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are PS2 owners buying PS3's?
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| Tomcat (Tom) 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
and buy the PS3 without even a second thought. However, to me, it
seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
previous generation games they missed?
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| Paul Heslop 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| "Tomcat (Tom)" wrote:
quote:
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> Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
> millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
> in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
> and buy the PS3 without even a second thought. However, to me, it
> seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
> backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
> missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
> PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
> compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
> games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
> previous generation games they missed?
Heh, they'll have to prise the money from my hands :O)
--
Paul (Need a lift she said much obliged)
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Yes backwards compatibility is important. It wasn't until Sony made it
a feature of the PS2, apparently Nintendo and Microsoft took note and
considered that may have played a part in the PS2's success.
I view backwards compatibility as a standard feature. Sort of like
stereos or automatic transmissions in cars, it's become a standard,
Sony knows this too which is why they went to so much trouble to make
the PS3 backwards compatible, they eneded up having to resort to
including PS2 components to make it possible, but it was a wise move
because customers now expect it.
The XBox 360 becomes more enticing to non XBox owners because maybe
there was that one XBox game they wanted but didn't want to lay down
the money for an XBox, same with the PS3 and Wii.
Tomcat (Tom) wrote:
quote:
> Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
> millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
> in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
> and buy the PS3 without even a second thought.
Can you find a quote on this? If this is true, it shows more of the
arrogance of Sony. The truth is very clear, a good variety of solid
games is what propels a console to #1. In Japan this will work.
Customer brand loyalty is a big thing, the Japanese are also very big
on national pride, they will buy a Japanese product before an American
product just because it's Japanese so it could also be said they will
avoid an American product if it competes with a Japanese product (see
XBox 360 sales in Japan).
If Americans had this mentality Sony would probably be out of
business.
I think it's a bit ignorance on the part of the Japanese, since Sony
has Americans on their board of directors and the much hyped cell
processor was engineered and manufactured in the USA by IBM. All
console manufacturing for Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo is done in China
I believe.
As I said in another post, Nintendo has proven just because you're
riding on the wave of two mega successful consoles you can still
quickly loose the #1 spot.
However, to me, it
quote:
> seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
> backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
> missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
> PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
> compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
> games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
> previous generation games they missed?
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| Android 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
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"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167314630.888937.181470@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
> millions no matter what, even without games.
Link? I don't recall any of them ever saying that.
quote:
> They are very confident in assuming their large installed base of PS2
owners will stay loyal
quote:
> and buy the PS3 without even a second thought.
I don't remember them saying that either. Link? Quotes?
quote:
> However, to me, it seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360
because the
quote:
> backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
> missed by not owning an xbox.
Not exactly. I own ~50 original Xbox games, and less than half of them work
on the 360. So, if you are thinking about purchasing a $400 360 to check
out all the original Xbox games you missed, you would be better off
purchasing an original Xbox for $125 or less.
quote:
> Same thing with xbox owners going with PS3 instead of a 360.
> Which brings up the question whether backward
> compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
> games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
> previous generation games they missed?
I think the backwards compatibility on the PS2 was overrated. It was very
hard to go back to playing PS One games after playing PS2 games, because the
graphics and gameplay were so much better. However, in this generation, I
think backwards compatibility is more important. There are many PS2, Xbox,
and GameCube games that hold up over time...many of which I'd rather be
playing than some PS3, 360, or Wii games. And some older generation games
are simply "classics" to me. Even though I love Gears of War, for example,
I'll never get tired of playing Halo 2. So I'm glad that I can play the
last generation titles.
Is it a selling point? I doubt it. Personally, I'd still buy a 360, PS3,
and Wii even if they weren't backwards compatible. It might be a good
argument for a new system for a small number of people... "Mom and Dad, I
can still play my GameCube games!" or "But honey, it will also play our PS2
games" ...but I doubt that it is the most important factor for a purchase.
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| Odd Bob 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| "Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1167314630.888937.181470
@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
quote:
> Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
> millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
> in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
> and buy the PS3 without even a second thought.
At $300, I might have done that. At $600, I have to stop and think about it. Sony's 'clever plan' seems to
be about as well thought out as one of Baldrick's...
quote:
> However, to me, it
> seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
> backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
> missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
> PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
> compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
> games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
> previous generation games they missed?
>
>
Long as I still have a functioning PS2 the backwards compatibility isn't an issue for me. I might get me
a 360 for the reason you say. Cheaper, still going to have GTA on it, and it gives me access to a huge
library I've been missing out on these last few years.
-- Bob
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| Tomcat (Tom) 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| Android wrote:
quote:
> They are very confident in assuming their large installed base of PS2
> owners will stay loyal
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> I don't remember them saying that either. Link? Quotes?
It's been common knowledge for some time that Sony makes comments that
imply this. I can't find all the past quotes but I know there were
some made at the various gaming conventions this year.
quote:
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> Not exactly. I own ~50 original Xbox games, and less than half of them work
> on the 360.
True, but the more popular games work. Halo and Halo 2 were playable
from day 1 I think.
quote:
> So, if you are thinking about purchasing a $400 360 to check
> out all the original Xbox games you missed, you would be better off
> purchasing an original Xbox for $125 or less.
True you can buy an orig xbox or ps2 for dirt cheap but who wants 2
consoles hooked up to their TV?
I'm not saying people should rush out to buy a 360 just to play older
games, but if you are buying a new console there is still a lot of
value in last generation games and I think it can be a selling point.
It certainly was for me and I can't imagine myself being an isolated
case. I never owned the original xbox and I have found a lot of extra
value to my $400 purchase by being able to play Halo 2, Fable, KOTOR,
and others in addition to pure 360 games like GOW and Oblivion. I did
take this into account when making my purchase and I can't imagine at
least some significant number of PS2 owners not at least taking this
into account also when contemplating buying a 360.
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| Big Daddy 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| to answer your question, yes. (I'm a PS2 owner that just bought a PS3, of
course I also own the original xbox).
"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1167314630.888937.181470@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
> millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
> in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
> and buy the PS3 without even a second thought. However, to me, it
> seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
> backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
> missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
> PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
> compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
> games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
> previous generation games they missed?
>
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| jessica_smith_nyc 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| Does the 360 play old Xbox games out of the box? I thought only some
games would be backwards compatible and you need a special adapter or
download to play your old games.
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Tomcat (Tom) wrote:
quote:
> Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
> millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
> in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
> and buy the PS3 without even a second thought. However, to me, it
> seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
> backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
> missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
> PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
> compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
> games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
> previous generation games they missed?
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| Imperium 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| On 28 Dec 2006 06:03:50 -0800, "Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31@yahoo.com>
wrote:
quote:
>Some Sony higher-ups have said in the past that the PS3 will sell
>millions no matter what, even without games. They are very confident
>in assuming their large installed base of PS2 owners will stay loyal
>and buy the PS3 without even a second thought. However, to me, it
>seems like a better choice for PS2 owners to buy a 360 because the
>backward compatibility lets you play all the Xbox games, like Halo, you
>missed by not owning an xbox. Same thing with xbox owners going with
>PS3 instead of a 360. Which brings up the question whether backward
>compatabilty is really useful for allowing gamers to play their old
>games on their new system, or for gamers new to the console to play
>previous generation games they missed?
Backwards compatibly is clearly targeted at those people who owned
the previous console. It makes upgrading to a newer console easier to
justify, especially when you have a large library of current gen
games. As a gamer I always want backwards compatibility but it's not
a deal breaker.
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| Tomcat (Tom) 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| Imperium wrote:
quote:
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> Backwards compatibly is clearly targeted at those people who owned
> the previous console.
Maybe I'm the minority, but I just don't see it totally that way. When
I'm ready to buy a new console, it's because I've gotten as much play
value from my old console as I can get and am ready to upgrade to a new
system and start playing new and different games. If I want to play my
old games I still have my old console. For a person buying a console
that has backwards compatibility with a console they never owned it
seems to offer more value since they can now play games they never got
to play.
For this reason, since I own a 360 now, I could see myself possibly
favoring the PS4 over the "xbox 1080" when the new consoles are
introduced because the PS4 will let me play RFOM 1 & 2 and other cool
games I may have missed.
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| Big Daddy 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
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"Imperium" <frankmelo@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Backwards compatibly is clearly targeted at those people who owned
> the previous console.
Maybe "targeted", but that's not its only purpose. I know people who have
purchased the ps3 at launch without owning the ps2, with the idea that even
though the launch lineup is week, they can pick up old ps2 games (or better
yet, use a blockbuster gamepass to rent) and have a sizable library of games
available to them (in addition to a handful of the next gen titles) while
they wait for MORE next gen titles to be released.
I personally am doing this now...I rented "Bully" and I'm playing through
that along with RFOM/FN3/COD3 to bide time waiting for the next PS3 releases
in Jan/Feb. When I finish Bully, I'll pick up another PS2 title I haven't
played.
Backward compatibility is very valuable at the beginning of a console launch
while you wait for the newer games to be released.
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| Brenden D. Chase 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
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"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Imperium wrote:
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> Maybe I'm the minority, but I just don't see it totally that way. When
> I'm ready to buy a new console, it's because I've gotten as much play
> value from my old console as I can get and am ready to upgrade to a new
> system and start playing new and different games. If I want to play my
> old games I still have my old console. For a person buying a console
> that has backwards compatibility with a console they never owned it
> seems to offer more value since they can now play games they never got
> to play.
>
> For this reason, since I own a 360 now, I could see myself possibly
> favoring the PS4 over the "xbox 1080" when the new consoles are
> introduced because the PS4 will let me play RFOM 1 & 2 and other cool
> games I may have missed.
That's going to be one hell of a credit card bill. LOL.
There's a lot of games you missed that were really good.
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| Luke Curtis 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| On 28 Dec 2006 19:11:41 -0800, "jessica_smith_nyc"
<uwalum2002@hotmail.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Does the 360 play old Xbox games out of the box? I thought only some
>games would be backwards compatible and you need a special adapter or
>download to play your old games.
>
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>Tomcat (Tom) wrote:
You need specially written patches and a Hard drive to put them on.
The Hard Drive has a handful of BC patches on it from new - for other
games it automatically downloads them, if you have no Internet
connection you can get a CD which will transfer the patches to the HD.
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| Tomcat (Tom) 2007-01-30, 8:02 pm |
| Luke Curtis wrote:
quote:
> The Hard Drive has a handful of BC patches on it from new - for other
> games it automatically downloads them, if you have no Internet
> connection you can get a CD which will transfer the patches to the HD.
Or, you can have Circuit City install the backward compatibility
updates on your 360. They are nice enough to offer this service, and
all you have to do is give them $29 for the trouble of them slipping a
CD into your drive and waiting a few minutes:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/sl...mers-198065.php
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