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>
> Shocking strategy by SONY. I for one will not fork out an arm and a leg
> for a PS3
>
> Link:
> http://tinyurl.com/dre93
>
>
> KUTARAGI JUSTIFIES PS3 PRICE TAG
>
> It'll cost you an arm and a leg but you'll never have to buy another
> Sony console again (for a while)
>
> 17:35 Ken Kutaragi has once again stated that gamers can expect a
> wallet-busting price point when Sony's PS2 successor hits the stores
> sometime next year.
>
> Speaking at the Playstation Meeting in Japan, Sony's president did
> however go some way to explaining exactly why the PS3 is likely to
> warrant all that extra overtime.
>
> Sony hopes that its next-gen console will have a ten year lifespan,
> meaning all that technical gubbins inside the machine is going to have
> to be pretty spiffy from the off, if games are going to look as good in
> 2016 as they will in 2006. Kutaragi explained, "We're currently
> shifting from standard TVs to HD TVs. But in the next couple of years,
> most flat-panel TVs will be full HD. We're releasing the PS3 with full
> HD features from the start so that consumers won't have to buy another
> version of the console in the future. For the same reason, we're using
> Blu-ray as the PS3's disc format."
>
>
> The outspoken Sony exec went on to admit that the company is aware the
> console's price is likely to be out of reach for the mass market
> initially but hopes the machine will be desirable enough to attract the
> hearts, and hard-earned cash, of hardcore fans at launch: "I'm aware
> that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price
> that's targeted towards households. I think everyone can still buy it
> if they wanted to."
>
> Whether Sony's predictions are right and its silver box is genuinely
> equipped to cater to gamers for the next decade remain to be seen.
> However, we'd kind of hoped that by 2016 we'd all have microchips in
> our heads, beaming virtual reality Mario 1280 holo-graphics down our
> nostrils.
>

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>
> "carrajo" <carrazola@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1122492861.491969.267880@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> So the PS2 came out at 400$ US IIRC, and I suppose this is a price that
> was
> targeted towards the common household, and now its supposed to be "out of
> reach of the mass market", so what price does that mean, 600, 700, maybe
> 1000?. Ok, does *anyone* see this as a positive move for Sony?, put
> yourself
> in the shoes of the average consumer (not hardcore gaming geeks like most
> of
> us in this NG) and ask yourself if you would consider buying a VIDEO GAME
> system for that price?. Sure the PS3 will be able to do more things than
> play games, but the average consumer doesn't know this or doesnt give a
> shit, to them its a video game system pure and simple.
>
> This kinda worries me, I love my xbox and all, but I dont want to see MS
> controlling the console world. Nintendo is pretty much dead already, and
> this move seems to me to be a "here MS, have our console crown please, we
> dont want it anymore" situation. Then again, this could be the opportunity
> Nintendo needs to get its market share back
>
> hrm..... so many thoughts, so many possibilities..... this generation is
> gonna be interesting for sure .
>
> Wurm

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> PS2 was $300 US at launch. It's possible that the PS3 will only be $400,
> but Kutaragi's comments lately are making me wonder just how expensive
> this uber-console is going to be.

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>I can't see buying just a video game machine at that price, but I could
> see buying a video game plus my first Blu-Ray device at that price...

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> Which raises an interesting question... I, like most of the people on
> this board, don't have a problem with owning multiple systems. If the
> PS3 supports Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 supports HD-DVD then what is that
> going to do to the movie market?

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> Any chance this is just a marketing ploy? Plant the seed that it's going
> to
> be very expensive so that the people raise in their heads the price they
> are
> willing to pay. Then when it comes out at $400 people will be more willing
> to purchase it.
>
> If they think from the start that it will cost $350, when it comes out at
> $400 they might hesitate and wait for the price to go down.
>
> Maybe Kutaragi took a class in reverse psychology.

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>
> "Rene Garcia" <rene1971@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:K6qdnUw9Lcp-anrfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...
>
> Maybe...but also maybe there is something 'lost in the translation'.

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> Which raises an interesting question... I, like most of the people on
> this board, don't have a problem with owning multiple systems. If the
> PS3 supports Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 supports HD-DVD then what is that
> going to do to the movie market?

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> There will be FOUR formats to release movies on, UMD (PSP), DVD,
> Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Because each will be entrenched on a different
> unique hardware platform it's going to be more difficult to weed out
> "the loser".

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> Previously with DVD and Divx it was easy, Divx was clearly the inferior
> format and it died a much deserved death, but with each of the 4 having
> plusses and minuses it's going to be a lot harder to have a format
> killer.

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>I can't see buying just a video game machine at that price, but I could
> see buying a video game plus my first Blu-Ray device at that price...
>
> Which raises an interesting question... I, like most of the people on
> this board, don't have a problem with owning multiple systems. If the
> PS3 supports Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 supports HD-DVD then what is that
> going to do to the movie market?
>
> There will be FOUR formats to release movies on, UMD (PSP), DVD,
> Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Because each will be entrenched on a different
> unique hardware platform it's going to be more difficult to weed out
> "the loser".
>
> Previously with DVD and Divx it was easy, Divx was clearly the inferior
> format and it died a much deserved death, but with each of the 4 having
> plusses and minuses it's going to be a lot harder to have a format
> killer.

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> lol, Sony's going the way of Atari.

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> Any chance this is just a marketing ploy? Plant the seed that it's going
> to
> be very expensive so that the people raise in their heads the price they
> are
> willing to pay. Then when it comes out at $400 people will be more willing
> to purchase it.
>
> If they think from the start that it will cost $350, when it comes out at
> $400 they might hesitate and wait for the price to go down.
>
> Maybe Kutaragi took a class in reverse psychology.

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> PS2 was $300 US at launch. It's possible that the PS3 will only be $400,
> but Kutaragi's comments lately are making me wonder just how expensive this
> uber-console is going to be.

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> I can't see buying just a video game machine at that price, but I could
> see buying a video game plus my first Blu-Ray device at that price...

quote:

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> Which raises an interesting question... I, like most of the people on
> this board, don't have a problem with owning multiple systems. If the
> PS3 supports Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 supports HD-DVD then what is that
> going to do to the movie market?

quote:

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> There will be FOUR formats to release movies on, UMD (PSP), DVD,
> Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Because each will be entrenched on a different
> unique hardware platform it's going to be more difficult to weed out
> "the loser".

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> Previously with DVD and Divx it was easy, Divx was clearly the inferior
> format and it died a much deserved death, but with each of the 4 having
> plusses and minuses it's going to be a lot harder to have a format
> killer.

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> If the
> PS3 supports Blu-Ray and the Xbox 360 supports HD-DVD then what is that
> going to do to the movie market?
>
> - Jordan

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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Raph <raphs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, when the PS2 was released in Japan, it was actually among the
> cheapest DVD players on the market. A lot of early PS2s DID get purchased
> by people wanting a DVD player - they could care less about the PS2 as a
> game console.
>
> I think Sony is hoping to repeat the process by putting Blu-Ray into the
> PS3. At $400, the PS3 certainly would be among the cheaper of the first
> gen. players we'll see in the US. However, it remains to be seen if
> people would be willing to buy the PS3 for this purpose, knowing that they
> could potentially be buying "Betamax 2.0" ;)
>
>

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> $400 is pretty expensive for something that's "just a game console."

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> "Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> writes:
>
> Well I think Sony's got slightly deeper pockets to wait for a comeback!

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>
> Still, maybe Kutaragi's on his way out. It's starting to look like he
> misjudged things badly.

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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Jordan <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe...but only if Blu-Ray was *THE* standard for next-gen DVD...
>
>
> Ugh. If that's the case, I won't buy any console until the standard war
> ends OR the machines' prices drop to something reasonable. I'm personally
> not looking forward to having to re-buy my library of DVDs on HD-DVD or
> Blu-Ray. And even when I do make the jump to the next generation of DVD,
> I'm most likely not going to depend on my game console, which brings me
> back to my original point - $400 is an awful lot of money for a game
> console.
>
>
> I doubt UMD will stick around very long. Who wants to spend $30(yes,
> Target charges $30 for new releases on UMD) for a lower quality copy of a
> movie when you can get the DVD for $15 or less?(yes, Target puts the UMD
> next to the DVD...) Sony's best hope for UMD is to create handheld UMD
> movie players and try to corner the growing handheld video market. Of
> course, the first thing they'll have to do is "fix" the PSP so that it no
> longer plays videos from memory sticks...

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>
> I suspect DVDs will continue to be produced for awhile simply because the
> players are so ubiquitous and cheap. Meanwhile, I don't think most
> consumers
> are going to go out and buy blu-ray or HD-DVD movies because they don't
> have the hardware to fully appreciate them (ie. HDTV), and honestly, who
> wants to be involved with another VHS vs. Betamax war? Do you really want
> to buy a Blu-Ray player AND a HD-DVD player and essentially gamble that
> half your library will be called "obsolete" when the standard is decided?
>
>
> Well, Divx came out after DVD, and was really just an add-on to the DVD
> standard. Throw in the fact that divx players were more expensive than
> equivelant DVD players, and silvering a divx disc was more expensive than
> buying the movie on DVD...and well, it wasn't surprising that it died such
> a horrible death.
>
> Had Divx come along BEFORE DVD was available, then things might have been
> very different. Though I suspect once DVD became available, people would
> have moved off of Divx quickly enough.

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> It's an HD-DVD player. The HD DVD standalone units are all quite
> expensive right now, so for that reason alone a lot of HD enthusiast are
> planning on buying it even if they aren't gamers (it's garnered a lot of
> attention on the HD forums I visit). For guys that spent a few grand on
> their HD systems, $400-500 for an HD DVD player would be nothing. The
> fact that it can play games is a bonus to that group.

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> I'm personally
> not looking forward to having to re-buy my library of DVDs on HD-DVD or
> Blu-Ray.

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>ends OR the machines' prices drop to something reasonable. I'm personally
>not looking forward to having to re-buy my library of DVDs on HD-DVD or
>Blu-Ray. And even when I do make the jump to the next generation of DVD,

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> We're releasing the PS3 with full HD features from the start
> so that consumers won't have to buy another version of the
> console in the future.

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> For the same reason, we're using
> Blu-ray as the PS3's disc format."

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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Raph <raphs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, when the PS2 was released in Japan, it was actually among the
> cheapest DVD players on the market. A lot of early PS2s DID get purchased
> by people wanting a DVD player - they could care less about the PS2 as a
> game console.
>
> I think Sony is hoping to repeat the process by putting Blu-Ray into the
> PS3. At $400, the PS3 certainly would be among the cheaper of the first
> gen. players we'll see in the US. However, it remains to be seen if
> people would be willing to buy the PS3 for this purpose, knowing that they
> could potentially be buying "Betamax 2.0" ;)

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> Jordan wrote:
>
> The last I heard, the xbox360 isn't going to support any HD format...
> only standard, current DVDs. Wasn't that the word from E3?
>
> I can assure you that if the PS3 sells 120 million units, as is
> currently predicted, Blu Ray WILL be the standard HD movie format.
> That's simply too many players for any studio to ignore.

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>
> "Miles Bader" <miles@gnu.org> wrote in message
> news:87hdef5345.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp...
>
> This isn't clear. Remember, essentially the only part of Sony that is
> making money is the Video Gaming unit. If they start losing money there,
> then the plug could be pulled VERY quickly....

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> I won't mind if the PS3 sells for $500 at launch.

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> Hell, the PS2 was selling on eBay for $600-800 in the first
> 2 months it was out.

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> Bottom feeder Bill Cable wrote:
>
>
> That's all very well and good for you, the rare animal who collects
> Star Wars crap, posts regularly to video game newsgroups, *and* has
> deep pockets <----- funny!

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> ...but there's a lot of parents and casual gamers who will balk at a
> price tag hanging from a TOY with that number on it.

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>
> Do the words "artificial shortage" ring a bell? The PS2 was, like, only
> the most highly anticipated toy of the last gazillion decades, its hype
> machine soon to be engulfed by that of the PS3.

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> Hillybilly J. Duncequeer wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Actually, the words were "legitimate shortage," since the retail supply
> clearly could not meet demand. I do expect there to be a comparable
> level of excitement over the PS3. Though this launch won't coincide
> with Christmas, so we might actually avoid a shortage. Who knows? But
> I'm just saying that if the PS2 was selling for $600+ through the
> secondary market 5 years ago, there's no reason to think the PS3
> wouldn't sell for $500 at retail even without desperate Christmas
> shoppers.
>

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> --
> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
> cable@creaturecantina.com
>

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>
> Shocking strategy by SONY. I for one will not fork out an arm and a leg
> for a PS3
>
> Link:
> http://tinyurl.com/dre93
>
>
> KUTARAGI JUSTIFIES PS3 PRICE TAG
>
> It'll cost you an arm and a leg but you'll never have to buy another
> Sony console again (for a while)
>
> 17:35 Ken Kutaragi has once again stated that gamers can expect a
> wallet-busting price point when Sony's PS2 successor hits the stores
> sometime next year.
>
> Speaking at the Playstation Meeting in Japan, Sony's president did
> however go some way to explaining exactly why the PS3 is likely to
> warrant all that extra overtime.
>
> Sony hopes that its next-gen console will have a ten year lifespan,
> meaning all that technical gubbins inside the machine is going to have
> to be pretty spiffy from the off, if games are going to look as good in
> 2016 as they will in 2006. Kutaragi explained, "We're currently
> shifting from standard TVs to HD TVs. But in the next couple of years,
> most flat-panel TVs will be full HD. We're releasing the PS3 with full
> HD features from the start so that consumers won't have to buy another
> version of the console in the future. For the same reason, we're using
> Blu-ray as the PS3's disc format."
>
>
> The outspoken Sony exec went on to admit that the company is aware the
> console's price is likely to be out of reach for the mass market
> initially but hopes the machine will be desirable enough to attract the
> hearts, and hard-earned cash, of hardcore fans at launch: "I'm aware
> that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price
> that's targeted towards households. I think everyone can still buy it
> if they wanted to."
>
> Whether Sony's predictions are right and its silver box is genuinely
> equipped to cater to gamers for the next decade remain to be seen.
> However, we'd kind of hoped that by 2016 we'd all have microchips in
> our heads, beaming virtual reality Mario 1280 holo-graphics down our
> nostrils.
>

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> "bbodin" <nospam!bbodin@airmail.net> wrote in message news:qkXFe.1509
>
>
>
>
> That only makes sense if it is superior to the stand alone units. Is it
> going to be the ONLY Blu-Ray system out, at the time? That would make
> getting content for it rather hard/expensive. I seriously doubt it will be
> as good as a dedicated system. There's a HUGE difference in quality between
> a PS2 and a mid-range DVD player. Same will probably be true of the PS3.

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> So let's see. BluRay players aren't available yet.. Neither is the PS3,
> but already you *seriously doubt* that the PS3 player will be worse than
> the dedicated player, yet you haven't seen either? Careful miss, your bias
> is showing! lol

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> One thing is for sure, the PS3 will look 10,000 times better as a HDTV
> player than the XB or Revolution as they both use DVD the same as the PS2!
> lol

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> See what Ken K meant when he said that the XB360 isn't competition for the
> PS3, but the PS2? Can you also see why he said that the PS3 could last 2
> generations?

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> IE You'll have to wait until the next gen to get HDTV quality footage from
> either the XB 360Mk2 or Revolution 2.

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> BTW as the MS troll Zackman would say.. Riddle me this.

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> People have slammed Sony for the Killzone 2 etc., demo's and called them
> pre-rendered video as the quality of the footage, just couldn't be
> realtime right? Now as Sony were displaying these on massive screens and
> Sony were keen to show off the PS3's HDTV quality just what *video* media
> were they using? Had to be BluRay right?

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> Ergo, you've already SEEN the quality of the BluRay drive in the PS3,
> either that or the *video* was a real-time pre-scripted demo.

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> Your choice, Answer here->
>
> Hmmmm.. Is that a pin I hear dropping?.. Or a penny? Or is it the sound of
> Fred trying to tapdance around being caught saying anything positive about
> Sony! lol

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> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
> news:11eg67ifqgcbh22@corp.supernews.com...

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[vbcol=seagreen]
> It's an HD-DVD player. The HD DVD standalone units are all quite expensive
> right now, so for that reason alone a lot of HD enthusiast are planning on
> buying it even if they aren't gamers (it's garnered a lot of attention on
> the HD forums I visit). For guys that spent a few grand on their HD
> systems, $400-500 for an HD DVD player would be nothing. The fact that it
> can play games is a bonus to that group.

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> I suspecct that the problem is that the price will not be $400...I am
> putting my bet on $5oo minimum (ok, $499, but who is counting :-) ). If that
> is the case, then this will be the first console since the PS1 that I do not
> buy at launch. It isn't clear that I would be willing to spend $400 on a
> console.

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> I doubt the number of people waiting for Blu-Ray is as anywhere near as high
> as the number who were looking for DVD back then, though. Especially in
> Japan, where HDTV penetration is miniscule. The jump from 480p to HDTV is
> not nearly as impressive as the jump from VHS to DVD was, and the disks will
> probably cost significantly more and will take a while before they are
> widely available for a lot of movies. It should be popular among
> enthusiasts, but is a much tougher sell to the general population.

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> The last I heard, the xbox360 isn't going to support any HD format...
> only standard, current DVDs. Wasn't that the word from E3?

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>"El Guapo" <plethora@pinatas.com> wrote
>
>
>High price will kill it as a mass consumer, no doubt, just like the NeoGeo.
>High console price = high game prices, as well, due to lower penetration.

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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Bill Cable <cable@creaturecantina.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, but there are rumors that later versions of the 360 WILL come with
> HD-DVD (as in the competing standard) drives. If true, then I'll just
> wait for these newer units to come out.

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>
> Doug Jacobs wrote:
>
> Man... why would microsoft even CONSIDER doing that??!! So what... two
> years down the road they'll be releasing every game in both DVD and
> HD-DVD formats?? Or will all games just be DVD and the HD-DVD will act
> as a movie player? If they release games in both formats, will there
> be any price difference?
>
> Microsoft is just shooting themselves in the foot by rushing this
> product to market. Another 6 months and EVERY 360 could have had an
> HD-DVD player.

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> All new formats start off expensive. The advantage Blu Ray will have
> with the PS3 is that it'll encourage more manufacturers to produce Blu
> Ray disks, which will in turn reduce their production costs. And there
> will be significant demand for a high definition format as more and
> more HDTVs make their ways into people's homes. I plan to get an HDTV
> next spring, and really can't wait to watch some Blu Ray movies on it.
> What Sony is doing is actually quite smart.

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> "Me" <mark.el@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:P1dGe.12957$Oe4.254@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
>
> You're quite ignorant if you think otherwise, so you might want to keep your
> wittle mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about, son.

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>
>
> What was that about bias?

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>
>
> Because he's a raving nut, obviously.

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> http://playstation2-linux.com/faq.p...s_are_supported

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>
>
> lol. Resolution != Quality.

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>
>
> lol. Blind leading the blind.

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>
>
> You can put High Def footage on a CD,

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> http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#3.1

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>moron.

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>
>
> Your premise is fatally flawed.

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The only time I asked for a straight answer, you couldn't give it to
me! Just danced around it! lol
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Like I said, son, keep your mouth shut. You're just making a fool of
> yourself.

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> So, at least you can see the rationale behind Sony's inclusion of Blu-Ray,
> but I can't see how including HD-DVD would similarly help Microsoft. They
> don't have a big movie division that would like to make people pay again for
> movies they already own on DVD; they don't manufacture HD-DVD players; they
> don't manufacture HDTV sets; they don't have a vested interest in a new
> storage format.

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> [Blu-Ray drives] can transfer data much more quickly.

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> Bill Cable wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The drive in a PS3 dev kit, and presumably the final product, is 1x,
> comparatively slower than the HD-DVD drive that will ship with the
> X360.

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> El Guapo wrote:
>
> The benefit is that it's a format that can store more data. It can
> transfer data much more quickly. It makes the console capable of
> playing HD movies. I mean, it's the same advantage as putting in the
> most capable video card available into a console. As it stands, the
> PS3 has a HUGE advantage over the 360 in capabilities due to its
> ability to use HD media. The 360 can broadcast in 1080i resolution,
> but it can't play a movie at that native resolution, and any game that
> chooses to take advantage of that resolution will likely require
> multiple discs.

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> Bill Cable wrote:
>
>
> The drive in a PS3 dev kit, and presumably the final product, is 1x,
> comparatively slower than the HD-DVD drive that will ship with the
> X360.

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> PS3 has a HUGE advantage over the 360 in capabilities due to its
> ability to use HD media. The 360 can broadcast in 1080i resolution,
> but it can't play a movie at that native resolution, and any game that
> chooses to take advantage of that resolution will likely require
> multiple discs.

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>
> Lol.. You aren't very good at this are you gramps?

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> I AM keeping my mouth shut

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>
> Which Display Resolutions are supported ?
>
> * NTSC/PAL interlaced and non-interlaced
> * DTV 480P, 720P and 1080I modes
> * VESA modes 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 at 60/75 Hz
> =========================================
> [*The PS2 doesn't support HDTV* .. Now who said that? Wasn't it you in
> the *PS2 Video connection choices* thread? So let's see you can
> predict the FUTURE as to how good the PS3's BluRay quality will be,
> but you haven't a frigging clue about the PS2's capability for many
> years _PAST_! lol ]

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>
> Actually no it doesn't gramps, resolution is simply that, resolution.

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> Every computer ever made which needs/uses human interaction has
> resolution you can get high resolution but poor
> quality if the resolution doesn't have bitdepth. And you can also get
> high definition but still end up with poor quality
> [ie low framerate as the media isn't streaming fast enough].

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> Only the PS2 actually uses true high resolution, as the PC/GC/ XB /DC etc
> all used PC graphics cards and the PC cannot handle true high resolution
> graphics at least not via Windows [95-XP].

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> Do the maths, Win 95-XP are 16/32bit multitasking OS's so if it were
> talking to a GPU which was using TRUE 24 bit maths/ instructions, this
> would only leave 32-24=8bits for the OS. The little 32bit XB actually uses
> 8:1 compression which means it's only 1/8th the quality of the real thing.
> The PS2 is a 128bit machine so there's no problem there! Although when you
> DO have a quality screen as polygons are being used the *jaggies* are that
> much more noticable!

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> All digital medias also use compression, so the first thing that gets
> sacrificed is true high resolution and bitdepth. This is *similar* to what
> the 8bit computers did. They would take a 256x192 resolution and use an
> 8x8 matrix to reduce it to a 32x24 display. This meant that instead of
> having (256*212)=54272 memory addresses to save to disk, there were 32x24=
> 768 memory addresses, so basically you reduced a 12-16K screen to less
> than 1K. Go take a look at Ditital screens when they break up, they break
> up into blocks rather than giving a *snowy* effect seen in VHS etc, which
> did use a true resolution. As does analogue TV.
> [NB: Please note I said *similar* the way modern tiles work involves
> storing 4[example] pixel colour values in a single tile/memory address and
> usinling logical maths ops [AND/ OR/NOT/ whatever] to create a fake
> pallette. If for example you use a 4x1 tile, this would reduce a 640
> resolution to 160 resolution, this is 4:1 compression. If you're using a
> 12bit number to create a 24bit pallette, this increases it to 6:1
> compression .. Still a little way to go to achieve the XB's 8:1
> compression eh?]

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> BTW I recently saw your post on the DS/ touch screen and how you
> equated it to an analogue stick. A screen has a resolution which is
> absolute and analogue stick creates a relative resolution owing to
> movement [ie +1/-1 values relating to it's relative position].
> Absolute and relative are total opposites!

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>
> Of course you can <rolls eyes>,

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> that's how come we didn't need to upgrade to DVD to improve SDTV footage
> and why all that R&D put into BluRay and HD DVD was such a waste of
> time and money right?

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> A few facts Rip van.
>
>
>
> BluRay stores 25GB of data for a single layer disk and 50GB for dual
> layer [HD DVD is 15 and 30GB for single /dual layered respectively]
> this compares to DVD's 4.7GB single and 9.4GB Dual. A CD stores what?
> 800MB? BluRay streams data @ 54Mbs DVD streams at 11.1 Mbs. A single
> layer BluRay disk stores 2Hours of HDTV quality footage or 13hours of
> SDTV quality footage.
>
> See the problem my favourite little senile citizen? BluRay has to run
> almost 5 times as fast as DVD to be able to stream the higher
> definitioned pics to the screen. All CD could manage was VCD which was
> only on par with VHS and is 352x240 pixels (NTSC) or 352x288 pixels
> (PAL). Hardly HDTV eh?

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> With the XB360, Revolution using the same format, things are going to
> be evened out quite a bit. But that won't apply to PS3 games now will
> it? Developer will get used to the larger storage and will face the
> same problems as with the GC. Either they strip the game down to a
> bare minimum losing FMV and sound/music, or they'll use the 3 disk
> method and the *Insert Disk 3* <loading> *Insert game disk 1* scenario
> that we all *loved* with CD ROM, or they'll say XXXX it!

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>
> Well, it isn't me who thinks you can stream HDTV quality footage from
> CD ROM.. Didn't HD _DVD_ give you just a little clue genius? Lol.

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>
> Because....?

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>
> Damn, why didn't you tell me sooner, I wouldn't have had to go through all
> this typing and explaining stuff,

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> Seems I was right though, the penny didn't drop and you tapdanced around
> saying anything positive about Sony! lol
> No answers just tapdancing, there's no fool like an old fool eh. btw
> how's Ginger doing?
>
> BTW if you have nothing to contribute other than one liners, insults
> and tapdancing, please feel free to ignore this post.

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> I have been
> brought up to respect my elders, so don't take too much pleasure in
> any of this, but you know us kids, we do find it awfully hard to keep our
> *wittle mouths shut*. Then again, we do get bored easily especially by old
> clowns, so take a chance and reply in your normal way as us kids do have
> far more interesting things to do. Chores, homework, getting each other
> pregnant, sniffing glue, mugging old ladies.. It's a full life eh.

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> BTW as the MS troll Zackman would say.. Riddle me this.

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>
> The XB360 drive is DVD not HD DVD, that's why the XB360 is much cheaper to
> produce than the PS3 [old technology and all that] and one of the reasons
> why Kataragi is justifying the PS3's price tag. IE It's the only true next
> gen machine with next gen storage.

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> As for being slower, BluRay streams @ 54Mbs as opposed to DVD's 11.1Mbs ..
> Also the 2x/ 4x of CD Rom/DVD etc refers to the seek time, not read time.

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> Me wrote:
>
> You're a XXXXing idiot.

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[vbcol=seagreen]
> Man... why would microsoft even CONSIDER doing that??!! So what... two
> years down the road they'll be releasing every game in both DVD and
> HD-DVD formats?? Or will all games just be DVD and the HD-DVD will act
> as a movie player? If they release games in both formats, will there
> be any price difference?

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> Microsoft is just shooting themselves in the foot by rushing this
> product to market. Another 6 months and EVERY 360 could have had an
> HD-DVD player.

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> The drive in a PS3 dev kit, and presumably the final product, is 1x,
> comparatively slower than the HD-DVD drive that will ship with the
> X360.

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> Bilgecunt obsessed:
>
> <snip>
>
> You keep us scarily in stitches, Bilge. Why not achieve your ultimate
> Comic Relief moment and share with the audience how old you are? If
> you've eclipsed your teens it'd probably be a good idea to Logan Run
> your XXX and relieve the backwater burg of Kennewick, WA, of a
> crackpot. You make Charles Doane and Michael Jackson combined look
> sensible by comparison.

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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Hillybilly J. Duncequeer
> <bjd@com.net.org> wrote:
>
>
> That's blu-ray 1x, right? Just like DVD 1x was something like CD 8x?
>
> It's still going to be significantly faster than what the DVD drive can
> do.

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> the xflop 1.5 full circle

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> The xflop 1.5 full circle

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> the xflop 1.5 developers

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> the xflop 1.5 full circle

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> The xflop 1.5 full circle

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> I can assure you that if the PS3 sells 120 million units, as is
> currently predicted, Blu Ray WILL be the standard HD movie format.

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> It is always humorous...

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> ...to see when you have openly demonstrated you are a
> technical dumbass...

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> ...and are unable to rationalize being such a total dumbass...

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> ...so you can only fall back on extremely irrational, unrelated
> and unconnected character associations making you look like more
> of a dumbass.

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> BTW, who the hell is Charles Doane?

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> That is twice you have made this vague association...

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> Duncequeer, how appropriate.

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> Besides, a more
> 'powerful' console does not beget better quality games. You, however,
> behave as though the inverse was true, despite the bucketload of
> evidence proving contrary.

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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Hillybilly J. Duncequeer
> <bjd@com.net.org> wrote:
>
>
> That's blu-ray 1x, right? Just like DVD 1x was something like CD 8x?
>
> It's still going to be significantly faster than what the DVD drive can
> do.

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> I know it's hard to tell because he's back to pushing the PS3 but
> Bligmerk is more of an elitist PC fanboy than he is a Playstation
> fanboy. The only thing
> that matters to elitist PC fanboys is graphics.

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> "Me" <mark.el@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:o_RGe.22071$Hd4.15943@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
>
> Oi vay.
>
>
>
>
> Obviously....

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>
>
> What PS2 game use