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PS3 still not in production..?
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| TheGame 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| Hmm. so PS3 will launch worldwide in less than 90 days but not a single
PS3 has been made? Thats not good. So in less 90 days, a million PS3s
will be built, boxed, and shipped worldwide to stores? Sony really has
their work cut out for them. Looks like the PS3 shortages during launch
will be just as bad as 360s..
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6156046...estnews;title;0
GS: So is the PS3 already being manufactured?
Kaz Harai: We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys
were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the
[production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing
as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we
haven't set really a specific date to say, "As of this day we're going
to start manufacturing."
(This quote is also intereting. Is he suggesting another delay?)
Kaz Harai: I think it's going to be very much of a challenge to be able
to meet every single unit demand that's out there in the market. That's
just a logistical impossibility. Unless we suddenly say, "Well we want
to wait until June of next year to launch because we want to stockpile
product," I don't think that's the approach we want to take.
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| BlackKnight 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| Amazing how you get different information from different places. I'm sure it
was only a few weeks ago that someone posted a link stating that PS3
production had started, I'm sure I read it started in May.
So who's telling the truth here?
Does anyone really care?
"TheGame" <n0n0n0n0n0@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1156259393.733345.11960@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Hmm. so PS3 will launch worldwide in less than 90 days but not a single
> PS3 has been made? Thats not good. So in less 90 days, a million PS3s
> will be built, boxed, and shipped worldwide to stores? Sony really has
> their work cut out for them. Looks like the PS3 shortages during launch
> will be just as bad as 360s..
>
> http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6156046...estnews;title;0
>
> GS: So is the PS3 already being manufactured?
>
> Kaz Harai: We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys
> were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the
> [production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing
> as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we
> haven't set really a specific date to say, "As of this day we're going
> to start manufacturing."
>
> (This quote is also intereting. Is he suggesting another delay?)
> Kaz Harai: I think it's going to be very much of a challenge to be able
> to meet every single unit demand that's out there in the market. That's
> just a logistical impossibility. Unless we suddenly say, "Well we want
> to wait until June of next year to launch because we want to stockpile
> product," I don't think that's the approach we want to take.
>
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| Unmutual 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| BlackKnight wrote:
quote:
> Amazing how you get different information from different places. I'm sure it
> was only a few weeks ago that someone posted a link stating that PS3
> production had started, I'm sure I read it started in May.
>
> So who's telling the truth here?
>
Probably the Sony President when he states it's not being manufactured
yet. Mind you - given his track record..............
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| Jordan 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| BlackKnight wrote:
quote:
> So who's telling the truth here?
>
> Does anyone really care?
At this point I would tend to believe anyone outside the Sony
organization more than anyone inside. After the whole "Spring launch"
fiasco it seems that outsiders have more accurate information/are more
willing to provide accurate information than Sony execs.
- Jordan
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| Unmutual 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| Jordan wrote:
quote:
> BlackKnight wrote:
>
>
> At this point I would tend to believe anyone outside the Sony
> organization more than anyone inside. After the whole "Spring launch"
> fiasco it seems that outsiders have more accurate information/are more
> willing to provide accurate information than Sony execs.
>
> - Jordan
>
So you think the Sony President is lying when he says it's not in
production? Why on earth would he do that? Push up pre-order sales for
maybe?
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| TheGame 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| Couldn't that (e.g. give bad news) hurt sony's stock as well?
Unmutual wrote:
quote:
> So you think the Sony President is lying when he says it's not in
> production? Why on earth would he do that? Push up pre-order sales for
> maybe?
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| omarenoryt@aol.com 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
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Unmutual wrote:
quote:
> Jordan wrote:
>
> So you think the Sony President is lying when he says it's not in
> production?
I understand how hysterical you are over the PS3's being in production
since May, but you might want to curb the full-on temper tantrums,
infant 
Why on earth would he do that? Push up pre-order sales for
quote:
> maybe?
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| Jordan 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| Unmutual wrote:
quote:
> So you think the Sony President is lying when he says it's not in
> production? Why on earth would he do that? Push up pre-order sales for
> maybe?
It doesn't have to be a lie in the way that the Spring launch was a
lie. It could simply be that he was either mis-informed (as the Sony
CEO was when he said the PS3 would be $300 or $400) or mistranslated.
It could simply mean that the plants aren't up to full production yet
and are only producing a few hundred thousand units a month instead of
the million or so they actually need.
In any case, there's no reason to believe the statements coming from
Sony are accurate.
- Jordan
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| AirRaid 1500 2006-08-22, 7:37 pm |
| sounds like PS3 isn't going into production until early September at
the soonest. I don't know how the XXXX Sony is gonna come up with 2
million units for worldwide launch in November.
TheGame wrote:
quote:
> Hmm. so PS3 will launch worldwide in less than 90 days but not a single
> PS3 has been made? Thats not good. So in less 90 days, a million PS3s
> will be built, boxed, and shipped worldwide to stores? Sony really has
> their work cut out for them. Looks like the PS3 shortages during launch
> will be just as bad as 360s..
>
> http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6156046...estnews;title;0
>
> GS: So is the PS3 already being manufactured?
>
> Kaz Harai: We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys
> were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the
> [production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing
> as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we
> haven't set really a specific date to say, "As of this day we're going
> to start manufacturing."
>
> (This quote is also intereting. Is he suggesting another delay?)
> Kaz Harai: I think it's going to be very much of a challenge to be able
> to meet every single unit demand that's out there in the market. That's
> just a logistical impossibility. Unless we suddenly say, "Well we want
> to wait until June of next year to launch because we want to stockpile
> product," I don't think that's the approach we want to take.
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| Zackman 2006-08-22, 11:33 pm |
| TheGame <n0n0n0n0n0@excite.com> spake thusly:
quote:
> Hmm. so PS3 will launch worldwide in less than 90 days but not a
> single PS3 has been made? Thats not good. So in less 90 days, a
> million PS3s will be built, boxed, and shipped worldwide to stores?
The 360 went into production 69 days before launch IIRC. And Sony has
readjusted their 2 million at launch to 2 million by the end of the calendar
year. They'll be lucky if they can even make that tho.
-Z-
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| Zackman 2006-08-22, 11:33 pm |
| omarenoryt@aol.com <omarenoryt@aol.com> spake thusly:
quote:
> I understand how hysterical you are over the PS3's being in production
> since May, but you might want to curb the full-on temper tantrums,
> infant
Omar, you need to post more often. You are missed.
-Z-
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| Zackman 2006-08-22, 11:33 pm |
| Zackman <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> spake thusly:
quote:
> The 360 went into production 69 days before launch IIRC. And Sony has
> readjusted their 2 million at launch to 2 million by the end of the
> calendar year. They'll be lucky if they can even make that tho.
My mistake! Sony is still claiming 2 million units at launch and 2 million
MORE by year's end, for a total of 4 million by the end of 2006.
"Unfortunately Kaz Hirai's comments in the recent GameSpot interview
regarding PLAYSTATION 3 production were misunderstood. We are still on
schedule to ship 2 million units for our mid-November 2006 launch and
additional 2 million units by the end of the year for a total of 4 million
units."
They're going to make 2 million units by mid-November when they're not even
in manufacturing yet? This should be interesting.
-Z-
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| Jordan 2006-08-23, 2:33 am |
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AirRaid 1500 wrote:
quote:
> sounds like PS3 isn't going into production until early September at
> the soonest. I don't know how the XXXX Sony is gonna come up with 2
> million units for worldwide launch in November.
Sony has always guessed they could do about 2 milllion a month. After
all they did promise 2 million by November then another 2 million by
the end of the year and an additional 2 million by March.
If they manage to pull that off they would be right around where the
360 is right now, but I think that's an over-estimate. Not just an
over-estimate, but I could easily see the Wii outselling the 360 and
PS3 by 2:1.
- Jordan
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| Unmutual 2006-08-23, 5:33 am |
| Jordan wrote:
quote:
> Unmutual wrote:
>
>
> It doesn't have to be a lie in the way that the Spring launch was a
> lie. It could simply be that he was either mis-informed (as the Sony
> CEO was when he said the PS3 would be $300 or $400) or mistranslated.
>
> It could simply mean that the plants aren't up to full production yet
> and are only producing a few hundred thousand units a month instead of
> the million or so they actually need.
>
> In any case, there's no reason to believe the statements coming from
> Sony are accurate.
>
> - Jordan
>
Well the HDMI 1.3 chip doesn't start production until October so there's
no way they're building full units at the moment.
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| Jeremy Reaban 2006-08-23, 5:33 am |
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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> TheGame <n0n0n0n0n0@excite.com> spake thusly:
>
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> The 360 went into production 69 days before launch IIRC. And Sony has
> readjusted their 2 million at launch to 2 million by the end of the
calendar
quote:
> year. They'll be lucky if they can even make that tho.
Well, it's not like Sony is a gigantic electronics manufacturing company or
anything...oh wait, they are. They aren't like MS who's main claim to fame
is leveraging a monopoly - presumably they have a pretty good idea of what
they can make in what time frame.
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| Li'l Slugger 2006-08-23, 7:35 pm |
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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> omarsexual@aol.com <omarsexual@aol.com> spake thusly:
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> Omar, you need to post more often. You are missed.
"omar" is too busy trying to blow up airplanes.
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| Zackman 2006-08-23, 7:35 pm |
| Jeremy Reaban <jer@connectria.com> spake thusly:
quote:
> Well, it's not like Sony is a gigantic electronics manufacturing
> company or anything...oh wait, they are.
Oh that's right, I forgot! No wonder PS2s were in such plentiful supply at
launch! Oh wait, they weren't.
-Z-
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| Unmutual 2006-08-23, 7:35 pm |
| Zackman wrote:
quote:
> Jeremy Reaban <jer@connectria.com> spake thusly:
>
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> Oh that's right, I forgot! No wonder PS2s were in such plentiful supply at
> launch! Oh wait, they weren't.
>
> -Z-
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And PSP's.
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| TheGame 2006-08-23, 7:35 pm |
| True. Sony now sez they will have 2 million ready by launch and another
2 million by the end of the year. Just how many facilities will be
making PS3s?? Thats alot of consoles to make in such a short time.
There is a learning curve when building these things too. Just ask M$.
M$ has 3 facilities and they still can only make about 600K 360s per
month (based on last quarters shipment of 1.8 million), which is pretty
embarassing. You'd think that by now they could make 1 million per
month.
Zackman wrote:
quote:
> The 360 went into production 69 days before launch IIRC. And Sony has
> readjusted their 2 million at launch to 2 million by the end of the calendar
> year. They'll be lucky if they can even make that tho.
>
> -Z-
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| TheGame 2006-08-23, 7:35 pm |
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Jordan wrote:
quote:
> Sony has always guessed they could do about 2 milllion a month. After
> all they did promise 2 million by November then another 2 million by
> the end of the year and an additional 2 million by March.
Yeah, like the spring 2006 launch, we will see that this is another lie
from sony ;-)
quote:
> Not just an over-estimate, but I could easily see the Wii outselling the 360 and
> PS3 by 2:1.
So you are saying N will have over 6 million sold this year? I ask that
because I expect 360 to sell about 3 million during Nov and Dec
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| SHALLOWTALBY 2006-08-23, 7:35 pm |
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TheGame wrote:
quote:
> Jordan wrote:
>
> Yeah, like the spring 2006 launch, we will see that this is another lie
> from sony ;-)
>
>
> So you are saying N will have over 6 million sold this year? I ask that
> because I expect 360 to sell about 3 million during Nov and Dec
They will make them like shelling peas. ask anyone who worked in
electronics manufacturing. They'll get to the end of the line only to
find someone forgot to order the Sony badges.
They'll phone the supplier who will say "Sony badges! They're on a 6
week lead time! - But I have loads of XBOX 360 Badges surplus to order
you can have tomorrow!"
SHALLOW
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| Mike O'Connor 2006-08-23, 11:34 pm |
| In article <1156364788.172766.26410@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"SHALLOWTALBY" <SHALLOWTALBY@AOL.COM> wrote:
quote:
> They will make them like shelling peas. ask anyone who worked in
> electronics manufacturing. They'll get to the end of the line only to
> find someone forgot to order the Sony badges.
> They'll phone the supplier who will say "Sony badges! They're on a 6
> week lead time! - But I have loads of XBOX 360 Badges surplus to order
> you can have tomorrow!"
Actually, Sony does tons of manufacturing, and they use the common
just-in-time method, getting parts inventory just before time of
manufacture, so they can probably make good estimates of how many
they'll have and when. But:
- Two million worldwide at launch will be short of demand for this
expensive but incredibly hyped device.
- It is in their interest to have a shortage at launch. The further out
they can push the making of a unit, the less they will lose on that
unit. And imagine the field day the papers would have if they weren't a
sellout in those first days!
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| knight37 2006-08-24, 7:34 pm |
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Mike O'Connor wrote:
quote:
> - It is in their interest to have a shortage at launch. The further out
> they can push the making of a unit, the less they will lose on that
> unit. And imagine the field day the papers would have if they weren't a
> sellout in those first days!
There might be some "marketing think" reason to have a shortage at
launch but in Reality Land that usually just means lost sales. If I
can't buy a PS3, I sure as XXXX can't buy any games for it, and games
are where they make their money.
Not that I'm forking over 600 bones for this overpriced
all-i-don't-need-in-one box.
Xmas 2007 earliest, mid-2008 latest for me.
Wii - fo sho on launch day for me. Already got a 360.
Knight37
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| Jordan 2006-08-24, 7:34 pm |
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Mike O'Connor wrote:
quote:
> Actually, Sony does tons of manufacturing, and they use the common
> just-in-time method, getting parts inventory just before time of
> manufacture, so they can probably make good estimates of how many
> they'll have and when.
According to Mitsubishi, Sony is going to have to reduce production by
half due to component shortages:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?o...d=3689&Itemid=2
Analyst Cuts PS3 Forecast in Half
By Staff
Mitsubishi UFJ Securities has cut its launch phase estimate of PS3
shipments from Sony's own estimate of 6 million to 3 million.
The move follows last week's clarification by Sony that it plans to
ship 4 million units before the end of this year followed by a further
two million by the end of its fiscal year.
The analyst said it does not believe Sony will be able to secure
sufficient quantities of parts for PS3, mirroring Microsoft's
difficulties late last year. Sony shares dipped 3.2 percent this
morning. Mitsubishi UFJ Securities analyst Masahiko Ishino said, "In
the medium term this [shortage] would mean that it would take longer
for Sony to recover its huge investment in PS3 and thus we are
downgrading the stock."
Source: Reuters
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| Mike O'Connor wrote:
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> - It is in their interest to have a shortage at launch.
Not in the case of the PS3 launch.
In the case of the 360, yes, shortages at launch were sort of good for
marketing and for showing the public that the 360 was a hot selling
product. For the PS3 it won't be a good thing at all because shoppers
now have a competing next-gen console they can buy so shortages in the
PS3 could translate into 360 purchases. Many people will be Christmas
shopping and want to walk out of the store with something.
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| TheGame 2006-08-24, 7:34 pm |
| Oookay... Who's on first? What's on second? Who's minding the store?
Are the inmates running the asylum? It seems like we are getting
different PS3 estimates almost every other day... Will PS3 even launch
this year..?
Jordan wrote:
quote:
> According to Mitsubishi, Sony is going to have to reduce production by
> half due to component shortages:
>
> http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?o...d=3689&Itemid=2
>
> Analyst Cuts PS3 Forecast in Half
> By Staff
> Mitsubishi UFJ Securities has cut its launch phase estimate of PS3
> shipments from Sony's own estimate of 6 million to 3 million.
>
> The move follows last week's clarification by Sony that it plans to
> ship 4 million units before the end of this year followed by a further
> two million by the end of its fiscal year.
>
> The analyst said it does not believe Sony will be able to secure
> sufficient quantities of parts for PS3, mirroring Microsoft's
> difficulties late last year. Sony shares dipped 3.2 percent this
> morning. Mitsubishi UFJ Securities analyst Masahiko Ishino said, "In
> the medium term this [shortage] would mean that it would take longer
> for Sony to recover its huge investment in PS3 and thus we are
> downgrading the stock."
>
> Source: Reuters
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