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> Well, I spent several hours in a campaign, and the inital campaign
> missions are somewhat boring as you spend a lot of time just traversing
> the sea to your destination to patrol a certain area for 24 hours.
> However, as soon as you transfer your sub from one base to the next, the
> trip is nothing short of nail biting. Kill a torpedo boat with your flak
> gun, then get four destroyers on your XXX. Forget about sinking one, as
> the others will be bombarding you while you try to lock on a target. Funny
> thing is that one hit me as I was diving to avoid a collision, and it did
> minor damage to me but sank him!
>
> Starting the second set of missions from the new base in France gets hairy
> real quick. Even though those torpedo boats seem like easy targets for
> your flak gun, be warned that it will only garner attention of any
> surrounding gunships. I don't know why, but it seems that my torpedo
> targeting has been getting worse as I continue playing, the AI gets
> better, or I am getting impatient. Or just a combination of both.
>
> The AI seems great. The *WILL* hunt you down and if you're not careful,
> they can taret you and destroy you relatively quickly. Running in silent
> mode is important to do once an enemy has been spotted incoming. Problem
> is that treking along at 2-3 knots makes it difficult for any quick
> evasive maneuvers.
>
> You have to gain "Renown" as you continue your campaign to get more
> experienced sailors and to uprade parts of your U-Boat. I thought the crew
> management would be a pain, but to find out, it isn't all that bad. Just
> keep an eye on your guys and swap them out with a simple right click. Keep
> cycling them that way and they will remain more or less refreshed. Once in
> battle however, it is obvious that you should take advantace of most your
> guys. At times all sailors including commanders get stressed and you have
> to relieve them temporarily to get some rest. But this is not good if it
> happens in the middle of battle as you need as many resources as possible.
>
> There are a few bugs to speak of. For one, I get an occasional CTD. Not
> sure if it has to do with my drivers or the game. Sometimes when doing an
> external view to admire the beautiful graphics, the forward key gets stuck
> and you can't get out of it, so now every time you are in a view that uses
> the "up" key it will stick, so your view will constantly move forward. I
> notice this happens sometimes when holding the shift key modifier to
> increase camera movement speed. And finally, the save game seems ok,
> except it doesn't seem 100% reliable. I mean, I was surfaced when I saved,
> but when I reloaded later, my sub was under the water, and had dudes on
> the "deck" like some crazy Jacques Cousteau or 20,000 leagues under the
> sea. See this image:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~fighterpil...underwater4.jpg
>
> LOL!
>
> My campaign continues and has sucked probably a good 15 hours out of my
> life so far and don't see it ending any time soon. I highly recommend this
> game for any miliatry sim nut. Truly a work of art and hope they fix the
> few glitches.
>

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>Funny thing is that one
>hit me as I was diving to avoid a collision, and it did minor damage to me
>but sank him!

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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:35:16 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
> <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've seen a few people mention this. Definitely fix that before I will
> even consider buying it. Oh wait, it has Starforce so I won't buy it
> anyway.

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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:35:16 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
> <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've seen a few people mention this. Definitely fix that before I will
> even consider buying it. Oh wait, it has Starforce so I won't buy it
> anyway.

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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:35:16 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
> <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've seen a few people mention this. Definitely fix that before I will
> even consider buying it. Oh wait, it has Starforce so I won't buy it
> anyway.

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>On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:35:16 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
><magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I've seen a few people mention this. Definitely fix that before I will
>even consider buying it. Oh wait, it has Starforce so I won't buy it
>anyway.

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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:21:11 -0800, Connected
> <connected@somewhere.here> wrote:
>
>
> your lose

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>My campaign continues and has sucked probably a good 15 hours out of my life
>so far and don't see it ending any time soon. I highly recommend this game
>for any miliatry sim nut. Truly a work of art and hope they fix the few
>glitches.
>

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>
> Thanks Hockey, the box was waiting for me when I got back from Vay-K
> yesterday, look forward to loading it up today. I have the 1.1 patch
> ready to go in also..
>
> Icer

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>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:07:23 -0600, "Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>G. Patricks wrote:
>
>
>Ditto here, thanks for the feedback Hockey, I will definitely have to pick
>this title up.

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>On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:35:16 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
><magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I've seen a few people mention this. Definitely fix that before I will
>even consider buying it. Oh wait, it has Starforce so I won't buy it
>anyway.

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>As far as the ship running in to me, why couldn't it damage the ship's hull
>so that it took on water? That's perfectly possible. And while I don't 100%
>agree with their choice of copy protection, it seems to work fine
>nevertheless.
>

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>your lose

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>
>What is wrong with starforce? It's on Atari's GTR and doesn't seem to
>cause me any problems.
>
>Something I'm not aware of going on???
>
>Regards, Jeff.

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> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:14:41 +0100, Jeff
> <jeffh@blairvoyach-farm.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Do some research on Starforce. I'm not wasting my time explaining it
> to you ignorant fools.

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> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:44:09 GMT, "Mitch_A" <naman@nospam.pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> How is it my loss? My money stays in my pocket and Ubisoft gets none
> of it. It's their loss.

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>It's your loss because youre missing a wonderful bit of code over something
>so trivial to the average honest user and which has literally NO EFFECT on
>your PC experience other than pushing a button and putting in a CD.
>
>You should be much more worried about what Mr. Gates and Co. shoves down
>your throat in Windows than SF..
>
>Mitch

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>Wow, another legitimate question answered by a desire for bashing... says a
>lot for yourself.
>
>Time to plonk...

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>Obviously you know nothing about Starforce and have done zero research
>on it. I've spent a few hours researching Starshit so don't BS me that
>it's benign.

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>Well when you grow up (I am kindly saying that because I have no idea
>what your stats are), you may realize that all the information you
>give away just to live, such as info for grocery store shopping cards
>to get sale prices, mortgages, credit cards, car loans, physical
>details for job medical exams, and on and on are much more of a threat
>to your privacy than any super scrutinized piece of code for some
>dippy game will ever be.

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>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:08:04 -0600, "Don Burnette"
><d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>I change my handle frequently. See you soon.

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>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:41:15 -0500, EdS <EdS@EdS.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>No, their loss. Every person who is against Starforce that would have
>bought SHIII is a loss to Ubisoft.

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> Just like I won't buy HL2 because
>of Steam I won't buy SHIII because of Starforce. I bet you don't even
>know the grief Starforce has created for people with their SHIII
>disks.

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> Happy as a pig in mud so long as it works for you, ain't ya?

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>Ahhhh yes. Am I suppose to be mad and return my perfectly good working
>game because you don't like SF?

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>I can see why.
>

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> Well, I spent several hours in a campaign, and the inital campaign

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>"HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:yNydnRB7WaYmkNvfRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>missions
><snip>
>
>I've been playing it for a few days now, and have done two or three campaign
>missions. I agree. It's a fantastic game, and every difference to it's
>predecessor is a leap in the right direction. What totally blows me away
>though is the water effects, truly outstanding! It looks fantastic on a
>calm, glassy day, and when the weather turns back and the sea state worsens,
>the waves become choppy and capped with foam in the most realistic manner.
>The only thing I don't really like about it is, that I'm not very good at it
>yet!!

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> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:50:37 -0500, Drifter <nohandle@righthere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> You don't have a friggin' clue Skippy. I'll grow up when I am good
> and ready XXXXXXX.
>
> http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=t...92&m=8631081492

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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:12:00 -0500, EdS <EdS@EdS.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Selfish dick.
>
> http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=t...92&m=8631081492

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>While I agree you'd be missing out on a great game, I also understand the
>issue with Starforce. This is an example of how their fix for pirating hurts
>the honest end users and not the pirates. I can almot guarantee that an easy
>solution to pirating it will be floating around the public soon. I know it
>will fight casual piracy (i.e. a friend asks "copy that for me"), but in the
>end it may hurt them more. I hate to see them do that with a simulation game
>since they are so few and far between, and even good ones at that.
>
>On the other hand, buy the game from a store that will accept a return. Even
>point to the back of the box when you're buying it and note the "Notice:
>this game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict
>with some CD-RW, DVD-RW, and virtual drives." Then ask if you can return it
>if it has a problem. Most EBGames and GameStop stores will accept returns,
>and *then* file a complaint with UbiSoft. The thing that gets me, is it says
>specifically CD-RW and DVD-RW no mention if it affects standard plain
>readers.
>
>One thing that Ubi could do is at least publish a comprehensive list of what
>CD and DVD drives it *IS* compatible with.Whoever developed StarForce should
>already have that list assembled. I sent an email request for a
>comprehensive list of compatible CD and DVD drives and burners. We will see
>what comes of it.
>
>To this day, however, I have never had an issue with copy protection. Even
>Steam worked fine for me. Perhaps I am a lucky one when it comes to this.

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> Yea. some of us know how to stay out of the killfiles.

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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:13:04 +0100, "Simon Robbins"
> <simon@NOSPAMsjrobbins.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, the visuals are great! However, 15 m/s is hardly a storm, in my
> book. It's just 7 Beaufort. What's odd that I can't man my guns at
> even 8 m/s (4 Beaufort). My man are no wussies! (It would be nice if
> they're allowed to at least firing a starshell....)
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Remco
>

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>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:14:41 +0100, Jeff
><jeffh@blairvoyach-farm.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>Do some research on Starforce. I'm not wasting my time explaining it
>to you ignorant fools.

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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:01:30 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA"
> <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
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>
> It's already been cracked and pirated for a few days now. No, I don't
> have the pirated version. I just know because, unlike Skippy above, I
> stay on top of things. SHIII Starforce has caused problems for some
> people with just regular DVD drives and not just DVDRW drives. They
> never compiled a test of compatible drives. That would cost them
> money. We are the guinea pigs. At our cost.

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>You dont want part of your limited crew to float away do ya ;)

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>"Remco Moedt" <nope@notreally.com> wrote in message
>news:b78g41hjbm45n6p3ja15nlve8l4m7fi7p5@4ax.com...
>

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> "Connected" <connected@somewhere.here> wrote in message
> news:bote41tj4vnf8k9dpq5bgp87u4imi3608g@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> While I agree you'd be missing out on a great game, I also understand the
> issue with Starforce. This is an example of how their fix for pirating hurts
> the honest end users and not the pirates. I can almot guarantee that an easy
> solution to pirating it will be floating around the public soon. I know it
> will fight casual piracy (i.e. a friend asks "copy that for me"), but in the
> end it may hurt them more. I hate to see them do that with a simulation game
> since they are so few and far between, and even good ones at that.
>
> On the other hand, buy the game from a store that will accept a return. Even
> point to the back of the box when you're buying it and note the "Notice:
> this game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict
> with some CD-RW, DVD-RW, and virtual drives." Then ask if you can return it
> if it has a problem. Most EBGames and GameStop stores will accept returns,
> and *then* file a complaint with UbiSoft. The thing that gets me, is it says
> specifically CD-RW and DVD-RW no mention if it affects standard plain
> readers.
>
> One thing that Ubi could do is at least publish a comprehensive list of what
> CD and DVD drives it *IS* compatible with.Whoever developed StarForce should
> already have that list assembled. I sent an email request for a
> comprehensive list of compatible CD and DVD drives and burners. We will see
> what comes of it.
>
> To this day, however, I have never had an issue with copy protection. Even
> Steam worked fine for me. Perhaps I am a lucky one when it comes to this.
>
>
>
>
>

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>Hi
>
>here is a list of DVD drives which run SHIII and Starforce!
>
>http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/bo...;f=129;t=000241
>
>
>
>
>Michael

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>So because other people are having a problem, all of us that don't should
>return ours?
>
>I feel for those that can't get it to run and Ubi *DOES* owe an explanation
>and solution, but don't rag on those of us who have it working just fine.
>

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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:23:39 GMT, "Mitch_A" <naman@nospam.pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> At 4 Beaufort? I do sail the Northsee myself, with a 32 feet sailboat,
> and believe me, 4 Beaufort is nothing special. At 8 Beaufort things
> start to get hairy...
>
> I understand the chance that you're hitting something is kinda small
> with an heavy see, but nevertheless, they should man the gun.
>
> Cheers!

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>And look the fool doing it as well...

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>I did, sorry should have googled first. To be honest it looks like a
>storm in a pisspot.
>
>
>Regards, Jeff.

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>I did, sorry should have googled first. To be honest it looks like a
>storm in a pisspot.
>
>
>Regards, Jeff.

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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:39:48 +0100, Jeff
> <jeffh@blairvoyach-farm.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> p.s.
>
>

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> Posted by Patrick Cox (Member # 6) on March 17, 2005 08:03 PM:
>
> Loved the comment on the dev board by the lead saying he won't install
> his own game at home because of Star Force. If that's not a strong
> statement as ever I don't know what is... SF doesn't stop piracy
> (don't be fooled, all SF games are being duped and put out for use in
> useable distros), it only inhibits legit players/consumers.
>

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> I'll grow up when I am good
>and ready XXXXXXX.

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>Pacific. As was PROMISED on the box. *sob sob sob*

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>
>You don't offer much to gain a clue from. All I saw in your posts was
>anti-StarForce rants. I figured it was privacy issues. Other than
>that, even with your link, I don't see why you've got yourself all
>worked up over. Its a sim, a damn good sim by most accounts for only
>$40. Unless you just don't like sub-sims, I can't see why you
>wouldn't give it a whirl. The odds of it working are overwhelmingly in
>your favor that you will have no problem. But, as I said, you don't
>say much more than you dislike StarForce.

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>
>*cough*

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> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:48:43 -0500, Drifter <nohandle@righthere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I bet you read one of two of those posts and closed the page. There
> were 7 pages of complaints there. Go back and read all of them then
> get back to me when you actually know what you are talking about.
>
>
> Tosspot.

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>There goes ol' Connected - can't win an argument, so he resorts to name
>calling. Sad, really.

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>There goes ol' Connected - can't win an argument, so he resorts to name
>calling. Sad, really.

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>Heh, yeah. 7 whole pages of complaints. My God, 126 more pages like
>that and we might actually get to 1% of a 200,000 installed user base!
>Sell the house and run for the hills!
>
>Oh well, this time around must be mighy lonely at the
>whine-and-cheese party he's hosting. Can't say people didn't try to
>break out a bottle of sensibility to help out. Guess he just likes to
>be miserable. His business of course on that count.
>
>->done<-

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>I can see why.
>

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>Ahhhh yes. Am I suppose to be mad and return my perfectly good working
>game because you don't like SF?

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> Well, I spent several hours in a campaign, and the inital campaign