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>From the December PSM

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>
> Of course, xflop 1.5 full circle looks better than current gen, after
>all, it is 5 years later. But, it is not showing next-gen times 2, it
>is showing next-gen times 1.5, befitting its label. PS3 is two times
>x1.5, the PS3 has twice the power of the xflop 1.5 full circle. The
>latest comments about the xflop 1.5 full circle hands-on reviews have
>been, yeah, it looks a little better but it doesn't seem to be bringing
>anything new to gaming. The PS3 is going to change that and show what
>Real Nextgen looks and plays like.
>
>
>http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/9725/decpsm6ch.jpg
>
>Five Ways the Playstation 3 Will Change Games
>
>...Not every game will do this stuff, but the ability to will still
>exist for game makers with the time and creativity to tap into it.
>Let's take a look at just a few of the new gameplay experiences that
>PS3 will make possible
>
>1. The End of the "disappearing act"
>
>In theory: Everything that happens in or to the game world will be
>persistent.
>
>In Action: You break it, it stays broken. You kill'em, they pile up.
>Even when you go back to previously visited areas later in the game,
>you'll see that path of destruction you've left behind - enemies may
>even have decomposed or trees rotted. you definitely won't have to ask
>yourself "Have I been through this area before?"
>
>2. Great minds think alike
>
>In Theory: Enemies will react to what your character does and the
>situation they're in more realistically than ever. In fact, they'll be
>able to be nearly as smart and adaptive as the player.
>
>In action: Enemies will run out of ammo and ditch their gun for another
>one- maybe even a better one. Maybe the gun you were hoping to grab.
>They might also dash for the same ammo pick-up available to you,
>abandoning their cover and opening them up for a clearer shot. Remember
>shooting out lights and using night vision goggles to sneak up on
>enemies? Now they'll use that trick, too... so you'll have to make sure
>you can see in the dark as well.
>
>3. Uncanned animation
>
>In Theory: Motion capturing and traditional frame-by-frame character
>animation will give way to "smart" actions that take the character's
>physical attributes and their surroundings into account.
>
>In action: If you're playing a platformer, your character will never
>leap or land using exactly the same animation twice. They'll "know" if
>they're exhausted from running and start to show it by a change in
>their stride. In a basketball game, the ball will never look like it's
>connected to your player's hand by a rubber band; in Madden, players
>will "know" their uniforms are dirty and brush themselves off at the
>line of scrimmage. Enemies won't always fall down the same way when
>shot, but they won't flail around like rag dolls either. If they're
>standing by a rail, for example, they'll "know" to try and grab it with
>one or both hands if you throw them over it. Even if they hang on, you
>can shoot their hands.
>
>4. Never been there, never seen that
>
>In theory: The immense capacity of Blu-Ray discs will overcome the
>limitations of even dual layer DVD and enable artisits to create game
>environments that never look repetitious. Their only limitations will
>be the amount of time they have to actually create objects and
>textures.
>
>In Action: Games will be able to have many more types of environments,
>and more variety within each of them, without having to the areas in
>the game any smaller to compensate. Objects won't just break; the extra
>room for textures on the disc will allow for almost limitless states of
>appearance - scorched, cracked, chipped, scratched. Heck, even sand
>that can turn to glass under the heat of a rocket thruster.
>
>5. Interacting in newer, better ways
>
>In theory: More processing power will take the capabilities of the
>EyeToy and voice recognition to new levels.
>
>In Action: Your role-playing hero is having a heart-to-heart talk with
>their love interest. Only they're actually talking to and seeing you.
>Will you sound confident or cowardly? Have a happy face or a plain one?
>The very inflection of your voice and look on your face will determine
>his or her reaction. In squad-based military games, when your team's
>back is up against a wall and the enemy's just aroudn the corner,
>you'll actually have to whisper your plan of attack to prevent being
>overheard and that plan of attack can be very specific. "You, run
>across the street and take cover behind the red car!"
>
>(Picture and caption to number 5) Sony is already working on a PS3 game
>called Eyedentify that combines advanced voice and face recognition. In
>it, you control a duo of crime fighting females that react
>realistically to your commands, tone of voice, and facial expressions.
>
>Every Game Should Do This
>
>We're not game developers, and we dont' pretend to fully understand all
>of the hardships involved in making games, but as gamers, we know what
>we want - nay, demand - from our next-gernation games. Fair or not, the
>customer is always right, so listen up, developers!
>
>60 Frames Per Second, Standard
>A high frame rate can make an incredible difference in a game,
>especially fast-moving racing games and first-person shooters. It
>provides extra-smooth control and solid, quality feel. If triple-A PS2
>titles like GT4 and God of War can run at 60fps, then why should we
>settle for anything less on PS3? If a trade-off has to be made, we'd
>gladly swap the last 5% of backround detail for a more enjoyable
>overall feel to the gameplay.
>
>No Load Times
>Since we're still dealing with disc-based games, we'll settle for "much
>improved" load times. Even though PS3 games will need to load up more
>polygons, more detailed textures and so on, BD-ROM will allow
>everything to constantly stream from the disc so we don't have to sit
>around staring at progress bars any more.
>
>In-Game Memory Card Management
>We've all done it - you play a game for, like, half an hour, only to
>find out that you don't have enough room left on your memory card to
>save. All you can do is reboot to the PS2's main menu and lose all of
>your hard work. Games need to let players access their memory card
>files from within the game. That way, you could quickly clear some
>space, save and continue playing.
>
>Sleep Mode
>Handhelds like the PSP and the Nintendo DS have this, and it's about
>time that consoles offer it, too. For too long, players have been
>unfairly penalized for having to stop their game. Something comes up,
>you've gotta run, but no - you're stuck searching for a save point or
>else you'll have to redo everything you've just accomplished. Game
>makers should recognize that players shouldn't be beholden to their
>games by inculding a sleep mode that will allow us to easily save our
>place at a moment's notice.
>
>PS3 Specs
>CPU
>Cell Processor
>PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
>1 VMX vector unit per core
>512KB L2 cache
>7 x SPE @3.2GHz
>7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
>7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
>* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
>total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
>
>GPU
>RSX @550MHz
>1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
>Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
>Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
>
>Sound
>Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
>Memory
>256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
>
>System Bandwidth
>Main RAM 25.6GB/s
>VRAM 22.4GB/s
>RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
>SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
>
>System Floating Point Performance
>2 TFLOPS
>
>Storage
>Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
>
>I/O
>USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
>Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
>SD standard/mini x 1
>CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
>
>Communication
>Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x
>2)
>Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
>Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
>
>Controller
>Bluetooth (up to 7)
>USB 2.0 (wired)
>Wi-Fi (PSP)
>Network (over IP)
>
>AV Output
>Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
>HDMI: HDMI out x 2
>Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
>Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
>
>Disc Media
>CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R,
>CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio
>side), DualDisc (DVD side)
>DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM,
>DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
>Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
>

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> Blig Merk wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> In theory: games will approach real life experiences.
>
> In action: developers have nowhere near enough time or resources to
> programmtically recreate this scenario so all we're likely to get is
> a bit more eye candy.
>
> Makes your rantings pretty pointless really.

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> Of course, xflop 1.5 full circle looks better than current gen, after
> all, it is 5 years later. But, it is not showing next-gen times 2, it
> is showing next-gen times 1.5, befitting its label. PS3 is two times
> x1.5, the PS3 has twice the power of the xflop 1.5 full circle. The
> latest comments about the xflop 1.5 full circle hands-on reviews have
> been, yeah, it looks a little better but it doesn't seem to be
> bringing anything new to gaming. The PS3 is going to change that and
> show what Real Nextgen looks and plays like.
>
>
> http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/9725/decpsm6ch.jpg
>
> Five Ways the Playstation 3 Will Change Games
>
> ...Not every game will do this stuff, but the ability to will still
> exist for game makers with the time and creativity to tap into it.
> Let's take a look at just a few of the new gameplay experiences that
> PS3 will make possible
>
> 1. The End of the "disappearing act"
>
> In theory: Everything that happens in or to the game world will be
> persistent.
>
> In Action: You break it, it stays broken. You kill'em, they pile up.
> Even when you go back to previously visited areas later in the game,
> you'll see that path of destruction you've left behind - enemies may
> even have decomposed or trees rotted. you definitely won't have to ask
> yourself "Have I been through this area before?"
>
> 2. Great minds think alike
>
> In Theory: Enemies will react to what your character does and the
> situation they're in more realistically than ever. In fact, they'll be
> able to be nearly as smart and adaptive as the player.
>
> In action: Enemies will run out of ammo and ditch their gun for
> another one- maybe even a better one. Maybe the gun you were hoping
> to grab. They might also dash for the same ammo pick-up available to
> you, abandoning their cover and opening them up for a clearer shot.
> Remember shooting out lights and using night vision goggles to sneak
> up on enemies? Now they'll use that trick, too... so you'll have to
> make sure you can see in the dark as well.
>
> 3. Uncanned animation
>
> In Theory: Motion capturing and traditional frame-by-frame character
> animation will give way to "smart" actions that take the character's
> physical attributes and their surroundings into account.
>
> In action: If you're playing a platformer, your character will never
> leap or land using exactly the same animation twice. They'll "know" if
> they're exhausted from running and start to show it by a change in
> their stride. In a basketball game, the ball will never look like it's
> connected to your player's hand by a rubber band; in Madden, players
> will "know" their uniforms are dirty and brush themselves off at the
> line of scrimmage. Enemies won't always fall down the same way when
> shot, but they won't flail around like rag dolls either. If they're
> standing by a rail, for example, they'll "know" to try and grab it
> with one or both hands if you throw them over it. Even if they hang
> on, you can shoot their hands.
>
> 4. Never been there, never seen that
>
> In theory: The immense capacity of Blu-Ray discs will overcome the
> limitations of even dual layer DVD and enable artisits to create game
> environments that never look repetitious. Their only limitations will
> be the amount of time they have to actually create objects and
> textures.
>
> In Action: Games will be able to have many more types of environments,
> and more variety within each of them, without having to the areas in
> the game any smaller to compensate. Objects won't just break; the
> extra room for textures on the disc will allow for almost limitless
> states of appearance - scorched, cracked, chipped, scratched. Heck,
> even sand that can turn to glass under the heat of a rocket thruster.
>
> 5. Interacting in newer, better ways
>
> In theory: More processing power will take the capabilities of the
> EyeToy and voice recognition to new levels.
>
> In Action: Your role-playing hero is having a heart-to-heart talk with
> their love interest. Only they're actually talking to and seeing you.
> Will you sound confident or cowardly? Have a happy face or a plain
> one? The very inflection of your voice and look on your face will
> determine his or her reaction. In squad-based military games, when
> your team's back is up against a wall and the enemy's just aroudn the
> corner, you'll actually have to whisper your plan of attack to
> prevent being overheard and that plan of attack can be very specific.
> "You, run across the street and take cover behind the red car!"
>
> (Picture and caption to number 5) Sony is already working on a PS3
> game called Eyedentify that combines advanced voice and face
> recognition. In it, you control a duo of crime fighting females that
> react realistically to your commands, tone of voice, and facial
> expressions.
>
> Every Game Should Do This
>
> We're not game developers, and we dont' pretend to fully understand
> all of the hardships involved in making games, but as gamers, we know
> what we want - nay, demand - from our next-gernation games. Fair or
> not, the customer is always right, so listen up, developers!
>
> 60 Frames Per Second, Standard
> A high frame rate can make an incredible difference in a game,
> especially fast-moving racing games and first-person shooters. It
> provides extra-smooth control and solid, quality feel. If triple-A PS2
> titles like GT4 and God of War can run at 60fps, then why should we
> settle for anything less on PS3? If a trade-off has to be made, we'd
> gladly swap the last 5% of backround detail for a more enjoyable
> overall feel to the gameplay.
>
> No Load Times
> Since we're still dealing with disc-based games, we'll settle for
> "much improved" load times. Even though PS3 games will need to load
> up more polygons, more detailed textures and so on, BD-ROM will allow
> everything to constantly stream from the disc so we don't have to sit
> around staring at progress bars any more.
>
> In-Game Memory Card Management
> We've all done it - you play a game for, like, half an hour, only to
> find out that you don't have enough room left on your memory card to
> save. All you can do is reboot to the PS2's main menu and lose all of
> your hard work. Games need to let players access their memory card
> files from within the game. That way, you could quickly clear some
> space, save and continue playing.
>
> Sleep Mode
> Handhelds like the PSP and the Nintendo DS have this, and it's about
> time that consoles offer it, too. For too long, players have been
> unfairly penalized for having to stop their game. Something comes up,
> you've gotta run, but no - you're stuck searching for a save point or
> else you'll have to redo everything you've just accomplished. Game
> makers should recognize that players shouldn't be beholden to their
> games by inculding a sleep mode that will allow us to easily save our
> place at a moment's notice.
>
> PS3 Specs
> CPU
> Cell Processor
> PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
> 1 VMX vector unit per core
> 512KB L2 cache
> 7 x SPE @3.2GHz
> 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
> 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
> * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
> total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
>
> GPU
> RSX @550MHz
> 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
> Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
> Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
>
> Sound
> Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
> Memory
> 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
>
> System Bandwidth
> Main RAM 25.6GB/s
> VRAM 22.4GB/s
> RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
> SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
>
> System Floating Point Performance
> 2 TFLOPS
>
> Storage
> Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
>
> I/O
> USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
> Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
> SD standard/mini x 1
> CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
>
> Communication
> Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x
> 2)
> Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
> Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
>
> Controller
> Bluetooth (up to 7)
> USB 2.0 (wired)
> Wi-Fi (PSP)
> Network (over IP)
>
> AV Output
> Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
> HDMI: HDMI out x 2
> Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
> Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
>
> Disc Media
> CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R,
> CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc
> (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
> DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM,
> DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
> Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

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> Of course, xflop 1.5 full circle

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> Everything there except maybe the space and speed advantages of
> Blu-Ray applies equally to 360. Unfortunately most of those points
> will not apply to most games on either system, just like now.
> Current-gen games like Baldur's Gate:Dark Alliance keep every single
> corpse lying where you killed it through the entire level;

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> You guys are so funny.
> Now that Xflop has NOTHING to show for itself and PS3 has EVERYTHING
> you have to back peddle like dumbassess.

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>Blig Merk wrote:

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[vbcol=seagreen]
>Thanks for the great pic Blig.

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> Your definition of everything must be different than mine. Is there
> any real in-game video of the PS3 at work? All you guys have to go
> with is theoretical numbers and CSG videos.

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> Rene Garcia wrote:
>
>
> PWNED!
>
> -Z-

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> KillzoneBigNunts <Killzone@sony.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> You two are separate people? Really?
>
> C'mon, really?

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>
> You two are separate people? Really?
>
> C'mon, really?

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>Everything there except maybe the space and speed advantages of Blu-Ray
>applies equally to 360. Unfortunately most of those points will not
>apply to most games on either system, just like now. Current-gen games
>like Baldur's Gate:Dark Alliance keep every single corpse lying where
>you killed it through the entire level; many current games like God of
>War, Ico, GTA have essentially no loading times (even PSX games like
>Soul Reaver); incredible physics have been out for awhile in games like
>Psi-Ops; yet we're going to see plenty if not most next-gen games that
>drop the ball in all these areas.
>
>Why? Developers are lazy and want to spend the least amount of time and
>money to get the maximum profit. If the CD-ROM drive in the PSX was
>capable of streaming the entire Soul Reaver game without making you sit
>through a single loading screen, but even now with 4x DVD drives the
>vast majority of games have you staring at a progress bar, why on earth
>would the Blu-Ray suddenly make every developer have their game stream?
>The problem isn't the drive specs, it's having to tailor your game
>specifically to stream everything in, and 90% of developers aren't
>going to do it.
>
>Same goes for framerates. As they said, the best-looking games on PS2
>graphically also run the smoothest and fastest, so it's not a hardware
>issue making other games run slower/choppier, it's a developer issue.
>
>
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> In article <dc26f$435d7cb6$42139229$6390@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
> Killzone@sony.com says...
>
> Got ritalin?

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>That is, what i notice at some games.
>1. Example, Max Payne.
>Why does this game look and feel so much better on the Xbox or the PC,
>but on the PS2 it sucks.

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>
>MS#1Fanboy-JoJo wrote:
>
>
>Nah, I'm taking that new drug called Xeon Paxil
>
>--
>

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>On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:50:07 -0700, Joerg Jaeger <yester64@gmx.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>Because it was originally written for the x86 architecture that the PC
>and Xbox share and then badly ported to the entirely different
>architecture that the PS2 has.
>
>I doubt that Max Payne is the only example of this. The shared
>architecure makes the XBox ripe for PC ports.
>
>
>andyt

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> It's the same guy just split personalities.

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> One is Republican the other Democrat.