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>WTF is up with this stupid Star Force activation of Flaming Cliffs? It says
>to enter my serial number. Where the hell is the serial number? I tried the
>reference code provided when I purchased it online. I emailed the guys at
>www.lockon.ru to no avail. Is this a scam or what? Nice to blow $35 for
>nothing, what a crock!
>

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> Email Starforce and they will provide you with a new working code -
> hopefully.

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>Looking around some forums I see he's solved this. The details you need
>for the StarForce activation are all on the http://www.lockon.ru/ forum
>when you log in to the account you create. It can be a little tricky to
>find stuff in ED's website layout though.
>
>Andrew McP

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> WTF is up with this stupid Star Force activation of Flaming Cliffs? It

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> to enter my serial number. Where the hell is the serial number? I tried

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> reference code provided when I purchased it online. I emailed the guys at
> www.lockon.ru to no avail. Is this a scam or what? Nice to blow $35 for
> nothing, what a crock!

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> Microsoft has 24/7 toll free telephone support

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> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:pfqdndfpMbObrQzfRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> says
> the
>
> Go to their page, login, then go to FILES, then DOWNLOADS and under the
> LOCK
> ON 1.1: Flaming Cliffs product you will see your product's serial number..
>
>

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>
> "Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:memo.20050523084857.588A@address_disguised.address_disguised...
>
> Hey Andrew.
>
> My apologies for my pissy post. I am much better now, just tired of all
> this copy protection that in the end affects the honest end user and not
> the people they are trying to prevent from copying.
>
> I do agree that ED's website isn't real clear. They should add that to
> their FAQ and I will ask if they can do so.
>
>
>

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> How do you rate the Su25 FM? Worth the price and pain of admission?
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:d-qdnVd72LW00A_fRVn-hg@comcast.com...
>
>

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> In article <hjv291tk55e18hslanser2id3a4rdj77pp@4ax.com>,
> fisher@no_email.here (Fisher) wrote:
>
>
> Looking around some forums I see he's solved this. The details you need
> for the StarForce activation are all on the http://www.lockon.ru/ forum
> when you log in to the account you create. It can be a little tricky to
> find stuff in ED's website layout though.
>
> Andrew McP
>

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>In article <k373919kc2a064aead18u5vrdab3u6gr3n@4ax.com>,
>fisher@no_email.here (Fisher) wrote:
>
>
>Heh, not *strictly* a fair comparison :-) I think Microsoft have a
>little more money in the bank than most game developers... especially
>Eagle Dynamics. ED struggle to survive IMO, and it shows in their
>various attempts to optimise their revenue stream.
>
>The bottom line is I loathe copy protection of any kind, and fervently
>believe pirates, no matter how numerous, are insignificant... they're
>not people who would ever have bought a title they copy*.
>
>However if it's a choice between StarForce or nothing, then I grudgingly
>accept StarForce.

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>I agree. I mean how many copies do you think they'll sell? A few thousand?
>That's probably what drove the price up to $35 as $10 is probably for
>StarForce. Also, when I activated it said I had four more activations. Let's
>just hope that I don't lose my registry that I backed up. And what else is
>that number tied to. I hope not my hardware because I upgrade frequently and
>don't want to have to worry about shelling out another $35 or even worse yet
>not even be able to play it in the future because ED goes under and I can't
>get a new activation code.
>
>If I had known all this I would have ordered it on CD if it is even
>available on CD. I'd rather have to insert my CD for protection than to have
>to worry about whether or not my registry code is backed up.
>
>Not only that, couldn't I just take my registry key backup and give it to
>anyone else?
>
>Sorry, I never used to worry too much about copy protection, as I am an
>honest consumer and protection was usually relegatged to requiring entering
>a CD key at installation and keeping the CD in the drive, no big deal. But
>this one just hits a nerve.

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>Heh, not *strictly* a fair comparison :-) I think Microsoft have a
>little more money in the bank than most game developers... especially
>Eagle Dynamics. ED struggle to survive IMO, and it shows in their
>various attempts to optimise their revenue stream.

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>However if it's a choice between StarForce or nothing, then I grudgingly
>accept StarForce.

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> On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:28:27 +0100, Andrew MacPherson
> <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Then they shouldn't be wasting their money on shit like Starforce. I
> mean, let's get with the facts here, the only people interested in FC
> are people that already own LOMAC and I doubt they are your average
> everyday pirate type. Putting Starforce in FC was stupid overkill.
>

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>
>
> I have too. But I still hate the MOFO's.
>
>

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> Thanks for your answer. I have found this with the help of people at SimHQ
> forums as well. I was in a pissy mood, but lockon.ru isn't very clear

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> to get it. You essentially get three numbers: a transaction number,

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>
> Thanks, here's the text:
>
> Here's something important that was pointed out to us by StarForce and
> which I have seen first hand with Flaming Cliffs. Some of the issues here
> are not StarForce's issues, but rather a result of the options and
> flexibility I mentioned earlier that the publishers/developers have when
> they implement StarForce. The best example I know of is the "5 activations
> and you're out" limit imposed on the early buyers of Flaming Cliffs.
> Simply, if you bought FC from Eagle Dynamics via the Internet download
> (which I did), you were limited to 5 activations of the StarForce key,
> which could be triggered by any combination of the typical "software won't
> run-delete and reinstall", or PC problems we all experience from time to
> time. Another big one is if you made a significant change to your hardware
> configuration, StarForce doesn't like that. Well, the point is that the 5
> activation limit was not done by StarForce, it was done by ED. And they
> heard about it, believe me. It is now corrected, with a small mod you can
> download going backwards, and the downloadable and CD versions of the sim
> don't have the same small limitation. Good on ED.
>
>
>
> "GOOD ON ED?" WTF? Shame on ED for implementing it in the first place.

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>
> "HockeyTownUSA" wrote
>
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hardware[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
>
> LMAO, only at SimHQ

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>
>

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> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:X6udnbRpiaZJ0A_fRVn-sw@comcast.com...
>
> where
>
> Yeah, I'm with you.. I was also caught unprepared when I saw the "enter
> product serial number"? WTF? So, mildly panicking, I went to their site
> and
> fortunately stumbled upon it quickly enough to avoid nervous breakdown and
> following rampage
>
> Interesting thing to note, I had problems with my brand new Pioneer
> DVD-RW.
> It wouldn't burn DVDs on 8x speeds. After three wasted DVDs, I still
> couldn't figure out what caused the problem. Then I read on SimHQ E3
> coverage when the article regarded StarForce that some people have similar
> problems due to StarForce. So, I installed the burning software to WinME
> OS
> (fortunatelly, I have dual boot) and the recorder works flawlessly there..
> I'll try uninstalling the StarForce driver and try to record again but I
> think that's it..
>
>

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> On Mon, 23 May 2005 22:17:19 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
> <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I, for one, refuse to buy FC because I think it is way overpriced for
> what it offers. The games I have been willing to buy that contain
> Starforce are SHIII and Splinter Cell:CT. Niether have activation
> limitations. But as I posted earlier I'm wondering if Starforce caused
> my XP activation to tigger because Starforce does do a hardware check.
>
> As for your 5 activations issue with FC, I read at SimHQ in their
> Friday update about E3 that ED have a file you can download that gets
> rid of the 5 activation limitations now. Read the last two pages in
> the below url where they discuss Starforce for further info.
>
> http://www.simhq.com/_technology/technology_053a.html

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> Lol, no kidding. What a place that has become.

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>
>
>Then they shouldn't be wasting their money on shit like Starforce. I
>mean, let's get with the facts here, the only people interested in FC
>are people that already own LOMAC and I doubt they are your average
>everyday pirate type. Putting Starforce in FC was stupid overkill.
>
>
>
>I have too. But I still hate the MOFO's.
>

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>Then you havent had the pleasure of having many many people on the old Flanker
>Listserv defend pirating software as I have. Eastern Europeans seem to feel like
>it is some god given right.
>
>
>PAPADOC

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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:12:28 -0500, "JP" <jp@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yea, SimHQ are a bunch of shills. Plus they ban people left, right and
> center for the slightest infraction. They threatened to ban me for
> using what they considered an obscene word, the word being "bollocks".
> Here's the dictionary definition of blollocks and its origin, it's
> not an obscene word.
>
> bollix also bollox (bòl´îks) verb, transitive
> bollixed also bolloxed bollixing bolloxing bollixes bolloxes
> Informal.
> To throw into confusion; botch or bungle: managed to bollix up the
> whole project.
> [Alteration of ballocks, testicles, from Middle English balloks, from
> Old English beallucas.]
>
> I told them to take the broomsticks out of their arse's and go ahead
> and ban me. Here's something obscene for them. XXXX you you XXXXing
> cunt mods over at SimHQ. You are anal retentive dorks that don't have
> a clue about what the word "bollocks" means. You dumb XXXXers!
>
> Ahhhh, that feels soooo much better.

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>
>

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> Hehe. What I find interesting, is how the mods always throw in a last
>dig or two themselves, and then close a thread. Yeah, that's profo <rolls
>eyes>

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> On Wed, 25 May 2005 01:20:25 -0500, PAPADOC <PAPADOC@jimbobs.drive.by>
> wrote:
>
>
> The FC they were selling for distribution online was for the N.A.
> market. Yea, Starforce is a Russian company, Starforce is to stop
> eastern block pirates, so keep their shit eastern block anti-pirate
> software in their eastern block countries. We don't need their crap
> screwing with our PC's in the west to stop eastern block pirates.

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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 18:12:28 -0500, "JP" <jp@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yea, SimHQ are a bunch of shills. Plus they ban people left, right and
> center for the slightest infraction. They threatened to ban me for
> using what they considered an obscene word, the word being "bollocks".
> Here's the dictionary definition of blollocks and its origin, it's
> not an obscene word.
>
> bollix also bollox (bòl´îks) verb, transitive
> bollixed also bolloxed bollixing bolloxing bollixes bolloxes
> Informal.
> To throw into confusion; botch or bungle: managed to bollix up the
> whole project.
> [Alteration of ballocks, testicles, from Middle English balloks, from
> Old English beallucas.]
>
> I told them to take the broomsticks out of their arse's and go ahead
> and ban me. Here's something obscene for them. XXXX you you XXXXing
> cunt mods over at SimHQ. You are anal retentive dorks that don't have
> a clue about what the word "bollocks" means. You dumb XXXXers!
>
> Ahhhh, that feels soooo much better.
>
>

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> FWIW, I've had some pretty severe problems with my PC in the past several
> weeks. It's a new Alienware system with a P4 3200MHz, 1G of RAM and a
> 6800GT. It was rock solid the first few months I had it, then all of a
> sudden I would get a hard system freeze in the middle of the most mundane
> of tasks (saving email attachments, copying files, browsing my file
> system, etc.). I tried just about everything I could think of to
> alleviate the problem - defragging numerous times, upgrading certain
> suspect apps (JetAudio and Mozilla among the top three), scanning for
> viruses and spyware - nothing. I got to the point that I basically
> uninstalled everything but the most critical of programs and defragged
> again. Let me put it this waym, the only flight sim I have left is IL2...
> :-) Anyway, I ran MemCheck86 last night and it was good. But while it
> was running I was surfing the Net on my other PC and sudenly thought to
> myself - Could it be StarForce? I quickly downloaded the removal tool,
> rebooted and Voila - have not had a single freezxe today (whereas before I
> was getting upwards of 5 a day).
>
> It hasn't been long enough for me to definitively say that it was
> StarForce that was causing instability in my system - but it's ceratinly
> looking that way. As such - GTR Racing and SHIII are officially banned
> from my PC.
>
> James
>

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>It hasn't been long enough for me to definitively say that it was StarForce
>that was causing instability in my system - but it's ceratinly looking that
>way. As such - GTR Racing and SHIII are officially banned from my PC.
>
>James
>
>"Fisher" <fisher@no_email.here> wrote in message
>news:k2i891tttq8f80tbke7hlckc1ppgo5j2gs@4ax.com...
>

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>FWIW, I've had some pretty severe problems with my PC in the past several
>weeks. It's a new Alienware system with a P4 3200MHz, 1G of RAM and a
>6800GT. It was rock solid the first few months I had it, then all of a
>sudden I would get a hard system freeze in the middle of the most mundane of
>tasks (saving email attachments, copying files, browsing my file system,
>etc.). I tried just about everything I could think of to alleviate the
>problem - defragging numerous times, upgrading certain suspect apps
>(JetAudio and Mozilla among the top three), scanning for viruses and
>spyware - nothing. I got to the point that I basically uninstalled
>everything but the most critical of programs and defragged again. Let me
>put it this waym, the only flight sim I have left is IL2... :-) Anyway, I
>ran MemCheck86 last night and it was good. But while it was running I was
>surfing the Net on my other PC and sudenly thought to myself - Could it be
>StarForce? I quickly downloaded the removal tool, rebooted and Voila - have
>not had a single freezxe today (whereas before I was getting upwards of 5 a
>day).
>
>It hasn't been long enough for me to definitively say that it was StarForce
>that was causing instability in my system - but it's ceratinly looking that
>way. As such - GTR Racing and SHIII are officially banned from my PC.
>
>James

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>On Thu, 26 May 2005 04:17:54 GMT, "James Calivar"
><amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>It's possible a Starforce issue but your case also sounds like the
>classic inadequate powersupply issue too.

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>Not to make you feel bad or anything but you are really missing out by not
>playing Silent Hunter III.

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>Siggi! You're back! :-)
>

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> On Thu, 26 May 2005 00:27:16 -0500, PAPADOC wrote:
>
>
> Agreed. Pity about the no Wolfpack thing though. It's a very *lonely*
> world out there - until the destroyers find you, that is <VBG>.
>
> Back OT, though. I know there are Starfarce removers that work on
> SHIII - are not any around for Flaming Cliffs?
>
> I don't mind paying for a game/sim - I *hate* having to have a
> precious [original] CD/DVD in the drive bay to play it, but I
> **absolutely loathe** the idea of some crappy software screwing up my
> system. It's pure vandalism.
>
> Adamski.

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>I doubt it - it's a professionally built PC, not just something I threw
>together. And the problems went away the second I got rid of StarForce -
>it's been three days now and I've not had a lockup yet. But I will make it
>a point to check my details and see how big a PS I have (don't recall at the
>moment).
>

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>
> I doubt it - it's a professionally built PC, not just something I threw
> together. And the problems went away the second I got rid of StarForce -
> it's been three days now and I've not had a lockup yet. But I will make
> it a point to check my details and see how big a PS I have (don't recall
> at the moment).
>

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> Who the heck do you think these so-called "professionals" are building
> these rigs? I bet a lot closer to minimum wage than you can imagine. I
> can build a better custom box for a better price any time. Alien is
> manufacturing some nice parts of its own though they are very very
> expensive.
>
> And they look purty, vbseg.
>
> Mitch
>

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> On Fri, 27 May 2005 01:01:07 GMT, "James Calivar"
> <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I've got two Starforce protected games and have never had a
> lockup and I have a Zalman PSU which is probably better kit than you
> get in your *professionally* built PC.

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>Huh? There's porn on the Internet???
>
>"Mitch_A" <naman@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:dkdle.21373$J12.8480@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>

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---

>
>Agreed. Pity about the no Wolfpack thing though. It's a very *lonely*
>world out there - until the destroyers find you, that is <VBG>.
>
>Back OT, though. I know there are Starfarce removers that work on
>SHIII - are not any around for Flaming Cliffs?
>
>I don't mind paying for a game/sim - I *hate* having to have a
>precious [original] CD/DVD in the drive bay to play it, but I
>**absolutely loathe** the idea of some crappy software screwing up my
>system. It's pure vandalism.
>
>Adamski.

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>He must be talking about naked Flankers.

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> Well, I've got two Starforce protected games and have never had a
> lockup and I have a Zalman PSU which is probably better kit than you
> get in your *professionally* built PC.
>

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> system, all these problems went away? Hmm.
>

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> But it makes no sence for a Power supply issue to resolve getting rid of
> the starforce.

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---

>
>
>Well ... I seem to remember a PINK Flanker that was worse than
>pornographic - it was *obscene* LOL.
>
>Wouldn't be anything to do with you, would it?? Har har!!
>
>Adamski.
>
>Back to going OT, though - have you found any decent *battleships* to
>sink yet? I've slunk into the most popular naval seaside resorts and
>found them utterly deserted. Are they ALL after the Bismarck??

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>Well, La Dee XXXXing Dah. Your proclamations don't amount to jack shit.
>All I'm saying (if you'd care to open your ears for a few minutes) is that
>pre-Starforce - no problems. Post Starforce - severe problems. After
>REMOVING Starforce - no problems. Oh yeah - it MUST be my power supply.
>

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>But it makes no sence for a Power supply issue to resolve getting rid of
>the starforce.
>
>Chuck

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>BTW, did I mention to anyone yet that once I REMOVED Starforce from my
>system, all these problems went away? Hmm.
>

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---

>
> Thanks, here's the text:
>
> Here's something important that was pointed out to us by StarForce and
> which I have seen first hand with Flaming Cliffs. Some of the issues here
> are not StarForce's issues, but rather a result of the options and
> flexibility I mentioned earlier that the publishers/developers have when
> they implement StarForce. The best example I know of is the "5 activations
> and you're out" limit imposed on the early buyers of Flaming Cliffs.
> Simply, if you bought FC from Eagle Dynamics via the Internet download
> (which I did), you were limited to 5 activations of the StarForce key,
> which could be triggered by any combination of the typical "software won't
> run-delete and reinstall", or PC problems we all experience from time to
> time. Another big one is if you made a significant change to your hardware
> configuration, StarForce doesn't like that. Well, the point is that the 5
> activation limit was not done by StarForce, it was done by ED. And they
> heard about it, believe me. It is now corrected, with a small mod you can
> download going backwards, and the downloadable and CD versions of the sim
> don't have the same small limitation. Good on ED.
>
>
>
> "GOOD ON ED?" WTF? Shame on ED for implementing it in the first place.

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>Wow, a better PSU - I bet that really makes your GeForce II look good,
>doesn't it?
>
>Tool.
>

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>Yep - which is basically what I said to begin with - bottom line is I'm
>happy again and playing IL2 without having to wrry about locking up.
>
>JAmes
>

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---

>I am currently burning a couple of iso's on my Plextor 712A dvd burner with
>no issues, knock on wood.

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> On Fri, 27 May 2005 19:26:55 -0500, "Don Burnette"
> <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, good to hear. I saw a guy post on SimHQ quite some time back that
> swore that Starforce stopped him from being able to burn ISO's with
> Nero. Maybe it's just with certain versions of Nero, maybe it's BS, I
> don't know.

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> On Fri, 27 May 2005 19:26:55 -0500, "Don Burnette"
> <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, good to hear. I saw a guy post on SimHQ quite some time back that
> swore that Starforce stopped him from being able to burn ISO's with
> Nero. Maybe it's just with certain versions of Nero, maybe it's BS, I
> don't know.

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> On Fri, 27 May 2005 04:54:30 GMT, "James Calivar"
> <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> Then contact Starforce and complain, then contact Ubisoft and complain
> some more and demand a refund on the Starforce protected games.
> Contact your local MP (or whatever you call them down in the states)
> and make them aware of what these game companies are doing to our
> PC's. If what you say is true then this shit is illegal. It is
> tantamount to putting a virus on out PC's. But in my experience I
> haven't had any problems yet with Starforce so why some people and not
> others? I haven't tried to burn an ISO file with Nero yet though and I
> hear Starforce stops that function. I do use Nero.

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>
> "Andrew MacPherson" <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:memo.20050523084857.588A@address_disguised.address_disguised...
>
> Hey Andrew.
>
> My apologies for my pissy post. I am much better now, just tired of all
> this copy protection that in the end affects the honest end user and not
> the people they are trying to prevent from copying.
>
> I do agree that ED's website isn't real clear. They should add that to
> their FAQ and I will ask if they can do so.
>
>
>

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> How do you rate the Su25 FM? Worth the price and pain of admission?
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:d-qdnVd72LW00A_fRVn-hg@comcast.com...
>
>

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---

> In article <hjv291tk55e18hslanser2id3a4rdj77pp@4ax.com>,
> fisher@no_email.here (Fisher) wrote:
>
>
> Looking around some forums I see he's solved this. The details you need
> for the StarForce activation are all on the http://www.lockon.ru/ forum
> when you log in to the account you create. It can be a little tricky to
> find stuff in ED's website layout though.
>
> Andrew McP
>

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---

>Looking around some forums I see he's solved this. The details you need
>for the StarForce activation are all on the http://www.lockon.ru/ forum
>when you log in to the account you create. It can be a little tricky to
>find stuff in ED's website layout though.
>
>Andrew McP

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---

> On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:28:27 +0100, Andrew MacPherson
> <andrew.mcp@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Then they shouldn't be wasting their money on shit like Starforce. I
> mean, let's get with the facts here, the only people interested in FC
> are people that already own LOMAC and I doubt they are your average
> everyday pirate type. Putting Starforce in FC was stupid overkill.
>

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---

>
>
> I have too. But I still hate the MOFO's.
>
>

quote:

---

>Heh, not *strictly* a fair comparison :-) I think Microsoft have a
>little more money in the bank than most game developers... especially
>Eagle Dynamics. ED struggle to survive IMO, and it shows in their
>various attempts to optimise their revenue stream.

quote:

---

>However if it's a choice between StarForce or nothing, then I grudgingly
>accept StarForce.

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---

>I agree. I mean how many copies do you think they'll sell? A few thousand?
>That's probably what drove the price up to $35 as $10 is probably for
>StarForce. Also, when I activated it said I had four more activations. Let's
>just hope that I don't lose my registry that I backed up. And what else is
>that number tied to. I hope not my hardware because I upgrade frequently and
>don't want to have to worry about shelling out another $35 or even worse yet
>not even be able to play it in the future because ED goes under and I can't
>get a new activation code.
>
>If I had known all this I would have ordered it on CD if it is even
>available on CD. I'd rather have to insert my CD for protection than to have
>to worry about whether or not my registry code is backed up.
>
>Not only that, couldn't I just take my registry key backup and give it to
>anyone else?
>
>Sorry, I never used to worry too much about copy protection, as I am an
>honest consumer and protection was usually relegatged to requiring entering
>a CD key at installation and keeping the CD in the drive, no big deal. But
>this one just hits a nerve.

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> Oh heck yeah!
>
> I'd put my machine up against an Alienware or any of those hot gamer
> systems offered today...
>

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>Chat back here if and when you finally have problems with it.
>

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> Who the heck do you think these so-called "professionals" are building
> these rigs? I bet a lot closer to minimum wage than you can imagine. I
> can build a better custom box for a better price any time. Alien is
> manufacturing some nice parts of its own though they are very very
> expensive.
>
> And they look purty, vbseg.
>
> Mitch
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>Huh? There's porn on the Internet???
>
>"Mitch_A" <naman@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:dkdle.21373$J12.8480@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
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>
>
>Then they shouldn't be wasting their money on shit like Starforce. I
>mean, let's get with the facts here, the only people interested in FC
>are people that already own LOMAC and I doubt they are your average
>everyday pirate type. Putting Starforce in FC was stupid overkill.
>
>
>
>I have too. But I still hate the MOFO's.
>

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> Well, I've got two Starforce protected games and have never had a
> lockup and I have a Zalman PSU which is probably better kit than you
> get in your *professionally* built PC.
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>He must be talking about naked Flankers.

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>
>Agreed. Pity about the no Wolfpack thing though. It's a very *lonely*
>world out there - until the destroyers find you, that is <VBG>.
>
>Back OT, though. I know there are Starfarce removers that work on
>SHIII - are not any around for Flaming Cliffs?
>
>I don't mind paying for a game/sim - I *hate* having to have a
>precious [original] CD/DVD in the drive bay to play it, but I
>**absolutely loathe** the idea of some crappy software screwing up my
>system. It's pure vandalism.
>
>Adamski.