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Re: Revolution controller: No Buttons, No Sticks, All Touch Screen
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| Michael Cargill 2005-03-30, 6:34 pm |
| "Leon Dexter" <leondexterNOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Cargill" <mikementalist@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> If
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> Yes, now you're getting it. Majority opinion determines all kinds of
> things. Like laws, awards, even stupid things like who gets a recording
> contract--ever watch "American Idol"? Somebody gets voted as "best", how
> about that? Same thing happens at the Grammys and Oscars, and so on.
They
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> give out trophies that say "Best" right on them, and that means that this
> group of people or that group think they're the best.
You cannot compare a law getting voted in to a load of people voting for who
looks and sounds the best on stage. A law is something that is set in stone
once it gets voted in. When a law is passed the ones who opposed cannot sit
there and say "no, that law does not exist". But those that did not vote
for the eventual winner of the best Britney Spears lookalike can sit there
and say "she was not the best of all the candidates".
Majority opinion does mean it is right. At one time the majority opinion
was that the earth was flat and the sun rotated around the earth. At one
time the majority opinion was that smoking ciggarettes was not bad for you.
At one time the majority opinion was that there were WMD in Iraq. The
majority opinion in a jury decides if a person is guilty or not, but they
are not allways right.
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> So, if you ask everyone who plays videogames "What's the best game?", we
can
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> find out and give it a nice plaque or something.
No, you cannot find out what game is the best because that is all down to
opinion. You could find out what the majority of people think is the best
game, but that does not mean that it really is the best game ever made.
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> Hell, you can give one out
> all by yourself. What I'm saying is that the one from everybody carries a
> lot more weight than yours does.
What are you on about? I am not saying that my opinion carries any more
weight than anyone elses does. I don't think that Michael XXXXing Cargills
vote on which game is best is any more valid than yours, or of the thousands
of people who might think that Mario Tennis is the best sports game ever
made.
Me, I think that Jet Force Gemini is one of the best games on the N64.
Personally I think that it is a bit of classic. However, I am in the
minority here as most people seem to think it is shit - but that does not
mean that I am incorrect in what I think of the game. Neither you or the
other millions of N64 owners can dictate to me wether JFG really is any good
or not.
10 million people could sit there and list every single reason why they
think it is a pile of toss, but that does not alter the fact that I think
the game is superb and worthy of classic status. Does that actually mean
that the game really is superb and is a classic just because I think so...?
No, it does not because it is down to opinion - and at the same time just
because 10 million people think it is a turd does not actually mean that the
game really is a smelly turd.
That I like the game and think it is a classic is fact. That 10 million
people think it is rubbish and not a classic is fact. But wether the game
really IS good or a classic is down to opinion. 10 million people cannot
tell me that JFG is not one of the best games on the N64, because I will
turn around and say that out of all the games I played on the console it is
one of my faves. Likewise, I cannot tell 10 million people that it really
is one of the best games on the system as they will tell me that they found
it to be dreary toss.
So who is right? Me, or the ten million people...? None of us are right,
because it is pure opinion.
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> No, but it would mean that they get to claim to be the "best religion" and
> they'd win a vote on it. Heh.
This wasn't about 'best religion', this was about wether God exists.
According to you, majority is right - so how can God not exist if the
majority think he does?
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> And
> then
>
> I repeat, "console games market". There wasn't one, it was gone.
Of course there was a console market, or no-one would have bought any of
Nintendo's consoles.
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> If nobody
> bought DVDs the fourth year they were available, and DVDs were pulled out
of
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> stores, but then Sony introduced a new DVD player and everyone started
> selling them again, don't you think that would mean they were important to
> the DVD market? Not the movie market, but the DVD market, eh? Very
> important, I'd say.
Important perhaps, but you couldn't say that the DVD market owed it's whole
existance to Sony because it existed before Sony introduced their new
player.
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> You're just playing Devil's Advocate, aren't you? The NES controller is
> most definitely the ancestor of what we use today. There's no question.
Yes, the NES controller is the ancestor but I never said otherwise and that
is not what you said in the first place. You said that we still use the NES
controller design, which is completely different to saying anything about
ancestory.
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> For you to even argue that point shows that you either seriously hate
> Nintendo,
Golly, fancy that. And what a real cardinal sin it would be if that were
true.
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> or you just enjoy argueing.
Or that you just got mixed up with what you were saying.
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>
> So what does that mean? Are you trying to tell me that all those
companies
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> were NOT trying to copy Nintendo's success with Mario? Get real.
It means that Nintendo and all the other companies were trying to get in on
the act that other companies had already had success with. Yes Nintendo may
have been the first to do it but to say that everyone else copied Nintendo
makes it sound like it was all their own idea.
If a company making hemorrhoid cream managed to have success with a mascot
and then their rivals did the same thing, the original company couldn't
really take too much credit for the idea.
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> NES
>
> Prove it. Maybe I'm wrong and it was just the first light gun videogame,
> but either way, its success paved the way for so many games--go read a
> review of Time Crisis or House of the Dead and you'll probably see a
mention
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> of Duck Hunt.
As someone else has already pointed out, the Atari 2600 had lightgun games -
but by the time Duck Hunt came out, the concept was almost ten years old
anyway.
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> So what are you looking for? It sounds to me like they'd have to split
the
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> atom to impress you.
I am not looking for anything in particular. And to me, it sounds like all
Nintendo would have to do is shit in a bag and sell it as Mario Poo to
impress you. No doubt you would think it was innovative as well.
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> What's your idea of an influential videogame company,
> then, I'd like to know.
When did I ever say that Nintendo wasn't influential? I just so happen to
think that there are also many more influential games companies in exsitance
and don't heap praise upon my favourite one in the same manner that others
do. I certainly don't get all defensive when someone disagrees with me
either.
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> I never said it was. I said the designers of Wipeout were inspired by it.
> Right after I said how Nintendo's games influenced later developers.
Didn't
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> you read that part?
I did, but going on your comments about analogue sticks and rumble packs I
thought you were implying that Nintendo where the first ones again.
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> Yes, I'd say it means something. Somebody liked Nintendo's games enough
to
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> try designing their own, and they succeeded and now do so for a living. I
> think it means something. God, you just can't have anyone giving Nintendo
> any credit at all without belittling it, can you? That's sad, man.
Mr Dexter, it is called debate and discussion. If you sit there waxing on
and on about something saying how great it is then you are going to have to
expect there to be people who disagree with you. If, in a public forum, I
posted on why I thought wanking was better than eating a bacon sandwich then
I cannot complain when people disagree with me. It doesn't matter WHAT the
subject is, people are allways going to disagree with what you say on some
things.
As much as it may pain you to realise, but there are actually people out
there in this world who do not think Nintendo are as amazing as you seem to
think. This doesn't make them anti-Nintendo, it just means they don't
cherish them in the same way that you do.
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> Time and again I have
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> Yeah, I can picture that very clearly. "Why would anyone give Nintendo
> credit for something? I don't understand." That's not hard to imagine at
> all.
That is not what I meant. I do not presume you sit there thinking "It
should be illegal for people to question or even dislike Nintendo, as they
have never ever done anything wrong in the world ever.".
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> excellent:
> Duty,
> Dragoon
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> Don't ask me, ask the developers. Like you said yourself, videogame media
> is full of developers who say they were influenced by Nintendo. I could
> speculate--Panzer Dragoon being influenced by Starfox is an easy one to
> see--but I'd just be speculating.
Well, you are the one who keeps going on about the Nintendo influence. I
was just hoping for something more concrete.
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> I cannot think how
>
> Yeah, we've got that part. The part where your brain can't process the
word
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> "Nintendo" positively--that's pretty well established. Believe me.
As opposed to someone like you who is acting like a blind little Nintendo
fanboy?
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