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> I have had this sim for a week and am confused as to what it really is.
> It seems very stable(as reported). The graphics are a little dark on
> my machine but certainly okay. The pdf manual is a pain in the XXX as
> they all are. But even the pdf manual doesn't have the how to's as the
> original falcon manual. So I have to go back to the F4 manual to find
> out how to fly the training missions etc. Therefore does this make
> F4AF merely a stabilizing patch?

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> I have had this sim for a week and am confused as to what it really is.
> It seems very stable(as reported). The graphics are a little dark on
> my machine but certainly okay. The pdf manual is a pain in the XXX as
> they all are. But even the pdf manual doesn't have the how to's as the
> original falcon manual. So I have to go back to the F4 manual to find
> out how to fly the training missions etc. Therefore does this make
> F4AF merely a stabilizing patch?
>

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> drtee@cox.net wrote:
>
> ?????
>
> I assume you *bought* the game, right? Why would you think that a
> retail game which comes with its own box, manual, etc. is a patch?

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>
> James

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> drtee@cox.net wrote:
> ?????

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> I assume you *bought* the game, right? Why would you think that a retail
> game which comes with its own box, manual, etc. is a patch?

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> I'm not sure what you mean that you have to go abck to the original manual
> for "how to fly the training missions etc." There are extremely detailed
> instructions right in the PDF manual that comes with F4:AF that show you
> *exactly* what to do in any particular training mission. For instance,
> pp. 14-16 (Training Mission 1), pp. 19-26 (Training Mission 2), pp. 29-32
> (Training Mission 3). You get the idea.
>
> James

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>The pdf manual is a pain in the XXX as
>they all are. But even the pdf manual doesn't have the how to's as the
>original falcon manual.

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>"James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:COfFe.9176$oZ.7891@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>????? yourself!
>
>
>Because - DUH F4 should have been squared away when it was
>released. Then we have all the dedicated users doing the Free falcon
>stuff along with all the other realism patches. So now Allied Force.
>
>AF better be squared away. If the ground radar issue is for real then
>the AF people can screw them selves. I mean after this amount of time,
>bugs are not OK and something to be patched. AF is essentially the
>super patch to make F4 what is was supposed to be. And (DUH again)
>we had to pay for it.
>
>You dig... Dog?

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> AF better be squared away. If the ground radar issue is for real then
> the AF people can screw them selves. I mean after this amount of time,
> bugs are not OK and something to be patched. AF is essentially the
> super patch to make F4 what is was supposed to be. And (DUH again)
> we had to pay for it.

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> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:24:28 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <gcisko@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Randy Jackson is that you Dog?
>

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>
>"Greg Cisko" <gcisko@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ZaOdnfuaxJ9mVXjfRVn-2g@comcast.com...
>
>There is no ground radar issue. Its fine.

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>
>Nats
>

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> I seem to have one, how ever it could be a learning thing. Here is
> what happens
> Whenever I go on a mission with A-G weapons if I switch to A-A weapons
> (after I drop some bombs) I can not get the ground radar to come back
> on in the MFD's. I get the right A-G modes on the HUD and the other
> MFD but the radar seems stuck on A-A mode and yea I still have A-G
> weapons. I have tried to hit the master mode keys (backspace) and the
> F2 key and the A-G button on the up front panel but all I get is A-A
> radar.
>
> Anyone else have this problem?

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><bp@home.net> wrote in message
>news:u42de15in2afr9o2cl9llp2728mao7804n@4ax.com...
>
>Sorry I thought you meant not being able to see ground targets. Im convinced
>that there are plenty of bugs regarding use of the ground radar generally -
>sometimes I get a frozen display and sometimes I get a garbled radar
>display - and I'm personally still getting lots of CTDs in and out of the 3D
>section of the game. The instability is rather frustrating.
>

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>Nats
>

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> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:24:28 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <gcisko@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> Randy Jackson is that you Dog?

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>

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> Sorry I thought you meant not being able to see ground targets. Im
> convinced that there are plenty of bugs regarding use of the ground radar
> generally - sometimes I get a frozen display and sometimes I get a garbled
> radar

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> display - and I'm personally still getting lots of CTDs in and out of the
> 3D section of the game. The instability is rather frustrating.
>
> Nats
>

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> "James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:COfFe.9176$oZ.7891@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
> ????? yourself!
>
>
>
>
> Because - DUH F4 should have been squared away when it was
> released. Then we have all the dedicated users doing the Free falcon
> stuff along with all the other realism patches. So now Allied Force.
>

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> AF better be squared away. If the ground radar issue is for real then
> the AF people can screw them selves. I mean after this amount of time,
> bugs are not OK and something to be patched. AF is essentially the
> super patch to make F4 what is was supposed to be. And (DUH again)
> we had to pay for it.
>
> You dig... Dog?
>

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>
> Yeah - let's blame the current dev for the XXXXups of the past. Good
> strategy. I bet they REALLY listen to you.

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>
> You are free to enjoy your 1.08us. DOG. Just don't shit on the manicured
> lawn that is my F4:AF experience.

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> In the meantime, check out the patch - released what, 4 weeks after the
> initial release?

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> On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:41:34 +0100, "Nats"
> <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I seem to have one, how ever it could be a learning thing. Here is
> what happens
> Whenever I go on a mission with A-G weapons if I switch to A-A weapons
> (after I drop some bombs) I can not get the ground radar to come back
> on in the MFD's. I get the right A-G modes on the HUD and the other
> MFD but the radar seems stuck on A-A mode and yea I still have A-G
> weapons. I have tried to hit the master mode keys (backspace) and the
> F2 key and the A-G button on the up front panel but all I get is A-A
> radar.
>
> Anyone else have this problem?
>

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>I can't replicate this on my system. My F4 version was 1.0.1.50613.
>However, there is a patch to download to take it up to version 2.0 right
>now.
>
> RobP
>
> <bp@home.net> wrote in message
> news:u42de15in2afr9o2cl9llp2728mao7804n@4ax.com...
>
>

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>What patch? I never heard of an F4 AF patch. Are you saying there
>is such a patch? If so, when I run the game, why does it not install this
>patch? Seems like someone dropped the ball or something :-)

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>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:37:12 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <gcisko@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:1wEFe.9794$oZ.9148@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>Not sure what this means.
>
>
>Really. I uninstalled everything and F4:Af is the only thing I have
>going.
>
>
>What patch? I never heard of an F4 AF patch. Are you saying there
>is such a patch? If so, when I run the game, why does it not install this
>patch? Seems like someone dropped the ball or something :-)

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> "Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dc65gr$4hm$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> OK well for starters, what is up with that? Falcon 4 was released in
> 1998. No??? How is it possible to still have it not sorted out after
> 7 years. I mean sheesh.
>
> --
>
> gcisko@hotmail.com
>
>
>

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> I have had this sim for a week and am confused as to what it really is.
> It seems very stable(as reported). The graphics are a little dark on
> my machine but certainly okay. The pdf manual is a pain in the XXX as
> they all are. But even the pdf manual doesn't have the how to's as the
> original falcon manual. So I have to go back to the F4 manual to find
> out how to fly the training missions etc. Therefore does this make
> F4AF merely a stabilizing patch?

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> It's a little obscure but you need to run C:\Program Files\Lead
> Pursuit\Battlefield Operations\bfopsupdate.exe with the CD in the
> drive (assumeing you installed to default dir).
>
> Icer
>
>

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>Thanks I updated.
>

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>On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:18:22 +0100, Sean Black <sean@bucks-aggs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <3fudnTonvJh8w3XfRVn-og@comcast.com>, Greg Cisko
><gcisko@hotmail.com> writes
>Updated mine too. Does anyone know what the update actually
>fixes/improves?

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> Thanks I updated.
>
> Also for my long time friends on the flightsim NG, I have a treat for
> you. Check out http://bluechainlightning.net and click on "The Phoenix"
> link. Break out the bic lighters and titty cams :-)
>

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> Break out the earplugs while you're at it ;-)
>
> ETV
>
> Greg Cisko wrote:
>

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> Greg Cisko wrote:
>
> If the band is called Triangle, how come the CD cover has an oval on it