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>I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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> I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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>I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.

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> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time?

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> Is it doomed to be the portable for crapy unpopular games,
> subpar graphics and obscurity?

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> Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?

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> I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.

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> I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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>I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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>All the games that have come out for it have been ports from the N64, or
>even just minorly updated versions of a GBA game.

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>Throw in the rumor that *supposedly* Nintendo is going to release yet
>another handheld called "Game Boy Advance 2" this Christmas

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>one has to
>really wonder why bother with a DS at all - unless you just gotta have the
>touch screen.

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>I heard rumors that Nintendo was going to release a simple mail & web
>browser for the DS' wireless feature, but...I hear Sony's going to do the
>same thing, as well as add other applications (though, I wonder how
>they'll handle a keyboard?)

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> Considering it has yet to come out with a "gotta have it" app, it's

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> Djinn.

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> What's the deal with the dead pixels on the PSP?
>

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> P.S. - And why you cross-posted this to the "pro-wrestling" usenet
> group is just beyond me...

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> I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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>I love my psp, unless something really killer comes out for the Nintendo
>DS I'm not even gonna bother with it.

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> While I think that the DS sucks even more than the PSP, I don't agree
> with your logic. Most people will say that the PSP doesn't have a
> "gotta have it" app either, yet not many will think that it's going to
> die soon. What, in your opinion, is a must-have title for the PSP?

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>I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Mon, 25 Apr
> 2005 20:59:59 GMT, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do uk.games.video.misc,
> yawatina tan reek esk Araxen <araxen@removethis.gmail.com> fornis do marikano
> es bono tan el:
>
>
>
>
> Whereas I think the exact opposite.
>
> deKay

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> Just wanted to say that Sony is making a helluva lot more money than
> Nintendo ever will in a million years from their game division. If it
> was only Sony's game division against Nintendo, Sony would squash them
> flat. The reason Sony's losing an absolute fortune is that they're
> getting absolutely massacred in the home electronics division,
> especially by the Koreans.

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> Michael J. Sherman wrote:
>
>
> I know why, YHBT.
>
>

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> deKay, what do you feel are exactly the "killer apps" on the DS? I
> have reduced my DS collection to two games, Yoshi Touch and Go and
> Mario 64 (both of which make me hold the fort), while my PSP collection
> grew over 8 games, and I am waiting for Smart Bomb and Coded Arms to
> come out.
>
> Out of my DS collection are: Mr. Driller, Atari Collection, Wariowares
> Touched, Polarium, and Asphault GT (sorry, I have Ridge Racer on my
> PSP). And Coded Arms on the PSP is far more of interest to me than
> Metroid on the DS (sorry, the touch screen is BAD as a FPS controller).
>
> I will be holding out for the cardgame and boardgame collections on the
> DS though.

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> YHBT = You Have Big Tits?

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>deKay, what do you feel are exactly the "killer apps" on the DS?

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> I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?
>

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> GoGoGadgetgirl! wrote:
> They are malfunctioning LCD panels that Sony says is just normal.

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>
> dead,
>
> While I think that the DS sucks even more than the PSP, I don't agree
> with your logic. Most people will say that the PSP doesn't have a
> "gotta have it" app either, yet not many will think that it's going to
> die soon. What, in your opinion, is a must-have title for the PSP?
> Surprinsingly, I felt that Lumines is currently the best game on the
> PSP because I don't usually like low tech puzzle games. The game was
> much more fun that I expected but I still wouldn't characterize it as a
> must-have for any gamer. The game has little replay value after you've
> plateaued your skills at about level 24 or so. I don't think that many
> people will be able to keep going long after level 20.

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> You're the first person I've heard say that the touch screen is bad as a
> FPS controller. To me the touchscreen is the next best thing to a
> keyboard and mouse. FPS's have always been horrible on consoles because
> a controller can't even come close to equaling the sensitivity and
> useability of a mouse and keyboard. The touch screen almost is a great
> solution to this problem.

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> The PSP's video player seems pretty much seems like the PSP's killer

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> now.

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> The DS games I've tried just haven't been that good - definitely not

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> the price, and the whole touch-screen thing just seems poorly tacked

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> most games. Other games just make me scratch my head and ask "why?"

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> as the new Atari compilation. Most of those games had been released

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> the GBA, and do you really need new versions of them? And if so, why

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> few games? $30 is a lot to ask for just 4 or 5 games some 20 years

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> don't you think? For $20, you could get one of the Midway

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> containing 15-20 old arcade games.

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> I keep hearing PSP this and PSP that, but no one ever says DS this or
> DS that.
>
> Is DS the Atari Jaguar of our time? Is it doomed to be the portable for
> crapy unpopular games, subpar graphics and obscurity? Will gamers show
> a lack of attention until it causes Nintendo's demise?

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> I will be holding out for the cardgame and boardgame collections on the
> DS though.

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> In my opinion, Lumines *is* the killer app for the PSP - for the time
> being,
> at least.

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> The PSP's video player seems pretty much seems like the PSP's killer

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> now.

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> The DS games I've tried just haven't been that good - definitely not

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> the price, and the whole touch-screen thing just seems poorly tacked

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> most games. Other games just make me scratch my head and ask "why?"

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> as the new Atari compilation. Most of those games had been released

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> the GBA, and do you really need new versions of them? And if so, why

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> few games? $30 is a lot to ask for just 4 or 5 games some 20 years

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> don't you think? For $20, you could get one of the Midway

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> containing 15-20 old arcade games.

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> The keyboard and mouse are *horrible* "experiences" on the PC gaming side
> though. The idea that you're using one hand to do one thing, and the
> other, sitting a distance away, doing something completely different is
> about as "real" an experience as typing is with a joystick. It's just
> stupid and gets in the way of playing. You have to master controls before
> the game becomes fun or playable, and that's just retarded.

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> whine whine whine..... learning a keyboard / mouse combo takes about an
> hour
> for an average PC gamer, you make it sound like its rocket science. Did
> you
> get tired of getting your XXX handed to you and thats why you switched to
> console FPSes?

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> You're the first person I've heard say that the touch screen is bad as a
> FPS controller. To me the touchscreen is the next best thing to a keyboard
> and mouse. FPS's have always been horrible on consoles because a
> controller can't even come close to equaling the sensitivity and
> useability of a mouse and keyboard. The touch screen almost is a great
> solution to this problem.

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> "docdude316" <docdude316NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote
keyboard[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> The keyboard and mouse are *horrible* "experiences" on the PC gaming side
> though. The idea that you're using one hand to do one thing, and the

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> sitting a distance away, doing something completely different is about as
> "real" an experience as typing is with a joystick. It's just stupid and

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> in the way of playing. You have to master controls before the game becomes
> fun or playable, and that's just retarded.
>
> A joystick, particularly an analog joystick with left and right analogs

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> so much fun in a first person shooter *because* they're easy to pick up

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> play. Anyone can jump into a console FPS without much of a learning curve
> and without creating horribly convoluted custom keyboard layouts. I'm not
> arguing that one is better or worse technically, but as far as gameplay
> experience, I'll always choose the natural, organic feel of a couple of
> analog joysticks on a single controller interface over the detached

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> that a keyboard and mouse setup achieves. Not to mention, that the playing
> field is generally more "even" when everyone is using the same input

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> and has the same "advantage" and "disadvantage". I don't have to really
> worry too much about the people who go out of their way to set up their
> keyboards to help them cheat, a condition that's MUCH more prevalent on

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> PC gaming side. Consoles are an even playing field. I know I can whip your
> XXX because I'm better than you, not because I went out and bought a $200
> keyboard/mouse setup and spent weeks tweaking my keyboard layout so I

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> gain an advantage. What advantage does someone in combat have besides the
> weapon advantage? Reflexes, Aggression, etc...the same traits that make
> someone a better shooter on a console.
>
> People who use keyboards and mice swear by them, but I always thought it

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> WAY overthinking the interface and making it MUCH more complicated than it
> needed to be. I like that I can just pick up a joystick and go, and both

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> hands are in control of a single IO point. Much more fluid and natural.

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> gladly take on anyone in any FPS in a keyboard/mouse vs controller

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> and I guarantee you won't finish as well as you think you would. You're

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> confident because you've mastered some horribly convoluted control system,
> and your confidence will be your downfall because while you were making

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> all your keys did the right thing, I was simply playing and killing

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>
>

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> "Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4lt5o$fa70$1@news3.infoave.net...
>
>
> You, sir, are siiiiiiiiilllyyyyyyyyyyy.
>
> There are plenty of dual analog controllers for the PC, yet no one uses
> them...
>
> Looks like your logic is quite flawed.

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>
> Why, because a bunch of kids won't buy a joystick? It still doesn't change
> the fact that in my opinion, the experience is *counter* to having a truly
> realistic experience.

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> Consoles on the other hand are an even playing field, and that's why
> they're better. I whipped your XXX in Halo 2? Well then, looks like you'll
> have to practice to beat me next time.

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> "Wurm" <a@b.c> wrote
to[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I regularly beat the shit out of keyboard users.
>
> *regularly*
>
> Most keyboard/mouse users are little kids who like to set up all their gay
> little custom keyboard layouts because actually playing the game would be
> more difficult if they had to compete on an even playing field with other
> users.
>
> Name the game, name the server, I'll whip your XXX too.

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>
> "Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
> news:426e846f$0$90539$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
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before[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Why, because a bunch of kids won't buy a joystick?

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> You obviously don't know what the XXXX you are talking about.
> When I 1st started gaming on a PC you would almost never run into someone
> under the age of 18 online.
> Simply put kids could not afford PC's that could handle the games.
> I was a part of a group of players (a clan I guess some would call it) of
> over a 100 guys and not one of them were under the age of 25.
> We would play against others groups of players for 3 or 4 years without
> running into one group with kids on it.
> If you want to complain about ease of use and running into lil XXXXXXX
> kids,
> MS Live is your answer.

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> Really?
> If you are serious, give me a day or 2 to set up a Q2 server and you can
> come whoop my XXX.
> <rolls-eyes WLOL>

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Quake 2? dear God....lmfao. Did your computer come with a time warp?

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> "Wurm" <a@b.c> wrote
to[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I regularly beat the shit out of keyboard users.
>
> *regularly*
>
> Most keyboard/mouse users are little kids who like to set up all their gay
> little custom keyboard layouts because actually playing the game would be
> more difficult if they had to compete on an even playing field with other
> users.
>
> Name the game, name the server, I'll whip your XXX too.
>
>

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> Quake 2? dear God....lmfao. Did your computer come with a time warp?

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> "Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> Oh I get it now.
> You can't afford to game on a PC.

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> I named Q2 because I rarely "EVER" ran into anyone that could even give me
> a
> decent game.

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> btw, the absolute single most important aspect in any online game is your
> connection to the server.

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> oh man...did you just TOTALLY miss the mark...lmao...

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> "Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com> wrote
> Oh geewiz kid.
> Go change your XXXXing diapers and get a fresh baba.
> You must be a gem to play with online with voice communication.
> You are probably one of those lil whinny XXXXs that talks shit than leaves
> when he gets his XXX handed to him...... which I'm sure is common place
> for
> your lame XXX.
> My 12 would probably tear you to pieces on Halo 2.
>
> You are beyond boring me now.

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> "Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4m5uj$feam$1@news3.infoave.net...
>
> Oh geewiz kid.
> Go change your XXXXing diapers and get a fresh baba.
> You must be a gem to play with online with voice communication.
> You are probably one of those lil whinny XXXXs that talks shit than
> leaves when he gets his XXX handed to him...... which I'm sure is
> common place for your lame XXX.
> My 12 would probably tear you to pieces on Halo 2.
>
> You are beyond boring me now.

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> docdude316 wrote:
>
>

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> And this is why Goldeneye and Perfect Dark will ALWAYS be shit, no matter
> what anyone says.
>
> Go on, say something.
>
>
> XXXX OFF.
>
> I win.

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> How is Controller vs. Mouse/Keyboard uneven? If you think that then you
> must be conceding that keyboard/mouse is the better control devices.

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> Sounds like you are jealous of people that can afford upgrades, hmmmm.

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> I still don't quite understand how you think someone is better just
> because theri graphics are nicer.

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>
> "Krusty" <rspwkrusty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d4m5uj$feam$1@news3.infoave.net...
>
> Oh geewiz kid.
> Go change your XXXXing diapers and get a fresh baba.
> You must be a gem to play with online with voice communication.
> You are probably one of those lil whinny XXXXs that talks shit than leaves
> when he gets his XXX handed to him...... which I'm sure is common place
> for
> your lame XXX.
> My 12 would probably tear you to pieces on Halo 2.
>
> You are beyond boring me now.
>
>

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Quake 2? dear God....lmfao. Did your computer come with a time warp?
>

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> "Boody Bandit" <boodybandit@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> All of your blathering still doesn't change the fact that you can't play
> on an even playing field with PC games. Someone will always have a faster
> processor, or more ram, or a better graphics card, etc.
>

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> All of your blathering still doesn't change the fact that you can't play
> on an even playing field with PC games. Someone will always have a faster
> processor, or more ram, or a better graphics card, etc.

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> I know that when I'm playing someone using a console, we're all using the
> same equipment. They're not outspending me to beat me. If I beat them,
> it's generally because I'm *better* than them. To me, that's a much more
> satisfying game experience. I'd hate to lose to someone because their
> XXXXing *equipment* was better, or newer. How gay.
>
> It's the IROC of gaming. You wanna make sure you're a good gamer? Make
> sure everyone's using the same equipment, don't cry when you get your XXX
> beat and go spend $500 to get your revenge. Get better at *the game*.

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>
> "Fred Liken" <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote in message
> news:426e846f$0$90539$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>
> Why, because a bunch of kids won't buy a joystick? It still doesn't change
> the fact that in my opinion, the experience is *counter* to having a truly
> realistic experience.
>
> I figured it'd be opened all up to flames from all the kids who love their
> keyboards. Looks like I was right. The kids don't like it when they have
> to actually play the game on an even playing field.
>

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> That's why consoles are superior to PC games. $400 for a new graphics card
> to power the latest copy of Doom3, and rubes don't think twice about
> dropping the money, so their "grass looks more real" and the "lighting
> will shimmer off the blood on the floor a little better". All the while,
> you're playing a game with people using wildly different equipment, so
> your dumb XXX doesn't know if you're REALLY good or if you just bought
> your way into being good by buying a better computer. Got your XXX handed
> to you? Cry and run to Best Buy and upgrade your graphics card, or go buy
> more ram, because god forbid you actually have to get *better* at the
> game. Or maybe I'll spend hours tweaking my framerate and making sure that
> it's optimized on my particular system. What hogwash. Why not just XXXXing
> get better at the game?
>

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> Consoles on the other hand are an even playing field, and that's why
> they're better. I whipped your XXX in Halo 2? Well then, looks like you'll
> have to practice to beat me next time.
>

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> Like I said, I figured this would piss off the hyper defensive PC gamers,
> but so far not a SINGLE person who's replied to this thread has put forth
> any logical argument why it's a better experience using a keyboard, and
> instead has cried and called me names...which again, I guess I sort of
> expected no better. It only confirms my thinking that PC gamers are a
> bunch of hyper defensive whiners who don't really care so much about the
> game as much as they care about putting forth ridiculous hardware
> arguments that are completely moot in the console world.

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> If I whip your XXX in Halo 2 or Battlefield Modern Combat, or Rainbow Six,
> it's because I'm *good*...and not for really any other reason...

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> Oh, I see your point now.
>
> Wait. You don't have a point.
>
> Awesome. You sure showed me.

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> Krusty the Clown, all kidding aside, quit it already, you're embarrassing
> yourself.
> You obviously suck the high hard one playing a skilled PC FPS gamer so you
> can only compete (I am giving you the benefit on this one here, take it and
> run) playing a bunch of punk kids on Live using a crappy controller.

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> I think the PSP's multimedia capabilities are overrated. People want
> to watch video on the PSP because the machine is so pretty. The cost
> of a PSP and a 1 gb video stick is equivalent to a good portable DVD
> player from Samsung or Panasonic. With a portable DVD player, you
> would not have to go through the hassle of video conversion, and the
> video would not be cropped like it is for the PSP. Also, the converted
> videos would look and sound much worse than the original DVDs. Even an
> UMD disc contains less than half the storage of a single-layered DVD
> and would therefore have worse video/audio. For me personally, the
> PSP's multimedia capabilities are not enough to offset the lousy game
> library. Judging from the previews, there doesn't seem to be more than
> 1 or 2 PSP games that I would like for the rest of the year either.
> The strong support for the PSP would ensure that it has a strong future
> but I don't want to keep playing inferior versions of games that I'm
> already buying for my home consoles.

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> Most of the DS games seemed targeted towards 5 year olds and were
> designed to simply show off the touch screen gimmick. The touch screen
> is a stupid idea. Every DS I've seen has tons of scratches on the
> screen. The only impressive game I've seen was Metriod, but it's only
> a demo. I haven't seen Mario 64 either but it looked pretty good in
> screenshots. I really wouldn't be suprised if the DS is this
> generation's virtual boy. The Advance SP has lots of good games though
> and it is much more portable than the DS/PSP. If I really cared about
> handheld gaming, I think I would rather have bought an advance SP than
> a PSP.

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> 2. Nintendo have got their business model very cleverly mapped out for both
> handheld and home consoles - that's why they've made enormous amounts of
> money from both. Whereas Sony are currently losing an absolute fortune.

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> There are none as such, although Zoo Keeper and Yoshi are both excellent. I
> was just pointing out that I won't be getting a PSP until there's something
> worthwhile to buy. Everything is "meh" or "less than meh" at the moment on
> that front.

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> "SDP81" <@wowway.com> wrote
>
> In my opinion, it's just counter intuitive. A "gun" is a single device. I
> feel much more like I'm carrying a weapon when operating a joystick. I
> feel like the "experience" is much more engrossing than sitting in front
> of the same machine I program on for 8-10 hours a day. A keyboard is for
> typing, I spend all day typing on one, why the XXXX would I want to go
> home and PLAY with one? It wasn't designed for game playing, and it's
> always felt like something that's been adopted really because nobody ever
> came up with a great universal input device for gamers.
>
> PC games might've been superior to consoles...say...in the 70s and 80s,
> but by the time consoles like the Dreamcast hit the market, it was all
> over for computers. You couldn't justify spending all that money on what
> basically amounts to a moving target. How many people buy PS2 games and
> get home, only to discover that they need additional equipment to get it
> to work? I'm guessing...oh...zero? What about for PC games? How many rubes
> plonk down $50 for Doom 3 only to get home and realize that it's just
> XXXXing *crawling* on their computer? It's not about "I can't afford it"
> and more about, "what a XXXXing ripoff this is, why even bother if you've
> just got to keep pumping money into a bottomless pit of gaming?" How much
> money do you think PC gamers plonk down every year to keep their systems
> up to snuff? How much money do console gamers spend once they get the Xbox
> home?
>

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>
> Not at all. I could easily waste money on buying soon-to-be-obsolete
> computer equipment. I just think it's a foolish endeavor. In fact, people
> here already think I blow *wads* of money on gadgets, devices, iPods,
> Bicycles, surfboards. The money isn't a problem as I probably piss away
> more money than gamers spend in a year on uesless shit like comic books
> and mountain bike parts. I've always just sort of felt sorry for gamers
> that get caught up in such an obvious scam.
>
>
> I'm not saying that at all. The point I was making, was that the PC is a
> "moving target" which makes it easier for people to jury rig their systems
> or games to gain an advantage. A perfect example is the one I pointed out
> about BF:Vietnam. How many people were cheating by just dialing down their
> graphics cards to "remove" underbrush enabling them to camp and snipe
> easier? Do you think that's fair? Do you think it's fair that people can
> manipulate their systems and do "better" at a game than you? At that
> point, it's not about skill. They didn't beat you because they were better
> than you, they beat you because they manipulated the game. How could that
> possibly be a satisfying gaming experience? I just don't see it.
>

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> Like I said, I figured this would piss off the hyper defensive PC gamers,
> but so far not a SINGLE person who's replied to this thread has put forth
> any logical argument why it's a better experience using a keyboard, and
> instead has cried and called me names...which again, I guess I sort of
> expected no better. It only confirms my thinking that PC gamers are a
> bunch of hyper defensive whiners who don't really care so much about the
> game as much as they care about putting forth ridiculous hardware
> arguments that are completely moot in the console world. If I whip your
> XXX in Halo 2 or Battlefield Modern Combat, or Rainbow Six, it's because
> I'm *good*...and not for really any other reason...
>

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> I can live with that.
>

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> Boody Bandit wrote:
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>
> Wow. I *totally* see the logic of your argument. You're right. Keyboards
> ARE better.
>
> You're *awesome* at this whole, "usenet" thing.
>
> Seriously, "Booty Bandit" (which I have to admire your courage, I only
> know a handful of gay posters who are "out")
>

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> teh Mouse
> keyboard control scheme is better because it is much easier to use

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> SDP81 wrote:
>
> lmao. No.

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> So, what is their strategy concerning the GBA2 which is rumored to be
> released this Christmas? Wasn't the DS supposed to be the successor to
> the GBA? Obviously not, it seems... So everyone who bought a DS is about
> to be screwed over by Nintendo?

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> Lord Hatred wrote:
>
> Let's discuss which one gives you precision control.
>
> Hint, it's not the Controller...

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> In article <xQBbe.86557$JL2.3233238@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
> Krusty <Krusty@noreply.sc.rr.spamtrap.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Seriously, WTF? How the hell is it easier in any way? Keyboard and
> mouse: need to stay on the same place. Controller: held in hands so you
> can swing around as your emotions grip you. That isn't even getting into
> the whole argument as to what they were designed to do. You know --
> designed to type and point/click vs designed for XXXXing gameplay.

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> "Otis Munkborter"
> <m2r3p4s5b6@feelinghothothotmail.dotthatsadotyoudirtylittlespambot.com>
> wrote in message news:1114534256.950.0@nnrp-t71-03.news.uk.clara.net...
>
>
> This is a reply to docdude316, I misssed his OP.
>
> A trackball would have been a far greater solution IMHO.

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> Seriously, WTF? How the hell is it easier in any way? Keyboard and
> mouse: need to stay on the same place. Controller: held in hands
> so you can swing around as your emotions grip you. That isn't even
> getting into the whole argument as to what they were designed to
> do. You know -- designed to type and point/click vs designed for
> XXXXing gameplay.

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> docdude, the thing is that the touch screen is NOT a mouse and
> keyboard, and I found the total control package (including movement)
> ackward. How exactly do you fire on the DS? Do you use a the styist?
> For me, it doesn't work. Well, at least it doesn't work for Metroid.
> I never found any configuration I was comfortable with. I found I
> couldn't hold the DS for Metroid in a comfortable way.
>
> - Richard Hutnik
>

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> "docdude316" <docdude316NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
> The keyboard and mouse are *horrible* "experiences" on the PC gaming side
> though. The idea that you're using one hand to do one thing, and the other,
> sitting a distance away, doing something completely different is about as
> "real" an experience as typing is with a joystick. It's just stupid and gets
> in the way of playing. You have to master controls before the game becomes
> fun or playable, and that's just retarded.
>
> A joystick, particularly an analog joystick with left and right analogs are
> so much fun in a first person shooter *because* they're easy to pick up and
> play. Anyone can jump into a console FPS without much of a learning curve
> and without creating horribly convoluted custom keyboard layouts. I'm not
> arguing that one is better or worse technically, but as far as gameplay
> experience, I'll always choose the natural, organic feel of a couple of
> analog joysticks on a single controller interface over the detached feeling
> that a keyboard and mouse setup achieves. Not to mention, that the playing
> field is generally more "even" when everyone is using the same input device
> and has the same "advantage" and "disadvantage". I don't have to really
> worry too much about the people who go out of their way to set up their
> keyboards to help them cheat, a condition that's MUCH more prevalent on the
> PC gaming side. Consoles are an even playing field. I know I can whip your
> XXX because I'm better than you, not because I went out and bought a $200
> keyboard/mouse setup and spent weeks tweaking my keyboard layout so I could
> gain an advantage. What advantage does someone in combat have besides the
> weapon advantage? Reflexes, Aggression, etc...the same traits that make
> someone a better shooter on a console.
>
> People who use keyboards and mice swear by them, but I always thought it was
> WAY overthinking the interface and making it MUCH more complicated than it
> needed to be. I like that I can just pick up a joystick and go, and both my
> hands are in control of a single IO point. Much more fluid and natural. I'd
> gladly take on anyone in any FPS in a keyboard/mouse vs controller showdown,
> and I guarantee you won't finish as well as you think you would. You're just
> confident because you've mastered some horribly convoluted control system,
> and your confidence will be your downfall because while you were making sure
> all your keys did the right thing, I was simply playing and killing people.