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> PSX3 wrote:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image...5-revolution-re
vealed-20050517010646774.jpg[vbcol=seagreen]
> Looks a bit like a black Zip Drive. Hope it'll be a bit more stylish
> looking than that

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> PSX3 wrote:
>
> Looks a bit like a black Zip Drive. Hope it'll be a bit more stylish
> looking than that

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>Won't play DVDs, try to live off glory of Mario, Pokemon and Kirby.

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> another one
>
> http://img221.echo.cx/img221/8801/media7vo.jpg
>
>
> IGN also says Nintendo said that Revolution will only be 2 to 3 times
> more powerful than Gamecube.

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> apparently, this is the real Nintendo Revolution console
>
> http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image...17010646774.jpg
>
> http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/...mg_2788923.html
>
>
> I have no way of knowing if this is real or not, but it's on IGN......
>
> you tell me
>
>

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> *YAWN*
> Typical Nintendo, small minds and all.
>
>

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>
> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h_SdnSWXK9AIQxTfRVn-3g@suscom.com...
>
> Typical Nintendo? What are you talking about? This looks absolutely
> nothing like anything they've released before. Small minds? ...

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>

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> another one
>
> http://img221.echo.cx/img221/8801/media7vo.jpg
>
>
> IGN also says Nintendo said that Revolution will only be 2 to 3 times
> more powerful than Gamecube.

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> *YAWN*
> Typical Nintendo, small minds and all.

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>
> <Radeon350@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1116338634.329923.105500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Were you expecting for Nintendo to be cutting edge?
> please.......
> Stick a fork in them already
>
>

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>
> Boody Bandit wrote:
> times
>
> Don't count them out yet, at least not system spec-wise. Remember all
> those low poly-counts on the original GC spec sheet? And when you see
> it's top games in action, it's almost on par graphically with the Xbox.
> Metroid Prime is no graphical slouch.
>
> But with that said, Nintendo has such a mountain to climb this coming
> generation. They will probably be the last to launch and they are
> already behind in the image department. I'd hate to see them lose
> further market share next generation as they are too great of a
> developer to become an after-thought in the video game industry.
>
> I know I plan to buy the next generation Nintendo machine and here's
> hoping they have some kick-XXX software to launch with it.

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>
> "Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
> news:1116351447.071905.220090@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I wish yah luck but Nintendo is off my radar screen for gaming.

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> <Radeon350@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1116338634.329923.105500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
times[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Were you expecting for Nintendo to be cutting edge?
> please.......
> Stick a fork in them already

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> Were you expecting for Nintendo to be cutting edge?
> please.......
> Stick a fork in them already

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> I wish yah luck but Nintendo is off my radar screen for gaming.

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in

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> vQ@suscom.com:
>
>
> But Nintendo systems are cheap... and the games are fun!

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in

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> 1g@suscom.com:
>
>
> When it comes to party/drinking games, Nintendo is tops

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> I'd hate to see them lose
> further market share next generation as they are too great of a
> developer to become an after-thought in the video game industry.

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>
> As opposed to the same regurgitated hype Sony is spewing? Wasn't the PS2
> supposed to be able to do Toystory 2 real time? lol. Your ilk falls for it
> every time.

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>
> Robert P Holley wrote:
>
> Ah, nostalgia. Truth is though that Nintendo needs to get off their
> asses if they want to stay in this business. They need to start
> appealing heavily to the grown-up/adult sector because that is where
> the money is made.

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> Unless you like Zeldo and
> Mario franchise games there is no reason at all to buy a game cube.

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> Stating that their next one is 2-3 times faster doesn't sound very
> promising to me.

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in

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> vQ@suscom.com:
>
>
> But Nintendo systems are cheap... and the games are fun!

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>

quote:

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> Boody Bandit wrote:
>
> times
>
>
>
> Don't count them out yet, at least not system spec-wise. Remember all
> those low poly-counts on the original GC spec sheet? And when you see
> it's top games in action, it's almost on par graphically with the Xbox.
> Metroid Prime is no graphical slouch.
>
> But with that said, Nintendo has such a mountain to climb this coming
> generation. They will probably be the last to launch and they are
> already behind in the image department. I'd hate to see them lose
> further market share next generation as they are too great of a
> developer to become an after-thought in the video game industry.
>
> I know I plan to buy the next generation Nintendo machine and here's
> hoping they have some kick-XXX software to launch with it.
>

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> Looks like a cable modem. Nintendo XXXXs up yet again. Personally I was
> hoping for a thermos shaped console to go with the lunchbox that is the
> Gamecube.

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> "PSX3" <PSX3@PSX3.com> wrote in message
> news:vLWdnfPon7ApThTfRVn-uA@comcast.com...
>
>
> http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image...17010646774.jpg
>
>
>
>

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> Skye wrote:
was[vbcol=seagreen]
the[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> LMFAO...that is funny ;)

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>
>
> Robert P Holley wrote:
>
> They missed the boat again IMO. Sony and MS showed up and showed off
> stuff...Nintendo did nothing to impress. Nintendo is about done as a
> MAJOR player in the gaming world, they will likely hold thier little
> niche market as they do now but with these other systems and all they
> are going to offer I see even that niche slipping further and further

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>
>
> Robert P Holley wrote:
>
> At this point I am not sure, it looks "different" for sure. Just looking
> at it it seems like it would work. That is something you have to be able
> to pick up and hold though to really judge. As long as it feels ok and
> is as comfortable as the previous PS controllers then I have no problem
> with what it looks like ;)

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>
>
> Robert P Holley wrote:
>
> At this point I am not sure, it looks "different" for sure. Just looking
> at it it seems like it would work. That is something you have to be able
> to pick up and hold though to really judge. As long as it feels ok and
> is as comfortable as the previous PS controllers then I have no problem
> with what it looks like ;)

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> Scott H wrote:
>
>
> all
>
>
> talk
>
>
>
> Very much agreed. Vice versa, what good is a game with great gameplay
> when ti has bad graphics? I expect both from today's consoles. A good

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> game has everything, graphics, gameplay, immersion, cinematic effects.
> What is your point? Do you think I don't know what I like in a game? In
> fact, I still play many old PC games that have great gameplay but bad
> graphics, but I would never go out and buy them today anymore. If a
> game is released today it must have it all, otherwise they need to
> start charing $5 - $10 for it like the old pc classics. I doubt
> Nintendo is shooting for that market segment.

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>
>
>
>
>
> Agreed. Gameplay is importent but stating that arcade is the sector
> that needs constant innovation is..well, a strange comment, please
> expand. I feel that every genre needs constant innovation, everything
> beyond games. WHich is the reason why I am not impressed with that is
> so far released about Nintendo's next console. I see no innovation, so
> please point it out to me. I am more than happy to say I was wrong if
> you show me something I missed.

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>
>
>
>
> not
>
>
>
>
>
> Of course I have personal taste, like everyone else. Stop analyzing me
> and drawing conclusions and let's talk about these consoles. Write me
> an email if you wish to comment on myself as a person since nobody else
> here gives a crap. I am fascinated with technology and innovation which
> I do not see in this console. Please lecture and inform me about facts
> that have escaped my eyes.
>

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> massivegrooves wrote:
> was
> the
>
> A thermos would look nice....right next to that George Foreman Grill
> looking system they call the PS3. They make for a nice pair at a BBQ.

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> "massivegrooves" <massivegrooves@massivegrooves.net> wrote in message
> news:428AA5BF.4000604@massivegrooves.net...
>
>
> away.
>
> No doubt about.
> MS and Nintendo were neck and neck in this generation of consoles.
> In the next one MS is going to walk (if not run) away from Nintendo taking
> some of Nintendo and even Sony's userbase with them..
>
>

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> "Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
> news:1116388866.367178.262190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> I hate the idea that MS is going with a white unit.
> I wish they would give you a choice like like Sony is.
> IMO, the PS3, color aside, will look better in my audio rack than the 360 or
> Revolution will.
>

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the 360 or[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> The Revolution doesn't look bad, the sad thing is we really don't

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> anything about it...just that it will look something like that black

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> showed off. No idea what it will be capable of, but I doubt it is

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> to have all the stuff that the MS/Sony consoles will have to offer.
> Still will be a secondary system at best.
>
> As far as looks go I like the PS3 design the best right now.

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> would be second and then MS.

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> massivegrooves wrote:
>
> the 360 or
>
>
> know
>
>
> box
>
>
> going
>
>
> Nintendo's
>
>
>
> What do you think about the PS3 controller?
>

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> No, son, that's where the most competition is. Why do you think

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> most profitable company?

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> As opposed to the same regurgitated hype Sony is spewing? Wasn't the

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> supposed to be able to do Toystory 2 real time? lol. Your ilk falls

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> every time.

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> Fred Liken wrote:

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>
> Sorry dude, you can say whatever you want. Saying the GameCube is 2-3
> times faster than the old one (which was already not very impressive
> technologically) is like releasing a VW Beetle when everyone else
> releases Porsches or Lamborghinis. Sure, you will find some folks that
> can't resist the Beetle but hey, I'd rather have one of the other two.
> When you go out and buy a new TV or a computer don't you try to get the
> fastest, most advanced for your money? The PS3 or Xbox 360 will be able
> to deliver cinimatic realism and immersive environments while the
> Revolution will just be another console with a few good games (Zelda
> and Metroid, I don't see any other reason to own it). Their graphics
> will look like an arcade at MainEvent compared to the other two.
>
> So again, what is your point with the above? Give me a convincing
> reason with what we know about all three consoles right now to even
> consider the Revolution? From plain specs (though Nintendo revealed the
> least specs) I see nothing but failure on Nintendo's part, unless their
> console will be MUCH cheaper and hence appealing to casual gamers
> looking for some entertainment.
>

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> Combining mass-market hollywood plot twists with a
> mediocre FPS or 3D adventure title may be popular, but it doesn't
> actually make a mediocre game better. Sure, the game magazines will

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> praise it for its "mood", but within a few months nobody will ever

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> about it again.

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> Gameplay is what gaming is all about, and looking like
> an arcade wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Arcades required
> constant gameplay innovation in order to stay ahead of the other
> companies, mainstream consoles require constant increasing of budgets

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> for cutscenes and cinematics to stay ahead.

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> Your alternate view on the reality of the Gamecube's strengths,
> combined with your statements for cinematics and against "an arcade"
> appearance, are evidence of a personal taste which naturally excludes

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> games that are made for the sake of gaming only. The mainstream is

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> the only place where money can be made, and 'mood' and 'immersion' is

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> not what some gamers play games for.

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> I have no idea what Nintendo will do. If they're going to do what

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> said, and attract the non-gamers, they'll have to do something

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> unique and easy to pick up and play. This could be something as lame

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> tons of trivia and party games, or something totally new. From a
> business perspective, getting the most isn't necessary, getting

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> is. Anything more is just that.
>
> --
> Scott
>
> http://www.gamepilgrimage.com

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>
>Forgot to add.
>However, I prefer the XBox "s" controller over all other controllers
>currently, the only exception being fighting games (PS2 wins down for me
>there).
>

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> On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:03:25 -0400, "Boody Bandit"
> <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> the saturn had the best pad ever for fighting games.

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> cjw wrote:
>
>
> I have no idea what Nintendo will do. If they're going to do what
> they said, and attract the non-gamers, they'll have to do something
> equally unique and easy to pick up and play. This could be something as
> lame as tons of trivia and party games, or something totally new. From
> a business perspective, getting the most isn't necessary, getting enough
> is. Anything more is just that.
>

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> jumping up and down saying they've got Nintendo pegged for not

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> as MS and Sony are, but (I hope) they just don't get it. The

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> wants what you've described, the flashiest newest technology, with

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> loudest wizz-bang sound effects and cinematics to rival hollywood.
> Some gamers only want to play a game that is better in_gameplay than

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> what has been played before. Innovation is by definition something
> totally new, not something adapted and derived from something which

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> been done 101 times before. Therefore, by definition, trying to out

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> hollywood cinematics cannot be innovative, and re-using countless

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> game's core gameplay (i.e. setting a game in a previously existing
> genre) and adding more moves, trinkets, doo-dads, or more commonly
> called 'extras' is not either.
>
>
> --
> Scott
>
> http://www.gamepilgrimage.com

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>
>
>
> behaving
>
>
> mainstream
>
>
> the
>
>
>
>
> has
>
>
> do
>
>
> other
>
>
>
> Specs do affect game play. If you think otherwise, take an MCU class or
> buy yourself a book about processors. If you have a processor that can
> handle more requests per second you can make more happen, and this has
> nothing to do with graphics, because, as you know, graphics are handled
> by seperate processors these days. More firepower under the hood means
> you can create more realistic gameplay.
>
> And Nintendo not going for the mainstream market is strange. Afterall,
> that is where the majority of people are that will buy these consoles.
> Do you see Nintendo as the Green Party? Away from the mainstream but
> also from the political picture? I don't, and I doubt their marketing
> strategy works that way. If it does they need to go back to business
> school.
>
> Tell me if I am wrong, but are you saying Nintendo will cater to the
> side-scrolling, non-3D, arcade sector? Doubtful looking to what Zelda
> has evolved into (wow, it's 3D!) or Mario (wow, it's 3D!). The reason
> people demand 3D is because we live in a 3D world, we don't exist on a
> piece of paper.
>

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> "massivegrooves" <massivegrooves@massivegrooves.net> wrote in message
> news:428B3599.3040705@massivegrooves.net...
>
>
>
> Forgot to add.
> However, I prefer the XBox "s" controller over all other controllers
> currently, the only exception being fighting games (PS2 wins down for me
> there).
>

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> cjw wrote:
>
>
>
> That would be the NES, which still has a fairly large fanbase last I
> checked. ;)
>
>
>
> By good graphics you're referring to 3D graphics, and that isn't the
> end_all to gaming, despite what the mainstream manufacturers continually
> market. There's absolutely no way that a game on any of these next gen
> systems can have "bad graphics" by current standards. People enjoy
> their PS2's alright, and there's plenty of bad graphics to be had there,
> especially in comparison to the Gamcube. Beside all of that, the
> technology curve isn't going to change for one company, it'll be the
> Xbox 360 with the least technically proficient hardware, not the PS3 or
> Revolution. That is unless they were all finalized today, in which case
> they will all have their own unique strengths.
>
>
>
>
> I didn't say it was "the" sector, I only stated that arcades
> required constant gameplay innovation. Mainstream consoles don't, just
> take a look at the largest chunk of titles and you'll find countless
> reiterations of decades old gameplay in the FPS, Racer, and 3D
> "adventure" and 3D 'stealth'/kill/shoot genres. Some might jump up and
> down pointing at Katamari Damacy or ICO, but how many games like them
> are released in comparison? Actually, those games are another great
> example of what I'm trying to say. What few people actually played ICO
> and KD will remember them, while in five years time I seriously doubt
> anybody will remember Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, Star Wars Ep 3,
> Spiderman The Movie 2 etc.
>
>
>
> Specs don't matter, they aren't going to affect gameplay. People
> are jumping up and down saying they've got Nintendo pegged for not
> behaving as MS and Sony are, but (I hope) they just don't get it.

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> mainstream wants what you've described, the flashiest newest technology,
> with the loudest wizz-bang sound effects and cinematics to rival hollywood.
> Some gamers only want to play a game that is better in_gameplay than
> what has been played before. Innovation is by definition something
> totally new, not something adapted and derived from something which has
> been done 101 times before. Therefore, by definition, trying to out do
> hollywood cinematics cannot be innovative, and re-using countless other
> game's core gameplay (i.e. setting a game in a previously existing
> genre) and adding more moves, trinkets, doo-dads, or more commonly
> called 'extras' is not either.
>
>

quote:

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>
>
> Scott H wrote:

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>
>
> Specs can and do affect gameplay. An example would be having more under
> the hood allowing for better AI, or take that in combination with a
> racing game and having a full field that can respond realistically. Same
> with say a war type game and having a major amount of troops on the
> field/screen and them reacting/responding with much more realism due to
> increased specs allowing for it.

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> VF2 way back in 1995 had AI that could effectively learn your

quote:

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> style to the point that you couldn't beat it, which was tweaked and
> reused in the VF4 games.

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> I hate the idea that MS is going with a white unit.

quote:

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> massivegrooves wrote:
> was
> the
>
> A thermos would look nice....right next to that George Foreman Grill
> looking system they call the PS3. They make for a nice pair at a BBQ.

quote:

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> Okay, let's see. Nintendo stock has depreciated by more than 100% from
> 2002 to mid 2003 when it finally was swinging up again. It's been
> relatively steady since.

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> You do realize that profit isn't everything, right?
> Margins, for example, are a much better indicator because they
> are not simply totals.

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> Nintendo has made most of its money in the
> handheld business since the GameCube has not done well (least market
> share out of the three consoles).

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> With Sony hitting the handheld market
> now too I can tell you that Nintendo is on their toes more than ever
> and unless their console is better than the other two (which from plain
> specs it certainly is not, but that doesn't have to mean anything) I
> see no reason to buy it (unless you want Mario, Zelda, and Metroid,
> what are the etc????).

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> PS2
> for it
>
> Sorry dude, you can say whatever you want.

quote:

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> Saying the GameCube is 2-3
> times faster than the old one (which was already not very impressive
> technologically)

quote:

---

> is like releasing a VW Beetle when everyone else
> releases Porsches or Lamborghinis.

quote:

---

> Sure, you will find some folks that
> can't resist the Beetle but hey, I'd rather have one of the other two.
> When you go out and buy a new TV or a computer don't you try to get the
> fastest, most advanced for your money?

quote:

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> The PS3 or Xbox 360 will be able
> to deliver cinimatic realism and immersive environments

quote:

---

> while the
> Revolution will just be another console with a few good games (Zelda
> and Metroid, I don't see any other reason to own it). Their graphics
> will look like an arcade at MainEvent compared to the other two.

quote:

---

> So again, what is your point with the above?

quote:

---

> Give me a convincing
> reason with what we know about all three consoles right now to even
> consider the Revolution?

quote:

---

> From plain specs (though Nintendo revealed the
> least specs) I see nothing but failure on Nintendo's part,

quote:

---

> unless their
> console will be MUCH cheaper and hence appealing to casual gamers
> looking for some entertainment.

quote:

---

>
> Specs can and do affect gameplay. An example would be having more under
> the hood allowing for better AI, or take that in combination with a racing
> game and having a full field that can respond realistically. Same with say
> a war type game and having a major amount of troops on the field/screen
> and them reacting/responding with much more realism due to increased specs
> allowing for it.

quote:

---

> Of course I have personal taste, like everyone else. Stop analyzing me
> and drawing conclusions and let's talk about these consoles. Write me
> an email if you wish to comment on myself as a person since nobody else
> here gives a crap.

quote:

---

> I am fascinated with technology and innovation which
> I do not see in this console.

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---

> Better graphics never seems to mean anything in the console wars.
>
> The N64 had better graphics than the Playstation and the XBox had way
> better graphics than the PS2. Even the DS with it's much poorer graphics
> seems to be doing well over the PSP.
>
> Sony always brags on about it's chips anyway, Nintendo the opposite.
> They're always roughly comparable. The Cube looked much worse on paper
> than the PS2 remember?

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zJ-dnT-wbtSWvBbfRVn-rQ@suscom.com...
>
>
> Yeah, cause you crave "black units". LOL.

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> Aside from mud-flinging and being a bad-mouthed punk you might want to
> consider school once more.

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> Profit is the figure that remains when you take the sales price of a
> product and subtract (the dash sign on your calculator) cost of
> product.

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> This usually does not include overhead, though it very well
> may (net profit). In any case, profit margin is the percentile of this
> number. Hence, margins are what companies look at more frequently, they
> are a better indicator than plain profits. You may want to consider a
> business class afterall.

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> Oh and yes, you clearly show your profound knowledge of the financial
> world when stating that stock prices do not matter.

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> Nintendo is a
> corporation. AH! What does that entail again? Uh oh..anyway, maybe you
> are able to find a connection between stock prices dropping during the
> time Nintendo was unsuccesful with the GameCube. Maybe!

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> Let's also not talk about market share, it may be too much for you to
> handle in one day.

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> Now go back to your afternoon nap child and come back when you have
> something substantial to say.

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---

> Specs do affect game play. If you think otherwise, take an MCU class or
> buy yourself a book about processors.

quote:

---

> If you have a processor that can
> handle more requests per second you can make more happen,

quote:

---

> and this has
> nothing to do with graphics, because, as you know, graphics are handled
> by seperate processors these days. More firepower under the hood means
> you can create more realistic gameplay.

quote:

---

> And Nintendo not going for the mainstream market is strange.

quote:

---

> Afterall,
> that is where the majority of people are that will buy these consoles.

quote:

---

> Sorry dude, you can say whatever you want. Saying the GameCube is 2-3
> times faster than the old one (which was already not very impressive
> technologically) is like releasing a VW Beetle when everyone else
> releases Porsches or Lamborghinis.

quote:

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> Fred Liken wrote:

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> they're the
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Okay, let's see. Nintendo stock has depreciated by more than 100% from
> 2002 to mid 2003 when it finally was swinging up again. It's been
> relatively steady since. You do realize that profit isn't everything,
> right? Margins, for example, are a much better indicator because they
> are not simply totals. Nintendo has made most of its money in the
> handheld business since the GameCube has not done well (least market
> share out of the three consoles). With Sony hitting the handheld market
> now too I can tell you that Nintendo is on their toes more than ever
> and unless their console is better than the other two (which from plain
> specs it certainly is not, but that doesn't have to mean anything) I
> see no reason to buy it (unless you want Mario, Zelda, and Metroid,
> what are the etc????).

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> PS2
> for it
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> Sorry dude, you can say whatever you want. Saying the GameCube is 2-3
> times faster than the old one (which was already not very impressive
> technologically) is like releasing a VW Beetle when everyone else
> releases Porsches or Lamborghinis. Sure, you will find some folks that
> can't resist the Beetle but hey, I'd rather have one of the other two.
> When you go out and buy a new TV or a computer don't you try to get the
> fastest, most advanced for your money? The PS3 or Xbox 360 will be able
> to deliver cinimatic realism and immersive environments while the
> Revolution will just be another console with a few good games (Zelda
> and Metroid, I don't see any other reason to own it). Their graphics
> will look like an arcade at MainEvent compared to the other two.

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> So again, what is your point with the above? Give me a convincing
> reason with what we know about all three consoles right now to even
> consider the Revolution? From plain specs (though Nintendo revealed the
> least specs) I see nothing but failure on Nintendo's part, unless their
> console will be MUCH cheaper and hence appealing to casual gamers
> looking for some entertainment.

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> lol. What classes have you had? 101, no doubt, because you make an

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> yourself consistently.

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> Depends on A, what can it do in one request, B, how much time is it

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> on the bus, C, is it the bottleneck, or is the data, code, etc. This

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> simple stuff, son.

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> The CPU still handles a fair bit of high level graphics work.

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> Nothing's been released or even measured so far. MS and Sony are
> _saying_ their product will be a "Porsche or Lamborghini" -- but we

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> know how trustworthy they are on such issues... It's very likely

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> Nintendo is understating the power of the Revolution, and that MS and
> Sony are vastly overstating the power of their systems.
>
> [e.g. the PS2, which Sony claimed was a "Ferrari", but turned out to

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> a VW beetle with a fiberglass Ferrari-like shell tacked on... :-]

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> That's the margin, as well! lol. Profit is the margin times the

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> You're confusing margin with profit margin, easy mistake, but perhaps

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> need a refresher before you try the role of teacher? lol.

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> Yes, a business that's profits are down will lose value in the stock

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> OFTEN. Not always and not necessarily because. Perhaps you need to

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> crease in the spine of those books you're yapping about, son.

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> stock prices is a very foolish thing to do, son. First of all, does

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> stock only cover the games division, or does it cover VCRs and

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> else? Second, was it over valued/under valued, Sony or Nintendo?

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> fool. Mouthy one at that.
>

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>
> Miles Bader wrote:
> all
> that
> be
>
> I agree with you, like I said before. I am soley basing it on the fact
> that they claim their concole will be 2 to 3 times faster, which is
> disappointing.

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> I mean, Hollywood should jump all over that and replace all those
> massive clusters with one PS3!

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>
> Fred Liken wrote:
>
> sales.
>
> Profit = Revenue minus cost. The amount one makes on a transaction.
> There is no product here, child.

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> you
>
> Margin is a gerneral term.

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> Profit margin = Indicator of profitability. The ratio of earnings
> available to stockholders to net sales. Determined by dividing net
> income by revenue for the same 12-month period. Result is shown as a
> percentage. Also known as net profit margin. *sigh*

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> market,
> put a
> Comparing
> Sony's
> everything
> You're a
>
>
>
> As I said, come back when you have something substantial, which you
> clearly do not.

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> Oh, you can't form a rebuttal so you're bowing out and trying to save

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>
> Don't get too upset, son, just cause I owned you. You're in good

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> company. lol.
>
> Oh, you stupid sod.

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>
>Fred Liken wrote:
>XXX of
>
>Obviously a lot more than you, my ferocious fellow. It can be clearly
>seen right.....

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>waiting
>is
>
>....here!
>
>(A) All processors can only do one thing,

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> and it certainly nothing to do with "requests".

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> Requests are queued

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> and per clock cycle operational
> codes are executed.

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> Depending on the size of that op code,

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> a request
> may take a long or short period of time, dependent on the clock.

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>(B) While the BUS can certainly slow things down, you do realize that
>there is more than one BUS.

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> The local bus, which is a high speed path
> directly to the processor and often handles graphics requests is
> usually not considered a bottleneck.

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>(C) Hmmm, one of thos no sense statements trying to sound smart. Get
>real and admit that your an imbicel when it comes to this stuff.

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>I would reccomend starting with the HC11/12. Bood 8/16 bit MCUs to get
>your hands dirty with before you start talking high-end processors.

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>
>Wrong. You do know how today's graphics cards work, right?

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>Main Entry: sub·stan·tial
>Pronunciation: s&b-'stan(t)-sh&l
>Function: adjective
>: not imaginary or illusory : REAL, TRUE c : IMPORTANT, ESSENTIAL
>: firmly constructed

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> lol. Multi-core? Multi-pipeline? You not got to that yet,

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> lol. If the processor isn't stalled and the codes aren't multi-clock

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>

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> A) It depends on what you can do in one request. A single request

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> load a value into a register, then another is add it to another

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> and then another save that register to memory. Granted, the load and

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> might stall the processor, but with current tech that's less likely.

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> Now,
> another processor might be able to use one request to do all the work

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> first three. Say that one takes two thirds of the time that the

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> took. That means that the second is handling less requests per

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> getting more done per request. This is all quite trivial, but

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> the point without getting you too far lost.

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> I've schooled you, son, so I'm not too worried about your little

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> Fact is, the compiler optimized? The PS3 is using new tech.

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> room for inefficiencies that would be worked out of more mature

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> You're clueless, but feel free to wiggle your XXX some more for me,

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> HC11, how XXXXing quaint, freshman! Is that what you're using in

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> class? Must be a community college. lol. I love it.

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> Obviously better than you! Do you know what high level means, my

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> freshman friend? lol Maybe you'll cover that next semester?!

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> Wow... you sure have some dictionary skills, freshman! I'm just

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> amazed by your SCILZ!

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>Still one core can only do one thing.

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>Do you have any clue what you are talking about? Stalling the
>processor? Get real.

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> I wish yah luck but Nintendo is off my radar screen for gaming.

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> Fred Liken wrote:
>
> they're the
>
> Okay, let's see. Nintendo stock has depreciated by more than 100%

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> 2002 to mid 2003 when it finally was swinging up again.

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> relatively steady since. You do realize that profit isn't everything,
> right? Margins, for example, are a much better indicator because they
> are not simply totals.