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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
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> A sad sad day for republicans everywhere.

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
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> A sad sad day for republicans everywhere.

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
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> A sad sad day for republicans everywhere.

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>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
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>A sad sad day for republicans everywhere.

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> hehe...Yup WMD's not found, we are giving back Iraq to Saddam.

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> On the other hand what about those Mets?

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> nospam@nospam.com wrote:
>
> Please don't. That could trigger a civil war there. Oh, wait...
>
>
> This one is a bit cryptic for us non-americans. I take it you are
> referring to the Doug Avery poem "A Black Marble Wall" ? Sadly

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> http://home.earthlink.net/~dougavery/poems.html#Black
>
> Regards,
> Mr. Sylvestre

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> hehe...Yup WMD's not found, we are giving back Iraq to Saddam.

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> On the other hand what about those Mets?

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>
> PAPADOC
>
>

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> Doubt it.
>
> The Mets are an Amercian sports team. It's a common expression denoting
> that you follow the team and are asking how they are doing in their
> competitions. It also denotes a certain comradery with the team. It would
> be the same as saying "Hey, how about those Maple Leafs!" to a Canadian
> hockey fan...
>

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> Jay Williams wrote:
denoting[vbcol=seagreen]
It would[vbcol=seagreen]
Canadian[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Oh, OK. I liked the poem idea because it seemed appropriate in some

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> but your explanation looks to be the right one. Oh well, I learned
> something new today

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> It's also been reported that military big-wigs are planning on

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> out an exit strategy as they're realizing it's an unwinable war.
> .
> Tara
> --
> War would end if the dead could return. - Stanley Baldwin

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>
> taragem72@yahoo.com wrote:
> working
>
> we were working on an exit stategy from day 1 of the war- is that
> unusual? Of course the war is winable- we just are unwilling to win it.
> My formula for winning is simple- kill all terrorists. All military
> convoys would pass without any US casualties if preceded by an M1 tank
> that blasted any vehicle so much as in the vicinity of a convoy. I
> don't care if that vehicle is filled with 15 children and 5 women (a
> few old ones on crutches).
> I have said this before and now again- if we will not win this war with
> the overwhelming power we have, then we should leave immediately and
> stop this drain of US blood in a foreign land of shit people.
> We can win- as in Viet Nam, our government will not let us.
> Let Bush lead a convoy, then Cheney, and so on down the line until we
> have a leader that understands how to fight a war. Is kill the enemy so
> hard a concept to understand? Who would say a war is pretty?

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>

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> we were working on an exit stategy from day 1 of the war- is that
> unusual? Of course the war is winable- we just are unwilling to win it.
> My formula for winning is simple- kill all terrorists. All military
> convoys would pass without any US casualties if preceded by an M1 tank
> that blasted any vehicle so much as in the vicinity of a convoy. I
> don't care if that vehicle is filled with 15 children and 5 women (a
> few old ones on crutches).

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
>
> A sad sad day for republicans everywhere.

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> hehe...Yup WMD's not found, we are giving back Iraq to Saddam.
>
> On the other hand what about those Mets?
>
> PAPADOC
>
>

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>
> taragem72@yahoo.com wrote:
> working
>
> we were working on an exit stategy from day 1 of the war- is that
> unusual? Of course the war is winable- we just are unwilling to win it.
> My formula for winning is simple- kill all terrorists. All military
> convoys would pass without any US casualties if preceded by an M1 tank
> that blasted any vehicle so much as in the vicinity of a convoy. I
> don't care if that vehicle is filled with 15 children and 5 women (a
> few old ones on crutches).
> I have said this before and now again- if we will not win this war with
> the overwhelming power we have, then we should leave immediately and
> stop this drain of US blood in a foreign land of shit people.
> We can win- as in Viet Nam, our government will not let us.
> Let Bush lead a convoy, then Cheney, and so on down the line until we
> have a leader that understands how to fight a war. Is kill the enemy so
> hard a concept to understand? Who would say a war is pretty?

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> As a Jew I am deeply offended by your reference to Himmler. As an
> American , a former soldier with an honrable discharge, from a country
> with the mightiest miliatary that EVER existed, I am deeply embarrased
> at a daily flow of American blood from poorly equiped, rag tag
> terrorists with small arms killing us at will while we are impotent to
> fight them. While they attack us with great cunning without regard for
> any civilized rules we continue to be killed while being the "good
> guys"- it reminds me of the British during our revolutionary war. We
> hit them and ran from deep cover while they stood in line with red
> uniforms. We seem to have forgotten how to fight and win a war. We can
> not infiltrate, we can not ambush, we can not destroy suspected
> concentrations of enemy without suffering from protests. We cower in
> fear that our enemy will not like us if we kill them.
> We remain the good guys while our enemies hate us in larger and larger
> numbers and devise ever clever methods of killing us.
> If we want to be the good guys then we should all stick our head in the
> sand while our enemies saw them off with long knives.
> If we stopped being saints then maybe we can save our lives and country
> by fighting for our lives and liberty- do you think?
>

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> "buster" <buster@jupiter.net> wrote in message
> news:uBiFd.11130$tF.9346@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> You can't prove someone wrong by lack of something turning up yet,
> dumbass. Just because the official search is off doesn't mean that they
> weren't there in the first place, just not discovered.
>
> In any case, it's largely irrelvant at this point. Iraq has been freed
> from the chains of a dictator, and even though there is still a
> significant amount of residual leftover from that regime, in the long run
> the Iraqis will enjoy their freedom.

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>
> James
>

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> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:00qbu0l8cbcd91uel0q5dnvfeub0vgkarl@4ax.com...
>
> What is sad is the fact that none of these posters has uttered a XXXXing
> peep on this newsgroup in months

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> handed to them in the election.

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> vindication for their stance, they come out of the woodwork.

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>
> Welcome back, fools.

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>
>

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>It's also been reported that military big-wigs are planning on working
>out an exit strategy as they're realizing it's an unwinable war.
>.
>Tara
>--
>War would end if the dead could return. - Stanley Baldwin

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>
> "James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:TUFFd.5972$KJ2.4206@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> Your "long run" is likely to be twenty years of civil war. I wouldn't
> call that freedom. May or may not be better than Saddam.
>
> Stocky is in part right in that we aren't committed enough What he fails
> to realize is that it's not the tactics, its the number of troops we
> failed to commit to get the job done.. If we didn't have 250.000 troops
> to commit we should have asked congress to add divisions to the army
> before invading Iraq.>

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> http://tinyurl.com/7ots
>

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> "Leadfoot" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:JZGFd.4076$nt.992@fed1read06...
>
> I agree with you there - why for example a full assault on Fallujah wasn't
> made the day after the 4 contracters were killed and hung out in the open
> is XXXXing beyond me. To ask the current soldiers who have been busting
> XXX for almost 2 years to extend their duty is an insult and an outrage.
>
> That said, this is all beside the point. The WMDs were (in my opinion)
> there from Day 1. They were most likely moved to Syria or Jordan or Iran.
> XXXX - Saddam had months to hide them. And given his sneaky background in
> other venues, it's no surprise to me that he was able to cover them up.
>
>
> No thanks. I don't do TinyURL. But let me guess - NY Times? The UK
> Register? Even better, maybe The Guardian?

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>

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>
> "James Calivar" <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:kBHFd.6459$C52.6441@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
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>
>

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>Out of all the people on this news group, I expected this out of you the
>least. So touche for putting up an interesting link.
>
>That said, what do you propose we do at this point? It would appear as if
>the current impetus is towards holding the official elections at the end of
>this month, and then getting the hell out of Dodge.
>

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> As a Jew I am deeply offended by your reference to Himmler.

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> As an
> American , a former soldier with an honrable discharge, from a

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> with the mightiest miliatary that EVER existed, I am deeply

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> at a daily flow of American blood from poorly equiped, rag tag
> terrorists with small arms killing us at will while we are impotent

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> fight them.

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> While they attack us with great cunning without regard for
> any civilized rules we continue to be killed while being the "good
> guys"-

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> it reminds me of the British during our revolutionary war. We
> hit them and ran from deep cover while they stood in line with red
> uniforms.

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> We seem to have forgotten how to fight and win a war.

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> We can not infiltrate, we can not ambush, we can not destroy

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> concentrations of enemy without suffering from protests.

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> We cower in fear that our enemy will not like us if we kill them.

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> We remain the good guys while our enemies hate us in larger and

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> numbers and devise ever clever methods of killing us.

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> If we want to be the good guys then we should all stick our head in

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> sand while our enemies saw them off with long knives.

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> If we stopped being saints then maybe we can save our lives and

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> by fighting for our lives and liberty- do you think?

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> Unwinnable? Wow you mean that a band of rag tag misfits blowing

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> can defeat the most powerful nation in the world? hehe...

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> What were the Soviets thinking when they amassed all those

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> needed were a few rag tag platoons of suicide bombers and they could

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> the cold war. Wow...

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> The only way we lose is if we forget why we are fighting in the first

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> If we give up we lose...if we keep fighting they lose.

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> We have kept the terrorists completely offbalance since 9/11.

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> Or are you thinking that they didnt want to bomb all the major events

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> Republican Convention nothing not one damn thing happened,
> Democratic convention nothing not one damn thing

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> (understandable in one sense since many of the Democrats are on

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> Super Bowls, World Series, New Years in Times square and none of

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> saw even a XXXXing loser with a bomb belt on.

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> They are fighting for all they are worth for the most important

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> beat them there and its all downhill from there since we would roll

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> Iran pretty darn quickly after that.

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>- do you think?

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>"buster" <buster@jupiter.net> wrote in message
>news:uBiFd.11130$tF.9346@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
>You can't prove someone wrong by lack of something turning up yet, dumbass.
>Just because the official search is off doesn't mean that they weren't there
>in the first place, just not discovered.

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>
>In any case, it's largely irrelvant at this point. Iraq has been freed from
>the chains of a dictator, and even though there is still a significant
>amount of residual leftover from that regime, in the long run the Iraqis
>will enjoy their freedom.

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>
>James
>

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>That said, this is all beside the point. The WMDs were (in my opinion)
>there from Day 1.

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><nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:00qbu0l8cbcd91uel0q5dnvfeub0vgkarl@4ax.com...
>
>What is sad is the fact that none of these posters has uttered a XXXXing
>peep on this newsgroup in months - not since they had their respective asses
>handed to them in the election. Now that they perceive some sort of tiny
>vindication for their stance, they come out of the woodwork.
>
>Welcome back, fools.

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>

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4169107.stm
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> A sad sad day for republicans everywhere.

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>On or about 1/26/2005 4:17:27 AM, AM <SCTUSER@comcast.net> said:

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I despise many European 'leaders' myself but 'vile scum' is perhaps a
little harsher than I would use! However, devious and far too 'clever'
for British politicians many of them are. Our leaders have been totally
outmanoeuvred by the EU leaders but some have collaborated with their
machinations as well.

I dislike generalisations about whole populations but I personally do
not support our present Leaders in the 'New' Labour Party but sadly many
of my countryman still do. I hate the European Union but not Europeans
and Europe in general.

I am glad to hear that you don't feel quite so badly about England
(being English myself ) but do you include the Scots, Welsh and Northern
Irish in that or not?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>That's OK -- "proper" Englishmen don't consider themselves European,
>either.
>

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>On or about 1/26/2005 4:17:27 AM, AM <SCTUSER@comcast.net> said:

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>

I despise many European 'leaders' myself but 'vile scum' is perhaps a
little harsher than I would use! However, devious and far too 'clever'
for British politicians many of them are. Our leaders have been totally
outmanoeuvred by the EU leaders but some have collaborated with their
machinations as well.

I dislike generalisations about whole populations but I personally do
not support our present Leaders in the 'New' Labour Party but sadly many
of my countryman still do. I hate the European Union but not Europeans
and Europe in general.

I am glad to hear that you don't feel quite so badly about England
(being English myself ) but do you include the Scots, Welsh and Northern
Irish in that or not?[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>That's OK -- "proper" Englishmen don't consider themselves European,
>either.
>