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EGM's Hot Ten! A comparison.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-16, 8:32 pm |
| Number one game, Zelda Game Cube.
Number of Nintendo exclusives on hot ten, 5.
Number of Sony exclusives on hot ten, 4
Number of XBox exclusives on hot ten, 0
Number of DS games on hot ten, 4 (could be three, I forgot)
Number of PSP games on hot ten, 0.
Number of Windows Mobile games on hot ten, 0.
And people don't think Nintendo has heat? Why the disconnect between the
rantings in the Usenet and reality?
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| Yeah, and EGM making a list is an authoritive measure in what regard,
again? It may be better than an amazon.com favorite list, but beyond
that, it's just a list that is inherently subjective. It's like IGNs
game of the month, you may agree with it or you may not.
Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> And people don't think Nintendo has heat? Why the disconnect between the
> rantings in the Usenet and reality?
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| USAF LM 2005-06-16, 8:32 pm |
| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Number one game, Zelda Game Cube.
>
> Number of Nintendo exclusives on hot ten, 5.
> Number of Sony exclusives on hot ten, 4
> Number of XBox exclusives on hot ten, 0
>
> Number of DS games on hot ten, 4 (could be three, I forgot)
> Number of PSP games on hot ten, 0.
> Number of Windows Mobile games on hot ten, 0.
>
> And people don't think Nintendo has heat? Why the disconnect between the
> rantings in the Usenet and reality?
Got a link for the results?
Swi
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| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-06-16, 8:32 pm |
| In article <42b1aa4c$1$688$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>Number one game, Zelda Game Cube.
>
>Number of Nintendo exclusives on hot ten, 5.
>Number of Sony exclusives on hot ten, 4
>Number of XBox exclusives on hot ten, 0
>
>Number of DS games on hot ten, 4 (could be three, I forgot)
>Number of PSP games on hot ten, 0.
>Number of Windows Mobile games on hot ten, 0.
>
>And people don't think Nintendo has heat? Why the disconnect between the
>rantings in the Usenet and reality?
>
>
The Usenet is a better indicator of the future rather than the present.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-16, 8:32 pm |
| Yep, it's in the EGM July 2005 edition.
"USAF LM" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
> Got a link for the results?
>
> Swi
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-16, 8:32 pm |
| "MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> In article <42b1aa4c$1$688$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
> The Usenet is a better indicator of the future rather than the present.
These are the games that haven't come out yet that people voted for. It's
the future.
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| MS#1Fanboy-JoJo 2005-06-16, 8:32 pm |
| In article <42b1e1ce$1$741$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
quote:
>
>"MS#1Fanboy-JoJo" <jojo@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:R6kse.11114$6o4.718@fed1read04...
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>These are the games that haven't come out yet that people voted for. It's
>the future.
>
>
I'm referring to your comment of Nintendo having heat or not. They are cooling
off quick with stupid ideas like the no HDTV for Revolution idea.
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| littlejoeflub@yahoo.com 2005-06-17, 12:30 am |
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MS#1Fanboy-JoJo wrote:
quote:
> In article <42b1e1ce$1$741$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
> I'm referring to your comment of Nintendo having heat or not. They are cooling
> off quick with stupid ideas like the no HDTV for Revolution idea.
I find it funny that Nintendo took the port that does progressive scan
off newer gamecubes (apparently to cut production costs) yet still
releases games with that feature. Is there some kind of seperate
adapter that you hook to the regular av-out that does progressive scan
now?
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| massivegrooves 2005-06-17, 12:30 am |
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"cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> Yeah, and EGM making a list is an authoritive measure in what regard,
> again? It may be better than an amazon.com favorite list, but beyond
> that, it's just a list that is inherently subjective. It's like IGNs
> game of the month, you may agree with it or you may not.
Pretty much what I was thinking, is EGM THE definitive source now...LOL.
quote:
> Fred Liken wrote:
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littlejoeflub@yahoo.com wrote:
snip
quote:
> I find it funny that Nintendo took the port that does progressive scan
> off newer gamecubes (apparently to cut production costs) yet still
> releases games with that feature.
snip
Why wouldn't they? PS2 games were still released with support for the
HDD after the slim PS2 came out (which cannot use the HDD). Sega of
America never released a first party VGA adapter in North America for
the DC but close to if not all first party games supported VGA output,
Sega specifically locked out support for the official Sega of Japan
lightgun from most of the first party gun games on the DC, but left in
support for third party guns. Nintendo released N64 games long after
they stopped shipping new N64s. Software support for hardware almost
always extends beyond the production of the hardware itself.
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| FooAtari 2005-06-17, 8:31 pm |
| jojo@cox.net (MS#1Fanboy-JoJo) wrote in
news:hrlse.11122$6o4.6773@fed1read04:
quote:
> In article <42b1e1ce$1$741$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
> fredliken@toocool4school.com says...
> I'm referring to your comment of Nintendo having heat or not. They are
> cooling off quick with stupid ideas like the no HDTV for Revolution
> idea.
>
I dont think its such a silly idea. Most people do not have HDTV's, at
least in Europe. they are to much to spend for your average
person/household. I dont think HDTV will be common untill close or even
into the next generation of consoles after Revolution, 360 and PS3.
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| Robert P Holley 2005-06-17, 8:31 pm |
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Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Number one game, Zelda Game Cube.
>
> Number of Nintendo exclusives on hot ten, 5.
> Number of Sony exclusives on hot ten, 4
> Number of XBox exclusives on hot ten, 0
>
> Number of DS games on hot ten, 4 (could be three, I forgot)
> Number of PSP games on hot ten, 0.
> Number of Windows Mobile games on hot ten, 0.
>
> And people don't think Nintendo has heat? Why the disconnect between the
> rantings in the Usenet and reality?
It's not necessarily "reality" as you say, as this is only a tabulation
of votes taken from readers at the 1up.com web site. The voting can be
done here for those interested:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=709401099643
The wording on the page reads "Tell us what upcoming video games you
want to read about the most". There is only four Xbox exclusives to
choose from, with the GC having 15 and the PS2 having 30. There is
also only 8 PSP games to choose from versus 16 DS games.
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| joemono 2005-06-18, 3:30 am |
| cjw wrote:
quote:
> Yeah, and EGM making a list is an authoritive measure in what regard,
> again? It may be better than an amazon.com favorite list, but beyond
> that, it's just a list that is inherently subjective. It's like IGNs
> game of the month, you may agree with it or you may not.
>
You're exactly right, and I think the word you're looking for is
"opinion." If only a fraction of usenet posters would read and
understand the defintion of that word...
joemono
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| joemono wrote:
quote:
> You're exactly right, and I think the word you're looking for is
> "opinion." If only a fraction of usenet posters would read and
> understand the defintion of that word...
The reason for my reply was simply what you stated. Fred made it appear
as if the opinions of usenet posters are in contrast to reality, where
his post was supposed to be a measure of reality, though it is also
just another opinion.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "Adnan" <bekat@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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quote:
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
> Considering that EGM put Ico in the Overhyped category it's safe to say
> that they are talking out of their asses.
It's not EGM. Keep up.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> joemono wrote:
>
> The reason for my reply was simply what you stated. Fred made it appear
> as if the opinions of usenet posters are in contrast to reality, where
> his post was supposed to be a measure of reality, though it is also
> just another opinion.
Um, but your problem is that you don't realize that we aren't talking about
single opinions, but rather a survey of opinions. You can have your own
opinion, but when you ask a bunch of people what their opinions are, you get
a total. That total is no longer in the realm of opinion, but a fact about
what people's opinions are. Lost? Of course, you were lost before this
post, obviously, since your reply was so clueless.
Now, if Usenet says that "EVERYONE LIKES PSP AND HATES DS" then that is a
statement about the aggregation of people's opinions. A statement about a
fact that can be verified.
If the data doesn't support the statement, then it is not in tune with
reality.
No need to thank me in clearing this up for you. I know you have a hard
time with these abstract ideas, etc.
Please don't knee-jerk off a response. 
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| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Um, but your problem is that you don't realize that we aren't talking about
> single opinions, but rather a survey of opinions. You can have your own
> opinion, but when you ask a bunch of people what their opinions are, you get
> a total. That total is no longer in the realm of opinion, but a fact about
> what people's opinions are. Lost? Of course, you were lost before this
> post, obviously, since your reply was so clueless.
So this "data" you mention is from a survey? An internet survery? Wow,
very impressive.
I also like your algebra these days...single opinion + single opinion =
total (mysterious stuff not in realm of opinions anymore). Just as one
apple is just an apple but three apples equals....3 oranges? Not sure,
but I am sure you can clear it up for us, Fred, even if just for the
sake that you can't stand to lose.
What makes a bunch of opinions better than your opinion, or my opinion,
or my cat's opinion? They are still opinions you can agree or disagree
with and hence worth as much as any post on usenet is. That is, in my
opinion. ;)
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
>
> So this "data" you mention is from a survey?
Um, that's how it's done, simplton.
quote:
> An internet survery? Wow,
> very impressive.
It's a survey, my friend.
quote:
> I also like your algebra these days...single opinion + single opinion =
> total (mysterious stuff not in realm of opinions anymore).
It's simple statistics, not algebra, my ignorant friend. It's the central
limit theory. Read about it.
quote:
> Just as one
> apple is just an apple but three apples equals....3 oranges? Not sure,
> but I am sure you can clear it up for us, Fred, even if just for the
> sake that you can't stand to lose.
Yes, if you had a bucket of fruit and wanted to know what the ration of
fruit is, you would pick them and count them up, how many apples, how many
oranges, etc. Then you would know which you had the most of. If it was
totally random, you wouldn't even have to count all of the fruit to have a
good idea of what the ratio was within a margin of certainty. It's all very
simple stuff, my ignorant friend! EXCITING I TELL YOU!
quote:
> What makes a bunch of opinions better than your opinion, or my opinion,
> or my cat's opinion?
Because having a "bunch of opinions" can tell you what a random person's
opinion is likely to be. If I wanted to sell, say, for the sake of argument
let's pick something totally random... like... say... a portable game
system, I'd like to collect a bunch of people's opinions to see what the
average take on my system would be. It's simple statistics. You're making
an XXX of yourself by even arguing it. Typical.
quote:
> They are still opinions you can agree or disagree
> with and hence worth as much as any post on usenet is. That is, in my
> opinion. ;)
And once again, you are so clueless you miss the point. 
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Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Um, that's how it's done, simplton.
>
>
> It's a survey, my friend.
>
>
> It's simple statistics, not algebra, my ignorant friend. It's the central
> limit theory. Read about it.
>
>
> Yes, if you had a bucket of fruit and wanted to know what the ration of
> fruit is, you would pick them and count them up, how many apples, how many
> oranges, etc. Then you would know which you had the most of. If it was
> totally random, you wouldn't even have to count all of the fruit to have a
> good idea of what the ratio was within a margin of certainty. It's all very
> simple stuff, my ignorant friend! EXCITING I TELL YOU!
>
>
> Because having a "bunch of opinions" can tell you what a random person's
> opinion is likely to be. If I wanted to sell, say, for the sake of argument
> let's pick something totally random... like... say... a portable game
> system, I'd like to collect a bunch of people's opinions to see what the
> average take on my system would be. It's simple statistics. You're making
> an XXX of yourself by even arguing it. Typical.
>
>
> And once again, you are so clueless you miss the point.
Looks like Freddy hasn't taken his medicine today. He's on fire! I bet
his knuckles are red. Soon he'll go outside and set fire to an anthill
with his might hands.
In any case, I will let you go with the words of Winston Churchill, who
said that he would never trust any statistics he didn't forge himself.
An internet survey, Fred, how little do you have up your selve? Did you
consult Merriam Webster again? Central limit theory my booty! Go to the
right forum if you want to talk math. In here you will only impress the
adolecents with your buzzwords.
You quoted a silly internet survery and lifted it up high into the sky
as the status quo and now you try to save face.
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| Says the person who started this thread entitled "EGM's Hot Ten".
Moron.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
As usual, when proven wrong, CJW simply goes into ad homenim mode with no
rebuttal. So typical of his type.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Looks like Freddy hasn't taken his medicine today. He's on fire! I bet
> his knuckles are red. Soon he'll go outside and set fire to an anthill
> with his might hands.
>
> In any case, I will let you go with the words of Winston Churchill, who
> said that he would never trust any statistics he didn't forge himself.
>
> An internet survey, Fred, how little do you have up your selve? Did you
> consult Merriam Webster again? Central limit theory my booty! Go to the
> right forum if you want to talk math. In here you will only impress the
> adolecents with your buzzwords.
>
> You quoted a silly internet survery and lifted it up high into the sky
> as the status quo and now you try to save face.
You honestly think that you've made a case that requires someone to save
face against? lol. You're delusional. You got served. Deal. You tried
to talk about apples and oranges and ended up just looking like a fruit.
Now you've given up your little attempt to actually address the topic at
hand and are just name calling.... and I'm the one saving face. lol GRAND!
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "Adnan" <adnan.bekdache@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>"Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
>news:42b6f2f4$0$2470>$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
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> Says the person who started this thread entitled "EGM's Hot Ten".
>
> Moron.
Tsk tsk tsk... don't toss around the word moron unless you want to get
called on it, sweetie!
You said that EGM was talking out of their asses, which was wrong, it was
RANDOM PEOPLE that responded to the survey that did the talking, not EGM.
EGM just published the results.
You, sir, should reserve the term moron for those that deserve it, moron.
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| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> As usual, when proven wrong, CJW simply goes into ad homenim mode with no
> rebuttal. So typical of his type.
>
>
> You honestly think that you've made a case that requires someone to save
> face against? lol. You're delusional. You got served. Deal. You tried
> to talk about apples and oranges and ended up just looking like a fruit.
> Now you've given up your little attempt to actually address the topic at
> hand and are just name calling.... and I'm the one saving face. lol GRAND!
Hey Fred...maybe if we take a survey in this thread and use CLT we can
find out who the average person belives to be clueless? ;)
Btw...if anyone ever tries to stray of topic it is little Freddy, you
know that. Once Fred get's his tail wagged he pulls the Merriam-Webster
out and tries to sound educated while moving away from the topic at
hand by bringing up CLT, etc, talking about a suvery he did not design
and knows nothing about.
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| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> You said that EGM was talking out of their asses, which was wrong, it was
> RANDOM PEOPLE that responded to the survey that did the talking, not EGM.
> EGM just published the results.
While randomization is quite a theory on it's own, even Fred might
realize that having to go to a gaming website on the internet to vote
for your favorite game can hardly be called random. Further, in most
random surverys the subjects would only be consulted once, while on
most internet surverys I can go and submit and submit and submit. I
doubt EGM would go to the lengths to block IPs after voting. That's why
Gallup polls are still conducted in a different manner than using
internet surverys.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
> Hey Fred...maybe if we take a survey in this thread and use CLT we can
> find out who the average person belives to be clueless? ;)
Na, I'd rather get a bigger sample set, if you don't mind, since I know a
thing or two about statistics (unlike you).
quote:
> Btw...if anyone ever tries to stray of topic it is little Freddy, you
> know that. Once Fred get's his tail wagged he pulls the Merriam-Webster
> out and tries to sound educated while moving away from the topic at
> hand by bringing up CLT, etc, talking about a suvery he did not design
> and knows nothing about.
More ad hominem attacks and NO substance. Quit this pathetic attempt to
save face. The only people you're fooling already are so dumb they hate me,
like Mattinglyfan, etc.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> While randomization is quite a theory on it's own, even Fred might
> realize that having to go to a gaming website on the internet to vote
> for your favorite game can hardly be called random.
You're confusing the topic to try to keep your ingorance obfuscated. Won't
work.
It's a random selection of people that are interested in video games. Those
are the people there.
quote:
> Further, in most
> random surverys the subjects would only be consulted once, while on
> most internet surverys I can go and submit and submit and submit.
While you can, it would take quite a bit of work to ultimately skew the
results of a sampling that large.
quote:
> I
> doubt EGM would go to the lengths to block IPs after voting.
Cookies work just fine.
quote:
> That's why
> Gallup polls are still conducted in a different manner than using
> internet surverys.
No one said it was of Gallup poll quality, Mayor McButtRash.
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| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Na, I'd rather get a bigger sample set, if you don't mind, since I know a
> thing or two about statistics (unlike you).
If it's less than 5% of the people we are interested in we are fine...I
bet we can pull that off. ;)
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Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> You're confusing the topic to try to keep your ingorance obfuscated. Won't
> work.
>
> It's a random selection of people that are interested in video games. Those
> are the people there.
Yes, of course, Freddy. Ho hum...it is random...like totally...I mean,
random people just go there and fill out the survey. It is bliss. Would
hold up in any of your statistical research. ;)
quote:
> Cookies work just fine.
Ooookaaaay, Freddy, yes, you are right. Since cookies are such great
ways to ensure people don't vote twice. I mean, they are virtually
impossible to...say, turn off or block from just a single site.
quote:
> No one said it was of Gallup poll quality, Mayor McButtRash.
You do everytime someone challanges you. It drives you nuts.
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Mayor McButtRash.
quote:
>
>
Yet again, LOL, yer killin' me today Fred!
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
>
> Yes, of course, Freddy. Ho hum...it is random...like totally...I mean,
Um, no one said it was totally random. That's not quite attainable, but no
one would expect you to grasp that, since you're proving your lack of
understanding on the subject.
quote:
> random people just go there and fill out the survey.
No, how they get there is not random. You're just being argumentative to
save face.
quote:
> Would hold up in any of your statistical research. ;)
Is that a sentence?
quote:
>
> Ooookaaaay, Freddy, yes, you are right. Since cookies are such great
> ways to ensure
No one claimed it ensured anything.
quote:
>
> You do everytime someone challanges you. It drives you nuts.
Wow, now you're just making up stuff. It's clear you're flustered.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-20, 8:31 pm |
| "Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> I'd question EGM's hot 10 as representing "reality". Have you looked at
> previous Hot 10s?
>
> http://www.damnedmachines.com/archi..._why_you_1.html
>
> "February 13, 2005
> This Is Why Your Game Magazine Sucks (part two)"
TLDR
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> jojo@cox.net (MS#1Fanboy-JoJo) wrote in
> news:hrlse.11122$6o4.6773@fed1read04:
>
> I dont think its such a silly idea. Most people do not have HDTV's, at
> least in Europe. they are to much to spend for your average
> person/household. I dont think HDTV will be common untill close or even
> into the next generation of consoles after Revolution, 360 and PS3.
I find it hard to believe that so few people actually have a TV with HDTV
support - I have had mine FIVE years. Yes, when I got it I saw it as an
'early adopter' feature but I have been watching hidef broadcasts on cable
for the last 2 years and have enjoyed the few games supporting 1080i on
Xbox...don't think there were any on the cube that I own. I do work in a
fairly 'high tech' position but I had no idea how few people in the general
public had HDTVs when about about 50% of the folks I work with have HDTV and
all but one are gamers who play on their HDTV.
Seriously, HDTV in the US is not very expensive unless you are comparing to
the cut rate generic TVs...the price of a decent TV with and without HDTV is
very close. The one thing you may not get though is 720P support - only 480P
and 1080i...those sets with 720P do cost significantly more.
My HDTV has only 480P and 1080i..720P was pretty much cutting edge when I
got my TV ( Sony KP HS5310 ) back in June of 2000. My TV is also a 4x3
format which I wanted due to the lack of programming available at the time
in widescreen and I think it was the perfect choice as standard TV looks
great and when I watch hidef in widescreen the bars are so black they do not
bother me. I am trying to make it last another year or two until a
widescreen TV makes more sense.
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-22, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
quote:
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
> Ho hum.
At least that sounds in character.
quote:
> FL> It's a random selection of people that are interested in video
> games.
>
>
> You're funny, Fred, what a contradition.
What contradiction?
quote:
>
> Yes, Feddy, I am. People like you make me so flustered. ;) ;) ;)
Obviously.
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| Fred Liken wrote:
quote:
> Um, no one said it was totally random. That's not quite attainable, but no
> one would expect you to grasp that, since you're proving your lack of
> understanding on the subject.
Ho hum.
FL> It's a random selection of people that are interested in video
games.
quote:
> No, how they get there is not random. You're just being argumentative to
> save face.
You're funny, Fred, what a contradition.
quote:
>
> Is that a sentence?
Hehe, no it is not. Good observation. Congratulations. I am glad you
are out there to save the english language.
quote:
> No one claimed it ensured anything.
Ho hum.
cjw> I doubt EGM would go to the lengths to block IPs after voting.
FL> Cookies work just fine.
quote:
> Wow, now you're just making up stuff. It's clear you're flustered.
Yes, Feddy, I am. People like you make me so flustered. ;) ;) ;)
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-22, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am disappointed Fred, you couldn't muster up more than that? You used
> to be more entertaining than that.
When your posts to me lack any substance, just flailing trying to save face,
the replies are going to be pretty light. Sorry.
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| Fred Liken wrote:
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> "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> What contradiction?
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> Obviously.
I am disappointed Fred, you couldn't muster up more than that? You used
to be more entertaining than that.
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| Fred Liken wrote:
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> When your posts to me lack any substance, just flailing trying to save face,
> the replies are going to be pretty light. Sorry.
There you go Fred, I knew you could do it!
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| Fred Liken 2005-06-27, 8:31 pm |
| "cjw" <cwinter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Fred Liken wrote:
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> There you go Fred, I knew you could do it!
See, what kind of response do you want, troll? You don't have a point.
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