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Dishonest Sam Sloan
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| Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod) 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| Into a short post Sam was able to embed
so much dishonesty that it would suffice for
a monograph.
samsloan wrote:
quote:
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with
> my biography of Jana Bellin
Your usage of "is" is already dishonest.
Only "was" applies to your version. Your
"is" suggests that your version somehow
is related in an essential way with your
version. This is completely FALSE. The
present version in its effect CONTRADICTS
what you have written and implied.
The fact that some words still remain
from the old version does not change
the fact that your usage of "is" is DISHONEST.
Your claim about "absolutely nothing wrong"
is thus extra dishonest. It is the dirty
politician method to repeat a convennient lie
over and over, over the facts and arguments
made the lie plainly seen to anybody, who
cares to follow the polemics. But a dirty
politician will repeat his lie anyway.
quote:
> (which, incidentally, was modified
> by you on July 14).
Your usage of "modified" is dishonest.
The meaning and impact and effect of the bio
has turned the full 180 degrees, from
yours which was demeaning to the one which
presents Jana Bellin with respect.
quote:
> Here it is. Please tell us what you
> think is wrong with it or why she
> would not be happy about it.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Bellin
You are extremely dishonest, when you write
like this. The present bio, in its spirit, has
nothing to do with your version. I don't
see anythiung wrong witrh the present version,
and everything wrong with your DIRTY
original version (possibly the dirt was only
partially for your fun, while perhaps in your
dirty mind you were also trying to score some
political points).
quote:
> Incidentally, I wrote a biography of Leroy
> Dubeck which may explain why
> he supported me for election and got me elected.
This once again show how corrupted and dishonest
you are. Encyclopedias should be protected from
the slime creatures like you.
Wlod
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| samsloan 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| I have no idea what you are referring to.
The biography of Jana Bellin as presently posted is virtually identical
to the original one I posted except that the order of her husbands is
changed and you added that she won the British Woman's Championship
several times.
If I had not posted her biography originally, there would be no
biography online now.
Sam Sloan
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| I think he is referring to this remark by you, Sam Sloan:
"She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters. First she married
Grandmaster Tomy Miles. Then she married William Hartson. Then she married
Robert Bellin"
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| samsloan 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| Pretz wrote:
quote:
> I think he is referring to this remark by you, Sam Sloan:
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> "She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters. First she married
> Grandmaster Tomy Miles. Then she married William Hartson. Then she married
> Robert Bellin"
The advantage to Wikipedia is that if there is an error anybody can
correct it.
In this case, I had the names of her husbands right. I just had the
order she married them wrong.
Wlod could have corrected this himself, but chose not to do so.
Instead Wlod wrote a long screed attacking me for simily naming her
husbands in the wrong order.
So, I corrected it, putting Hartson first, Miles second and Bellin
third.
Sam Sloan
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| "samsloan" <> In this case, I had the names of her husbands right. I just
had the
quote:
> order she married them wrong.
>
Your snide remark basically categorized the woman as some kind of Chess
Whore or groupie. If you can't understand how badly you XXXXed up, then I am
beginning to understand why so many people think that you are a first-class
XXXXXXX.
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| Sam Sloan 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:54:32 GMT, "Yutz" <yutz@yahoo.com> wrote:
quote:
>"samsloan" <> In this case, I had the names of her husbands right. I just
>had the
>
>Your snide remark basically categorized the woman as some kind of Chess
>Whore or groupie. If you can't understand how badly you XXXXed up, then I am
>beginning to understand why so many people think that you are a first-class
>XXXXXXX.
The news about her frequent marriages to famous chess masters was
published in British Chess Magazine as they occurred, which is why
everybody else but you knows about it.
Sam Sloan
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| "Sam Sloan" <> The news about her frequent marriages to famous chess masters
was
quote:
> published in British Chess Magazine as they occurred, which is why
everybody else but you knows about it.>
Yes, but the snide, disrespectful remarks were your own creation. No doubt
she turned you down when you made your run at her.
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| Louis Blair 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com)
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255)
wrote (24 Jul 2006 19:08:31 -0700):
7 ... The biography of Jana Bellin as presently posted is virtually
7 identical to the original one I posted except that the order of
7 her husbands is changed and you added that she won the
7 British Woman's Championship several times.
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The "original":
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"...
Jana Bellin (b. 1947 in Czechoslovakia) is a Woman
Grandmaster of chess.
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She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters.
First she married Grandmaster Tony Miles. Then she
married William Hartston. Then she married Robert
Bellin.
_
This information may not be up to date, as it is difficult
to keep up with recent developments.
_
She is a medical doctor and Chairman of the FIDE
Medical Commission, which supervises drug testing
of chess players. She has become controversial in
FIDE, because many chess grandmasters object to
being tested for drugs, because it is expensive and
there is no history of drug abuse by chess players,
nor is there any evidence that drugs can improve
chess performance. ..." - Sam Sloan
(sloan@ishipress.com,
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255,
Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:41:55 GMT)
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The "presently posted" version is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Bellin
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| samsloan 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| This post by Louis Blair is misleading, as his posts usually are,
because he merely posts the first draft of my biography of Jana Bellin.
It is important to point out that biographies on Wikipedia are not
intended to be the last word on any subject. They are intended to be
the first word and others are encouraged to come in and add additional
information.
Here is my first complete biography of Jana Bellin, before anybody else
edited it.
Jana Bellin
quote:
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Revision as of 15:35, 21 December 2005; Sam Sloan
Jana Bellin (b. 1947 in Czechoslovakia) is a Woman Grandmaster of
chess.
She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters. First she married
Grandmaster Tony Miles. Then she married William Hartston. Then she
married Robert Bellin.
This information may not be up to date, as it is difficult to keep up
with recent developments.
She is a medical doctor and Chairman of the FIDE Medical Commission,
which supervises drug testing of chess players. She has become
controversial in FIDE, because many chess grandmasters object to being
tested for drugs, because it is expensive and there is no history of
drug abuse by chess players, nor is there any evidence that drugs can
improve chess performance.
External links
* FIDE rating card for Jana Bellin
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Bellin"
Categories: 1947 births | British chess players | Czech chess players |
Chess woman grandmasters
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| London Chess 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| Hey XXXXXXX, she's not best known for marrying chess grandmasters.
You're a dick.
Cheers,
Tony
samsloan wrote:
quote:
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> She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters. First she married
> Grandmaster Tony Miles. Then she married William Hartston. Then she
> married Robert Bellin.
>
> * FIDE rating card for Jana Bellin
>
> Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Bellin"
>
> Categories: 1947 births | British chess players | Czech chess players |
> Chess woman grandmasters
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| Louis Blair 2006-08-03, 2:52 am |
| Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com)
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255)
wrote (24 Jul 2006 19:08:31 -0700):
7 ... The biography of Jana Bellin as presently posted is virtually
7 identical to the original one I posted except that the order of
7 her husbands is changed and you added that she won the
7 British Woman's Championship several times.
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I wrote (26 Jul 2006 06:15:31 -0700):
7 The "original":
7
7 "...
7 Jana Bellin (b. 1947 in Czechoslovakia) is a Woman
7 Grandmaster of chess.
7
7 She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters.
7 First she married Grandmaster Tony Miles. Then she
7 married William Hartston. Then she married Robert
7 Bellin.
7
7 This information may not be up to date, as it is difficult
7 to keep up with recent developments.
7
7 She is a medical doctor and Chairman of the FIDE
7 Medical Commission, which supervises drug testing
7 of chess players. She has become controversial in
7 FIDE, because many chess grandmasters object to
7 being tested for drugs, because it is expensive and
7 there is no history of drug abuse by chess players,
7 nor is there any evidence that drugs can improve
7 chess performance. ..." - Sam Sloan
7 (sloan@ishipress.com,
7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255,
7 Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:41:55 GMT)
7
7
7 The "presently posted" version is at:
7
7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Bellin
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Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com)
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255)
wrote (26 Jul 2006 06:59:13 -0700):
7 This post by Louis Blair is misleading, as his posts usually
7 are, because he merely posts the first draft of my biography
7 of Jana Bellin.
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As indicated, the source for my note was what Sam Sloan
(sloan@ishipress.com, NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255)
himself chose to share with us on Wed, 21 Dec 2005
15:41:55 GMT.
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Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com)
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255)
wrote (26 Jul 2006 06:59:13 -0700):
7 It is important to point out that biographies on Wikipedia are
7 not intended to be the last word on any subject. They are
7 intended to be the first word and others are encouraged to
7 come in and add additional information.
_
My previous note (like this one) contained, at the beginning,
the Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com, NNTP-Posting-Host:
68.199.110.255) comment about the revision that took place
between the "original" and the "presently posted" version.
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Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com)
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255)
wrote (26 Jul 2006 06:59:13 -0700):
7 Here is my first complete biography of Jana Bellin, before
7 anybody else edited it.
7
7 Jana Bellin
7 >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
7 Revision as of 15:35, 21 December 2005; Sam Sloan
7
7 Jana Bellin (b. 1947 in Czechoslovakia) is a Woman
7 Grandmaster of chess.
7
7 She is best known for marrying chess grandmasters.
7 First she married Grandmaster Tony Miles. Then she
7 married William Hartston. Then she married Robert
7 Bellin.
7
7 This information may not be up to date, as it is difficult
7 to keep up with recent developments.
7
7 She is a medical doctor and Chairman of the FIDE
7 Medical Commission, which supervises drug testing
7 of chess players. She has become controversial in
7 FIDE, because many chess grandmasters object to
7 being tested for drugs, because it is expensive and
7 there is no history of drug abuse by chess players,
7 nor is there any evidence that drugs can improve
7 chess performance.
7
7 External links
7
7 * FIDE rating card for Jana Bellin
7
7 Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jana_Bellin"
7
7 Categories: 1947 births | British chess players | Czech chess players
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7 Chess woman grandmasters
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I used "..." instead of the material beginning with "External
links" because the discussion here has been about "the
snide, disrespectful remarks". I reproduced what was
relevant to that discussion. What difference, if any, does
Sam Sloan see in the main text between his quote and
mine?
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