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bootl3g@gmail.com

2005-07-13, 8:31 pm

I havent played online on my ps2 in a while so I had forgotten how bad
it is to play online. I picked up NCAA 06 yesterday and played a few
games with the headset.

Out of the say 20 games or so I played, whenever I would win over half
the people I played and beat started using racial slurs and insults at
the end of the game if they lost. When I unplugged the headset, people
would type them in chat mode made that they lost.

Nevermind, I barely talked (sometimes I never spoke at all) at the end
of the game people who lost always resorted to spamming racial slurs
when they lost. (Even if they didnt know my race) Mind you these arent
13 year olds these are grown men.

Why do people do this? Is this a reflection of how racist our society
is or are people just mad they lost and cant think of anything better
to say so they do this to try and make themselves feel better?

Way to use racism to cover up your shortcomings losers.

I will continue to kick XXX and take names so sling your insults. just
remember:

What does it say about YOU if you lose to a person who you think is so
inferior???

Doesnt that make you less than zero???

Fred Liken

2005-07-13, 8:31 pm

<bootl3g@gmail.com> wrote
quote:

> Why do people do this? Is this a reflection of how racist our society
> is or are people just mad they lost and cant think of anything better
> to say so they do this to try and make themselves feel better?


No, our society is actually doing quite well in that respect. Actual racism
is pretty hard to find.

Those people probably aren't even racists. The reason they use those words,
etc, is because of the weight they are given by those called them. Most
people could care less if you said the f word, but the n word and everyone
gets a rise, even if your race isn't known. Just the last actual thing
someone can say to get a rise out of anyone now a days.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-14, 12:30 am


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d5a8b1$0$452$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> <bootl3g@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
> No, our society is actually doing quite well in that respect. Actual
> racism is pretty hard to find.


Only if your head is tucked clearly up your XXX.
quote:

>
> Those people probably aren't even racists. The reason they use those
> words, etc, is because of the weight they are given by those called them.
> Most people could care less if you said the f word, but the n word and
> everyone gets a rise, even if your race isn't known. Just the last actual
> thing someone can say to get a rise out of anyone now a days.
>


So that makes it ok? Its official, you are a dumb XXX.


Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 12:30 am

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> "Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
>
> Only if your head is tucked clearly up your XXX.


Nice content. Thanks for the insight.
quote:

>
> So that makes it ok? Its official, you are a dumb XXX.


Where did you get that idea from? Not sure where I said that.

It's official, you're simply bent on me and incapable of actually being
civil.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
> Nice content. Thanks for the insight.


Thanks for the bullshit statement that "racism is pretty hard to find". I
know plenty of people for who racism is quite easy to find. I know plenty
of people or environments who feel it is ok speak negatively of certain
ethnic groups (mainly Asian and Latino) because there is no one of that
particular group around "to be offended". Of everything you have ever
said, that statement was by far the most idiotic.
quote:

>
>
> Where did you get that idea from? Not sure where I said that.


"The reason they use those words, etc, is because of the weight they are
given by those called them."

So the "n word" is only offensive because black people give it "weight"? So
what you are saying is, if that particular group stopped reacting so severly
to the word, it would somehow not be offensive to anyone?

This statement is where I got that idea from. You are basically saying its
just a word and if it weren't for black people treating as more than such,
it would be received much in the same way we receive "shit" or "damn"
quote:

>
> It's official, you're simply bent on me and incapable of actually being
> civil.


I am civil quite a bit. For once I can say you deserve anything I can think
of saying to you for making that asinine statement and then trying to turn
it around like it is I who has the problem.


don

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm



bootl3g@gmail.com wrote:
quote:

> Why do people do this? Is this a reflection of how racist our society
> is or are people just mad they lost and cant think of anything better
> to say so they do this to try and make themselves feel better?


Doesn't it figure that poor losers would also be bigots? It doesn't
matter how old they are if they can't lose gracefully, they're big
babies anyway.
Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> Thanks for the bullshit statement that "racism is pretty hard to find". I
> know plenty of people for who racism is quite easy to find.


That's not content.
quote:

> I know plenty of people or environments who feel it is ok speak negatively
> of certain ethnic groups (mainly Asian and Latino) because there is no one
> of that particular group around "to be offended".


Like what/where?
quote:

> Of everything you have ever said, that statement was by far the most
> idiotic.


Only to people who are governed more by emotion than logic.
quote:

>
> "The reason they use those words, etc, is because of the weight they are
> given by those called them."
>
> So the "n word" is only offensive because black people give it "weight"?


Where did I say that? White people give it weight too. And, yes, it is
only offensive if people give it weight. It's the definition of offensive,
my friend.
quote:

> So what you are saying is, if that particular group stopped reacting so
> severly to the word, it would somehow not be offensive to anyone?


That's the definition of the word offensive. Look it up.
quote:

> This statement is where I got that idea from. You are basically saying
> its just a word and if it weren't for black people treating as more than
> such, it would be received much in the same way we receive "shit" or
> "damn"


Obviously.
quote:

>
> I am civil quite a bit. For once I can say you deserve anything I can
> think of saying to you for making that asinine statement and then trying
> to turn it around like it is I who has the problem.


You're the only one in a hissy. Grow up.


don

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm



Fred Liken wrote:
quote:

> No, our society is actually doing quite well in that respect. Actual racism
> is pretty hard to find.


I think there is as much racism today as ever only people don't air
their views in public as much as they used to.
MS#1Fanboy-JoJo

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

In article <42d6738e$0$84112$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
nothanks@toocoolforschool.com says...
quote:

>
>"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
>That's not content.
>
>
>Like what/where?
>
>
>Only to people who are governed more by emotion than logic.
>
>
>Where did I say that? White people give it weight too. And, yes, it is
>only offensive if people give it weight. It's the definition of offensive,
>my friend.
>
>
>That's the definition of the word offensive. Look it up.



So lets all just shut up about the "n word" and go back to civil war times
when it was ok to call black people the "n word" and then everything will be
ok. LMAO!!! Spoken like a true racist Fred. "W" would be proud of ya!

Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

"don" <don@no.spam> wrote
quote:

>
> Doesn't it figure that poor losers would also be bigots? It doesn't
> matter how old they are if they can't lose gracefully, they're big
> babies anyway.


I could see if it was a game of Age of Empires, or something, where you've
invested quite a bit of time in the game just to lose, to get a bit upset,
but a sports game? That's so trivial.


MS#1Fanboy-JoJo

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

In article <42D66D1E.79F0540C@no.spam>, don@no.spam says...
quote:

>
>
>
>bootl3g@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>Doesn't it figure that poor losers would also be bigots? It doesn't
>matter how old they are if they can't lose gracefully, they're big
>babies anyway.



Holy smokes he just described Fred. Hey Fred have you sold any more of those
"Wake Up White America" tapes yet?

Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

"don" <don@no.spam> wrote in message news:42D66FEA.27175AFF@no.spam...
quote:

>
> I think there is as much racism today as ever only people don't air
> their views in public as much as they used to.


Blacks couldn't even vote 40 years ago. Segregation was prevalent. It's
not even close.


Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
quote:

>
> So lets all just shut up about the "n word" and go back to civil war times
> when it was ok to call black people the "n word" and then everything will
> be
> ok. LMAO!!! Spoken like a true racist Fred. "W" would be proud of ya!


No one's impressed.


Boody Bandit

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm


"don" <don@no.spam> wrote in message news:42D66FEA.27175AFF@no.spam...
quote:

>
>
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
racism[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I think there is as much racism today as ever only people don't air
> their views in public as much as they used to.


Exactly


Brenden D. Chase

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d676b4$0$84132$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
>
>
> No one's impressed.
>


I wasnt impressed, but i did laugh.

I think Racism in Online gaming IS a big issue, even though you down play
it. I think its easier for people to show how they really feel when there
isnt someone of that race standing in front of them ready to kick their XXX
for saying whatever word they used. However, i think its wrong for african
americans, blacks, caucasions, whites... whatever you want to call someone
to be PC about it... i think its wrong for people to continue to use words
within their groups... and think its ok. Yes it is just a word, but its a
word that carries alot of "weight" just because of its origin, not because
of how people react to it.

If only people made the same stink about the word Picnic... look that up and
find out where that came from...

I'm black... well partially, part native american. I left using the N word
back in highschool. i grew up. Some people dont have that ability. I avoid
them. I think deep down, there is a racial underbelly in the world. Its
dying off... but its still there.

To agree with you to some extent. I used to get offended playing SOCOM and
all those guys on there using the n word. Its not worth getting upset over i
guess. I've got better things to do. And hopefully, the person using it
realizes this and finds that its not worth using, because its not ringing
the same bell anymore.


Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

"Brenden D. Chase" <brenden.chaseREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote
quote:

> I think Racism in Online gaming IS a big issue, even though you down play
> it.


Why? What does it do?
quote:

> I think its easier for people to show how they really feel when there isnt
> someone of that race standing in front of them ready to kick their XXX for
> saying whatever word they used.


That's true, but I seriously doubt they actually feel that way. 99% at
least.
quote:

> Yes it is just a word, but its a word that carries alot of "weight" just
> because of its origin, not because of how people react to it.
>
> If only people made the same stink about the word Picnic... look that up
> and find out where that came from...


Of course its origin matters in how it is reacted too. But, honestly, it
didn't have a negative cognotation until after it was in use, just like
"black" or "afro-american". It's less its origin than it is how people
react.
quote:

> I'm black... well partially, part native american. I left using the N word
> back in highschool. i grew up. Some people dont have that ability. I avoid
> them.


Then Mattinglyfan and his ilk feel you are a racist. Ironic, no?
quote:

> I think deep down, there is a racial underbelly in the world. Its dying
> off... but its still there.


Honestly, I'd be hard pressed to find it, now a days. Honest racism.
Simply race based biasness, other than affirmative action, which is
technically racism, but IMHO still is something that America benefits from.
I do see some people that cry "racism" when they are just being assholes to
begin with, though. Has nothing to do with race. I honestly don't see it.
I also live where there might not be much to see, even though we have quite
a mix of races. Maybe that's why we don't see it, because we do have
interactions with many races.

Even people that complain about Mexicans, that someone was talking about,
aren't complaining about Hispanics, but rather Mexicans.
quote:

> To agree with you to some extent. I used to get offended playing SOCOM and
> all those guys on there using the n word. Its not worth getting upset over
> i guess. I've got better things to do.


There's nothing to be gained from it. I'd seriously doubt they'll even have
a chance to affect your life in any significant way, like not hire you, etc,
if that's how they act.
quote:

> And hopefully, the person using it realizes this and finds that its not
> worth using, because its not ringing the same bell anymore.


That's my point. They use that because it's about the only way they can get
a rise out of anyone now a days.


MS#1Fanboy-JoJo

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

In article <42d676b4$0$84132$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
nothanks@toocoolforschool.com says...
quote:

>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
>
>
>No one's impressed.
>
>

I have a feeling that the only way to impress you would be a new double wide
in Pine Hurst Estates in Austin Texas.

Fred Liken

2005-07-14, 8:32 pm

"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7wBBe.8848$Eo.2887@fed1read04...
quote:

> I have a feeling that the only way to impress you would be a new double
> wide
> in Pine Hurst Estates in Austin Texas.


Your ad hominem attacks don't help your argument.


MS#1Fanboy-JoJo

2005-07-15, 12:30 am

In article <42d6eb33$0$84143$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
nothanks@toocoolforschool.com says...
quote:

>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:7wBBe.8848$Eo.2887@fed1read04...
>
>
>Your ad hominem attacks don't help your argument.
>
>


LMAO!!! "ad hominem"....LMAO some more. This was not an attack by the way. I
must of hit close to home for you to consider this an attack.

Mattinglyfan

2005-07-15, 12:30 am


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d6b16d$0$84096$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Brenden D. Chase" <brenden.chaseREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote
>
>
> Why? What does it do?


It detracts from the average person's gaming experience because they go
online to play games and not to hear crap like that. Haven't you ever been
in a group of women who sit around and talk crap about men? Doesn't that
make you uncomfortable even though you may not be any of the things they are
describing about men? What if you were in a group of black guys who talked
about white guys who can't dance or white women with flat asses? They may
not think what they are saying is malicious or offensive but as long as one
person in the group does, it should be at least looked upon as potentially
being offensive. Now pretend you are in that same situation but know you
are at a table with 7 guys in a bar and they are all 260+ and some of them
are talking about doing really foul and dirty stuff to your
girlfriend/wife/mother. That is online gaming. You can either just accept
what they are saying and keep doing what you were doing or leave and go to
another table because the fact of the matter is there is NOTHING you can do
to make them stop. I think your mentality comes from being one of the guys
at the table that isn't saying anything negative about the person's
wife/girlfriend/mother but they are also not having anything said about
their own wives/girlfriends/mothers.
quote:

>
>
> That's true, but I seriously doubt they actually feel that way. 99% at
> least.


I don't go around calling women "bitches" or making anti-semetic comments
because it is not in me. If I ever did find myself saying something like
that, it would be a good indication that I harbored some imbedid sexism or
anti-semitism. Stuff like that just doesn't "slip out" harmlessly. If you
can say it in the heat of the moment, it is there. The 99% you are speaking
of may not be cross-burning KKK members but they sure as heck get off being
able to say crap like that without fear of getting their face smashed in.
quote:

>
>
> Of course its origin matters in how it is reacted too. But, honestly, it
> didn't have a negative cognotation until after it was in use, just like
> "black" or "afro-american". It's less its origin than it is how people
> react.


No, it is how it is used. Someone can, in the right situation, use the word
"black" in a way that can be offensive or harmless based on context. Who
the heck can make "picnic" malicious to anyone other than someone who knows
the true historical origin of the word?
quote:

>
>
> Then Mattinglyfan and his ilk feel you are a racist. Ironic, no?


Man Fred, can you ever say anything without intentionally trying to be an
idiot to someone? How would that be the same as what I was saying to you?
Here is a newsflash for you Fred, African-American usage of the n-word
amongst other African Americans is an attempt to do EXACTLY what you
described. It was intended to take some of the "sting" off of a word that
had more historical significance than any other word in regards to a whole
race. There are African Americans who believe that this is the reason it is
ok to use the word for just that reason. There are others who believe that
African-American youth are giving more "weight" to the word by their liberal
usage of the word which in turn leads some to believe that it has become
acceptable since black people now use it. My personal philosophy which goes
back to my days in college, a little later than Brendan, is that the true
harm of making the word commonplace among everyone is when it is used in
mixed company. This creates a mentality that it is "ok" when in actuality,
90-95% of blacks in this country would be offended if a non-black stranger
used the word. In NYC, Puerto Ricans now use it almost as often as blacks
and I think the lack of negative reaction to that is the fact that their
"intent" is not thought to be malicious because there is no negative
historical context.
quote:

>
>
> Honestly, I'd be hard pressed to find it, now a days. Honest racism.
> Simply race based biasness, other than affirmative action, which is
> technically racism, but IMHO still is something that America benefits
> from. I do see some people that cry "racism" when they are just being
> assholes to begin with, though. Has nothing to do with race. I honestly
> don't see it. I also live where there might not be much to see, even
> though we have quite a mix of races. Maybe that's why we don't see it,
> because we do have interactions with many races.


Just because it is hard to find where you are does not mean that it is hard
to find everywhere. If anything, the people living in "Happy-go-lucky"
melting pots like the one you described are a lot less likely to even
recognize racism when faced with it because they can't get past what they
are used to in their environment.
quote:

>
> Even people that complain about Mexicans, that someone was talking about,
> aren't complaining about Hispanics, but rather Mexicans.


Don't you think someone calling all Latinos "Mexicans" is form of racism? I
have seen that online quite a bit due to my gamertag. People assume that I
am Hispanic from my gamertag (even though 60% of Spanish teachers/professors
in the US are not latino) and they start talking crap about swimming across
the border and calling me "wetback" when I smoke them in NFL2K5. That's
freakin ridiculous. By your reasoning, I could be one of the 7 guys at the
table and just shut up because it doesn't apply to me but that doesn't
remove any weight from the word for an actual Mexican person.
quote:

>
>
> There's nothing to be gained from it. I'd seriously doubt they'll even
> have a chance to affect your life in any significant way, like not hire
> you, etc, if that's how they act.


But they may have a chance to affect someone's life in the future.
quote:

>
>
> That's my point. They use that because it's about the only way they can
> get a rise out of anyone now a days.


So you are saying since their motivation is not "overt" racism, it is saying
that it is ok or less wrong?


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-15, 12:30 am


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d675fa$0$84154$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "don" <don@no.spam> wrote in message news:42D66FEA.27175AFF@no.spam...
>
>
> Blacks couldn't even vote 40 years ago. Segregation was prevalent. It's
> not even close.


Damn you are stupid. What does that have to do with what he said about
racism being less "overt"?


Boody Bandit

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm


"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7wBBe.8848$Eo.2887@fed1read04...
quote:

> In article <42d676b4$0$84132$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> nothanks@toocoolforschool.com says...
so[vbcol=seagreen]
times[vbcol=seagreen]
will[vbcol=seagreen]
> I have a feeling that the only way to impress you would be a new double

wide
quote:

> in Pine Hurst Estates in Austin Texas.


LOL!


Fred Liken

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7nDBe.8852$Eo.5809@fed1read04...
quote:

> In article <42d6eb33$0$84143$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> nothanks@toocoolforschool.com says...
>
> LMAO!!! "ad hominem"....LMAO some more. This was not an attack by the way.
> I
> must of hit close to home for you to consider this an attack.


More fannying about? How much time do you spend in a day fannying about? I
don't know about you, but I haven't the time to fanny about, so if you want
to fanny about find someone else who has time for fannying about. Because I
simply haven't the time to fanny about.


MS#1Fanboy-JoJo

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

In article <42d7d0ab$0$84145$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
nothanks@toocoolforschool.com says...
quote:

>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:7nDBe.8852$Eo.5809@fed1read04...
>
>More fannying about? How much time do you spend in a day fannying about? I
>don't know about you, but I haven't the time to fanny about, so if you want
>to fanny about find someone else who has time for fannying about. Because I
>simply haven't the time to fanny about.
>
>


I never fanny about. Fine by me if you want to.

Fred Liken

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> It detracts from the average person's gaming experience because they go
> online to play games and not to hear crap like that.


Then, perhaps your point is that Trash Talking in Online gaming IS a big
issue. Why is race special?
quote:

> Haven't you ever been in a group of women who sit around and talk crap
> about men? Doesn't that make you uncomfortable even though you may not be
> any of the things they are describing about men?


Nope, I've never felt uncomfortable in that situation because it makes no
difference to me.
quote:

> What if you were in a group of black guys who talked about white guys who
> can't dance or white women with flat asses?


I went to an inner city school, so I've been in groups like this. Everyone
just laughs about it because no one cares.
quote:

> They may not think what they are saying is malicious or offensive but as
> long as one person in the group does, it should be at least looked upon as
> potentially being offensive.


But, you'd have to live in a bubble to not offend anyone, silly PC goose.
(No offense to people in bubbles (or silly geese))
quote:

> Now pretend you are in that same situation but know you are at a table
> with 7 guys in a bar and they are all 260+ and some of them are talking
> about doing really foul and dirty stuff to your girlfriend/wife/mother.
> That is online gaming.


But you simply make my point that racism isn't the problem at all, but
rather trash talking.
quote:

> You can either just accept what they are saying and keep doing what you
> were doing or leave and go to another table because the fact of the matter
> is there is NOTHING you can do to make them stop. I think your mentality
> comes from being one of the guys at the table that isn't saying anything
> negative about the person's wife/girlfriend/mother but they are also not
> having anything said about their own wives/girlfriends/mothers.


I don't play with people like that.
quote:

>
> I don't go around calling women "bitches" or making anti-semetic comments
> because it is not in me. If I ever did find myself saying something like
> that, it would be a good indication that I harbored some imbedid sexism or
> anti-semitism.


Perhaps YOU, but that's ancedotal. If you really wanted to piss someone
off, you know what buttons to push, regaurdless of wheither you are a
racist, etc, or not. You know that if you called a black person the n word
you'd have a good chance of getting under their skin. If your goal was just
to get under their skin, then you know exactly what to do, wheither you are
a racist or not. It's just a simply fact of what it is.
quote:

> Stuff like that just doesn't "slip out" harmlessly. If you can say it in
> the heat of the moment, it is there.


No, I never implied it was simply "slipping out". My point is it is
calculated for the response, not the pragmatics, my friend. Why don't you
understand that's my point by now? Let's get back on topic. You're putting
the cart before the horse. (No offense to carts, horses, or people that put
carts before horses)
quote:

> The 99% you are speaking of may not be cross-burning KKK members but they
> sure as heck get off being able to say crap like that without fear of
> getting their face smashed in.


Your statement is completely off topic. The point was wheither or not they
were racists, not wheither or not they would say it face to face. You've
failed to show they are racists simply because they say that word, or the
ilk. An example is that photoshop that one guy did, with the guy in the
tree. I seriously doubt he's a racist, but he knew EXACTLY the reaction he
would get if he posted that, and you gave it to him. The goal was not
racially motivated, but rather reaction from you and your ilk.
quote:

>
> No, it is how it is used. Someone can, in the right situation, use the
> word "black" in a way that can be offensive or harmless based on context.
> Who the heck can make "picnic" malicious to anyone other than someone who
> knows the true historical origin of the word?


But, since the p word might possibly offend someone, you must consider it
offensive and cease to say the p word, you insensitive clod!
quote:

>
> Man Fred, can you ever say anything without intentionally trying to be an
> idiot to someone?


That's ironic.
quote:

>
> Just because it is hard to find where you are does not mean that it is
> hard to find everywhere. If anything, the people living in
> "Happy-go-lucky" melting pots like the one you described are a lot less
> likely to even recognize racism when faced with it because they can't get
> past what they are used to in their environment.


lol. I like your description of where I live. You'd be amazed.
quote:

>
> Don't you think someone calling all Latinos "Mexicans" is form of racism?


It could be. If that person thought that Latinos were inferior to blacks,
or whatever race the person is, then yes, they would be racist if they
called all Latinos Mexicans. If they didn't, then they are simply ignorant,
but not racists.
quote:

> I have seen that online quite a bit due to my gamertag. People assume
> that I am Hispanic from my gamertag (even though 60% of Spanish
> teachers/professors in the US are not latino) and they start talking crap
> about swimming across the border and calling me "wetback" when I smoke
> them in NFL2K5. That's freakin ridiculous.


No, it's not ridiculous. It's extremely sensible. If you want to push your
buttons and all you know is that you're a Spanish teacher, then saying those
things is sensible. It obviously works.
quote:

> By your reasoning, I could be one of the 7 guys at the table and just shut
> up because it doesn't apply to me but that doesn't remove any weight from
> the word for an actual Mexican person.


You probably can't. From what I know about you, you're very emotional and
probably wouldn't be able to train yourself to control those emotions, no.
You'll always be upset because someone can always push your buttons and you
are pretty vocal about what your buttons are. Honestly.

Back to the topic, though, if you were there, and let's assume you were
Mexican, you just punked them in NFL2K5. They're the losers. Why give them
the satisfaction of pushing your buttons?
quote:

>
> But they may have a chance to affect someone's life in the future.


The scope was very much limited to him personally, keep up. But, in your
holistic view, I'd seriously doubt someone like that would be in the
position to affect someone's life and if they were, they probably wouldn't
anyways, because they probably aren't racists.
quote:

>
> So you are saying since their motivation is not "overt" racism, it is
> saying that it is ok or less wrong?


Where did I ever say it was ok? The motivation is in itself wrong, the
statements are moot at that point. They could say something about your
mother, etc, etc, etc. Just because it's racism versus talking about your
mother doesn't make the motivation of upsetting you ok or less wrong.

What's confusing about that?


Fred Liken

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> Damn you are stupid.


Honestly, you're not someone I really respect to make that evaluation.
Sorry.
quote:

> What does that have to do with what he said about racism being less
> "overt"?


His statement was that there was as much racism today as there ever was.
That's not even close. Blacks weren't even considered the same speciese as
whites in recent history. That's quite a bit more racist than what we have
now, my friend. That's obvious. Wheither it is overt or covert is moot.

But, I can see you're just being argumentative because of your feelings
about me, so I doubt actually using critical thinking isn't high on your
list of wants.


don

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

Fred Liken wrote:
quote:

> Blacks couldn't even vote 40 years ago. Segregation was prevalent. It's
> not even close.


I didn't say minorities don't have more rights or opportunities. Of
course, they can vote, work more places, and live almost anywhere, but
racism isn't about that. It's about the way people think about other
people who aren't of the same race they are.

Just because a white person accepts the fact that the law says blacks,
latinos, etc. have the right to live in their neighborhood doesn't mean
they welcome them with open arms, and sometimes, even the people who
seem the most tolerant quickly change their tune when a minority family
moves next door to them or their daughter wants to marry one.

And it's not just whites who are racist. There are just as many blacks
who don't like whites not to mention the animosity in many parts of the
country between blacks and latinos, blacks and orientals, latinos and
orientals, etc.
Fred Liken

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

"don" <don@no.spam> wrote in message news:42D7DECF.C39A72E1@no.spam...
quote:

> Fred Liken wrote:
>
>
> I didn't say minorities don't have more rights or opportunities. Of
> course, they can vote, work more places, and live almost anywhere, but
> racism isn't about that. It's about the way people think about other
> people who aren't of the same race they are.


Right. And now people think that Blacks should be able to vote, etc, etc,
etc. It's not even close.
quote:

> Just because a white person accepts the fact that the law says blacks,
> latinos, etc. have the right to live in their neighborhood doesn't mean
> they welcome them with open arms, and sometimes, even the people who
> seem the most tolerant quickly change their tune when a minority family
> moves next door to them or their daughter wants to marry one.


That's fine and all, but the point that I thought was being made was that
there is as much racism now than there has ever been. Those circumstances
that you describe may happen, but they would have been close to 100% of the
time not too long ago. That's not true now. Racism isn't nearly as
prevalent as it was in recent history.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d7d7be$0$84089$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
> Perhaps YOU, but that's ancedotal. If you really wanted to piss someone
> off, you know what buttons to push, regaurdless of wheither you are a
> racist, etc, or not. You know that if you called a black person the n
> word you'd have a good chance of getting under their skin. If your goal
> was just to get under their skin, then you know exactly what to do,
> wheither you are a racist or not. It's just a simply fact of what it is.


Wrong. You are the master of "button pushing" but you have obviously made a
conscious choice not to use race. People who use race as a form of pushing
buttons are racist by the definition of the word. Much in the same way
people who call people "fag" and "queer" online are homophobic or people who
call female opponents "bitches" are sexist. What part of that don't you
understand?

Stuff like that just doesn't "slip out" harmlessly. If you can say it in
quote:

>
> No, I never implied it was simply "slipping out". My point is it is
> calculated for the response, not the pragmatics, my friend. Why don't you
> understand that's my point by now? Let's get back on topic. You're
> putting the cart before the horse. (No offense to carts, horses, or
> people that put carts before horses)
>
>
> Your statement is completely off topic. The point was wheither or not
> they were racists, not wheither or not they would say it face to face.
> You've failed to show they are racists simply because they say that word,
> or the ilk. An example is that photoshop that one guy did, with the guy
> in the tree. I seriously doubt he's a racist, but he knew EXACTLY the
> reaction he would get if he posted that, and you gave it to him. The goal
> was not racially motivated, but rather reaction from you and your ilk.
>


Too bad you didn't pay attention to his history and you would know that it
was racially motivated. Instead, you chose to defend/encourage him just to
spite others in this group.



Mattinglyfan

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d7d8f5$0$84157$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> Honestly, you're not someone I really respect to make that evaluation.
> Sorry.
>
>
> His statement was that there was as much racism today as there ever was.
> That's not even close. Blacks weren't even considered the same speciese
> as whites in recent history. That's quite a bit more racist than what we
> have now, my friend. That's obvious. Wheither it is overt or covert is
> moot.
>
> But, I can see you're just being argumentative because of your feelings
> about me, so I doubt actually using critical thinking isn't high on your
> list of wants.
>
>


Sure it does. You are talking about rights but the fact of the matter is he
was speaking about racism. That can be prejudice and stereotypes and with
the influx of more races into this country than ever before, there is even
more of that to go around. I don't know why you fell back on black-white
instead of American-Arab or southern US- Mexican.


Fred Liken

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> Wrong. You are the master of "button pushing"


Obviously seeing as I have you in pocket quite well.
quote:

> but you have obviously made a conscious choice not to use race.


Not really conscious.
quote:

> People who use race as a form of pushing buttons are racist by the
> definition of the word.


No, you're simply wrong there.

For them to be racist, they would either have to believe that one race is
better than the other, which isn't necessarily true and probably isn't their
belief, or that they would have to be prejudice, which also isn't shown.
You're wrong that if you push someones buttons, you are a racist by
definition, because the definition of racist doesn't agree with you. Sorry.
quote:

> Much in the same way people who call people "fag" and "queer" online are
> homophobic


That's simply retarded. You'd have to fear gays to be homophobic. To just
call some random person the f word just to piss them off doesn't show that
you are afraid of gays.
quote:

> or people who call female opponents "bitches" are sexist.


That one I'd say is probably true most of the time, but then again simply
because I'd say there's quite a few sexist people out there rather than the
instance of them saying XXXXX, it is not necessarily true that the person
believes that women are inferior.
quote:

> What part of that don't you understand?


There's not much to understand beyond the fact that you don't know the
definitions of the words you use.
quote:


<cricket cricket>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Too bad you didn't pay attention to his history and you would know that it
> was racially motivated.


No, they didn't see him and start saying that. They said that when he beat
them. The motivation was clearly to piss him off. Please do try to keep
up.
quote:

> Instead, you chose to defend/encourage him just to spite others in this
> group.


That's a very ignorant statement.


Fred Liken

2005-07-15, 8:36 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> Sure it does.


What does what? You're not making sense.
quote:

> You are talking about rights but the fact of the matter is he was speaking
> about racism.


Discrimination is a key part of racism.
quote:

> That can be prejudice and stereotypes and with the influx of more races
> into this country than ever before, there is even more of that to go
> around.


There's no more races in America now than there has been in recent history,
my ignorant friend.
There's more people of non-white race, but that's only a good thing for
diminishing racism. The more contact, the less ignorance.
quote:

> I don't know why you fell back on black-white instead of American-Arab or
> southern US- Mexican.


Because they were discriminated against and there were quite a few of them
at the time. It's not that complicated, my friend.


lonesw0rdsman

2005-07-16, 3:30 am


"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:JsCdncTcL_y1MkjfRVn-1A@comcast.com...
quote:

>
> "Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
> news:42d5a8b1$0$452$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>
> Only if your head is tucked clearly up your XXX.
>
>
> So that makes it ok? Its official, you are a dumb XXX.
>


Right on mattinglyfan! I mean seriously, theres no racism ? Hahaha. You must
be living in beverly hills or something dude. Not you mattingly, the dude
you responded to.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-16, 8:32 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42d817d5$0$84160$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> Obviously seeing as I have you in pocket quite well.
>


LOL. How many threads have I started with your name in the title?
quote:

>
> Not really conscious.


There you go Fred. That means IT IS NOT IN YOU. If you don't have to make
a conscious effort not to say something racist, then you do not have the
internal racism that is present in ALL racists. For some it is passive and
others it is quite obvious. The difference is, when it is passive, it needs
to "slip out" one way or the other.
quote:

>
>
> No, you're simply wrong there.
>
> For them to be racist, they would either have to believe that one race is
> better than the other, which isn't necessarily true and probably isn't
> their belief,


And you know because.......
quote:

> or that they would have to be prejudice, which also isn't shown.


The fact that a person can use racially derogatory terms is a good
indication of prejudice.
quote:

> You're wrong that if you push someones buttons, you are a racist by
> definition, because the definition of racist doesn't agree with you.
> Sorry.


It is you that needs to check your definitions. Making racist statements,
makes you are racist.
quote:

>
>
> That's simply retarded. You'd have to fear gays to be homophobic.


Too bad you equate fear to being scared of them when in actuality,
homophobia has to do with "comfort level" and not necesarily the emotion of
fear..
quote:

>To just call some random person the f word just to piss them off doesn't
>show that you are afraid of gays.
>


It shows that you consider it an insult which demonstrates an intolerance
(which falls under the definition of homophobia).
quote:

>
> That one I'd say is probably true most of the time, but then again simply
> because I'd say there's quite a few sexist people out there rather than
> the instance of them saying XXXXX, it is not necessarily true that the
> person believes that women are inferior.


True, but you are assuming that I am using "XXXXX" to demonstrate
inferiority. You are concentrating on the "superiority" angle of all of
these definitions when there is a more basic and simpler "biased" angle that
goes along with them as well.
quote:

>
>
> There's not much to understand beyond the fact that you don't know the
> definitions of the words you use.
>
>
> <cricket cricket>


What was there to respond to? You said that you weren't implying that it
was "slipping out" and I accepted that

<squash squash>

Crickets don't actually make a "cricket sound" so you would have needed
<chirp chirp> to make your point. Back to the topic.
quote:

>
>
> No, they didn't see him and start saying that. They said that when he
> beat them. The motivation was clearly to piss him off. Please do try to
> keep up.


I guess you have the inside track to the mind of LL Cool Names/Pizza Hut/
HIV Steve/Joe's Crab Shack/WTF His name is Today. But I have seen the type
of crap he posts and that was exactly his motivation. My statement about
him being a racist was supported by posts that I have read in the past
irregardless of whatever background everyone else had before making it.
quote:

>
>
> That's a very ignorant statement.
>


Its not ignorant, you do it. I will admit, when it comes to you, I do it
all the time. You leave no grey area to agree with you by your very nature.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-16, 8:32 pm


"lonesw0rdsman" <ga@lone.com> wrote in message
news:7p0Ce.2333$2h1.1090@trnddc05...
quote:

>
> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:JsCdncTcL_y1MkjfRVn-1A@comcast.com...
>
> Right on mattinglyfan! I mean seriously, theres no racism ? Hahaha. You
> must be living in beverly hills or something dude. Not you mattingly, the
> dude you responded to.


LOL. Beverly Hills, I see your point. After all, who is going to be a
racist to Samuel Jackson or Eva Mendez in Beverly Hills.


Fred Liken

2005-07-18, 8:31 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

> For some it is passive and others it is quite obvious. The difference is,
> when it is passive, it needs to "slip out" one way or the other.


See, you frankly miss the premise of this discussion. No one was talking
about people letting things "slip out" but rather people specifically saying
things for a reaction independant of what they are saying.
quote:

>
> And you know because.......


It's obvious. I've witnessed it time and time again. Maybe you need to
leave your ivory tower?
quote:

>
> The fact that a person can use racially derogatory terms is a good
> indication of prejudice.


No, that's simply wrong. People can say many things that they don't believe
to get a rise. It's pretty much run of the mill stuff, my friend, and you
know it. Kids do it all the time for everything under the sun. You simply
are being argumentative.
quote:

>
> It is you that needs to check your definitions. Making racist statements,
> makes you are racist.


No, to be a racist you must believe that one race is better than another or
discriminate. Neither is proven by saying such comments to piss people off,
especially when you say them to a white person.

You need to crack a book.
quote:

>
> Too bad you equate fear to being scared of them when in actuality,
> homophobia has to do with "comfort level" and not necesarily the emotion
> of fear..


Link to a definition that doesn't smell like it came out of your XXX?
quote:

>
> It shows that you consider it an insult which demonstrates an intolerance
> (which falls under the definition of homophobia).


Oh.... no.... The person RECEIVING the comment takes it as an insult or
rather that is the assumption the person saying makes. The person giving it
doesn't necessarily believe it is one. The f word, though, is vulgar. It
is safe to assume that the reveiving person will find it offensive. These
are facts about the word. Now, armed with that information, can one call
someone the f word and not be a homophobe? Yes, very easily. They could be
gay themselves and call someone that.
quote:

>
> True, but you are assuming that I am using "XXXXX" to demonstrate
> inferiority. You are concentrating on the "superiority" angle of all of
> these definitions when there is a more basic and simpler "biased" angle
> that goes along with them as well.


lol. I find it cute when you try.
quote:

>
> I guess you have the inside track to the mind of LL Cool Names/Pizza Hut/
> HIV Steve/Joe's Crab Shack/WTF His name is Today. But I have seen the
> type of crap he posts and that was exactly his motivation. My statement
> about him being a racist was supported by posts that I have read in the
> past irregardless of whatever background everyone else had before making
> it.


It's amazing you don't even know who the OP was.
quote:

>
> Its not ignorant, you do it.


I now understand your statement above about defend encourage... you have no
idea who the OP was. Adds a lot of information as to why you're acting the
way you are. You're hilarious.
quote:

> You leave no grey area to agree with you by your very nature.


Unbiased observers can see that trying to agree is not part of your bent
behavior towards me. You simply feel the need to disagree, mindlessly.


Fred Liken

2005-07-18, 8:31 pm

"lonesw0rdsman" <ga@lone.com> wrote in message
news:7p0Ce.2333$2h1.1090@trnddc05...
quote:

> Right on mattinglyfan! I mean seriously, theres no racism ?


Where did I say that? You guys really need to spend a little more time
trying to comprehend before you hit reply.
quote:

> Hahaha.


aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
quote:

> You must be living in beverly hills or something dude. Not you mattingly,


Obviously. lol


None the less, where I live has been posted.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-18, 8:31 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42dbc4c2$0$2538$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> See, you frankly miss the premise of this discussion. No one was talking
> about people letting things "slip out" but rather people specifically
> saying things for a reaction independant of what they are saying.


Exactly, see below.
quote:

>
>
> It's obvious. I've witnessed it time and time again. Maybe you need to
> leave your ivory tower?


Wow Fred, I teach at an inner-city school so wtf Ivory Tower am I in? It
seems as if the person who feels that "attending" an inner-city school for
four years is the one whose judgement is clouded. I have about 20+ years
more of "inner-city" racial experience than you so don't preach to me about
not being in touch.
quote:

>
>
> No, that's simply wrong. People can say many things that they don't
> believe to get a rise. It's pretty much run of the mill stuff, my friend,
> and you know it. Kids do it all the time for everything under the sun.
> You simply are being argumentative.


No. When they say stuff like "Go make a burrito!" or mock black
stereotypical speech, that is an act based on racial stereotypes. "Run of
the mill", WTF? That is some shit I would expect a racist to say. As big
as a dick as I feel you choose to be, I would have never put you in that
category. There is no such XXXXing thing as "run of the mill" racial slurs
to a non-racist.
quote:

>
>
> No, to be a racist you must believe that one race is better than another
> or discriminate. Neither is proven by saying such comments to piss people
> off, especially when you say them to a white person.
>
> You need to crack a book.


Racism:
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
You have already stated that you understand that prejudice is an aspect of
racism so I won't post that definition.

Prejudice:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-b...udice&x=11&y=18

2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or
leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an
instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility
directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed
characteristics


Look at the part about just grounds or sufficient knowledge. Seems like it
is you who needs to update your pre-Martin Luther King definition of racism
and understand that it covers stereotyping as well.
quote:

>

Homophobia:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-b...hobia&x=11&y=11

Aversion:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-b...ersion&x=8&y=16
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Link to a definition that doesn't smell like it came out of your XXX?


Thanks, that was easy.
quote:

>
>
> Oh.... no.... The person RECEIVING the comment takes it as an insult or
> rather that is the assumption the person saying makes. The person giving
> it doesn't necessarily believe it is one. The f word, though, is vulgar.
> It is safe to assume that the reveiving person will find it offensive.
> These are facts about the word. Now, armed with that information, can one
> call someone the f word and not be a homophobe? Yes, very easily. They
> could be gay themselves and call someone that.


You are absolutely right here.
quote:

>
>
> lol. I find it cute when you try.


See above definitions.
quote:

>
>
> It's amazing you don't even know who the OP was.


Oh shit Fred. Now we will truly see if you do admit when you are wrong.

Gotcha!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...6bb1b2fbf1dc736

That's LL, buddy.
quote:

>


The worst part is in reply 102, you kind of take the weak way out of
standing up to the obvious racist stupidity being posted by stating,
"Without stating my opinion on it one way or the other, it's honestly
roughly 40 years, and even less in many areas." Its sad that when it comes
to defending a video game, you will talk about/insult everyone in this ng
that doesn't agree with you but here you finally decided not to state your
opinion on it.

quote:

>
> I now understand your statement above about defend encourage... you have
> no idea who the OP was. Adds a lot of information as to why you're acting
> the way you are. You're hilarious.


Admit you are wrong. That will go a long way toward you earning the respect
that you feel you deserve. I guess you didn't realize who you were
defending did you?
quote:

>
>
> Unbiased observers can see that trying to agree is not part of your bent
> behavior towards me. You simply feel the need to disagree, mindlessly.
>
>



Fred Liken

2005-07-18, 8:31 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> Wow Fred, I teach at an inner-city school so wtf Ivory Tower am I in?


Sure you do.
quote:

>
> No. When they say stuff like "Go make a burrito!" or mock black
> stereotypical speech, that is an act based on racial stereotypes.


Most definitly, those acts are based on racial stereotypes. You just now
admited that you know what those racial stereotypes are. Your logic says
that by admiting you know what they are, you must be a racist because you
even give them passing thought.

None the less, the facts are that if you know that saying "go make a
burrito" or mocking jive will get a rise out of someone and you want to get
a rise out of them, you don't have to be a racist to use that knowledge.
You could do the exact same thing to a white person that talks jive. You
confuse race with culture.
quote:

> "Run of the mill", WTF? That is some shit I would expect a racist to
> say.


Of course you would but you are very confused on the topic, it has been
shown.
quote:

> As big as a dick as I feel you choose to be, I would have never put you in
> that category. There is no such XXXXing thing as "run of the mill" racial
> slurs to a non-racist.


Who said run of the mill racial slurs? Please do give comprehending the
posts before replying a shot.
quote:

>
> Racism:


Um, you said they would be a racist... The word was "racist", my friend.
Keep up.

n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others

To call someone the n word or the ilk just to piss them off doesn't
necissarily mean that you believe their race is inferior. All it have be
proven to show is that you are a dick and want to piss someone off.

<snipped typical Mattyinglyfan wandering>
quote:

>
>
> Homophobia:
> http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-b...hobia&x=11&y=11
>
> Aversion:
> http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-b...ersion&x=8&y=16
>
>
> Thanks, that was easy.


Yet, doesn't show your point.
quote:

>
> You are absolutely right here.


quote:

>
> Oh shit Fred. Now we will truly see if you do admit when you are wrong.
>
> Gotcha!
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group...6bb1b2fbf1dc736
>
> That's LL, buddy.


Ah, peanut! I thought you were talking about the topic when you said that
in response to the paragraph above it where I said that the response wasn't
racially motivated, but rather trash talking motivated and were talking
about the OP being half black half american.
quote:


Gotcha.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> The worst part is in reply 102, you kind of take the weak way out of
> standing up to the obvious racist stupidity being posted by stating,
> "Without stating my opinion on it one way or the other, it's honestly
> roughly 40 years, and even less in many areas."


What obvious racist stupidity? I responded to the statement that "Our [sic]
ancestors wanted them for slaves, and wanted to keep them stupid, like dumb
farm animals, so you can hardly blame them for some of the current
situations." That's hardly racist stupidity. To which the response was
"No, we can blame them. They had enough time to get an education." Hardly
obvious racist stupidity.

My response "Without stating my opinion on it one way or the other, it's
honestly roughly 40 years, and even less in many areas." is quite
insightful. 40 years isn't long enough to start laying blame.

It's strange that you are so bent that you feel the need to drag that up.
I'm flattered.
quote:

> Its sad that when it comes to defending a video game, you will talk
> about/insult everyone in this ng that doesn't agree with you but here you
> finally decided not to state your opinion on it.


Because it wouldn't help the cause or add anything to the debate. You're so
bent on me that you find fault in anything I do. It makes you look like a
fool.
quote:

>
> Admit you are wrong.


I was wrong to assume you were talking about the OP in response to my
statement that had two people in it. I was tricked by your encourage/defend
statement since I neither encouraged or defended that photoshop guy.
quote:

> That will go a long way toward you earning the respect that you feel you
> deserve.


Your respect isn't worth anything, so why would one try to earn it? You
make no sense.
[vbcol=seagreen]

Proven.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-19, 3:31 am


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42dbe96f$0$2472$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> Sure you do.
>
>
> Most definitly, those acts are based on racial stereotypes. You just now
> admited that you know what those racial stereotypes are. Your logic says
> that by admiting you know what they are, you must be a racist because you
> even give them passing thought.


No, your logic says that. Your logic also says that when someone proves you
wrong to be just be outrageous and condesending and hope that no one
notices. Its not gonna work.
quote:

>
> None the less, the facts are that if you know that saying "go make a
> burrito" or mocking jive will get a rise out of someone and you want to
> get a rise out of them, you don't have to be a racist to use that
> knowledge. You could do the exact same thing to a white person that talks
> jive. You confuse race with culture.


No, you confuse making sense with making people think that you are right.
quote:

>
>
> Of course you would but you are very confused on the topic, it has been
> shown.


Not too confused to prove you wrong.
quote:

>
>
> Who said run of the mill racial slurs? Please do give comprehending the
> posts before replying a shot.


I love how you snip your posts so that no one can see you backtrack. Well
done.
quote:

>
>
> Um, you said they would be a racist... The word was "racist", my friend.
> Keep up.
>
> n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others


Uhhh, you are absolutely right Fred, racism has nothing to do with being
racist. Give me a XXXXing break, you are flailing now.
quote:

>
> To call someone the n word or the ilk just to piss them off doesn't
> necissarily mean that you believe their race is inferior. All it have be
> proven to show is that you are a dick and want to piss someone off.


You keep telling yourself that calling someone the n word just to get under
their skin doesn't make someone racist. Now I know you are full of shit
about going to school in the inner city because we would have kicked your
XXX for trying some stupid shit like that.
quote:

>
> <snipped typical Mattyinglyfan wandering>
>
>
> Yet, doesn't show your point.


Sure it does. You are just trying to avoid the point I made about
homophobia going past a simple fear of homosexuals and carrying over to it
being an aversion to homosexuality which involves a level of discomfort.

How can you question anyone's comprehension skills?


<snipped typical Fred BS to get to the fact of the matter>
quote:

>
> I was wrong to assume you were talking about the OP in response to my
> statement that had two people in it. I was tricked by your
> encourage/defend statement since I neither encouraged or defended that
> photoshop guy.
>


Damn, even your admission of wrong reaks of "superiority." You have a
complex.
quote:

>
> Your respect isn't worth anything, so why would one try to earn it? You
> make no sense.
>


Wasn't talking about me, that will never happen. I was talking about the
many people who already thought you to be a dick who now have to painfully
watch me disect you piece by piece.
quote:

>
> Proven.


As you say Fred, PAWNED.


Fred Liken

2005-07-19, 8:35 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

> No, your logic says that. Your logic also says that when someone proves
> you wrong to be just be outrageous and condesending and hope that no one
> notices. Its not gonna work.


The hypocrisy is noted.

<snipped his nonresponsive ad hominem attacks>
quote:

>
> You keep telling yourself that calling someone the n word just to get
> under their skin doesn't make someone racist.


Doesn't necessarily. They are distinct.
quote:

> Now I know you are full of shit about going to school in the inner city
> because we would have kicked your XXX for trying some stupid shit like
> that.


Saying what? You would have kicked my XXX for stating the well know fact
that people often say things they don't believe just to get under someone's
skin, salad tosser?

Says a lot about you.
quote:

>
> Wasn't talking about me, that will never happen. I was talking about the
> many people who already thought you to be a dick who now have to painfully
> watch me disect you piece by piece.


lol. Calling me stupid when I point out where you're wrong doesn't impress
many people.
quote:

> As you say Fred, PAWNED.


lol. He thinks he's human!


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-19, 8:35 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42dd39d5$0$2480$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> The hypocrisy is noted.


Typical response when you are slapped.
quote:

>
> <snipped his nonresponsive ad hominem attacks>
>
>
> Doesn't necessarily. They are distinct.


No they aren't.
quote:

>
>
> Saying what? You would have kicked my XXX for stating the well know fact
> that people often say things they don't believe just to get under
> someone's skin,


No, it would have been for telling me that it would have been ok in HS for
someone to call me the N word because they were just trying to "get under my
skin" and "they probably didn't mean it". Your XXX whoopin would have
directly followed theirs.
quote:

> salad tosser?


Homophobe.
quote:

> Says a lot about you.


Says a lot about your character.
quote:

>
> lol. Calling me stupid when I point out where you're wrong doesn't
> impress many people.


When did I call you stupid? I don't need to impress anyone, you are the one
who is known as an abrasive prick to everyone, not me.
quote:

>
>
> lol. He thinks he's human!
>


Defense mode on!


GT4 KickAss

2005-07-19, 8:36 pm

H.I.V. Steve wrote:
quote:

> Mattinglyfan wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Shut up nigger.
>



LOL.
Fred Liken

2005-07-19, 8:36 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> No, it would have been for telling me that it would have been ok in HS for
> someone to call me the N word because they were just trying to "get under
> my skin" and "they probably didn't mean it".


Um, this is like the third time it's been pointed out to you, my friend, no
one said it would be ok.

Please, quit being such a ignorant XXX and at least try to act like you're
paying attention.
quote:

> Your XXX whoopin would have directly followed theirs.


Seriously doubt you could whoop anyone's XXX, especially when you'd be doing
it solo. You're a XXXXX. Always have been and always will be. Unless you
were saying that you'd lynch me, and that's a diferent story.
quote:

>
> Homophobe.


lol. You totally missed the point and were riled up at the same time.
quote:

>
> Says a lot about your character.


This might hurt if you had a clue as to what you were talking about. At
least three times it's been cleared up for you and you still walk around
with your ears closed like some sassy baby.
quote:

>
> When did I call you stupid? I don't need to impress anyone, you are the
> one who is known as an abrasive prick to everyone, not me.


You don't realize your hypocrisy and that's funny.
quote:

> Defense mode on!


Hence all of your non-responses. You've checked out and are just being an
XXX. Let the record show that you did it first because you can't argue,
just whine and moan like a moody emotional baby.


Billy Crabs

2005-07-19, 8:36 pm


"H.I.V. Steve" <hiv_steve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1121807462.951951.152470@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:

> Mattinglyfan wrote:
>
fact[vbcol=seagreen]
for[vbcol=seagreen]
under my[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Shut up nigger.
>

Yeah, and go pick us some God damn cotton, Kunta!


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-20, 12:33 am


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42dd7df2$0$2522$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> Um, this is like the third time it's been pointed out to you, my friend,
> no one said it would be ok.
>
> Please, quit being such a ignorant XXX and at least try to act like you're
> paying attention.
>
>
> Seriously doubt you could whoop anyone's XXX, especially when you'd be
> doing it solo. You're a XXXXX. Always have been and always will be.
> Unless you were saying that you'd lynch me, and that's a diferent story.
>
>
> lol. You totally missed the point and were riled up at the same time.
>
>
> This might hurt if you had a clue as to what you were talking about. At
> least three times it's been cleared up for you and you still walk around
> with your ears closed like some sassy baby.
>
>
> You don't realize your hypocrisy and that's funny.
>
>
> Hence all of your non-responses. You've checked out and are just being an
> XXX. Let the record show that you did it first because you can't argue,
> just whine and moan like a moody emotional baby.


No, I just own you and I realize that you do that with everyone who
embarrasses you. You cut their posts to make yourself look less like an
idiot. Not working sonny.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-20, 12:33 am


"Billy Crabs" <Itchycrotch2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:QDfDe.52365$0i3.41022@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
quote:

>
> "H.I.V. Steve" <hiv_steve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1121807462.951951.152470@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> fact
> for
> under my
> Yeah, and go pick us some God damn cotton, Kunta!
>


LOL, that is a good one!


Boody Bandit

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm


"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R4idnc9tS-J7NEDfRVn-og@comcast.com...

All I can say is you must be so bored waiting for school to start back up.
That is the only thing that makes sense to me with you wasting your time on
jerkoffs like Fred, Tokamun-whatever, LL dickweed and all of his numerous
alias


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm


"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gOmdnck9J_LZ1kPfRVn-og@suscom.com...
quote:

>
> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:R4idnc9tS-J7NEDfRVn-og@comcast.com...
>
> All I can say is you must be so bored waiting for school to start back up.
> That is the only thing that makes sense to me with you wasting your time
> on
> jerkoffs like Fred, Tokamun-whatever, LL dickweed and all of his numerous
> alias
>
>


The difference is Fred is not a school-age XXXXX in the same vein of these
other pussies so I will still be dealing with him after those other
dickweeds go back to school.


Boody Bandit

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm


"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:iuqdnYRqaaP7FEPfRVn-ug@comcast.com...
quote:

>
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gOmdnck9J_LZ1kPfRVn-og@suscom.com...
up.[vbcol=seagreen]
numerous[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> The difference is Fred is not a school-age XXXXX in the same vein of these
> other pussies so I will still be dealing with him after those other
> dickweeds go back to school.


He *is* the single biggest waste of time on these groups but Good Luck to
yah.


Fred Liken

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:R4idnc9tS-J7NEDfRVn-og@comcast.com...
quote:

>
> No, I just own you and I realize that you do that with everyone who
> embarrasses you. You cut their posts to make yourself look less like an
> idiot. Not working sonny.


Yes, I'm owned when you're the one breaking down into ignorant emotional
tripe. Gotcha.

Um, btw, everything you say is still in your post. Cutting it doesn't
magically make it go away, you know, right, my friend? lol. You're
horrible at the internets.


Fred Liken

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm

"Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44ednTPqX72SE0PfRVn-hQ@suscom.com...
quote:

> He *is* the single biggest waste of time on these groups but Good Luck to
> yah.


Owned.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42de9ad3$0$2484$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:R4idnc9tS-J7NEDfRVn-og@comcast.com...
>
>
> Yes, I'm owned when you're the one breaking down into ignorant emotional
> tripe. Gotcha.


No, you aren't owned. Lots of people impersonate someone else on the usenet
as a method of making themselves look better. Riiiiiiiiight.
quote:

>
> Um, btw, everything you say is still in your post. Cutting it doesn't
> magically make it go away, you know, right, my friend? lol. You're
> horrible at the internets.


Whatever you say Mr. Gore.


Fred Liken

2005-07-20, 8:39 pm

"Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
quote:

>
> No, you aren't owned. Lots of people impersonate someone else on the
> usenet as a method of making themselves look better. Riiiiiiiiight.


When did I ever impersonate you? I told everyone exactly what I was doing
and never tried to decieve anyone into thinking I was you. I just got you
put in a bunch of people's kill files. Keep up, Forest.
quote:

>
> Whatever you say Mr. Gore.


Unbelievable that you don't know that.


Mattinglyfan

2005-07-21, 3:31 am


"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in message
news:42deae84$0$2512$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
quote:

> "Mattinglyfan" <nyyankees@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
> When did I ever impersonate you? I told everyone exactly what I was doing
> and never tried to decieve anyone into thinking I was you. I just got you
> put in a bunch of people's kill files. Keep up, Forest.
>


Cool, I will be there to keep you company. I guess since you've done such a
great job with your name, you are trying to show mastery of your "be a dick"
craft. Well done.
quote:

>
> Unbelievable that you don't know that.
>


You got me. I have no idea what you are talking about.


Omega X

2005-07-24, 3:32 am

Mattinglyfan wrote:
quote:

> "Billy Crabs" <Itchycrotch2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:QDfDe.52365$0i3.41022@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>
>
>
> LOL, that is a good one!
>
>

Now be nice ppl.
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