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> Chuck wrote:
>
>
> From a cursory reading of the resolutions they appear to refer to the
> weapons inspections and WMD, with the harshest statement being: "13.
> Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq
> that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued
> violations of its obligations"
>
> I didn't see an authorization to go to war.
>

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> Tara
> --
> America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room. Every time it
> wags its tail, it knocks over a chair. - Arnold Toynbee
>

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> My view of a lot of the Europeans has plummeted as well. It's obvious that
> they simply do not care about the Iraqis or the rebuilding of their country.

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>
> Why doesn't Operation Truth tell us what will happen if we simply pull out?

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> Does Operation Truth think that Iraq is better off as a religious state that
> denies people the right to freedom of thought and expression? Does
> Operation Truth feel that a democracy that makes the citizens of it's
> country responsible for the govt's actions is not right for Iraqis? Does
> Operation Truth think that when an Islamic Extremist Iraq is giving safe
> haven to Al Qaeda and it's ilk we should let them do what they want?

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> The bottom line is that Operation Truth doesn't really know sh*t.

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> One sincere question here to all you Vietnam Analogy folks:
>
> Was Vietnam, or SE Asia for that matter, better off after the US
> withdrawl? If so why were there more casualties, and whats with all the
> boat-people?

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> I have no interest in helping Iraq, rebuilding, giving them democracy,
> money, food, and most of all U.S. blood. Did I say that clear enough
> to understand?

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> My original idea was to drop a nuke and turn that place into a large
> black parking lot. That not being implemented, I would really carpet
> bomb terrorist cities. That being objectionable, I would surround
> those cities and bombard with arty, tanks and aircraft until those
> places were flattened into rubble.

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> It's a plan- anyone have a better one? Anyone? Bush? Kerry?

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>
> dumbass, iraqis do have the right to bear arms.

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> Tara wrote:
>
>
> Again, please show your evidence to back up that they are mulitplying by
> 20-1.
> Wow, if that were the case, they would already have taken this country over.
> Before you know it, they will have an army of millions.
>
> Ok, a city, state harbors and supports known terrorists. I am in such city,
> and war had been declared and I know they are coming to kill these
> terrorists.
> I totally disagree with what the terrorists are doing. I do one of 2 things,
> take up arms against the terrorists as well, fighting for what I believe my
> country can be, or get the hell out of there.
> I would NOT want to live in a area that supports such attrocities. Those
> that do believe in them, civilian or not, can stay and get blown straight to
> hell. Those that don't get out of the path, then they know the risk they are
> taking.
>
> I still say, a few well placed tactical nukes will take care of a lot of
> this. Send as many as we can straight to hell in one fell swoop - they sure
> seem to love the thought of killing us in numbers.
>
> DO you folks not remember the day of 911? The scenes of so many of our
> brothers and sisters dying? The cheering of our enemies during this? This
> was done by American hating muslems, terrorist, those that believe we are
> the great Satan, and believe they are instructed to kill us, innocent men,
> women , children, in any way they can - not head on of course, hidden, and
> attacking like the cowards they are.
>
> This great country of ours was founded under God, for freedom, and rights.
> Rights from tyranny, rights to choose how to worship, rights to not be taxed
> by another country. Hundreds of thousands of people have died in war for
> this very principal, so we can have what we do today. The terrorists, those
> that hate our very existence, and sole passion in life is to find ways to
> kill us, would seek to destroy all that our ancestors sacrificed for.
> Fine - they want war? They want to kill us helter skelter? Then we return
> in kind, and take it to their doorsteps. NO ONE COUNTRY, NO ONE GROUP OR
> FACTION, comes over here, on our own soil, and kills thousands of innocents.
> We will search them out, kill them, and continue to do as long as terrorists
> exist. Screw em, and blow them all to hell.

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>taragem72@yahoo.com (Tara) wrote in
>news:61f7c3a1.0409271850.165594f3@posting.google.com:
>
>
>Maybe you should give more than a cursory read and with an open mind.
>
>Read 1441, you're just embarrassing yourself. Catch the part
>about :
>
>Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use
>all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of
>2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660
>(1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,
>
>end quote.
>
>Here we go...real slow..
>
>Authorized Member States (so far the US, UK, Aussies, etc are still
>member states) all NECESSARY MEANS to UPHOLD AND IMPLEMENT.
>
>Even IF he did destroy them, the burden is on him, UNDER UN RESOLUTIONS,
>to provide proof. He did not. Therefore, the war is completely
>justified.

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>Yes , we will kill them, and yes, their numbers are growing smaller.

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>I think we have learned from our complacency, and the ignorant turning of
>the head and complacency by the previous admistration for 8 years.

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>
>Now, we take the fight to them, wherever they happen to be.
>
>Perhaps you " should widen your scope". The US has widened theirs, by taking
>the war to them, and going after them and the countries/states that support
>them.

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>And it's about time.

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>
>Hell Yeah!!!!!!

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>bp wrote:
>
>You don't read or keep up with events?
>Look it up yourself. I said I do believe that we have,, you made the blanket
>statement that OSBL has more reruits now than ever.
>Feel free to show us all your numbers.

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>bp wrote:
>
>
>So you don't advocate carpet bombing a city /state/country we are at WAR
>with?

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> "Don Burnette" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

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>
> I hear the news, read the comments, listen to people who think my
> ideas are objectionable. I have known what needs to be done from 9-11
> on and now I see there are at least 2 of us that understand.
> BLOW THEM ALL TO HELL is the solution.

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> No, we have no idea how many Vietnamese died after the US withdrew in 1972
> since the entire country fell to a totalitarian regime which controls such
> information. But clearly conditions did not improve there nor did it

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> in peace. The large numbers of Vietnamese who have since fled

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> that as do the dismal economic numbers.
>
> Jarg

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> Which part of:
>
> "Was Vietnam, or SE Asia for that matter, better off after the US
> withdrawl? "
>
> Did you not understand?

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> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:56:09 -0500, "Don Burnette"
> <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Go ahead show me the numbers.
>
>
>
> You're right ! Those silly Dem's didn't attack countries that did
> nothing to us THOSE IGNORANT BASTARDS!!
>
> Hmmm I'm wondering who is really ignorant here.
taking[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
> Even if they have nothing to do with terrorist. Amazing!

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> Bush could've, after "official combat operations" ended, called on the
> UN to start landing planes full of humanitarian supplies, but he
> stubbornly refused. And the war was not authorized by the UN and
> therefore illegal.
>
>

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> And who was responsible for the deaths during the war?

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> Remind me again who was attacking whom?

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> I was under the impression that it was the North Vietnamese who
> couldnt bear the thought of a Free South Vietnam.

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> Actually you are correct my figures should also include the number of dead

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> died during the aggression of the North.

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>We have plenty of criticism of Bush and the war effort. What we need are
>solutions and ideas. There are plenty of Iraqis that want a democratic govt
>and a rebuilt country. The rest of the world has no place to talk if they
>don't help the US help Iraq to achieve this. It doesn't matter whether the
>war was illegal or not, that is irrelevant now.

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>No, bp would advocate just letting them be, as they are obviously a peaceful
>people and are just minding their own business. bp is the epitome of the
>leftists pussy, who cries foul whenever the Big Bad Old USA dares to take
>another country to task, yet whines whenever his gas prices go up because the
>USA hasn't broken OPEC yet.

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>

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>My guess: bp would have picketed against the carpet bombing of Berlin, Hamburg
>and Dresden, but then applauded when those acts ultimately led to the end of
>Nazi Germany.

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>
>BTW, bp: "carpet bombing" is NOT the term to use when the US surgically places

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>500 and 2000 lb bombs on known enemy positions, which are INTENTIONALLY placed
>within meters of mosques and civilian residences, and unfortunately end up in
>collateral deaths. In the case of Fallujah, the civvies there have been urged
>to evacuate for months, and yet you still see them dying by the dozens. My
>guess: they stayed despite the warnings, or else they are being held prisoner.
>In any case: carpet bombing *my XXX*.
>

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>
>As objectionable as what Stocky says is.... It is important to not forget
>that if terrorism is not dealt with and brought under control, then his
>point of view could ultimately be the fate of Middle Easterners.

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> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:51:33 GMT, "FLY135" <fly_135(@ hot not
> not)notmail.com> wrote:
>
govt[vbcol=seagreen]
they[vbcol=seagreen]
the[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> BINGO
> The problem now is that Bush can't get help because he snubbed them
> and now they are teaching him a lesson.

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> I'll bet you money that lf Kerry is elected they will come around.
> They just are not going to deal with a cowboy that shoots first, never
> thinks things through and tells them their views don't matter.

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> Maybe you should give more than a cursory read and with an open mind.

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> Here we go...real slow..

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>
> I think what we're all missing is that war is highly profitable, it's
> fermented under the guise of "patriotism" and the
> corporation/government connections. The media is manipulated
> (basically, it's in bed with the White House) and, among other things,
> the government encourages polarization, plainly seen by the liberal v.
> conservative factions.
>

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> What's really going on is kept from the public.

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> I'll bet you money that lf Kerry is elected they will come around.
> They just are not going to deal with a cowboy that shoots first, never
> thinks things through and tells them their views don't matter.

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> Chuck wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks for the insults.

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> "Chuck" wrote...
>
>
> Chuck, reread the thread...... I didnt introduce SE asia, I was talking
> Vietnam !!
>
>

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> "Stocky" <Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13038765.0409272100.5cef962@posting.google.com...
>
> The previous post wasn't in response to you, so I have no idea why you feel
> the need to insinuate that you are repeating something because I didn't get
> it the first time. In addition, I don't care what you are interested in
> except as a reminder that people adopting the extreme view is a possibility.

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>
> Which is why I wrote in another post that your views are somewhat
> objectionable. And I read that, and again, feel that it is the only way to win.

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> effective

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> then more and more people will resort to seeing things your way.

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> advocating that we see things your way sooner.

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> ultimate possibility if people don't start dealing with terrorism on the
> same page instead of attacking each other thereby giving inadvertent support
> to the terrorist philosophy.

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>
>
> I don't think your plan is any better. It's a last resort when all else
> fails.

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>BP, it's clear that the strategy of attacking Iraq escapes you.

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> It's one
>thing to disagree with that strategy but your refusal to acknowledge that
>there is one means that you are just stupid or more likely feigning
>stupidity to pretend there is no counterpoint to address.

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>
>Rather than simply attacking with sarcasm the approach with which you
>disagree, why not lay out your plan for eliminating terrorism?

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> "FLY135" <fly_135(@ hot not not)notmail.com> wrote in message

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> However, if dealing with terrorism doesn't become more
>
> And what way is "more effective"?

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> and terrorists are able to deal more damaging blows to US soil,
>
> Only a matter of time and they seem to have the luxury of nothing but
> time.

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>
> And I will say - What took so long and so many of our lives before
> what I say now sank in. So you see something changing to reverse what
> is happening?

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> That isn't
>
> All the more pity and shame for us.

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> It's a recognition of the
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>
> That doesn't seem to be an influence either way for terrorists.

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>
> Better than what? I haven't seen any other plan by anyone so far. What
> else has been tried? Iraq will never be a democracy- the Muslim
> clerics will not allow it. And the people are Muslims there.

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> the horizen- we will not be leaving Iraq in my lifetime

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> civil war would break out as each relig. sect battles for control. Any
> leaders will be assassinated. That is what they do over there. Nothing
> else has been tried and we are already at the last resort plan as we
> are daily reminded of terrorist murder.

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> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:30:17 GMT, "FLY135" <fly_135(@ hot not
> not)notmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh yes the old "Secret Strategy counter." It's so secret the President
> lied about it and sold us a bill of goods about Iraq being an eminent
> threat due to it's WMD.

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> Tell me FLY did the President tell you the real "secret strategy" for
> invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and letting OBL
> vacation in Pakistan?

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>
> Well it sure wouldn't be by inflaming the entire Muslim world.
>
> Put this in your pipe and smoke it. <snip a bunch of not do anything>

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> And if you want some good advice on combating terrorist ask Israel.
>
> They seem to have been able to stop it with force.....opps there
> that's sarcasms again.

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> "Stocky" <Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13038765.0409280641.3cd25d77@posting.google.com...
> news:<5fadncLQ370gVcXcRVn-tg@giganews.com>...
> OR
> innocents.
> terrorists
>
> Actually his post said... "We will search them out, kill them..."

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> It didn't say kill everyone in a city to country sized vicinity of
> terrorists. Which is pretty much what you advocate.

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> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:56:09 -0500, "Don Burnette"
> <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Go ahead show me the numbers.

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>
>
>
> You're right ! Those silly Dem's didn't attack countries that did
> nothing to us THOSE IGNORANT BASTARDS!!
>
> Hmmm I'm wondering who is really ignorant here.

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>
> Even if they have nothing to do with terrorist. Amazing!

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>
>
> It's never the right time to kill innocent people simply to fill a
> groups wish for revenge or political gain.

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>
>
> This isn't a football game.

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> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:59:01 -0500, "Don Burnette"
> <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Oh so you just believe they are smaller ? So what does the world look
> like with blinders on ?
>
> Obviously you don't keep up with events
>
> here type this into google and have a good read.
>
> "Iraq war helps osama"
>
> Have fun.

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> "FLY135" <fly_135(@ hot not not)notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<fmf6d.5520$Ki1.2388@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
>
> Actually, read his next line.
>
>
> I advocate killing all terrorists and allowing them no place to hide
> or safe haven. If civilians (and the term is blurred when it comes to
> them) mix with them they are also at risk. A cancer drug kills good
> tissue along with the cancer- not doing so risks death of the host and
> so there is no alternative.
> The hope is that the cancer dies before the host does.
> In this case non combatants are always given a chance to leave per our
> policies to keep civilian casualties to a min. They all know by now
> that we are shooting in their direction.

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>...
>
>I think the numbers are
>450.000 NV soldiers
>600.000 NV civillians
>200.000 SV soldiers
>50.000 US soldiers
>
>You figure out who killed who then !
>Make a note that there is no numbers on SV civillians
>
>
>I think it was the french who had a colony there once...... so my guess is
>you could say they started it !!
>After that, the US tried to keep the commies away from the now former french
>colony.... that was the way the world worked in those days...
>
>
>What if US had NOT taken over french interrests, and just let them alone ?
>You think as many lives would have been lost then ?
>Maybe then would have been much better off that they are today, because
>their coutry wasnt bombed back to the stoneage !!
>
>that
>
>Ofcause.... but I forgive you ;)
>
>
>

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I'll address everyone's skepticism here. First of all, I don't expect
everyone to believe what I wrote. That's to be expected as it's
exactly what they want. However, anyone who does a little digging can
probably verify most of what I said.

I have a dependable source for this info. I cannot go into any details
due to confidentiality, but I have a good friend who has a security
clearance -- most of what he's told me I can't repeat here.

Whether you believe the media to be liberal biased, or conservative
biased, is a moot point. The media is owned by six corporations and
they have a vested interest in not letting any news out that threatens
their power and control.
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> Why do you think they are NOT showing the good that is being done in Iraq
> and elsewhere? Ever watch CNN?

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> We were attacked, plain and simple - and that means, war.

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> If we are to
> preserve our rights and democracy, we have to go to war, and kill all of
> those raghead terrorists bastards that we can - and not let up, not one
> iota, unless there is not one more terrorist alive on this earth.

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>
>
>I'll address everyone's skepticism here. First of all, I don't expect
>everyone to believe what I wrote. That's to be expected as it's
>exactly what they want. However, anyone who does a little digging can
>probably verify most of what I said.
>
>I have a dependable source for this info. I cannot go into any details
>due to confidentiality, but I have a good friend who has a security
>clearance -- most of what he's told me I can't repeat here.
>
>Whether you believe the media to be liberal biased, or conservative
>biased, is a moot point. The media is owned by six corporations and
>they have a vested interest in not letting any news out that threatens
>their power and control.
>
>
>Because they consider the bad things that happen to be more audiance
>getting (they have ratings, owners and stockholders to answer to). On
>*any* subject they're going to report the bad things over the good.
>
>
>Were we attacked by Iraq?
>
>
>The people you call "raghead terrorist bastards" didn't ask to have
>this trust upon them. They see the US push its weight around the world
>when it's in their best interest, their two-faced policy in Israel,
>support of dictatorships (Saudi Arabia), etc. Some refer to their ways
>as barbaric, but what's the difference between killing thousands of
>innocent men, women and children with bombs and bullets and
>beheadings? People are dying, equally horribly, on both sides. They
>don't have the military might of the US, so they resort to what they
>can, i.e. suicide bombings, kidnappings, etc. War kills innocents no
>matter who's making the war.
>
>Tara
>--
>The folks who know the truth aren't talking. The ones who don't have a
>clue, you can't shut them up. - Tom Waits

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> Your assumption is incorrect. The war was not authorized; the US went
> in unilaterally.
>
> Tara

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> "Don Burnette" wrote:
>
> The people you call "raghead terrorist bastards" didn't ask to have
> this trust upon them.

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> They see the US push its weight around the world
> when it's in their best interest, their two-faced policy in Israel,
> support of dictatorships (Saudi Arabia), etc.

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> Some refer to their ways
> as barbaric,

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> but what's the difference between killing thousands of
> innocent men, women and children with bombs and bullets and
> beheadings? People are dying, equally horribly, on both sides. They
> don't have the military might of the US, so they resort to what they
> can, i.e. suicide bombings, kidnappings, etc. War kills innocents no
> matter who's making the war.

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> Chuck wrote:
>
>
> Your assumption is incorrect. The war was not authorized; the US went
> in unilaterally.
>
> Tara
>

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> "Don Burnette" wrote:
>
>
> I'll address everyone's skepticism here. First of all, I don't expect
> everyone to believe what I wrote. That's to be expected as it's
> exactly what they want. However, anyone who does a little digging can
> probably verify most of what I said.
>
> I have a dependable source for this info. I cannot go into any details
> due to confidentiality, but I have a good friend who has a security
> clearance -- most of what he's told me I can't repeat here.
>

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>
> "Tara" <taragem72@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:61f7c3a1.0409300003.7f58e61f@posting.google.com...
>
> HAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!! That's rich! Just priceless!!!

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> Chuck wrote:
>
>
> Your assumption is incorrect. The war was not authorized; the US went
> in unilaterally.

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>
> This statement is probably more revealing than you wanted. In a few words
> you managed to show that it is your belief that terrorists are absolved of
> all responsibility for what they do and have moral justification for their
> actions.

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> The fact is that terrorists in Iraq are killing
> Iraqis who want peace, security, and a rebuilt nation.

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> The difference is goals. The terrorists want to kill anyone that does not
> adopt the same philosophy as they enspouse. They do not believe in freedom
> of thought or expression. They do not believe in any kind of individual
> rights. They believe only that you will conform or you will die.

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> Which part of:
>
> "Was Vietnam, or SE Asia for that matter, better off after the US
> withdrawl? "
>
> Did you not understand?

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> And who was responsible for the deaths during the war?

quote:

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> Remind me again who was attacking whom?

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> I was under the impression that it was the North Vietnamese who
> couldnt bear the thought of a Free South Vietnam.

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> Actually you are correct my figures should also include the number of dead

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> died during the aggression of the North.

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> "FLY135" wrote:
>
> It's obvious we have diverging views on the situation and I'm sure
> neither of us is going to sway the other. What I'm trying to do is
> present the situation from the Middle Eastern point of view.
>
>
> When the Twin Towers were hit some Middle People cheered. Do you think
> they felt justified? You bet they did! The situation can be viewed
> from what the manipulated mainstream media presents or looked at
> objectively from both sides.

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> The Middle Eastern people aren't stupid.
> They see American's hypocritical policy in it's unquenchable quest of
> oil. Indeed, in every recent conflict there has either been oil or
> natural gas involved, i.e. Afganistan (there is a natural gas pipeline
> running through it), Iraq and Kuwait. Columbia is another area there
> is oil where the US is involved and uses it military force against
> "drug terrorists." Without the petroleum I doubt the US would be
> taking such an active interest there (the US is spending $10 million a
> *week* there). Asia and the Caspian Sea pipeline are areas to watch in
> the furure.

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>
> As for the Israel/Palistine situation the common people want peace and
> to be able to peacefully co-exist. And most people love and admire
> Americans, it's our government they hate and, indeed, it's government
> that's the problem.
>

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>
> They are targeting Iraqis who are helping the US and so they become
> the "enemy," too.
>

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>
> You have some misconceptions here. There are extremists in any
> religion (like Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors that perform
> abortions). But opposing non-Muslims is not their goal. Their main
> motivation is hate...hate of the US government and understandably so.
> You can't force a democracy on people.
>
> Tara

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> "Stocky" <Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13038765.0409272100.5cef962@posting.google.com...
>
> The previous post wasn't in response to you, so I have no idea why you feel
> the need to insinuate that you are repeating something because I didn't get
> it the first time. In addition, I don't care what you are interested in
> except as a reminder that people adopting the extreme view is a possibility.

quote:

---

>
> Which is why I wrote in another post that your views are somewhat
> objectionable. And I read that, and again, feel that it is the only way to win.

quote:

---

> effective

quote:

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> then more and more people will resort to seeing things your way.

quote:

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> advocating that we see things your way sooner.

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> ultimate possibility if people don't start dealing with terrorism on the
> same page instead of attacking each other thereby giving inadvertent support
> to the terrorist philosophy.

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>
> I don't think your plan is any better. It's a last resort when all else
> fails.

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> This is really the pot calling the kettle black. You think the Western news
> media is biased? When was the last time you watched Al Jazeera or any of the
> other blatantly pro-Arab state-sponsored "news" media? Their slant is so
> pronounced that it would take a brainwashed leftie like you to miss it.

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> Let me ask you something. If the USA is so interested in stealing the world's
> oil resources, why is it that we keep buying the oil from middle eastern
> countries?

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> If that really were the case, then why would Exxon, Amaco, etc
> BUY most of their oil on the world market??

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>
>
> That is patently false. The sole driving force behind radical Islam and its
> followers - and this *includes* the PLO, Hamas, and other Palestine-based
> organizations - is to rid the world of the state of Israel.

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> Which will only strengthen the resolve of the USA. How did you like today's
> event? The cold blooded murder of 50 children standing in line for candy by
> some XXXXing idiotic suicide bomber.

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> You clearly have never read any of the Koran or
> any of its supporting texts. Muslims are *commanded* to kill infidels.
> That's a hell of a long way away from turning the other cheek, as in
> Christianity.

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> There are some things that are- we call that "security" and all
> countries have that.

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> Ahhh, unknown source, hush,hush, only he knows the real truth. As if
> the "unknown source" if one exists at all, also "knows all".

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> Back to the secret "conspiracy" theory- we call that paranoid
> schizoid. As if the news of the whole world is controled by 6 corps
> who conspire to deceive everyone.

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> They didn't ask to have the task of murder trust- thrust upon them?
> What "push"? We are defending our lives and property.

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> Your reference to "two-faced" Israeli policy seems to hint at
> anti-semitism.

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> The only policy we have in that regard is to value a
> friendly country more than an enemy country- and that we don't do
> strongly enough.

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> Support of Saudi Arabia? We usually mean that word to
> mean "give money". Do they need our money? They have oil to sell.

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> Who are those "innocent" people we are killing? The ones throwing rocks at
> our burning vehicles?

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>
> We all know the "truth" and I for one am talking. I don't know who
> "Tom Waits" is but that seems to apply to one of us in this case- you
> figure it out.

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> Since when is 50 countries defined as "unilateral".

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> "FLY135" wrote:
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> When the Twin Towers were hit some Middle People cheered. Do you think
> they felt justified? You bet they did!

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> The situation can be viewed
> from what the manipulated mainstream media presents or looked at
> objectively from both sides. The Middle Eastern people aren't stupid.
> They see American's hypocritical policy in it's unquenchable quest of
> oil. Indeed, in every recent conflict there has either been oil or
> natural gas involved, i.e. Afganistan (there is a natural gas pipeline
> running through it), Iraq and Kuwait.

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> As for the Israel/Palistine situation the common people want peace and
> to be able to peacefully co-exist. And most people love and admire
> Americans, it's our government they hate and, indeed, it's government
> that's the problem.

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> They are targeting Iraqis who are helping the US and so they become
> the "enemy," too.

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>
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> You have some misconceptions here. There are extremists in any
> religion (like Christian fundamentalists who kill doctors that perform
> abortions). But opposing non-Muslims is not their goal. Their main
> motivation is hate...hate of the US government and understandably so.
> You can't force a democracy on people.

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> Spoken by a true narrow-minded, sheepell who swallows the party line.
> If you want to keep your heads in the sand it's up to you...
>
> Tara
> --
> Men are like a deck of cards. You'll find the occasional king, but
> most are jacks. - Laura Swenson
>

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> Stockman91790@yahoo.com (Stocky) wrote in message
>
> Did you forget current events? We are the occupiers.

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> LOL! I'm about as un-racist as they come!

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> As I've stated before, neither the Israeli or Patistinian people want
> war, but just to peacefully co-exist. It's the governments that are
> causing the problem. But hey, I guess you trigger-happy, war mongers
> can't comphrehend that.

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> Thousands of innocent Iradi men, women and children have been killed
> or injured, and more die daily.

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> Spoken by a true narrow-minded, sheepell who swallows the party line.
> If you want to keep your heads in the sand it's up to you...

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> "Tara" <taragem72@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:61f7c3a1.0409301453.8f9a7e2@posting.google.com...
> words
> of
> their
>
> The issue isn't whether they "believe" they are morally justified, but if
> they are morally justified.

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> "can be viewed" is the key phrase. No matter what approach that the US uses
> in maintaining relations with foreign govts., they are always those that can
> spin the situation into rallying hatred for this country.
>

I don't believe it. Those peacefull people are the ones who celebrate
over destroyed vehicles from suicide bombers, dance on the bodies of
dead, throw rocks at tanks, burn flags and express their true feelings
when interviewed in the streets. Let's put the focus on the bad guys-
it is THEM, not us or our gov.
If it really were that simple, let's appologise to the murderers and
have peace.
We can sit on our hands and they can cut our heads off after telling
us they will kill us. They make no secret about it and proudly bost
about the murder they do- maybe if we put our heads in the sand they
won't see us and just go away. Many of us want to do just that. The
truth is we have to kill them or they will kill us.
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> The Palistinian people are a tool that many Muslim leaders use to imflame
> the ME against Israel. The Palistinians are represented by terrorists like
> Hamas whose charter is the ellimination of Israel. Until the world takes a
> hard line against groups like Hamas the Palistinian people are doomed.
>
>
> Bingo! the people of Iraq who want peace and rebuilding of their country and
> are willing to let western govts assist them are the "enemy" of the
> Terrorists. Your sugar coating is either indicative of some agenda that
> refuses to acknowledge this truth. Perhaps your primary agenda is promoting
> the "evils" of US policy. It surely isn't an interest in helping the Iraqi
> people establish security and the rule of law.
>
> not
> freedom
>
> Hate of the US govt. is just a tool in the bag of tricks. The goal of
> extremists is power and control. They cannot maintain this with a
> democracy. You can't maintain this if people have the rule of law and
> guaranteed protections to speak their mind and non-violently promote their
> beliefs. The phrase "you can't force a democracy on people" is misguided.
> You don't have to "force" the right to be represented on anyone. You have
> to fight those who oppose it. A democracy is essential in order for people
> to be responsible for what their govt. does. If there is no democracy then
> the people of the govt. are victims of consequences in which they have no
> say.

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> The issue isn't whether they "believe" they are morally justified, but if
> they are morally justified.

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> "can be viewed" is the key phrase. No matter what approach that the US uses
> in maintaining relations with foreign govts., they are always those that can
> spin the situation into rallying hatred for this country.

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> The Palistinian people are a tool that many Muslim leaders use to imflame
> the ME against Israel. The Palistinians are represented by terrorists like
> Hamas whose charter is the ellimination of Israel. Until the world takes a
> hard line against groups like Hamas the Palistinian people are doomed.

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> Your sugar coating is either indicative of some agenda that
> refuses to acknowledge this truth. Perhaps your primary agenda is promoting
> the "evils" of US policy. It surely isn't an interest in helping the Iraqi
> people establish security and the rule of law.

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> Hate of the US govt. is just a tool in the bag of tricks.

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> You don't have to "force" the right to be represented on anyone.

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> Tell me then why the resolutions DONT SAY WHAT THEY SAY. If you don't know
> what I'm talking about, read my posts in this thread. And unilaterally is
> blatantly false.

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> Since when does the US need anyone's approval for anything? We had enough
> resolutions in our back pocket to legally remove Saddam,

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> whether you little lefty freaks now agree or not.

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> OP's agenda is to uncover info for the public to read. That's nice, but
> that isn't attacking the problem, just letting everyone know more about
> what's going on.

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>
> HAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!! That's rich! Just priceless!!!