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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-21, 6:34 am |
| 'ello all,
I'm currently trying to find a good site for reliable Genesis cartridge
size specs(basically, how big the cart is: 4 meg, 8 meg, etc). I've
tried the VideoGame Museum, The Genesis Collective, VideoGame Hunter's
Oasis and a few others. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-21, 6:34 am |
| > Download the ROMs and look inside.
quote:
>
That only identifies the actual rom size, not the cart's...
Bel
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| Hugh Jass 2005-04-21, 8:31 pm |
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"BelPowerslave" <belpowerslave@ev1.net> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Some games, though on, say, a 16 meg cart...aren't actually 16 megs. I'm
> just trying to go by what they have stated on their boxes, or what the
> manufacturer stated their actual cart size was.
Why do you care?
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| Scott H 2005-04-21, 8:31 pm |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
>
>
> Thanks man, that's exactly right. 
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, I think you're right about the mags...stuff like old GamePros and EGMs
> seem to have that info in their little info box on the review pages. I miss
> the days when all of the Genesis games seemed to have how many megs they were
> touted somewhere on the box. ;)
If you want to do it this way, rather than using cart sizes, I can
rummage through my old Lamepros and get the cart sizes if you don't
already have them.
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| Greg Gillis 2005-04-21, 8:31 pm |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
>
>
> They really did. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything specific, but
> I do remember stuff like "8 meg power!" or "32 megs of action!", etc.
Yeah, they did that sort of thing all the time. Phantasy Star II and
Strider both had their meg sizes listed on their boxes, for example, and
Genesis print ads were littered with megabitial hyperbole...
quote:
>
>
> Yeah, that's a good point. I may just have to go with the roms to figure out
> some of these sizes.
I've found that the game mags of the early 90s often contradicted each
other when they listed cartridge sizes, so I've tried to use the most
widely-published or generally-accepted-to-be-true figures I can find.
Sometimes all the mags were wrong, too. For example, every mag in my
collection states that "Ghouls 'n Ghosts" is a 4 meg cartridge, but the
ROM size indicates otherwise...
--
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-22, 12:31 am |
| > > They really did. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything specific, but
quote:
>
> Yeah, they did that sort of thing all the time. Phantasy Star II and
> Strider both had their meg sizes listed on their boxes, for example, and
> Genesis print ads were littered with megabitial hyperbole...
>
Yeah, I remember it well. I think PSII was hyped as being one of the first 6 meg
carts, then, of course, Strider was the first-ever 8 megger.
quote:
>
>
> I've found that the game mags of the early 90s often contradicted each
> other when they listed cartridge sizes, so I've tried to use the most
> widely-published or generally-accepted-to-be-true figures I can find.
>
Yeah, I have noticed a lot of mags giving off different no's. I'm guessing they
figured that most people didn't care enough about how big a cart was to take notice.
;)
quote:
>
> Sometimes all the mags were wrong, too. For example, every mag in my
> collection states that "Ghouls 'n Ghosts" is a 4 meg cartridge, but the
> ROM size indicates otherwise...
>
Hmmmmm, that's interesting. How big is GnG? I always thought it was a 4 meg cart as
well...
Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-22, 12:31 am |
| > > Yeah, I think you're right about the mags...stuff like old GamePros and EGMs
quote:
>
> If you want to do it this way, rather than using cart sizes, I can
> rummage through my old Lamepros and get the cart sizes if you don't
> already have them.
Yeah, I've got a crapload of GamePro and EGM's I need to re-sift through, and pay
special attention to the listings for. What I'll probably do is go with that
first, then maybe post a list of what I lack, then I can hit the roms.
Bel
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| Jonathan Young 2005-04-22, 6:30 am |
| Which games? I used to dump games and I never encountered a dumpsize
that varied from the advertised size. For example, games like Altered
Beast and After Burner II (4 meg games) were always 512 kilobytes. 8
meg games were 1024, 16 meg games 2048, etc. I think Strider, the
first advertised 8 meg game, was 512 kilobytes. So, maybe later on in
the Genesis's life they tried to inflate the specs to sell more games?
I'm curious to know which games those might be.
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:11:10 GMT, BelPowerslave
<belpowerslave@ev1.net> wrote:
quote:
>
>Some games, though on, say, a 16 meg cart...aren't actually 16 megs. I'm
>just trying to go by what they have stated on their boxes, or what the
>manufacturer stated their actual cart size was.
>
>Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-22, 8:33 pm |
| Welll, the list isn't as bad as I thought it'd be. This is about all I
lack on games I've actually reviewed, their cart sizes:
Genesis:
Art Alive
Magical Taruruuto kun
Growl
Golden Axe III
Predator 2
Snake Rattle n Roll
Slaughter Sport
Seperation Anxiety
Sailor Moon
Rockman MegaWorld
TMNT: TF
Super Mario World
Valis
32X:
Spiderman: WoF
Virtua Fighter
Tempo
Shadow Squadron
Metal Head
Knuckles Chaotix
Sega Master System:
Rastan
Game Gear:
Psychic World
Jurassic Park
GG Shinobi
I'll be sifting through those old mags, again, seeing if I can come up
with anything. In the meantime, if anyone knows, just off the top of
their head(don't put any actual effort into it) what some of the cart
sizes are for the above mentioned titles, go ahead and post'em.
Bel
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| Quadro 2005-04-22, 8:33 pm |
| "BelPowerslave" <Belpowerslave@ev1.net> wrote in
news:1114185148.750584.316090@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
quote:
> 32X:
> Knuckles Chaotix
>
It's not listed on the box, and I just looked in the manual, which doesn't
mention it either.
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| Greg Gillis 2005-04-22, 8:33 pm |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
>
>
> Yeah, I remember it well. I think PSII was hyped as being one of the first 6 meg
> carts, then, of course, Strider was the first-ever 8 megger.
Sega claimed PSII was the first 6 meg game in its print ad. It also had
a big "6 mega" design on the front of its box and everything
quote:
>
>
> Hmmmmm, that's interesting. How big is GnG? I always thought it was a 4 meg cart as
> well...
So did I, but judging from the ROM size and various other tidbits of
info I could get off the net it seems GnG was actually a 5 megabit game.
I have no idea why Sega didn't hype the game's size, as that would have
made it the biggest Genesis cartridge available until PSII came out.
That being said, I always thought they managed to cram a ton of stuff
into Ghouls 'n Ghosts compared to some of the other 4 meg Genesis launch
titles (like Altered Beast or Super Thunder Blade). Maybe they didn't
have to cram as hard as I thought!
--
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| Scott H 2005-04-23, 12:31 am |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
> Welll, the list isn't as bad as I thought it'd be. This is about all I
> lack on games I've actually reviewed, their cart sizes:
The following is based on recollection, and cross referenced with the
rom size. ;)
quote:
> Genesis:
> Art Alive
> Magical Taruruuto kun
> Growl
4 Meg
quote:
> Golden Axe III
> Predator 2
> Snake Rattle n Roll
> Slaughter Sport
8 Meg
quote:
> Seperation Anxiety
> Sailor Moon
> Rockman MegaWorld
> TMNT: TF
> Super Mario World
> Valis
8 Meg
quote:
>
> 32X:
> Spiderman: WoF
24 Meg
quote:
> Virtua Fighter
32 Meg
quote:
> Tempo
24 Meg
quote:
> Shadow Squadron
16 Meg
quote:
> Metal Head
24 Meg
quote:
> Knuckles Chaotix
24 Meg
quote:
>
> Sega Master System:
> Rastan
2 Meg
quote:
>
> Game Gear:
> Psychic World
> Jurassic Park
> GG Shinobi
>
> I'll be sifting through those old mags, again, seeing if I can come up
> with anything. In the meantime, if anyone knows, just off the top of
> their head(don't put any actual effort into it) what some of the cart
> sizes are for the above mentioned titles, go ahead and post'em.
>
> Bel
>
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| Jonathan Young 2005-04-23, 6:30 am |
| Not sure how much help this will be, but the rom size for Art Alive is
128kb, which equates to 1 megabit.
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-23, 8:30 pm |
| > Not sure how much help this will be, but the rom size for Art Alive is
quote:
> 128kb, which equates to 1 megabit.
That's interesting. I wonder...did Sega ever do any 1 meg carts...or did
they really waste an entire 4 meg cart on that game...
Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-23, 8:31 pm |
| > > Yeah, I remember it well. I think PSII was hyped as being one of the first 6 meg
quote:
>
> Sega claimed PSII was the first 6 meg game in its print ad. It also had
> a big "6 mega" design on the front of its box and everything
>
Yup, I remember it. For most games I think it's just hype for the sake of hype, but for
an RPG, size really does matter, so I think it was intelligent of Sega to hype its size
at the time.
quote:
>
> So did I, but judging from the ROM size and various other tidbits of
> info I could get off the net it seems GnG was actually a 5 megabit game.
> I have no idea why Sega didn't hype the game's size, as that would have
> made it the biggest Genesis cartridge available until PSII came out.
>
Wow, I wonder if it really is a 5 meg cart...that'd be just too wild. Jonathan
mentioned, in another thread, that Art Alive is only 512k, which makes me wonder if they
put it on a 1 meg cart, or actually wasted a 4 meg cart on that.
quote:
>
> That being said, I always thought they managed to cram a ton of stuff
> into Ghouls 'n Ghosts compared to some of the other 4 meg Genesis launch
> titles (like Altered Beast or Super Thunder Blade). Maybe they didn't
> have to cram as hard as I thought!
>
Well, maybe their compression rate or some slick use of graphics resources allowed them
to get a lot more out of GnG's 4 meg cart than it did for AB, etc. Who knows...;)
Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-23, 8:31 pm |
| > The following is based on recollection, and cross referenced with the
quote:
> rom size. ;)
>
>
> 4 Meg
>
>
> 8 Meg
>
>
> 8 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 32 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 16 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 2 Meg
>
Excellent, thanks man. Will update the site with this ASAP.
Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-23, 8:31 pm |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
>
> Yup, I remember it. For most games I think it's just hype for the sake of hype, but for
> an RPG, size really does matter, so I think it was intelligent of Sega to hype its size
> at the time.
>
>
> Wow, I wonder if it really is a 5 meg cart...that'd be just too wild. Jonathan
> mentioned, in another thread, that Art Alive is only 512k, which makes me wonder if they
> put it on a 1 meg cart, or actually wasted a 4 meg cart on that.
>
My bad, 128k is what he said.
Bel
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| Greg Gillis 2005-04-24, 8:37 pm |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
>
>
> They really did. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything specific, but
> I do remember stuff like "8 meg power!" or "32 megs of action!", etc.
Yeah, they did that sort of thing all the time. Phantasy Star II and
Strider both had their meg sizes listed on their boxes, for example, and
Genesis print ads were littered with megabitial hyperbole...
quote:
>
>
> Yeah, that's a good point. I may just have to go with the roms to figure out
> some of these sizes.
I've found that the game mags of the early 90s often contradicted each
other when they listed cartridge sizes, so I've tried to use the most
widely-published or generally-accepted-to-be-true figures I can find.
Sometimes all the mags were wrong, too. For example, every mag in my
collection states that "Ghouls 'n Ghosts" is a 4 meg cartridge, but the
ROM size indicates otherwise...
--
Greg Gillis
Visit The Armadillo Games Home Page:
http://homepage.mac.com/greggillis/armadillogames
.... featuring "Radiant Weirdness Zone", the "Fawn" RPG series, and
numerous armadillii...
Visit FORS YARD, A Chronological Retrospective of the Sega Genesis:
http://homepage.mac.com/greggillis
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| Quadro 2005-04-24, 8:37 pm |
| "BelPowerslave" <Belpowerslave@ev1.net> wrote in
news:1114185148.750584.316090@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
quote:
> 32X:
> Knuckles Chaotix
>
It's not listed on the box, and I just looked in the manual, which doesn't
mention it either.
--
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"Don't blame hackers for problems that can best be explained by
incompetence" - former Defense Department CIO Paul Strassmann
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| Greg Gillis 2005-04-24, 8:37 pm |
| BelPowerslave wrote:
quote:
>
>
> Yeah, I remember it well. I think PSII was hyped as being one of the first 6 meg
> carts, then, of course, Strider was the first-ever 8 megger.
Sega claimed PSII was the first 6 meg game in its print ad. It also had
a big "6 mega" design on the front of its box and everything
quote:
>
>
> Hmmmmm, that's interesting. How big is GnG? I always thought it was a 4 meg cart as
> well...
So did I, but judging from the ROM size and various other tidbits of
info I could get off the net it seems GnG was actually a 5 megabit game.
I have no idea why Sega didn't hype the game's size, as that would have
made it the biggest Genesis cartridge available until PSII came out.
That being said, I always thought they managed to cram a ton of stuff
into Ghouls 'n Ghosts compared to some of the other 4 meg Genesis launch
titles (like Altered Beast or Super Thunder Blade). Maybe they didn't
have to cram as hard as I thought!
--
Greg Gillis
Visit The Armadillo Games Home Page:
http://homepage.mac.com/greggillis/armadillogames
.... featuring "Radiant Weirdness Zone", the "Fawn" RPG series, and
numerous armadillii...
Visit FORS YARD, A Chronological Retrospective of the Sega Genesis:
http://homepage.mac.com/greggillis
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| Jonathan Young 2005-04-25, 3:35 am |
| I was digging around my old files and I found a useful utility for
determining the actual ROM size versus the filesize of the ROM. I
checked out the Ghouls and Ghosts ROM and the filesize was just over 1
megabyte, which might indicate an 8 megabit game. When I ran the
useful utility, called UCON, it actually told me that the game itself
was 5 megabits. So Bel, this might be another resource for you in case
you have difficulty with certain games. Let me know if you can't find
it and I'll email it to you or something.
Jonathan
quote:
>
>Wow, I wonder if it really is a 5 meg cart...that'd be just too wild. Jonathan
>mentioned, in another thread, that Art Alive is only 512k, which makes me wonder if they
>put it on a 1 meg cart, or actually wasted a 4 meg cart on that.
>
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-25, 6:35 am |
| > > They really did. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything specific, but
quote:
>
> Yeah, they did that sort of thing all the time. Phantasy Star II and
> Strider both had their meg sizes listed on their boxes, for example, and
> Genesis print ads were littered with megabitial hyperbole...
>
Yeah, I remember it well. I think PSII was hyped as being one of the first 6 meg
carts, then, of course, Strider was the first-ever 8 megger.
quote:
>
>
> I've found that the game mags of the early 90s often contradicted each
> other when they listed cartridge sizes, so I've tried to use the most
> widely-published or generally-accepted-to-be-true figures I can find.
>
Yeah, I have noticed a lot of mags giving off different no's. I'm guessing they
figured that most people didn't care enough about how big a cart was to take notice.
;)
quote:
>
> Sometimes all the mags were wrong, too. For example, every mag in my
> collection states that "Ghouls 'n Ghosts" is a 4 meg cartridge, but the
> ROM size indicates otherwise...
>
Hmmmmm, that's interesting. How big is GnG? I always thought it was a 4 meg cart as
well...
Bel
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"Now what's your momma gonna say about this?"
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-25, 6:35 am |
| > > Yeah, I think you're right about the mags...stuff like old GamePros and EGMs
quote:
>
> If you want to do it this way, rather than using cart sizes, I can
> rummage through my old Lamepros and get the cart sizes if you don't
> already have them.
Yeah, I've got a crapload of GamePro and EGM's I need to re-sift through, and pay
special attention to the listings for. What I'll probably do is go with that
first, then maybe post a list of what I lack, then I can hit the roms.
Bel
--
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"Now what's your momma gonna say about this?"
- Marcus Hill, Narc
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-25, 6:35 am |
| > Download the ROMs and look inside.
quote:
>
That only identifies the actual rom size, not the cart's...
Bel
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-25, 8:46 pm |
| > Not sure how much help this will be, but the rom size for Art Alive is
quote:
> 128kb, which equates to 1 megabit.
That's interesting. I wonder...did Sega ever do any 1 meg carts...or did
they really waste an entire 4 meg cart on that game...
Bel
--
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- Marcus Hill, Narc
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| BelPowerslave 2005-04-25, 8:46 pm |
| > The following is based on recollection, and cross referenced with the
quote:
> rom size. ;)
>
>
> 4 Meg
>
>
> 8 Meg
>
>
> 8 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 32 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 16 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 24 Meg
>
>
> 2 Meg
>
Excellent, thanks man. Will update the site with this ASAP.
Bel
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