radar seeking altitude
to pick up any threats that are flying very low (usually bombers) or very
high (usually CAP aircraft). When I find a target blob that I think is a
threat I will lock it up by selecting it once with the cursor and thereby
going into TWS mode which shows the direction the target is moving and other
info like speed etc. When ready to fire I will then click on the target
again go into the next mode which concentrates the radar just on that target
only so you get a reasonably lock on the target for your radar missiles to
follow.
If you find yourself in a close dogfight (which happens very quickly in F4)
you are best going straight into emergency dogfight mode by pressing 'D'
which automatically radar scans quickly in a very narrow arc above and below
your plane. By turning your plane you will pick up close targets very
quickly this way. I usually make sure I am playing with close labels on as
well so when I look around visually I can pick up threats easily - otherwise
even very close planes are extremely difficult to spot. And determining
enemies from friendlies is almost impossible - in real life your eyes would
be able to tell the difference but the monitor pixels do not make it very
easy so I dont see this as cheating at all, in fact its more realistic to
me. I also play with advanced padlock on only (not realistic) so that you
dont lose padlocks on planes that fly under you etc - you wouldnt lose a
visual lock on such targets in real life so again I dont see this as
cheating. These helpers make dogfights far fairer to me and much more fun
when you can tell where the enemy plaes are quickly.
In F4 the whole game is pretty damn realistic and expecially the radar is
very diffiuclt to get to grips with after playing simple flight sims that
cheated and gave you a god eye view radar with colour coverage all around
your plance etc. In real life you have to struggle with the limitations of
the hardware and thats the same for F4. When you get good at handling the
radar you really feel a sense of acomplishment.
To finally answer your question then - your enemy target is probably outside
your selected radar scan coverage so you cannot pick it up - either too far
on one side or another of your nose, too high or low for your radar, or will
be too far away for your currect radar to see. You have to constantly adjust
the radar beam width, height and scan distance to ensure no enemy planes get
close to you undetected - its blooming difficult to learn when youre trying
to fly at the same time but you get used to it eventually.
Nats
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| Silverdolphin.it 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
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"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> "Silverdolphin.it" <no.spam@non.lo.ho> wrote in message
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> To finally answer your question then - your enemy target is probably
> outside your selected radar scan coverage so you cannot pick it up -
> either too far on one side or another of your nose, too high or low for
> your radar, or will be too far away for your currect radar to see. You
> have to constantly adjust the radar beam width, height and scan distance
> to ensure no enemy planes get close to you undetected - its blooming
> difficult to learn when youre trying to fly at the same time but you get
> used to it eventually.
>
> Nats
thank you for your in depth answer...
on my MFD I see the enemy plane (yellow dot) but how lock it? I try to use
arrow keys to move the curso but nothing happen...
G
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| HockeyTownUSA 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
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"Silverdolphin.it" <no.spam@non.lo.ho> wrote in message
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> "Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> thank you for your in depth answer...
> on my MFD I see the enemy plane (yellow dot) but how lock it? I try to use
> arrow keys to move the curso but nothing happen...
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> G
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Keypad 0 twice
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| Silverdolphin.it 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
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"HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> Keypad 0 twice
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no, nothing,
the cursor doesn't move on the yellow dot so I can't hit numpad 0 to lock.
It seems that cursor is not enabled, but I see it on mfd and it doesn't
move!
G
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| Toni Virta 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
| "Silverdolphin.it" <no.spam@non.lo.ho> wrote in message
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> no, nothing,
> the cursor doesn't move on the yellow dot so I can't hit numpad 0
to lock.
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> It seems that cursor is not enabled, but I see it on mfd and it
doesn't
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> move!
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By "cursor" you mean the "gates" on the left MFD? The two close
vertical bars? Just to clarify, that we're talking about the same
thing.
Is there any other info on the MFD, like a text "Not SOI"? If that
text appears, it may be, that you have changed the
sensor-of-interest to the right hand MFD or HUD, which probably
would explain your problem. I say probably, because I have never
cycled SOI's in Air-to-Air or missile override mode.
If you can see the gates and your target, but the gates simply
refuse to move, could it be, that you have changed keyboard
functions from the default? If the cursor however moves, you have to
be careful to move it *exactly* over the target. You know you are
painting the target, when altitude information is displayed next to
the yellow dot. If it is not shown, you can't lock the target as the
cage is not positioned correctly.
And finally, does this same thing happen, if instead of missile
override mode you go directly to air-to-air master mode hitting
enter?
And one last question. Could it be, that the radar is in
air-to-ground setting in steerpoint mode? Then the cage would
refuse to move. A lot of speculation and questions, I know, but it's
a bit difficult to know, what exactly you are seeing.
TVirta
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| Silverdolphin.it 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
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"Toni Virta" <toni.reomvethis.virta@talentum.fi> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> By "cursor" you mean the "gates" on the left MFD? The two close
> vertical bars? Just to clarify, that we're talking about the same
> thing.
>
Hi Toni,
in the left MFD I have two light blue vertical bar, pressing num 0 the two
bar become more closer. Then I have a little "white dot" with two number.
quote:
> Is there any other info on the MFD, like a text "Not SOI"? If that
> text appears, it may be, that you have changed the
> sensor-of-interest to the right hand MFD or HUD, which probably
> would explain your problem. I say probably, because I have never
> cycled SOI's in Air-to-Air or missile override mode.
no, there isn't "not soi" I see only the radar scanning and enemy airplanes
yellow dots.
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> And one last question. Could it be, that the radar is in
> air-to-ground setting in steerpoint mode? Then the cage would
> refuse to move. A lot of speculation and questions, I know, but it's
> a bit difficult to know, what exactly you are seeing.
no, I am not in A/G mode. 
Let's tart againg, what I do is as follow:
I fly directly to the targets(2 Tupolev bomber) in a training mission.
Appear a B letter in the RWS.
I set master arm ON and set air-to-air mode. On my left MFD appear a yellow
dot, range is 40. I see two light blue brackets (like a gate) repeatly
moving from center to left of the MFD. ON right MFD appear a sort of
"weapons menu", gun is selected, I change it to amraam. The HUD is in
"combat" mode, with a circle in the middle. Now HOw I have to procede?
thank you!
G
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| Toni Virta 2006-02-26, 7:52 pm |
| "Silverdolphin.it" <no.spam@non.lo.ho> wrote in message
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quote:
> Hi Toni,
> in the left MFD I have two light blue vertical bar, pressing num
0 the two
quote:
> bar become more closer. Then I have a little "white dot" with two
number.
Hey!
OK, now we know that numpad 0 is functioning correctly. The vertical
bars are indeed the gate that you move around to lock up targets and
when they get closer, they are trying to lock, whatever is between
the vertical bars. If there is something between the bars, it is
locked, if not, you see the phenomenon you described.
One further question. When you use the arrow keys to move the gate
in left MFD, what happens? Does the gate refuse to move altogether?
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> no, there isn't "not soi" I see only the radar scanning and enemy
airplanes
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> yellow dots.
Everything OK there then.
quote:
> Let's tart againg, what I do is as follow:
> I fly directly to the targets(2 Tupolev bomber) in a training
mission.
quote:
> Appear a B letter in the RWS.
> I set master arm ON and set air-to-air mode. On my left MFD appear
a yellow
quote:
> dot, range is 40. I see two light blue brackets (like a gate)
repeatly
quote:
> moving from center to left of the MFD. ON right MFD appear a sort
of
quote:
> "weapons menu", gun is selected, I change it to amraam. The HUD is
in
quote:
> "combat" mode, with a circle in the middle. Now HOw I have to
procede?
Wait a minute! The blue horizontal bars are moving on their own?
They definetly should not be doing that.
They ought to be centered in the MFD and respond to your arrow keys.
If the bars indeed have a mind of their own, that is definetly the
reason you are unable to lock up anything. I can't begin to guess
why the gate should travel witout user input. Faulty keyboard,
changed keyboard layout or a faulty joystick configuration file are
first things that leap to mind.
What you should be doing is that you maneuver the gates over the
target return (yellow blip), then hit numpad_0. That's it.
TVirta
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"Silverdolphin.it" <no.spam@non.lo.ho> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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quote:
> HI all,
> I am a bit frustrated with air to air combat. I accomplished all missions
> about navigation, landing, take-off etc etc. So I started to fly the
> mission 16.
> As write in manual I freeze simulation, hit M to arm AMRAAM, radar in 20
> miles and in theory I have to move cursors on the target and acquire it
> with 0. It is simple but there isn't a moving cursor on my radar! it seems
> there isn't any target locked! Which is the problem?
> any suggest?
>
>
> G
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AFAIK if you hit "P" you can't move coursor, because the sim is "time
frozen".
You have to hit "shift+P" to pause the sim while time is running on.
now you can move the radar cursor, lock a target etc.
Hope this helps !
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