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| Fred Liken 2005-02-12, 1:52 pm |
| Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what the DS
costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred bucks more
than the Japanese have to pay for it.
The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that the US
market is completely different than the Japanese market and that in the US
they'll have to charge more for the system that has the smaller market but
are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit. The average person in the
US has no need for a portable gaming device like the PSP and the stigma that
is connected to being a geek and playing a portable in public. The DS, on
the other hand, will have the younger market where such stigmas tend to be
less prevalent. Sony is completely skipping that market with their PSP
unit.
It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the XBox,
etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in their PSP
in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly like most fringe
technology.
So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware and
Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
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| Ollie T 2005-02-12, 1:52 pm |
| I am just worried about the game prices for the PSP. Many were listed at
$49. Seems most have now come down to $39 but that still seems pretty
expensive. I suppose they are all going up though. The new Warioware for
the DS comes out this week at $35. I'll be getting it though.
HDTV games lists and discussions
http://www.hdtvarcade.com
"Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what the
> DS costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred bucks
> more than the Japanese have to pay for it.
>
> The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that the
> US market is completely different than the Japanese market and that in the
> US they'll have to charge more for the system that has the smaller market
> but are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit. The average person in
> the US has no need for a portable gaming device like the PSP and the
> stigma that is connected to being a geek and playing a portable in public.
> The DS, on the other hand, will have the younger market where such stigmas
> tend to be less prevalent. Sony is completely skipping that market with
> their PSP unit.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the XBox,
> etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in their PSP
> in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly like most fringe
> technology.
>
> So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware and
> Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
> interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
>
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| Android 2005-02-12, 1:52 pm |
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"Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what the
DS
quote:
> costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred bucks more
> than the Japanese have to pay for it.
It's not surprising considering that initial price estimates were in the
$275-$299 range. It is only surprising after the Japanese launch, where a
basic system sold for the equivalent of ~$185 US. Add the memory stick,
headphones, carrying case with a strap, and the Spider-Man 2 UMD, and
there's the additional cost.
quote:
> The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that the
US
quote:
> market is completely different than the Japanese market and that in the US
> they'll have to charge more for the system that has the smaller market but
> are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit. The average person in the
> US has no need for a portable gaming device like the PSP and the stigma
that
quote:
> is connected to being a geek and playing a portable in public. The DS, on
> the other hand, will have the younger market where such stigmas tend to be
> less prevalent. Sony is completely skipping that market with their PSP
> unit.
That's a ridiculous theory, Einstein. "Say, Toshihiro, our PSP market is
going to be smaller in the US than in Japan, so let's charge them MORE for
the system, okay?" "Great idea, Akira!" Why would Sony want to do that?
And, by the way, if the DS was only aimed at the younger market, why is it
$149, why are the games more for adults/teens than kids, and why doesn't it
come in red and blue yet? Nintendo is also trying to reach the mainstream
market.
How about this reason--they are offering only the "value pack" in the US, so
we end up paying for all the extras. Sony wants the multimedia capabilities
of the PSP to be a factor right out of the gate, but since they can't give
away Spider-Man 2 on UMD without losing even more money, they need to charge
for it. And since they want people to recognize that the PSP plays MP3's,
they'll force you to buy a memory stick in the hopes that you'll try to use
it for music and pictures. It makes sense from a marketing standpoint. The
more the general public sees PSP owners watching movies and listening to
music, rather than just playing games, the more interested they'll become.
The market they are shooting for is the same crowd that owns/purchases
iPods, MP3 players, and portable DVD players, not just game machines.
quote:
> It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the XBox,
> etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in their PSP
> in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly like most fringe
> technology.
Jealousy does not become you, my good sir. Ask EB Games or Game Stop if
they think interest in the PSP is "limited" according to their pre-sales.
Ask eBay sellers if they think the interest in the PSP is "limited"
according to the bids they are receiving. There is a lot of interest in the
PSP, and while the higher price may cause a few people to re-think a launch
day purchase, it isn't going to make much of a difference. The PSP is going
to be huge...nothing like the Xbox's sales in Japan.
quote:
> So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware and
> Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
> interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
I cannot answer that question since I don't agree with any of your premises.
There is no "extreme price gouging," and there is not "limited interest" in
the PSP. I think the only effect, so far, of the higher price is to make DS
apologists and Sony haters like yourself come out of the woodwork.
Fortunately, when the PSP is a huge hit next month, we won't have to listen
to you any longer. Go rub yourself...I mean...go rub your DS. And let me
know when you are able to watch movies or listen to MP3's on it, okay?
(Probably the same day that you can watch DVD's, listen to music CD's, or
play online on your GameCube).
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"Android" <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
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And let me
quote:
> know when you are able to watch movies or listen to MP3's on it, okay?
Actually there's an addon for GBA that allows you to play video and mp3.
Already came out in Japan not long ago.
http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/573/573438p1.html
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"Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what the
> DS costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred bucks
> more than the Japanese have to pay for it.
>
> The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that the
> US market is completely different than the Japanese market and that in the
> US they'll have to charge more for the system that has the smaller market
> but are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit. The average person in
> the US has no need for a portable gaming device like the PSP and the
> stigma that is connected to being a geek and playing a portable in public.
> The DS, on the other hand, will have the younger market where such stigmas
> tend to be less prevalent. Sony is completely skipping that market with
> their PSP unit.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the XBox,
> etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in their PSP
> in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly like most fringe
> technology.
>
> So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware and
> Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
> interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
I think the US have got it good compared to UK. We have had elevated prices
for a very long time with regards to electrical products, movies, games and
basically anything on the market and always pay much more than
US/Canada/Japan and so on. I would like to say its about time US paid more,
but that would be selfish. I would much prefer we pay less here in line with
the rest of the world.
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| Mattinglyfan 2005-02-13, 11:33 am |
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"Beck" <my_bulkmail@btopenworld.invalid> wrote in message
news:377eohF58oh9jU1@individual.net...
quote:
>
> "Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
> news:420d5535$0$62695$45beb828@newscene.com...
>
> I think the US have got it good compared to UK. We have had elevated
> prices for a very long time with regards to electrical products, movies,
> games and basically anything on the market and always pay much more than
> US/Canada/Japan and so on. I would like to say its about time US paid
> more, but that would be selfish. I would much prefer we pay less here in
> line with the rest of the world.
>
I think it sucks that you guys have to wait longer to get games anyway. I
never understood the system though so I won't comment on that. With the
PSP, won't you guys get the exact same version of games? It's not like the
language would be different or anything.
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| Joe Phillips 2005-02-13, 11:33 am |
| "Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in
news:420d5535$0$62695$45beb828@newscene.com:
quote:
> Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what
> the DS costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred
> bucks more than the Japanese have to pay for it.
>
> The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that
> the US market is completely different than the Japanese market and
> that in the US they'll have to charge more for the system that has the
> smaller market but are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit.
> The average person in the US has no need for a portable gaming device
> like the PSP and the stigma that is connected to being a geek and
> playing a portable in public. The DS, on the other hand, will have
> the younger market where such stigmas tend to be less prevalent. Sony
> is completely skipping that market with their PSP unit.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the
> XBox, etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in
> their PSP in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly
> like most fringe technology.
>
> So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware and
> Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
> interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
>
>
>
Say sega gamegear, sega nomad, atari linx, whatever, over and over.
I still have the sega gamegear I got as a high school graduation gift
back in 1994. The only game I ever had for it was Sonic 2 (which just
happened to come with it). I never saw a need to buy any games as my
cousin would just lend me any of the few he had. Unfortunately during
the height of the ps1 era every one of them, including Sonic 2 if I'm
remembering correctly, got traded in at the local EB. Maybe I'll stick
it up on ebay and finally get rid of it. Or maybe I'll hold onto it
hoping for the day I'd be able to walk into EB or Gamestop and buy every
Sega GameGear game for a really ridiculously low price.
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"Mattinglyfan" <Estoscacahuates@comcast.net (deez nuts)> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> I think it sucks that you guys have to wait longer to get games anyway. I
> never understood the system though so I won't comment on that. With the
> PSP, won't you guys get the exact same version of games? It's not like
> the language would be different or anything.
They say the main problem is usually language. We don't get UK specific
games here, we get European. Because there are so many different languages
in Europe they have to code different languages into the games. Often when
we start a game we get a choice of language - usually English, French,
Spanish, Italian, maybe German.
But I do not accept this as a reason for delayed games. I am sure it would
not take much to have the translators coding the languages as they are
developing the game. Sometimes the difference in releases is only a few
weeks, sometimes its months and months. So there is no rhyme or reason to
it all.
Sony say that the PSP is to be region free, but then also say that
developers can region lock their individual games if they want to, so that
puts us back to square one of possibily being region locked again. This is
a pissy situation as I could import a PSP from US and they find the games
from UK may or may not work. Pot luck.
Why they shit on us, I do not know, it happens time and time again and quite
frankly I am really sick of it.
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| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-13, 5:40 pm |
| In article <420d5535$0$62695$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what the DS
>costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred bucks more
>than the Japanese have to pay for it.
>
>The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that the US
>market is completely different than the Japanese market and that in the US
>they'll have to charge more for the system that has the smaller market but
>are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit. The average person in the
>US has no need for a portable gaming device like the PSP and the stigma that
>is connected to being a geek and playing a portable in public. The DS, on
>the other hand, will have the younger market where such stigmas tend to be
>less prevalent. Sony is completely skipping that market with their PSP
>unit.
>
>It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the XBox,
>etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in their PSP
>in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly like most fringe
>technology.
>
>So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware and
>Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
>interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
>
>
Limited interest? I guess you missed my post about my pre-buy deal on the PSP.
I just pre-bought mine last week at EB Electronics and the guy said they had
just passed 80 preorders for the PSP. I asked how many they had for the DS and
he said they had around 40 for it. Please keep in mind that the PSP still has
at least a month to go before release. Not sure where your getting this
limited interest stuff from.
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| Fred Liken 2005-02-13, 9:40 pm |
| "Android" <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8sOdnTUMZNZJxpDfRVn-2g@comcast.com...
quote:
> That's a ridiculous theory, Einstein. "Say, Toshihiro, our PSP market is
> going to be smaller in the US than in Japan, so let's charge them MORE for
> the system, okay?" "Great idea, Akira!" Why would Sony want to do that?
It's simple economics. Supply and demand, my ignorant friend. If the nerds
are willing to pay that much, hit them for that much. If there's no real
interest in your product beyond the nerds, you won't make any more money by
reducing the price and still selling to only the nerds. It's simple.
quote:
> And, by the way, if the DS was only aimed at the younger market, why is it
> $149,
Because of inflation, etc. The GameBoy cost more than that at launch and
was for children as well.
quote:
> why are the games more for adults/teens than kids,
What games?
quote:
> and why doesn't it come in red and blue yet?
Because you can release it in white and charge them again later after they
drop theirs in the sandbox and it doesn't work anymore.
quote:
> Nintendo is also trying to reach the mainstream market.
Not really.
quote:
> How about this reason--they are offering only the "value pack" in the US,
> so
> we end up paying for all the extras.
"We" being you and your nerdy American friends, right?
quote:
> Sony wants the multimedia capabilities
> of the PSP to be a factor right out of the gate,
Right, that's a big plus to the nerds I was talking about. The ones jamming
out to They Might Be Giants wearing their black trench coats while everyone
else just gives them looks of pitty.
quote:
> but since they can't give away Spider-Man 2 on UMD without losing even
> more
> money, they need to charge for it.
Spiderman 2 isn't worth 100 dollars.
quote:
> And since they want people to recognize that the PSP plays MP3's,
> they'll force you to buy a memory stick in the hopes that you'll try to
> use
> it for music and pictures.
How lame is that? Yes, just for nerds.
quote:
> It makes sense from a marketing standpoint.
Yep, add in things that the target audience, hard core nerds, would want.
That's pretty much my point. Thanks.
quote:
> The
> more the general public sees PSP owners watching movies and listening to
> music, rather than just playing games, the more interested they'll become.
> The market they are shooting for is the same crowd that owns/purchases
> iPods, MP3 players, and portable DVD players, not just game machines.
Hardly. MP3 players actually have a significant media size to hold music.
The PSP has close to no media.
quote:
>
> Jealousy does not become you, my good sir.
I don't know what you're talking about. I wonder if you do?
quote:
> Ask EB Games or Game Stop if
> they think interest in the PSP is "limited" according to their pre-sales.
Yep.
quote:
> Ask eBay sellers if they think the interest in the PSP is "limited"
> according to the bids they are receiving.
Nerds.
quote:
> There is a lot of interest in the
> PSP, and while the higher price may cause a few people to re-think a
> launch
> day purchase, it isn't going to make much of a difference. The PSP is
> going
> to be huge...nothing like the Xbox's sales in Japan.
Hey, that's yet to be seen, but I hope they do well.
quote:
>
> I cannot answer that question since I don't agree with any of your
> premises.
Then just hush up, eh buddy?
quote:
> There is no "extreme price gouging,"
100 dollars.
quote:
> and there is not "limited interest" in the PSP.
Yep, limited interest.
quote:
> I think the only effect, so far, of the higher price is to make DS
> apologists and Sony haters like yourself come out of the woodwork.
Ah, sure it is.
quote:
> Fortunately, when the PSP is a huge hit next month, we won't have to
> listen
> to you any longer.
I hope you're right about the PSP being a huge hit, buddy.
quote:
> Go rub yourself...I mean...go rub your DS.
I don't have a DS. I only had a PSP but it was Dead on Arrival.
quote:
> And let me
> know when you are able to watch movies
Wow! How many times are you going to watch Spider Man 2 on it? Over and
over? You're dumb.
quote:
> or listen to MP3's on it, okay?
I have a legitimate MP3 player for that, not some ham stringed nerd box.
quote:
> (Probably the same day that you can watch DVD's, listen to music CD's, or
> play online on your GameCube).
The PS2 is a total piece of shit CD/DVD player. Only poor people would
actually use it as one.
For online play, I have a PC.
Why are you so defensive about wanting your nerdy PSP? I mean, get over it.
If you're too embarrased to talk about playing one, you aren't going to
actually play it in public.
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| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-14, 5:41 pm |
| In article <420ffd9e$0$2482$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"Android" <androvich@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
>news:8sOdnTUMZNZJxpDfRVn-2g@comcast.com...
>
>
>It's simple economics. Supply and demand, my ignorant friend. If the nerds
>are willing to pay that much, hit them for that much. If there's no real
>interest in your product beyond the nerds, you won't make any more money by
>reducing the price and still selling to only the nerds. It's simple.
>
So what happens when the PSP makes money hand over fist and everybody wants
one? You bring up the ignorant word a bunch and if you want to learn more
about the word just look in the mirror.
quote:
>
>Because of inflation, etc. The GameBoy cost more than that at launch and
>was for children as well.
>
>
>What games?
>
>
>Because you can release it in white and charge them again later after they
>drop theirs in the sandbox and it doesn't work anymore.
>
>
>Not really.
>
I thought you were just talking about simple economics? Are you trying to say
that Nintendo suits are stupid and don't want to make money?
quote:
>
>"We" being you and your nerdy American friends, right?
>
DS owners=incredible people/children with great social lives
PSP owners=ignorant nerds
Yeah right Freddy. Whatever you say. Sony should hire you to put the PSP to an
early grave.
quote:
>
>Right, that's a big plus to the nerds I was talking about. The ones jamming
>out to They Might Be Giants wearing their black trench coats while everyone
>else just gives them looks of pitty.
>
Its a big plus to anybody thats not totally filled with hate.
quote:
>
>Spiderman 2 isn't worth 100 dollars.
>
The PSP is worth $400 by itself. For $250 its a bargain.
quote:
>
>How lame is that? Yes, just for nerds.
>
Oh my god. What are those idiots from Sony thinking? Who would ever want an
ipod device.
quote:
>
>Yep, add in things that the target audience, hard core nerds, would want.
>That's pretty much my point. Thanks.
>
I think the target audience is the American public in general and I think your
so filled with hate and jealousy that your grasping at whatever bullshit you
can call pull out of your XXX.
quote:
>
>Hardly. MP3 players actually have a significant media size to hold music.
>The PSP has close to no media.
>
And what does the DS have?
quote:
>
>I don't know what you're talking about. I wonder if you do?
>
Sounds to me like he knows you like he knows the back of his hand.
quote:
>
>Yep.
>
Already is leading the DS 2 to 1 in presales and still has a month to go. Yep.
quote:
>
>Nerds.
>
Bring on the 40 million nerds. I guess Nintendo forgot about them......
quote:
>
>Hey, that's yet to be seen, but I hope they do well.
>
quote:
>
>Then just hush up, eh buddy?
>
Sounds like good advice for somebody thats way out of their league. Take your
own advice.
quote:
>
>100 dollars.
>
Its worth $400. $250 is a bargain.
quote:
>
>Yep, limited interest.
>
Your limited brain does not equal limited interest in the PSP.
quote:
>
>Ah, sure it is.
>
Oh now your getting logical. I knew you had it in you somewhere deep inside.
quote:
>
>I hope you're right about the PSP being a huge hit, buddy.
>
No hope about it. The PSP already is a hit with just the presales.
quote:
>
>I don't have a DS. I only had a PSP but it was Dead on Arrival.
>
LOL. So much for your credibility.
quote:
>
>Wow! How many times are you going to watch Spider Man 2 on it? Over and
>over? You're dumb.
>
I'll send pictures of mine playing A Night In Paris when I get mine.
quote:
>
>I have a legitimate MP3 player for that, not some ham stringed nerd box.
>
Jealousy is a terrible thing.
quote:
>
>The PS2 is a total piece of shit CD/DVD player. Only poor people would
>actually use it as one.
>
Hows your $45 Apex DVD player doing Freddy?
quote:
>For online play, I have a PC.
>
>Why are you so defensive about wanting your nerdy PSP? I mean, get over it.
>If you're too embarrased to talk about playing one, you aren't going to
>actually play it in public.
>
Thats what this newsgroup is here for Freddy. People who are excited to get
the new stuff from Sony. The better question would be why you are here.
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| Fred Liken 2005-02-14, 5:41 pm |
| "God Magnus" <g@mg.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95FCE2BFA6BC5gmag@216.77.188.18...
quote:
> Fred Liken said
>
>
> Troll.
Typical response you would expect from a drone... So sad.
Are you actually trying to sit here and say that the PSP is not for nerds to
play in public? Honestly?
The PSP is nerdy, plain and simple. Your defensiveness is just pathetic.
"Troll"... for speaking the truth? This isn't the
alt.games.video.lets.pretend.the.psp.is.cool group, so that isn't trolling.
This is an honest discussion about the demographics that the PSP will appeal
to in the US. If you can't get over the fact that said demographics are
nerds and can't accept the fact that you're a nerd, then that's your own
problem, but you really should keep your mouth shut and learn to cope rather
than lashing out like a XXXXX.
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| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-14, 5:41 pm |
| In article <4210d213$0$19931$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"God Magnus" <g@mg.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns95FCE2BFA6BC5gmag@216.77.188.18...
>
>Typical response you would expect from a drone... So sad.
>
>Are you actually trying to sit here and say that the PSP is not for nerds to
>play in public? Honestly?
>
>The PSP is nerdy, plain and simple. Your defensiveness is just pathetic.
>"Troll"... for speaking the truth? This isn't the
>alt.games.video.lets.pretend.the.psp.is.cool group, so that isn't trolling.
>This is an honest discussion about the demographics that the PSP will appeal
>to in the US.
The demographics is everybody that doesn't have their head up their XXX. Go
ahead and pull yours out Fred.
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| Fred Liken 2005-02-14, 5:41 pm |
| "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
quote:
> So what happens when the PSP makes money hand over fist and everybody
> wants
> one?
Yeah, when "everybody wants one" you'll have a point. So far, that's not
been shown to be the case.
quote:
> You bring up the ignorant word a bunch and if you want to learn more
> about the word just look in the mirror.
Blah blah blah.
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I thought you were just talking about simple economics? Are you trying to
> say
> that Nintendo suits are stupid and don't want to make money?
Nope. There's a lot of money to be made off their Pokemon demographics.
Please do try to keep up, my ignorant friend.
quote:
> DS owners=incredible people/children with great social lives
Incredible people? Hardly. An adult that owns a DS is a nerd. That's
that.
A child that owns it is just simply that, a child. No distinction as to
their social lives was given. Probably below par, I'd guess though. Don't
know.
quote:
> PSP owners=ignorant nerds
Ignorant? Doubt it. You must have misread the post if you think that,
silly retard. 
quote:
> Yeah right Freddy. Whatever you say. Sony should hire you to put the PSP
> to an
> early grave.
Nintendo?
quote:
> Its a big plus to anybody thats not totally filled with hate.
Hate? lol. Who's going to trade in their iPod mini for some nerdy monster
that holds one one thousandths of said iPod? Yep, only nerds...
quote:
> The PSP is worth $400 by itself. For $250 its a bargain.
lol. To you and your ilk, no doubt. It's the point I was making. Thanks
for the support.
quote:
> Oh my god. What are those idiots from Sony thinking? Who would ever want
> an
> ipod device.
PSP is hardly an iPod device. You can get an MP3 player with 32 megs (or do
they even make them that small anymore?) for peanuts. Why would anyone want
to pay 250 for it? Yep, only nerds. You aren't thinking very hard, as
usual.
quote:
> I think the target audience is the American public in general and I think
> your
> so filled with hate and jealousy that your grasping at whatever bullshit
> you
> can call pull out of your XXX.
Hate and jealousy? Over a nerd toy? Why would I hate the PSP? It has not
effect on me what so ever. Jealousy? I could buy three PSPs with the money
in my POCKET, so I would doubt that's a factor.
The fact that you even try to change this discussion about the FACTs of the
PSP into a simple ad hominem attack shows that you, my friend, are the only
one full of hate.
quote:
> And what does the DS have?
Who said the DS was an MP3 player? Are you confused, my ignorant friend?
Who claimed Nintendo was "shooting for the same crowd that owns/purchases
iPods, portable DVDs, etc"?
Man, you're dumb.
quote:
> LOL. So much for your credibility.
What?
quote:
> Hows your $45 Apex DVD player doing Freddy?
lol. Hardly.
quote:
> Thats what this newsgroup is here for Freddy. People who are excited to
> get
> the new stuff from Sony. The better question would be why you are here.
To ask the hard hitting questions! That's obvious, dumb XXX.
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-14, 9:40 pm |
| In article <42111331$0$75769$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>To ask the hard hitting questions! That's obvious, dumb XXX.
>
>
Sorry Freddy but the only thing thats obvious around here is your hate and
jealousy of the PSP. Don't let that stop you from posting though. I find it
very amusing(stupid things like this are always amusing to those of us with
small minds).
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-14, 9:40 pm |
| In article <42111331$0$75769$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>lol. Hardly.
Ok so I was wrong. Hows your $45 Cyberhome DVD player doing.
| |
| Hank the Rapper 2005-02-14, 9:40 pm |
| Fred Liken wrote:
<snip>
Just a quick question, Fred. Is the PSP more or less nerdy than the DS?
| |
| Robert P Holley 2005-02-15, 5:42 pm |
|
Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Who didn't see that one coming? The PSP will cost almost twice what
the DS
quote:
> costs in the US. Seems strange as it is priced about a hundred bucks
more
quote:
> than the Japanese have to pay for it.
>
> The main reason behind this is most likely that Sony understands that
the US
quote:
> market is completely different than the Japanese market and that in
the US
quote:
> they'll have to charge more for the system that has the smaller
market but
quote:
> are adults, compared to the accessible DS unit. The average person
in the
quote:
> US has no need for a portable gaming device like the PSP and the
stigma that
quote:
> is connected to being a geek and playing a portable in public. The
DS, on
quote:
> the other hand, will have the younger market where such stigmas tend
to be
quote:
> less prevalent. Sony is completely skipping that market with their
PSP
quote:
> unit.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the PSP doesn't go the route of the
XBox,
quote:
> etc, went in Japan. At least Sony realizes that the interest in
their PSP
quote:
> in the US is very limited and have priced it accordingly like most
fringe
quote:
> technology.
>
> So, what effect do you think the extreme price gouging on Hardware
and
quote:
> Software, which costs at least ten dollars more, and the very limited
quote:
> interest in the PSP will have on the US market?
I don't see the PSP having limited interest in the US. I see the PSP
doing the same thing for handhelds as the PSX did for home consoles.
Removing the stereotype and image of being a "kids toy" into something
more mainstream.
| |
|
|
"Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
news:4212475f$0$75769$45beb828@newscene.com...
quote:
> "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Oh9Qd.96470$mt.34534@fed1read03...
>
> lol. I'd rather use a ViewMaster.
View master makes a DVD player??? cool! ;-)
I have a Cyberhome DVD player too it worked real good a couple times!
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-15, 9:39 pm |
| In article <4212475f$0$75769$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:Oh9Qd.96470$mt.34534@fed1read03...
>
>lol. I'd rather use a ViewMaster.
>
>
Like they say.....third time is the charm.....hows your.....
http://www.gift-catalogue.com/product14693.html
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-15, 9:39 pm |
| In article <37f3blF57ps9iU1@individual.net>, kthune@alexanderjeepfrankling.com
says...
quote:
>
>
>"Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
>news:4212475f$0$75769$45beb828@newscene.com...
>
>
>View master makes a DVD player??? cool! ;-)
>
>I have a Cyberhome DVD player too it worked real good a couple times!
>
>
LOL!!! I got one of those turds free with my LCD set I bought at Best Buy. It
also only worked a couple of times and then the door just fell off and the bay
wouldn't go back in.
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-15, 9:39 pm |
| In article <421253e3$0$19889$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:uLWdnejTj5ICpIzfRVn-rQ@giganews.com...
>
>Good question. In my opinion, the PSP is less nerdy than the DS. I'd think
>it would be less nerdy for an adult to play the PSP in public than an adult
>playing the DS in public, etc, but that's simply relative. Using either
>publicly as and adult makes you a nerd. A real hard core nerd. Sitting in
>your house playing, etc, not really, but doesn't that knock out a major
>portion of the appeal of a portable?
>
>Therein lies the problem with the PSP skipping the children's market
>completely and the DS embracing it, I believe. The real use for a portable
>is negated by the PSP because it dismisses its main purpose.
>
>Perhaps Sony is banking on the infantilism of modern American adults in this
>respect. I just don't believe it's there yet.
>
>
LOL!! They are banking on the fact that almost any American with any love of
media/gaming will want one. If that makes me infantile then so be it. Your
straw grasping really has me laughing my XXX off Freddy.
| |
| God Magnus 2005-02-15, 9:39 pm |
| Fred Liken said
quote:
> It's nerdy for an adult to play them in public, yes. I stated that
> much, if you weren't such a blind fanboy you would have seen that.
What am I a fan boy of, exactly? I never stated any intentions of getting
any portable system. I have no intentions of getting the PSP. $50 games for
a portable? No.
quote:
> It's not so nerdy for children to play them in public... And the PSP
> is dismissing that demographic.
So? I don't care how many they sell. I'm sticking with my GBA SP.
--
The Kitchen Sink
http://bellsouthpwp.net/g/m/gmagnus/
| |
| Hank the Rapper 2005-02-15, 9:39 pm |
| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Good question. In my opinion, the PSP is less nerdy than the DS. I'd
> think it would be less nerdy for an adult to play the PSP in
> public than an adult playing the DS in public, etc, but that's simply
> relative. Using either publicly as and adult makes you a nerd. A
> real hard core nerd. Sitting in your house playing, etc, not really,
> but doesn't that knock out a major portion of the appeal of a
> portable?
I agree. I would expect to get a wedgie if I was seen
playing Wario Ware Touched in public.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 3:41 am |
| "Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote
quote:
> I don't see the PSP having limited interest in the US. I see the PSP
> doing the same thing for handhelds as the PSX did for home consoles.
> Removing the stereotype and image of being a "kids toy" into something
> more mainstream.
Hmmm.... If that's the case it should do quite well, but I kind of hope it
doesn't for societies' sake. The US population is already suffering from
debilitating infantilism. That would probably be a huge hit to that as
well.
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-16, 3:41 am |
| In article <4212ab5b$0$75815$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote
>
>
>Hmmm.... If that's the case it should do quite well, but I kind of hope it
>doesn't for societies' sake. The US population is already suffering from
>debilitating infantilism. That would probably be a huge hit to that as
>well.
>
>
I'm loving it baby! Your like a cat in a burlap sack thats soaking wet.
| |
| Robert P Holley 2005-02-16, 5:41 pm |
|
Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> "Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote
>
PSP[vbcol=seagreen]
consoles.[vbcol=seagreen]
something[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Hmmm.... If that's the case it should do quite well, but I kind of
hope it
quote:
> doesn't for societies' sake. The US population is already suffering
from
quote:
> debilitating infantilism. That would probably be a huge hit to that
as
quote:
> well.
How would the popularity of a handheld gameplayer/multimedia device
lead to infantilism? Are you suggesting that handhelds should remain
as children-type toys?
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 5:41 pm |
| "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Birds of a feather stick together.
Flock.
quote:
> Who are you going back and forth with Freddy?
> Thats the difference between you and I Freddy.
> I realize I'm pathetic and have no problem admitting it
> but you go around thinking your actually
> something and that puts my pathetic life one step up on the ladder.
You state I'm stupid, then get all verbotonous because I repeat it?
You're cute as a button.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 5:41 pm |
| "TNKEV" <kthune@alexanderjeepfrankling.com> wrote in message
news:37f3blF57ps9iU1@individual.net...
quote:
>
> View master makes a DVD player??? cool! ;-)
>
> I have a Cyberhome DVD player too it worked real good a couple times!
I guess they are OK for older TVs, so there's no shame in having one.
Definitely is better than a PS2 as one.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
|
"massivegrooves" <massivegrooves@massivegrooves.net> wrote in message
news:42127345.7020203@massivegrooves.net...
quote:
>
>
> MS#1Fanboy-JoJo wrote:
>
> LMFAO!!! That was good ;)
Yep!
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
|
"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
news:HKsQd.96729$mt.21062@fed1read03...
quote:
> In article <4212475f$0$75769$45beb828@newscene.com>,
> fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
> Like they say.....third time is the charm.....hows your.....
>
> http://www.gift-catalogue.com/product14693.html
Oh, that thing's a piece of crap. I bought one for Mattinglyfan as a peace
offering after I broke his heart and headboard Monday night. He can't tell
the difference, though, seeing as his vision's still a little blurry after I
took a dump on his face... at his request. I told him I had three bowls of
Scotch Bonnet chili, but he said he loved the pain. Bet he didn't expect
the Hershey Ho Down, though! He squealed like a BIEYATCH!
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
| "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
quote:
> LOL!!! I got one of those turds free with my LCD set I bought at Best Buy.
> It
> also only worked a couple of times and then the door just fell off and the
> bay
> wouldn't go back in.
LOL! You're a MARK!
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
| "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
quote:
> LOL!! They are banking on the fact that almost any American with any love
> of
> media/gaming will want one. If that makes me infantile then so be it. Your
> straw grasping really has me laughing my XXX off Freddy.
I wouldn't know. I just told them to refund my money because I got the
SECOND PSP in the mail, and it's DOA as well.
Maybe in July.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
| "Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I agree. I would expect to get a wedgie if I was seen
> playing Wario Ware Touched in public.
As it should be. Society needs to punish those Peter Pan idiots.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
| "God Magnus" <g@mg.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95FEB798EDE0Agmag@216.77.188.18...
quote:
> So? I don't care how many they sell. I'm sticking with my GBA SP.
Then you're being quite foolish posting to a thread about how many they'll
sell, fanboy.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-16, 9:41 pm |
| "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
quote:
> I'm loving it baby! Your like a cat in a burlap sack thats soaking wet.
You're like a three legged dog on a pogo stick. CHECK MATE!
| |
| Mattinglyfan 2005-02-17, 3:39 am |
|
"Delameko Stone" <dlux@destro.org> wrote in message
news:ISJQd.2370093$f47.414287@news.easynews.com...
quote:
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
>
> Let me know when your so-called 'intelligent conversation' starts up and
> I'll jump right in...
>
> So far all I'm reading is flawed arguments and bad attempts at saving
> face.
Welcome to Freddy's world.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-17, 3:39 am |
| "Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote
quote:
> PSP
> consoles.
> something
> hope it
> from
> as
>
> How would the popularity of a handheld gameplayer/multimedia device
> lead to infantilism?
It would be a corrosion of adulthood. It would blur the line between child
and adult, something that's already rather strained in the post Gen-X era.
People living with their parents when they are grown spending their money on
toys is debilitation. Comes a time to put away the toys and get a job.
quote:
> Are you suggesting that handhelds should remain as children-type toys?
They'll always be children-type toys even if "adults" play them, would be
more along the lines of what I'm saying. I believe that pretty much.
"Adults" would just be playing with more children toys.
WHAT?! That's what it is!!!! Japan is trying to weaken the US workforce by
turning them into escapist man babies!
I hope it's clear I don't believe everyone that buys a PSP is a child man.
It's the stigma and dissolving of that stigma and ensuing popularity of the
system that we're talking about.
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-17, 5:42 pm |
| In article <4213d0b0$0$75774$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
>
>
>You're like a three legged dog on a pogo stick. CHECK MATE!
>
>
I'm not making up stupid shit about the PSP like you. Sorry no check mate.
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-17, 5:42 pm |
| In article <4214261a$0$75855$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote
>
>
>It would be a corrosion of adulthood. It would blur the line between child
>and adult, something that's already rather strained in the post Gen-X era.
>People living with their parents when they are grown spending their money on
>toys is debilitation. Comes a time to put away the toys and get a job.
>
>
>They'll always be children-type toys even if "adults" play them, would be
>more along the lines of what I'm saying. I believe that pretty much.
>"Adults" would just be playing with more children toys.
>
>WHAT?! That's what it is!!!! Japan is trying to weaken the US workforce by
>turning them into escapist man babies!
>
>I hope it's clear I don't believe everyone that buys a PSP is a child man.
>It's the stigma and dissolving of that stigma and ensuing popularity of the
>system that we're talking about.
>
>
I play my Gameboy Advance SP at work during break time and at lunch all the
time. So do many other people I work with and were a bunch of old aircraft
mechanics. I just love it when I see Jersey(his nickname) who just turned 60
playing on his SP just laughing his XXX off and having a great time.
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-17, 5:42 pm |
| In article <4213cfaa$0$75771$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
>
>
>I wouldn't know. I just told them to refund my money because I got the
>SECOND PSP in the mail, and it's DOA as well.
>
>Maybe in July.
>
>
LMAO!!! Your lies are getting bigger and bigger. I bet your nose is getting
heavy with it being so long now huh?
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-17, 5:42 pm |
| In article <4213bdea$0$19930$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
>
>
>
>
>Flock.
>
>
>You state I'm stupid, then get all verbotonous because I repeat it?
>
>You're cute as a button.
>
I know......JoJo blushes.
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-17, 5:42 pm |
|
"Delameko Stone" <dlux@destro.org> wrote in message
news:ISJQd.2370093$f47.414287@news.easynews.com...
quote:
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
>
> Let me know when your so-called 'intelligent conversation' starts up and
> I'll jump right in...
>
> So far all I'm reading is flawed arguments and bad attempts at saving
> face.
I SAID HUSH UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| Fred Liken 2005-02-17, 5:42 pm |
| "Mattinglyfan" <Estoscacahuates@comcast.net (deez nuts)> wrote in message
news:ed2dnZ89B7jDnonfRVn-pw@comcast.com...
quote:
> Welcome to Freddy's world.
How are your eyes, Poopie Head?
| |
| Doug Jacobs 2005-02-17, 9:40 pm |
| In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 God Magnus <g@mg.com> wrote:
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> You want the truth? If you're here, you're a nerd.
You're trying to get Fred to acknowledge the truth? Hee hee. You're
funny.
| |
| Doug Jacobs 2005-02-17, 9:40 pm |
| In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 massivegrooves <massivegrooves@massivegrooves.net> wrote:
quote:
> As far as skipping an entire market/kids. That happens with most
> products like this, initially they are out of reach of the average kid
> but in time as they sell more and production costs come down they will
> be cheaper and reach a larger audience. There will still be a large
> portion of kids who end up with one anyway, those that are spoiled and
> parents that are not smart enough to realize this is not something
> children under a certain age need to have anyway. Need to reach an
> age/point of responsibility to care for and handle something like that IMO.
Case in point - PDAs. When they first came out, no one thought about
getting on for a kid, but now after several generations, I got a friend's
daughter a Scooby-Doo themed PDA that just holds phone numbers and a
simple calendar. Being a big Scooby fan, she loves it and takes it to
school with her to keep her friends' phone numbers, and her homework
assignments in it.
| |
| Doug Jacobs 2005-02-17, 9:40 pm |
| In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Delameko Stone <dlux@destro.org> wrote:
quote:
> So this nerd/non-nerd stuff is still active in America?
Not outside of jr high or high school - which probably explains Fred.
quote:
> I gotta say, here in the UK its been a long time since I've heard
> someone be called a nerd. My best mate's a bouncer and he spends all
> his spare time playing Gamecube and PS2. The guitarist on my new album
> is in a hardcore punk band, he has many piercings, the DS is his
> favourite new toy which he plays all the time and he can't wait to get
> his hands on a PSP. I know a half dozen mothers who play PS2 and trade
> games and are all looking forward to the PSP so they can play it down
> the laundry. I have a GCN, PS2, XBox, N64, SNES, DC, GBA, and DS that
> are currently active, I wouldn't call myself a nerd, and neither would
> anyone that knows me...
Didn't think you folks used "nerd", but "swot" instead. Yeah, not quite
the same, but pretty close.
| |
| Robert P Holley 2005-02-20, 9:39 pm |
|
Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> "Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote
>
PSP[vbcol=seagreen]
consoles.[vbcol=seagreen]
something[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Hmmm.... If that's the case it should do quite well, but I kind of
hope it
quote:
> doesn't for societies' sake. The US population is already suffering
from
quote:
> debilitating infantilism. That would probably be a huge hit to that
as
quote:
> well.
How would the popularity of a handheld gameplayer/multimedia device
lead to infantilism? Are you suggesting that handhelds should remain
as children-type toys?
| |
| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-02-21, 3:40 am |
| In article <4213cfaa$0$75771$45beb828@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote
>
>
>I wouldn't know. I just told them to refund my money because I got the
>SECOND PSP in the mail, and it's DOA as well.
>
>Maybe in July.
>
>
LMAO!!! Your lies are getting bigger and bigger. I bet your nose is getting
heavy with it being so long now huh?
| |
| Doug Jacobs 2005-02-21, 3:40 am |
| In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 God Magnus <g@mg.com> wrote:
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> You want the truth? If you're here, you're a nerd.
You're trying to get Fred to acknowledge the truth? Hee hee. You're
funny.
| |
| Doug Jacobs 2005-02-22, 9:40 pm |
| In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Delameko Stone <dlux@destro.org> wrote:
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> ROFL!! I don't think I've ever been heard someone called a 'swot'...
I came across it while looking for books on learning Japanese. A
publisher in Japan had started to republish popular manga titles with
English translations in the comic, with the original Japanese dialog, plus
vocabulary, translation notes, etc. crammed into the margins. In case
you're into manga, the title was Love Hina, and one of Keitaro's friends
sees Naru dressed up as a dumpy student with glasses and all and says
something like "Now, she's a swot, aint she?" (at which point Naru hauls
off and slugs him into the next scene - literally..)
quote:
> I don't think nerd-culture exists so much over here anymore. People
> rely too much on computers. If a guy spends all his time working with
> computers he's just as likely to throw the coolest parties as the guy
> playing football. But then, thinking about it, we don't have such a
> clique-type setup, we don't have jocks and nerd seperation etc.
I've also heard the term "workman's holiday" from over there too. We've
got way too much of that sort of thing here as well unfortunatly.
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