| WyleCoyote@bigcactus.com 2005-07-18, 12:31 am |
| On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:57:42 +0100, "Nats"
<nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Actually, after a pilot has received his ground clearance to taxi to a
runway and he has contacted tower to state "ready for takeoff", the
common ATC clearance in civil aviation for taxi onto an active runway
and hold is "position and hold" for takeoff clearance unless military
uses different terminology. If there are no traffic conflicts one can
get a cleared for takeoff after reporting ready for takeoff. You will
rarely get that at larger airports though.
Hold short is used in connection with clearances for ground
taxi across an active runway or another taxiway. Hold short
lines where no part of the aircraft can be beyond without a
clearance are painted on the surfaces.
After receiving a ground taxi clearance you are never authorized
to taxi onto any active runway or to takeoff without a clearance from
tower.
If you screw that stuff up .... if you don't get killed first you'll
get your license jerked second.
The whole ATC stuff in F4 is very simplified and not very accurate
but it really doesn't have to be. What is there adds quite a bit to
the immersion and it's working a lot better in F4AF. I suspect there
may be some further improvements as this thing evolves.
quote:
>"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
>news:snhCe.1968000$6l.1731608@pd7tw2no...
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>Sorry actually this is my mistake in not reading the manual! Terrible I know
>but thats what you get when you have a PDF thing instead of a 'real one'.
>Anyway I heard the controller say Taxi to runway and hold short which I did.
>Then I asked for take off and the controller said 'runway position and hold'
>which I assumed was another way of saying hold short. But it was actually
>telling me to get onto the runway and stop. So it was my fault all along
>that I wasnt taking off correctly. Seems this isnt a bug after all. The
>flying blocks in the sky when you shoot planes are definitely a bug though
>unless the Borg have suddenly invaded 2005 earth and I never noticed!
>
>I also got a bloody CTD last night as well when I was trying in vain to find
>out what CFD button I pressed to mess up my instruments and the game
>obviously didnt like me messing around with the cockpit and the game CTDd.
>This isnt a good sign as the whole sales pitch for this game is that it is
>rock solid stable - which it obviously isnt. And neither has it been
>particularly well tested either. Still it is nice to be playing F4 again
>despite the quibbles.
>
>And also very nice to get the game in a box with a manual etc! Shame there
>isnt a keycard but you can just use the FF3 one which is very similar.
>
>My final comment is that if anyone wants the game you cant beat Simware for
>ordering. I ordered online from the UK and received the order from Brussels
>in two days! Mind you the box was crushed and the case was smashed up but
>hey you cant expect everything!
>
>Nats
>
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