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| getrich@1upandup.com 2007-01-30, 7:59 pm |
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RMZ wrote:
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> In case you think all of this talk of the PS3 failure is fanboy speak,
> here's yet another media report:
> http://www.gwn.com/articles/article...sses_Demand.htm
Ok, look at the basic facts:
1. The PS3 is the most expensive system out there.
2. It doesn't have any killer apps, or even remotely large selection of
exclusive games. It has backwards compatibility, which one gets better
if they have a PS2.
3. The system is in ample supply, without the buzz of shortage about
it.
4. The buzz of new and hot which would be around the PS3 is on the Wii,
which is 50%+ less expensive (depending on which PS3 model you refer
to). The Wii has this with the system selling out in less than a day.
A local store where I am sells the Wii for over $400 and sells out
within a day.
5. The PS3 is best suited for people with high-def tvs, which doesn't
represent the majority of TVs people have.
6. The main differential feature of the PS3 is the BluRay format, which
is smack in the middle of high def movie format war.
7. The Wii matches up better with the quirkiness of what people in
Japan seek, gimmick play and controllers.
Ok, take away the Sony name, and tell me why exactly the PS3 is
supposed to sell like gangbusters? The bulk of people are doing a wait
and see. Even if you removed the 360 from the equation, the PS3 still
faces problems.
Anyone care to explain what I am missing here?
- The Rich
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| Rich,
But if you review some of my other recent post you'll see that in side
by side comparisons (which you can see for yourselff), we're already
getting non-exclusive sports titles crossing over between the PS3 and
XBox 360 and the 360 versions are better!
A lot of things look great on paper and the reality is a whole
different story, and sadly that's the case with the PS3. Sony sold
consumers a pack of lies, they are talking advantage of customer
loyality and assuming that you're buy they product on brand alone. They
are taking consumers for fools.
The reality is what's tangible. What's tangible in this case? The
number of games available, the quality of the games available? Sony has
delivered an inferior game system, it's not the system they processed.
Ok, maybe technically (i.e. on paper) in many aspects it is, but the
performance you're seeing is in the games and it's far from what was
promised.
If you've already bought of received a PS3 for Christmas you're
invested in it at this point. You can make the decision to keep it and
see what happens or you can sell it. If you've already got one it's a
hard decision.
If it were me I would sell it immediately at a nominal loss, because I
know a failed system when I see one and the PS3 in its current
incarnation is a failure. I'll predict now, it will be pronounced a
failure within the next twelve months by at least one major media
outlet and that sentiment will be accepted. How Sony will respond to
the failure is still up the air, they continue to be an extremely
arrogant group of people, they will not admit failure until they
absolutely have to and even then they will likely try to spin it.
If you're thinking of buying a PS3, it's a very easy decision.... Don't
do it. You'll be paying a $200+ difference for an inferior gaming
experience (see my post comparing PS3 and 360 EA titles) and unless
media format that most analyst are predicting imminent failure
(following the adult film industry backing of HD-DVD a few weeks ago).
Don't blindly follow a brand, that's just an incredibly stupid thing to
do.
getrich@1upandup.com wrote:
quote:
> RMZ wrote:
>
> Ok, look at the basic facts:
> 1. The PS3 is the most expensive system out there.
> 2. It doesn't have any killer apps, or even remotely large selection of
> exclusive games. It has backwards compatibility, which one gets better
> if they have a PS2.
> 3. The system is in ample supply, without the buzz of shortage about
> it.
> 4. The buzz of new and hot which would be around the PS3 is on the Wii,
> which is 50%+ less expensive (depending on which PS3 model you refer
> to). The Wii has this with the system selling out in less than a day.
> A local store where I am sells the Wii for over $400 and sells out
> within a day.
> 5. The PS3 is best suited for people with high-def tvs, which doesn't
> represent the majority of TVs people have.
> 6. The main differential feature of the PS3 is the BluRay format, which
> is smack in the middle of high def movie format war.
> 7. The Wii matches up better with the quirkiness of what people in
> Japan seek, gimmick play and controllers.
>
> Ok, take away the Sony name, and tell me why exactly the PS3 is
> supposed to sell like gangbusters? The bulk of people are doing a wait
> and see. Even if you removed the 360 from the equation, the PS3 still
> faces problems.
>
> Anyone care to explain what I am missing here?
>
> - The Rich
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| Android 2007-01-30, 8:00 pm |
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<getrich@1upandup.com> wrote in message
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quote:
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> RMZ wrote:
http://www.gwn.com/articles/article...sses_Demand.htm[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Ok, look at the basic facts:
> 1. The PS3 is the most expensive system out there.
Yes, but it is equal in price to the 360 if you pay for Xbox Live, a WiFi
connection, and an HD-DVD, by the way...
quote:
> 2. It doesn't have any killer apps, or even remotely large selection of
> exclusive games. It has backwards compatibility, which one gets better
> if they have a PS2.
Don't underestimate the value of backwards compatibility, as there are
millions of PS2 games in homes out there. And eventually there will be a
killer app. What was the 360's killer app in January 2006? Gears of War
and Ghost Recon hadn't come out yet, remember?
quote:
> 3. The system is in ample supply, without the buzz of shortage about it.
As is the 360...as was the 360 by March of 2006.
quote:
> 4. The buzz of new and hot which would be around the PS3 is on the Wii,
> which is 50%+ less expensive (depending on which PS3 model you refer
> to). The Wii has this with the system selling out in less than a day.
> A local store where I am sells the Wii for over $400 and sells out
> within a day.
Which won't last forever. Eventually supply will catch up with demand.
quote:
> 5. The PS3 is best suited for people with high-def tvs, which doesn't
> represent the majority of TVs people have.
Not yet, anyway.
quote:
> 6. The main differential feature of the PS3 is the BluRay format, which
> is smack in the middle of high def movie format war.
True.
quote:
> 7. The Wii matches up better with the quirkiness of what people in
> Japan seek, gimmick play and controllers.
But not necessarily what people in the US and UK seek...at least, not long
term.
quote:
> Ok, take away the Sony name, and tell me why exactly the PS3 is
> supposed to sell like gangbusters? The bulk of people are doing a wait
> and see. Even if you removed the 360 from the equation, the PS3 still
> faces problems.
>
> Anyone care to explain what I am missing here?
>
> - The Rich
You are not missing anything, but it is getting tedious reading post after
post stating the obvious.
We KNOW that the PS3 is expensive and has no AAA titles.
We KNOW that the PS3 is readily available, unlike the Wii.
We KNOW that the PS3 is better suited for HD televisions.
We KNOW that the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD format war is still being fought.
But...
EVENTUALLY, the PS3 will drop in price and the AAA titles will come.
EVENTUALLY, the Wii supply will match the demand, and it will also be easy
to find.
EVENTUALLY, the public will be moving towards HD televisions...especially
with broadcast companies being forced to upgrade
EVENTUALLY, the format war will be won (or become irrelevant). Even if
HD-DVD wins, the PS3 won't be worthless because it also uses Blu-Ray for
games...whereas if Blu-Ray wins, the 360's HD-DVD will be worthless, or at
least a lot less valuable.
That's why the PS3 may be okay despite the shaky start. Add to that...
IF third-parties fail to support the Wii, just as they didn't support the
N64 and GameCube as much as the competition...
IF the public tires of the Wii's gimmick, as they have with the Eye Toy and
every prior controller gimmick in videogame history...
IF the Xbox 360 bombs in Japan and fails to secure RPGs and other games
exclusive to PS3 in the US/Europe...
....and the PS3 could eventually overtake the 360 and Wii in sales. If not,
it can still be competitive.
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Android wrote:
quote:
> <getrich@1upandup.com> wrote in message
> news:1169420982.671859.111790@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.gwn.com/articles/article...sses_Demand.htm
>
> Yes, but it is equal in price to the 360 if you pay for Xbox Live, a WiFi
> connection, and an HD-DVD, by the way...
>
>
> Don't underestimate the value of backwards compatibility, as there are
> millions of PS2 games in homes out there. And eventually there will be a
> killer app. What was the 360's killer app in January 2006? Gears of War
> and Ghost Recon hadn't come out yet, remember?
>
>
> As is the 360...as was the 360 by March of 2006.
>
>
> Which won't last forever. Eventually supply will catch up with demand.
>
>
> Not yet, anyway.
>
>
> True.
>
>
> But not necessarily what people in the US and UK seek...at least, not long
> term.
>
>
> You are not missing anything, but it is getting tedious reading post after
> post stating the obvious.
>
> We KNOW that the PS3 is expensive and has no AAA titles.
> We KNOW that the PS3 is readily available, unlike the Wii.
> We KNOW that the PS3 is better suited for HD televisions.
> We KNOW that the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD format war is still being fought.
>
> But...
>
> EVENTUALLY, the PS3 will drop in price and the AAA titles will come.
SCEA's CEO said just last month don't look for a PS3 price drop in the
same time frame as the first PS2 price drop, so that would mean any PS3
price drop is at least three years away, unless the PS3 becomes a
clearance item due to failure, which I don't think any of us can rule
out happening.
quote:
> EVENTUALLY, the Wii supply will match the demand, and it will also be easy
> to find.
That's true. Nintendo will spend money they are making to rev up on
production.
quote:
> EVENTUALLY, the public will be moving towards HD televisions...especially
> with broadcast companies being forced to upgrade
I have a 57" Hitachi HDTV capable of 720p, It has a 480i to HD
upconverter that when combined with progressive scan output from a DVD
player produces fantastic results. Now there is a very small subset of
HD owners that have 1080p capable sets, just to give Sony the benefit
of the doubt I spent about 10 minutes in front of one of their Blu-Ray
demo units set up as an in store display by Sony at a local BestBuy
(call around you can find one of these, don't take my word for it). The
demo in this case was not a PS3 but a $1000 Sony Blu-Ray drive attached
to a high-end, 1080p capable Sony HDTV. I don't recall the model #, but
it was over $3000 and one of the more pricey sets available at this
location for it's size. Anyway, I spent time in front of the demo,
which shows DVD quality vs Blu-Ray, yes I could see the improvement,
but it was so nominal I couldn't believe my eyes. My thought was "They
are selling this for $1000?". I had a friend of mine take a look and he
started laughing. You watch the Knights Tale demonstration and see the
little flames go from a little blurry to a tad less blurry, ok the
difference just isn't that noticeable. If you don't believe me, go
check it out for yourself.
quote:
> EVENTUALLY, the format war will be won (or become irrelevant). Even if
> HD-DVD wins, the PS3 won't be worthless because it also uses Blu-Ray for
> games...whereas if Blu-Ray wins, the 360's HD-DVD will be worthless, or at
> least a lot less valuable.
Ok, if you're sold on Blu-Ray, by all means buy a PS3, it's a steal for
that purpose. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD aren't worth the money right now, it's
possible both will fail as movie media formats, they will both likely
stick around as data formats. But does Blu-Ray help games. According to
Gamespot's comparision of four different EA titles on XBox 360 and PS3,
the Blu-Ray drive is considerably slower to load than DVD.
quote:
>
> That's why the PS3 may be okay despite the shaky start. Add to that...
>
> IF third-parties fail to support the Wii, just as they didn't support the
> N64 and GameCube as much as the competition...
Relative to where the SNES was in the market, the N64 was a failure.
Instead of being declared a failure, it was cleverly repositioned by
Nintendo as a system for a younger audience and their high quality
first-party titles saved it, the Gamecube is a solid system, but it was
riding of the legacy of the N64 and it too was positioned as a system
for a younger audience. Nintendo is playing off this by positioning the
Wii as a family system, it's numbers are staggering, it's hot.... and
game developers care about one thing.... the almighty dollar! So they
invest heavily in game development based on what customers buy and at
this point PS3 gets a third-place ribbon for that one.
quote:
> IF the public tires of the Wii's gimmick, as they have with the Eye Toy and
> every prior controller gimmick in videogame history...
But the sales figures say that won't happen. Nintendo knows how to dell
gimmick. Do you realize the Nintendo DS works because of a similar
gimmick, it took the crown away from PS2 as the #1 selling console for
the 2006 Holiday season, in Japan and in the US. Everyone is talking
about the Wii. Go spend an hour in a Gamestop or EB store, you'll hear
customers come in asking about when they can get one. You'll hear Wii
owners come in talking about future titles. It's not the most capable
system, but it's hot.
quote:
> IF the Xbox 360 bombs in Japan and fails to secure RPGs and other games
> exclusive to PS3 in the US/Europe...
The Japanese market alone will not save Sony.
quote:
>
> ...and the PS3 could eventually overtake the 360 and Wii in sales. If not,
> it can still be competitive.
The only way this can happen is if Sony finds a successful niche for
it. It needs to be positioned liked a Ferrari, the problem is it's
priced like a Ferrari and it runs more like a Corvette. Products that
are misplaced like this always fail, yes even if a respected brand name
is stamped on them. Which is why I say the current incarnation of the
system will fail, I have no doubt.
Here are three scenarios that would help Sony, I don't think any of
these would land them at #1 with the PS3, but any combination of two
could probably save the company for tanking, the problem only one of
the three (#3) looks plausible at this point.
1. If Sony can manage to reinvest the PS3 in such a way that it doesn't
burn their third-party developers and they can somehow come out with a
version 2 PS3 without Blu-ray and maybe scaled back in other areas,
then they could compete.
2. If the PS3 is truely capable of amazing things not available in the
current dev kits (as Sony has said) and Sony can find a way to harness
this power and make it more accessible in a dev kit upgrade then they
could get games that make the system look like its worth more than a
360
3. If the PS3 had a killer game that really made the system stand out
about the 360 that was a 9.9 on a 10 scale, sales would pick up.
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> Yes, but it is equal in price to the 360 if you pay for Xbox Live, a WiFi
> connection, and an HD-DVD, by the way...
The key word is "IF". Not everyone wants Live, WiFi, and HD-DVD. Plus, you
can't really compare the two online services yet. Microsoft is the biggest
software company in the world, and they have 4+ years with the Live product
on the marketplace. Sony should just farm their software work out to IBM or
someone, because version 1.0 of their online service is horrid.
quote:
> Don't underestimate the value of backwards compatibility, as there are
> millions of PS2 games in homes out there. And eventually there will be a
> killer app. What was the 360's killer app in January 2006? Gears of War
> and Ghost Recon hadn't come out yet, remember?
1. Backwards compatibility is the most overrated feature I can think of.
Do you, or anyone you know actually play old games on your systems on a
semi-regular basis? I know I don't.
2. The 360 had SEVERAL killer apps in January of 2006. Call of Duty 2,
Project Gotham 3, Condemned, and Kameo were all WORLDS better than anything
the PS3 has in the market or coming up.
quote:
> Which won't last forever. Eventually supply will catch up with demand.
I snipped the part that you're replying to (the Wii shortage). However, if
you're a publisher, at the end of the day it's about publishing the most
games to the largest market. The popularity of the Wii and the mediocrity
of the PS3 shocked me, personally. If it shocked me, a gamer, I can just
imagine what is going on in software publishers around the world right now.
quote:
> IF the Xbox 360 bombs in Japan and fails to secure RPGs and other games
> exclusive to PS3 in the US/Europe...
>
> ...and the PS3 could eventually overtake the 360 and Wii in sales. If
> not,
> it can still be competitive.
I know that not many share this opinion, but I think the Japanese gaming
market is maybe 10% as important as it was in the 80s and most of the 90s.
I think the console sales in that market are so small as to be meaningless
(in the context of worldwide sales), and the European and American
developers have been thumping the Japanese in quality game output for some
time. I played exactly two quality Japanese titles last year, and that was
Dead Rising and Chromehounds. It's a shame, really, what happened to once
great software developers like Sega. The latest Sonic game was crap, and
PSU was horrible.
The fact that the PS3's best launch title (Resistance) is from an American
development house illustrates my assertion pretty well, I think.
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| Doug Jacobs 2007-01-30, 8:00 pm |
| Android <androvich@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:
quote:
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> Yes, but it is equal in price to the 360 if you pay for Xbox Live, a WiFi
> connection, and an HD-DVD, by the way...
But if you don't need XBL, WiFi or HD-DVD?
The HD-DVD add-on for the 360, as well as blu-ray playback for the PS3,
are both obsolete basically. Hybrid players will come out this year
making this whole media war a moot point from consumers' perspective.
Even if HD-DVD were to up and die today, it wouldn't affect Microsoft in
any significant manner. They'd just stop making the HD-DVD add-on. Sony
and the PS3, on the other hand, are committed to blu-ray whether it
succeeds or not. If blu-ray were to fail in the video market, Sony would
still have to support it for the PS3 since they insisted that all PS3
games use blu-ray (even though, one article pointed out that the PS3's
blu-ray drive is actually faster with DVDs...)
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Don't underestimate the value of backwards compatibility, as there are
> millions of PS2 games in homes out there. And eventually there will be a
> killer app. What was the 360's killer app in January 2006? Gears of War
> and Ghost Recon hadn't come out yet, remember?
BC is only really important during the first year of the console's life -
when good native games are scarce.
Even then, the PS3 is no where near as PS2-friendly as the PS2 was with
PS1 games. First off, any game requiring a different type of controller -
like the DDR mats or the Guitar Hero guitars - is out of luck. There's no
way to connect them to the PS3. These are big, system selling franchises
for the PS2 that won't work on the PS3. Next, there's been many problems
reported about transfering the contents of your memory card to the PS3's
hard drive. It seems it doesn't work as well as one would expect... I've
also heard games that can use the internet are also not functioning well
as they aren't able to communicate with the PS3's network hardware
properly.
There's also reports that the PS3 actually makes PS2 games look WORSE.
They look much jaggier on the PS3 than the PS2.
Finally, between the PS3's lack of games, and PS2's low price, I'd
strongly reccomend that if you want to play PS2 games - get a PS2. In a
year or so, hopefully the PS3 will be lower in price and have more games
for it. There is no point in buying a PS3 now either for Blu-Ray movies,
PS3 games, or even for PS2 games.
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> As is the 360...as was the 360 by March of 2006.
I was finding plenty of PS3s in stores *BEFORE CHRISTMAS*. Whereas, I
didn't spot my first 360 in a store until about March 2006 as you
mention. I've yet to see a Wii, meanwhile.
This isn't a case of the PS3 out-shipping the 360, either. The 360
shipped - AND SOLD (to consumers that is) - more units during its first
holiday season than the PS3 did. Sony may have solved its manufacturing
problems, but it doesn't matter. There's already a surplus of PS3s in the
stores.
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Which won't last forever. Eventually supply will catch up with demand.
True. However, the fact that Nintendo has been shipping more Wii's than
either the PS3 or 360 during equivelant periods, AND still selling out
says something. In the meantime, the 360 continues to have good sales,
and the PS3...just sits there.
Sony has stated they want to hit 20 million by the end of 2007, which
means they'd have to at least see 2x the sales that the 360 was seeing
throughout last year. I'd say they'll be lucky if they can say 5 million -
considering that they've missed every stated target by 50% so far.
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Not yet, anyway.
This point confuses me, because you can say the same about the 360. But
that hasn't hurt its sales.
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> But not necessarily what people in the US and UK seek...at least, not long
> term.
I think this remains to be seen. It could very well be that the Wii will
continue to sell well amongst what Nintendo called the non-gamer and
casual gamer market. The novelty will keep it around as a party game type
of thing. Meanwhile, more serious gamers may play around with the Wii,
but will also have another platform, be it the PS3, 360, PC, or some
combination.
quote:
> You are not missing anything, but it is getting tedious reading post after
> post stating the obvious.
quote:
> We KNOW that the PS3 is expensive and has no AAA titles.
> We KNOW that the PS3 is readily available, unlike the Wii.
> We KNOW that the PS3 is better suited for HD televisions.
> We KNOW that the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD format war is still being fought.
quote:
> But...
quote:
> EVENTUALLY, the PS3 will drop in price and the AAA titles will come.
By the time this happens (2008?) will it even make a difference? Will
developers get tired of waiting for other AAA games to appear, and change
their own plans for the PS3?
quote:
> EVENTUALLY, the Wii supply will match the demand, and it will also be easy
> to find.
> EVENTUALLY, the public will be moving towards HD televisions...especially
> with broadcast companies being forced to upgrade
No one's arguing these.
quote:
> EVENTUALLY, the format war will be won (or become irrelevant). Even if
> HD-DVD wins, the PS3 won't be worthless because it also uses Blu-Ray for
> games...whereas if Blu-Ray wins, the 360's HD-DVD will be worthless, or at
> least a lot less valuable.
If blu-ray utterly failed in the video market, it'd be a similar situation
as the PSP and UMD. In that case, Sony is still stuck supporting a
relatively expensive and proprietary format because they insisted it be
used for games.
If HD-DVD were to totally go away, it wouldn't have nearly the same effect
on Microsoft, since they weren't relying on it for the success of the
360. By putting blu-ray into the PS3, and insisting all developers use
it, Sony literally tied the success of the PS3 to the success of blu-ray.
If blu-ray does well, blu-ray drives and discs will drop in price,
resulting in the PS3 being able to drop in price (or at least stop costing
Sony so much each time they build one!)
At any rate, it's clear that Sony intended the PS3 to be a cheap blu-ray
player and have it gain early acceptance that way. This would mirror
their PS2 strategy. However, no one's really interested in blu-ray (or
HD-DVD) at this time because you NEED a HDTV, the libraries are still
small and uninteresting, no one wants a repeat of VHS/Betamax, and now,
Hybrid Players are practicaly a reality - making both the PS3 and 360
rather useless as HD movie players as neither can play both formats.
quote:
> That's why the PS3 may be okay despite the shaky start. Add to that...
quote:
> IF third-parties fail to support the Wii, just as they didn't support the
> N64 and GameCube as much as the competition...
....they'll do just fine. Most people buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo's
first party games anyways.
quote:
> IF the public tires of the Wii's gimmick, as they have with the Eye Toy and
> every prior controller gimmick in videogame history...
....they'll rush out and buy a PS3 (or 360)? Not likely. Most households
only buy 1 console per generation. They might consider a second console
once they drop under $200, but that's years in the future.
It also remains to be seen what impact - if any - the Wii's VC feature
will have. Many people have expressed interest in playing some of the
older games - including the aforementioned heavy gamers. They may not be
jumping around the room, waving their Wiimotes like a maniac, but if
Nintendo can keep people occupied with older offers of Mario, etc. they
aren't as likely to go out and buy a 2nd console.
quote:
> IF the Xbox 360 bombs in Japan and fails to secure RPGs and other games
> exclusive to PS3 in the US/Europe...
This one is already failed. The 360 has secured at least 2 J-RPGs - one
as a launch title, the 2nd was initially offered as a bundle AND SOLD
OUT. While the 360 isn't selling nearly as well in Japan compared to the
US or Europe, it's certainly on track to out-sell the original Xbox.
Meanwhile, rumors of new games for the 360 abound, while the PS3's rumor
are less exciting. Warhawk now only a downloadable demo? 3rd party
developers delaying PS3 games as they take a 'wait & see' attitude?
PS3 exclusive titles possibly going multi-platform?
quote:
> ...and the PS3 could eventually overtake the 360 and Wii in sales. If not,
> it can still be competitive.
Sony has traditionally relied on its 3rd party exclusive franchises to
sell their hardware. If the 3rd party developers decide to multi-platform
their games - or worse - dump Sony altogether, what's left? A scant
handful of first party games? Let's see, that'd be Resistance Fall Of
Man, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, GT4. Call it maybe 5 or 6 games over
2 years? No one's going to buy a PS3 for that. Especially since the
multi-platform games look nearly identical on the PS3 compared to the 360
- but the 360's online support is better, and the 360 is cheaper.
I've said it before: Few good exclusive games means poor sales. Poor
sales means fewer exclusive titles, or more multi-platform titles.
Looking at the planned releases for the PS3 for this year, I can't even
tell how many will actually come out because it seems barely a week goes
by without another rumor of a game being delayed. Even Motorstorm is
slipping a few months.
People say how the PS3's true abilities haven't been tapped yet - which
could be true. People also say the PS3 will take years to learn in terms
of creating really awesome graphics - which may also be true. The problem
is, Sony doesn't have "years". Right now, the 360 and the Wii are very
strong competitors, and continue to pull further and further ahead of the
PS3 every day. This seems very much like the situation that the Saturn,
Dreamcast, and Xbox found themselves in. Each was arguably more powerful
than their respective main competitor of the time. Yet, the most powerful
hardware doesn't mean squat if you don't have the games. The other
console had the games, had the sales, had the attention of the developers
- even though many complained it was actually HARDER to develop for that
platform compared to the other, more powerful one(s). Ironically, it was
Sony's Playstation and Playstation 2 that were in the position as dominant
console even though they arguably had weaker hardware compared to some of
the other consoles available.
Also, as you may remember with the PS2/Xbox, many of the multiplatform
games were created on the PS2 first, then ported - quickly - to the Xbox.
Many people complained that these ports could have out-performed the PS2
version had the developers spent more time on them. But companies were
more interested getting games out to the largest market segment first -
the PS2 - with the Xbox a distant 2nd. Now, we're in a situation where
the positions are reversed, where the main development is done on the 360
and then quickly ported to the PS3 - but not using nearly all the power of
the 360...
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| In article <12rdbou68o9dj9a@corp.supernews.com>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
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> The HD-DVD add-on for the 360, as well as blu-ray playback for the PS3,
> are both obsolete basically. Hybrid players will come out this year
> making this whole media war a moot point from consumers' perspective.
Hybrid players are a waste of money. The LG player will cost more than
a 60 GB PS3 and a Toshiba HD-DVD player.
Better yet, a PS3 owner will have at least 80% of the titles playable by
a universal player.
It's more needed by the HD-DVD side, which has a big content deficit (no
Fox, Disney, Sony Pictures and MGM titles). It's a way for HD-DVD to
leech the greater studio support that Blu-Ray enjoys.
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| In article <12rdbou68o9dj9a@corp.supernews.com>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
quote:
> This isn't a case of the PS3 out-shipping the 360, either. The 360
> shipped - AND SOLD (to consumers that is) - more units during its first
> holiday season than the PS3 did. Sony may have solved its manufacturing
> problems, but it doesn't matter. There's already a surplus of PS3s in the
> stores.
Do you have a cite for that?
I think NPD numbers for PS3 in November and December were higher than
the NPD numbers for the X360 in Nov. and December of 2005.
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