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Game Informer on PS3 and 360

TheGame

2006-08-20, 7:34 pm

Here are the things that I know for fact

Does the PS3 do textures poorly?
We were recently outnumbered by The Darkness' lead designer Jens
Anderson, art director Jens Matthies, and technical director Magnus
H=F6gdahl for a brief sit-down about the game. Learn how the comic-based
project came to fruition, what kind of Darkness powers will be in the
game, and how the team got former Faith No More singer Mike Patton to
sign on for voice work.

.. . .

GI: What do you like about working on the PS3? How about the Xbox 360?
Will there be any major differences between the two versions?

H=F6gdahl: So far the two versions look pretty much the same - quite
unsurprisingly, since we use the same shader source code and content
for both platforms. They will be identical gameplay-wise. There will
only be very minor cosmetic differences, such as the PS3 will have
better quality video for the in-game TVs and on the Xbox 360 we have a
bit more room for textures in memory.

http://www.gameinformer.com/Magazine...1042.51750.htm

The article is for GI Unlimited, so you need a subscription to read it.

After seeing many games and hearing from a Starbreeze developer about
The Darkness having more texture work on the 360 version... You need to
see these NEW FULL AUTO 2 PS3 screens and compare them to 360's FULL
AUTO.

I don't think the PS3 version looks better than the 360 version....
Just compare the ground textures alone, and the PS3 version is a launch
game so this is final code.

Exclusives
I would want at least 20 good exclusive PS3 games at the PS3's price to
justify getting the system. With the 360, I know that I'll have Halo 3,
Ninja Gaiden 2, Forza 2, Mass Effect, Fable 2, TOO HUMAN, Shadowrun,
Gears Of War... etc,

The PS3 exclusives have a lot of ??? as to how many... All I have seen
that looks interesting is a Cut-Scene of MGS4, that has shown ZERO
gameplay, while Gears of War has shown gameplay since E3 2005.

Online quality
We all should know by now how great Xbox Live is, but all I see for
Sony's PS3 is something like PSPs menu screen for the PS3... I want to
see online multiplayer aspects, and how good they are, but Sony has yet
to show anyone... I wonder why?

PC port quality
We (Xbox fans) will get many great 360 to PC or PC to 360 conversions
because the 360 has similar hardware .

F=2EE.A.R for the 360 & PS3

360
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f...802011340741.j=
pg

PS3 http://www.worthplaying.com/press/223/FEAR_PS3_05.jpg

The PS3 isn't Direct X capable, but instead uses Open GL... That's a
bad thing for PC ports to PS3. The 360 is a modified version of DX9
that utilizes most of DX10's abilities... like Unified shaders.

You'll see DX9/DX10 PC games look best on the 360.

Sony made the PS3 difficult to port games on purpose, (So that they get
the games developed first for PS3) However, it's not working out that
way and as a result it hurts the overall games graphics.

360 to PC tech is very similar, with some unique extras on 360's
side... like (In-order processing/10MB eDRAM Framebuffer/Unified
Shaders/MEMEXPORT) and some other things that the PC tech will
eventually catch up on, the PS3 tech is very different and this could
be why PC to console ports look much worse for Sony's system... Thank
Sony for that.

HD Discs for games
Useless... Unless they found a magical way to speed-up development time
4-fold. It now takes 3 or so years to develop less than 5 Gigs (Unless
HD CGI is added by another company)... Or they could add 4x the amount
of developers to the game project and cause game development costs to
explode over 100 MILLION to make for just one game.

Blu-Ray is a waste for games people... 15 to 20 Gig games is not going
to happen unless they use HD FMV & HD CGI =3D Movie Cut scenes... not
real game code.

So what makes the PS3 better than the 360?

Fritz

2006-08-20, 7:34 pm

> So what makes the PS3 better than the 360? The support of the most knowledgable fanboy in the world in Bligmerk!!!!!

PBDepot

2006-08-20, 7:34 pm

> So what makes the PS3 better than the 360?

It isn't run by Microsoft. Microsoft has been screwing people over for
years, and they seen intent on keeping that going with the 360 and soon
Windows Vista. Boy, I wish I could've seen the look on MS exec's faces
when they heard Sony's online service would be free. Aww, now they look
silly for charging for something that should have been free in the
first place.

Don't get me wrong, I have a 360, and I use Windows, but to blindly
proclaim MS's Xbox console as the one and only Next-Gen console to get?
Not a chance. Video Games would be ruined forever. Let MS take over as
leader in the console war and we'll all be playing PC ports and Doom 3
clones, and paying out the XXX for it. Yay!

I'm sure they will be some original games, the way MS is throwing money
around, buying up devolpers or exclusives(Gears of War etc..), but none
of those will ever come from MS. (Halo doesn't count. MS got lucky with
that one, and there's no way they would mess with that since their
console would not be nearly as popular without it. MS is greedy... but
not stupid.) In fact they're only doing this because Sony showed them
how to make a succesful console... that you can't just put trash out
there and expect the mainstream to eat it, like MS was trying to do
with the first Xbox.

I'll buy MS's stuff, if it's worth it... but proclaim them, he who's
just getting started in this business to take over from here on out.
You must be out of your bloody 'effin mind.

Zackman

2006-08-20, 11:34 pm

PBDepot <chuckb@paintball-depot.com> spake thusly:

quote:

> Boy, I wish I could've seen the look on MS exec's
> faces when they heard Sony's online service would be free.

I'm sure it was nothing compared to the gales of laughter from MS execs when
they found out the PS3 was going to be $600.

You could get four years of Xbox Live for the price difference between the
PS3 and 360. And until we see what Playstation Live has to offer, and
whether any third party publishers decide to charge for online play (because
they can if they want to), and what the quality of the connection is like,
it's premature to make a comparison.

BTW, how come Sony hasn't shown a headset for the PS3 yet? Free online play
is kind of useless if you can't also talk to the other players for free as
well.

-Z-

Zackman

2006-08-20, 11:34 pm

TheGame <n0n0n0n0n0@excite.com> spake thusly:

quote:

> Here are the things that I know for fact

Your latest trolling attempt aside, it is fascinating that yet another third
party developer is saying the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are basically equal.
Which means virtually all cross-platform games will look nearly the same on
both consoles, instead of looking noticably better like they did on the Xbox
vs. PS2. Which in turns means Sony has to sell the PS3 on exclusive games
alone, going up against an already robust slate of 360 exclusives. And one
or two good exclusives isn't going to do it, Sony needs half a dozen or more
to justify that price to all but the most hardcore fans and gamers.

I wonder if Krazy Ken sometimes wakes up in a cold sweat in the middle of
the night.

-Z-

Unmutual

2006-08-21, 5:37 am

PBDepot wrote:

quote:

>
> It isn't run by Microsoft. Microsoft has been screwing people over for
> years, and they seen intent on keeping that going with the 360 and soon
> Windows Vista.

Digital Rights Management? UMD? Blue-Ray????????

knight37

2006-08-21, 7:35 pm

PBDepot wrote:

quote:

>
> It isn't run by Microsoft. Microsoft has been screwing people over for
> years,

You mean like installing hidden rootkits on your PC? Oh, wait, that was
Sony.

Lets be honest here. Neither MS nor Sony has the public's best interest
at heart here. They're both in it to make as much money as possible, by
any means neccessary. It's not like either one is lilly white, pure as
the virgin snow.

The real question is, do you want to have the option of choosing
whichever HD format wins the war at some point in the future, either
HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, or do you want to be forced to subsidize Blu-Ray to
the tune of a $200 markup and be forced into buying a Blu-Ray player
just so Sony can make some kind of bizzarre claim about number of
installed players in the marketplace (regardless of the fact that 90%
of the people with them bought it to play GAMES)?

If MS really wanted to kick Sony in the balls they'd ditch the core and
start selling the premium package at $300 on November 17. $300 vs
$600. You do the math. Even as it is now, it's looking like you can get
a 360 AND a Wii for the same price as a PS3 this holiday season.

Knight37

TheGame

2006-08-21, 7:35 pm

knight37 wrote:

quote:

> Lets be honest here. Neither MS nor Sony has the public's best interest
> at heart here. They're both in it to make as much money as possible, by
> any means neccessary. It's not like either one is lilly white, pure as
> the virgin snow.

I agree. Personally I do not like either company. I prefer historically
game companies release consoles instead of greedy conglomerates ($ony)
and monopolists (M$). Its just too bad that it takes billions of
dollars to launch a console nowadays...

quote:

>
> If MS really wanted to kick Sony in the balls they'd ditch the core and
> start selling the premium package at $300 on November 17. $300 vs
> $600. You do the math.

I disagree. That would be a sign of desperation. It would also lower
the publics perception of 360. The right thing for M$ to do is have a
360/PGR3 bundle, which they should announce in sept/oct and a $100
price drop next spring/summer.

Perfect

2006-08-21, 7:35 pm

"PBDepot" <chuckb@paintball-depot.com> wrote in message
news:1156116408.405437.27670@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

quote:

>
> It isn't run by Microsoft.

Too bad. Thanks for pointing out the up-hill battle Microsoft's competition
will have.

PBDepot

2006-08-22, 11:33 pm

Zackman wrote:

quote:

> PBDepot <chuckb@paintball-depot.com> spake thusly:
>
>
> I'm sure it was nothing compared to the gales of laughter from MS execs when
> they found out the PS3 was going to be $600.

Proabably. I'm sure they had a HUGE grin on their faces.

quote:

> You could get four years of Xbox Live for the price difference between the
> PS3 and 360.

And after that four years. You're paying for the same exact service
that Sony is offering for free. Yay!

quote:

>And until we see what Playstation Live has to offer, and
> whether any third party publishers decide to charge for online play (because
> they can if they want to), and what the quality of the connection is like,
> it's premature to make a comparison.

True. But Xbox Live isn't all THAT either. I can name off game after
game I've had problems with. Connections, bugs etc... I can't imagine
Sony's service all that much worse.

quote:

> BTW, how come Sony hasn't shown a headset for the PS3 yet? Free online play
> is kind of useless if you can't also talk to the other players for free as
> well.

Oh, I'm sure they'll charge for it. It's not like I love the one that
came with the 360's all that much anyway. Had to go out and get a
better one, one that will probably work with my PS3. So what? These are
all just little squabbles that are mostly speculation and don't matter
that much. All that matters is if Sony can replacate Xbox's nice online
service and if they can get any extra use out of the Blu ray drive for
games. If they can't on either aspect, then yeah, Microsoft will
probably end up with the more popular console. Until then, it's all a
guess.

PBDepot

2006-08-22, 11:33 pm

Unmutual wrote:

quote:

> PBDepot wrote:
>
> Digital Rights Management? UMD? Blue-Ray????????

Please, you want to compare Sony's outrageous requirements against
MS's? It's not even close. MS as a company is a cunt. Sony is more of a
dick. And we all know what dicks do to cunts.

PBDepot

2006-08-22, 11:33 pm

knight37 wrote:

quote:

> PBDepot wrote:
>
> You mean like installing hidden rootkits on your PC? Oh, wait, that was
> Sony.
>
> Lets be honest here. Neither MS nor Sony has the public's best interest
> at heart here. They're both in it to make as much money as possible, by
> any means neccessary. It's not like either one is lilly white, pure as
> the virgin snow.

Exactly. That's why I don't understand fanboys. How can you profess
love for either of these two conglomerates.

quote:

> The real question is, do you want to have the option of choosing
> whichever HD format wins the war at some point in the future, either
> HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, or do you want to be forced to subsidize Blu-Ray to
> the tune of a $200 markup and be forced into buying a Blu-Ray player
> just so Sony can make some kind of bizzarre claim about number of
> installed players in the marketplace (regardless of the fact that 90%
> of the people with them bought it to play GAMES)?

Well, if it turns out that there's absolutely, 100% no doubt that the
Blu-ray drive does nothing special for Next gen games, then yes, Sony
would be using the PS3 only to force people into using their
proprietary format. Cause once you add in the price of the 360's
HD-DVD drive, the two consoles end up costing about the same.

All I know is that I want HD movies in some format of some kind, so one
of them is going to win and real soon. And if Sony is going to totally
back Blu-ray, then that's good enough for me. I've never had a problem
with a Sony product. My Sony TV works good. I've never had to replcae
my PSOne or PS2 (and I abuse them quite well). There's the UMD format,
which is sort of a bust. But you can't say they didn't support it. Just
look at how many Movies you can get out there for the PSP. So I really
see no reason to not trust Sony when they say their new Blu-Ray format
will at the very least compete with HD-DVD. (When I say Trust, I don't
mean blindly love the company like a good fanboy, just trusting that
they will do what they say they will.) If for some reason HD-DVD wins
out over all, well then Sony will have made a big mistake, and will
suffer greatly from that. And many people who bought a PS3 thinking
they would get a HD movie player and a game system will be pretty
ticked off. But this is all just speculation. I don't imagine Sony
wants to fail at this, so I'm sure we'll see pretty widespread support
for Blu-ray players.

It really is a tricky question of getting a PS3 that already has HD
playback, or making the choice and getting the add-on for the 360. The
360 at least gives you a choice. Sony made a mistake there. But at
least Sony is saying something in that they're going for a truley
next-gen upgrade with this console. Dedicated Harddrive and HD playback
out of the box. It's a nice attempt, and like I said before, I've never
really felt screwed by Sony like other poeple have, so I willing to
give them the benefit of the doubt and try another one of their well
made products.

quote:

> If MS really wanted to kick Sony in the balls they'd ditch the core and
> start selling the premium package at $300 on November 17. $300 vs
> $600. You do the math. Even as it is now, it's looking like you can get
> a 360 AND a Wii for the same price as a PS3 this holiday season.

True. But I already have a 360. As do many other people that wanted
one. Like people have said many times before... the market has changed.
There are a lot more older gamers out there now that can afford a
little more then they could when they were kids. This will change the
mass consumer buying habits in electronics, and will change the results
of what's affordable for them for their leisure time and how much
they're willing to spend to get something a little more advanced then
the kiddie systems.

So Sony is taking a risk with the kiddies and the higher price, but I
just don't think it'll be as devastating a blow as you think and will
probably work out better for them in the long run. And I'm not saying
I'm a out and out Sony fanboy, I like my 360, but with so many people
bashing Sony's new console, It makes me sick to think we could all be
living in a Microsoft Videogame world. Try having a little faith in the
company that redifined Video games for a older generation, and has
given us two very wonderful gaming machines. And has anyone ever
considered the fact that unlike Blu-ray and HD-DVD dics, both Sony and
Microsoft's gaming console will do well this generation. There doesn't
always have to be a clear cut winner. Not with consoles so similar in
value and technology. Just look at the Genesis and the SNES. I think
this battle will be very similar to that one and that we won't see
either company lose the war. More likely we'll see Microsoft gain a lot
of ground and Sony lose some for trying something new, and be pretty
even when we're done with it. No, the real war won't start till the end
of this gen and the beginning of the next one.

PBDepot

2006-08-22, 11:33 pm

Perfect wrote:

quote:

> "PBDepot" <chuckb@paintball-depot.com> wrote in message
> news:1156116408.405437.27670@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Too bad. Thanks for pointing out the up-hill battle Microsoft's competition
> will have.

And the fanboy runneth wild. Here's a clue for you, MS doesn't love you
like you do them. Either does Sony, but I don't see you having anal sex
with Sony. MS on the other hand is looking a little raw... :-P

TheGame

2006-08-23, 7:35 pm

Nice high school joke... (sarcasm). Let me hand you a clue: $ony is
hated as much as M$. Neither company can be trusted IMHO.

PBDepot wrote:

quote:

> Please, you want to compare Sony's outrageous requirements against
> MS's? It's not even close. MS as a company is a cunt. Sony is more of a
> dick. And we all know what dicks do to cunts.

PBDepot

2006-08-23, 7:35 pm

TheGame wrote:

quote:

> Nice high school joke... (sarcasm). Let me hand you a clue: $ony is
> hated as much as M$. Neither company can be trusted IMHO.

I know, sorry, twas a bad post. It seems you're right too, I didn't
realize just how much people hate Sony.