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Sam Sloan

2005-07-01, 12:39 am

The following letter contains a series of bogus allegations by Beatriz
Marinello, as follows:

On 30 Jun 2005 16:33:15 -0700, beatchess@aol.com wrote:
quote:

>Don.- Its clear that only the candidates were entitled to purchase
>labels for their campaigns. As far as I know, Joel Channing, Robert
>Tanner and Greg Shahade did not order labels from the office. You may
>say that you acted on Joel Channing's behalf, but this is
>inappropriate.


Anybody may order USCF mailing labels for political reasons. There has
never been a rule that only candidates may order mailing labels. For
example, in the last election, Jim Eade ordered mailing labels to do a
bulk mailing attacking me personally, and Eade was not a candidate.
quote:

>
>You may disagree, but this underline your conflict acting as USCF
>Secretary in charge of the election and campaign manager for al least
>one of the candidates.


Another bogus claim: USCF Secretary is a political office and as such
the Secretary has always endorsed a slate of candidates. Rachel
Lieberman was secretary for at least six years and her husband was
secretary before that and they always had candidates they supported.
In no instance has a secretary in office not supported candidates for
election.
quote:

>In previous Internet postings and e-mails you criticized me for
>endorsing candidates. However, you fail to recognize that I do not
>have anything to do with the decision making process in connection with
>the election. My only involvement was after we found out about the
>problems with the first ballot and I did never cross the line to make a
>recommendation or even tried to influence a decision, my only interest
>was the fairness and transparency of the process.


Not true, for several reasons. Beatriz Marinello used the USCF Office
Computers to send out a bulk mailing endorsing her slate of
candidates. Never before in the history of the USCF has this happened.

Also, Beatriz instructed Glenn Petersen not to publish my candidates
statement in the April Chess Life, after reviewing my statement and
seeing that it was critical of her. This has never happened before in
the history of the USCF.

Now, in the most egregious interference of all, Beatriz Marinello
moved to remove Don Schultz as Secretary to be replaced by two of her
lackeys.
quote:

>I have being very open to accept that the Natrol deal was my mistake.
>In fact, I apologized to the scholastic community for it.


Where is this apology? I have not seen it and I believe that nobody
else here has either.

How much money did you get paid for the Natrol deal?
quote:

> Having said
>this, its not fair that you and Bill Goichberg have been embarking in a
>campaign to accentuate on this mistake without recognizing that the
>USCF would it had file for charter 11 if Tim Hanke and I were not
>elected in 2003.


Not true. While the USCF faced serious financial difficulties, it was
nowhere near to filing for Chapter 11. You apparently are not even
aware of the legal requirements for filing Chapter 11.
quote:

> You and Frank Brady supported us, the USCF should be
>thankful to you for this. BUT the plan for the financial recovery of
>the USCF was engineered by Tim Hanke, Leroy Dubeck, Stan Booz and
>myself. My job was to make it happen. Many people at the time told me
>"do not be disappointed if things do not work out, the USCF does not
>move fast enough to implement these measurements as fast as they are
>needed." Well, you know well that I worked day and night towards the
>goal of saving the USCF.


You spent your time doing nothing but bad things, harmful to the USCF
and unauthorized by the by-laws, while gaining revenge on your
enemies.
quote:

>Bill Goichberg was against the outsourcing deal, this is the reason why
>I agreed to accept his offer to become USCF Executive Director. This
>forced him to be the one who needed to implement this decision. You
>and your friends continuously said that Bill Goichberg was the we' ve
>ever had. Well, I disagree. Bill deserves credit for being the most
>prominent chess organizer in the USA. However, he has no vision and
>people's skills. God save us from having him to become the next USCF
>President, this will be a disaster.


Your "people skills" consist of lying all the time, as in this posting
for example.
quote:

>For the record, I am not seeking nor I will accept any important
>position in the upcoming board even if we win the election and we have
>a board majority. I have done enough.. Hopefully the USCF will survive
>Bill Goichberg's leadership is you manage to get a board majority. As
>for me, I will finish my term in the board, and concentrate in my own
>life.


We will try to hold you to that, as we are fairly certain that you
want another two years as USCF President.

We only hope that you go back to Chile and leave the remainder of the
USCF's money here that has not been stolen.

We remember that you promised to step down on January 1, 2005 but
reneged on that deal, so naturally we assume that you are lying again.
quote:

>I truly hope that our membership will support Randy Bauer, Steve Shutt,
>Elizabeth Shaunessy and George John in this election. As for the other
>candidates, Robert Tanner and Gregory Shahade, they will be also good
>team players.
>
>Bill Goichberg and Joel Channing are going to follow your foot steps
>and bring this organization into a more polarize situation.
>
>Beatriz Marinello


Nobody has brought the USCF into a "more polarize situation" than
Beatriz Marinello.

Can anybody remember any time in the 66 year history of the USCF when
it was more polarized than it is now?

Sam Sloan

P.S. This is a real posting by me, Sam Sloan. There have been dozens
of fake "Sam Sloan' postings in the past few days. I will state,
however, that I do not believe that Beatriz Marinello or anybody
connected with her is behind these fake postings. I have my own ideas
as to who is doing it.
invalid@exampple.com

2005-07-01, 3:33 am



Sam Sloan wrote:

[snip]

Sam Sloan is unsuitable for any USCF office for one simple reason;
he crossposts articles about USCF politics into newsgroups that are
supposed to be dedicated to computer chess. That alone shows that
he has poor judgement and is unable to get along with others in a
civil society by obeying simple and sensible rules. Who can tell
what his next inappropriate behavior will be? Does he also consider
himself to be above the rules concerning not stealing USCF money?
Does he also consider himself to be above the rules concerning taking
a shit in the bathroom instead of squating "over the board?" We simply
cannot trust someone who refuses to respect basic newsgroup protocol.


Our new campaign slogan:
Dump Sam Sloan before he takes a dump on you!!!

parrthenon@cs.com

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

DEAR GEORGE JOHN
quote:

>I do know of one non-candidate who told me that he attempted to order labels and was told that only candidates could order them.> George John


I never heard of a policy denying mailing labels to those who
simply order them. Leroy Dubeck, your team leader, has certainly used
labels over the years from the Federation for his mailings. So have I
and everyone else on either side of an election, officer or not.

Is it then the criticism that Don Schultz used labels in the
same fashion as Leroy Dubeck or Helen Warren or Tim Redman or Jim Eade
or Steve Doyle (when he was president!) or Woody Harris (when he was,
ah, secretary)?

If so, it is an unusual criticism. In fact it is the first
time I ever heard it.

Ruud

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

I agree. Sam Sloan seems to be on a crusade practically all the time, has
disagreements in allmost all his entries, is looking for 'yes-men' agreeing
with him angainst his competition on rec.games.chess.politics and now
bothers others with it.
If he wants to be believed, he should makes some positive points once in a
while and stop being so recentfull (correct spelling?? English is not my
native language).

<invalid@exampple.com> schreef in bericht
news:11c9frer8drn0b3@corp.supernews.com...
quote:

>
>
> Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Sam Sloan is unsuitable for any USCF office for one simple reason;
> he crossposts articles about USCF politics into newsgroups that are
> supposed to be dedicated to computer chess. That alone shows that
> he has poor judgement and is unable to get along with others in a
> civil society by obeying simple and sensible rules. Who can tell
> what his next inappropriate behavior will be? Does he also consider
> himself to be above the rules concerning not stealing USCF money?
> Does he also consider himself to be above the rules concerning taking
> a shit in the bathroom instead of squating "over the board?" We simply
> cannot trust someone who refuses to respect basic newsgroup protocol.
>
>
> Our new campaign slogan:
> Dump Sam Sloan before he takes a dump on you!!!
>



Sam Sloan

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:42:53 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
wrote:
quote:

>The following letter contains a series of bogus allegations by Beatriz
>Marinello, as follows:
>
>On 30 Jun 2005 16:33:15 -0700, beatchess@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>Anybody may order USCF mailing labels for political reasons. There has
>never been a rule that only candidates may order mailing labels. For
>example, in the last election, Jim Eade ordered mailing labels to do a
>bulk mailing attacking me personally, and Eade was not a candidate.
>
>
>Another bogus claim: USCF Secretary is a political office and as such
>the Secretary has always endorsed a slate of candidates. Rachel
>Lieberman was secretary for at least six years and her husband was
>secretary before that and they always had candidates they supported.
>In no instance has a secretary in office not supported candidates for
>election.
>
>
>Not true, for several reasons. Beatriz Marinello used the USCF Office
>Computers to send out a bulk mailing endorsing her slate of
>candidates. Never before in the history of the USCF has this happened.
>
>Also, Beatriz instructed Glenn Petersen not to publish my candidates
>statement in the April Chess Life, after reviewing my statement and
>seeing that it was critical of her. This has never happened before in
>the history of the USCF.
>
>Now, in the most egregious interference of all, Beatriz Marinello
>moved to remove Don Schultz as Secretary to be replaced by two of her
>lackeys.
>
>
>Where is this apology? I have not seen it and I believe that nobody
>else here has either.
>
>How much money did you get paid for the Natrol deal?
>
>
>Not true. While the USCF faced serious financial difficulties, it was
>nowhere near to filing for Chapter 11. You apparently are not even
>aware of the legal requirements for filing Chapter 11.
>
>
>You spent your time doing nothing but bad things, harmful to the USCF
>and unauthorized by the by-laws, while gaining revenge on your
>enemies.
>
>
>Your "people skills" consist of lying all the time, as in this posting
>for example.
>
>
>We will try to hold you to that, as we are fairly certain that you
>want another two years as USCF President.
>
>We only hope that you go back to Chile and leave the remainder of the
>USCF's money here that has not been stolen.
>
>We remember that you promised to step down on January 1, 2005 but
>reneged on that deal, so naturally we assume that you are lying again.
>
>
>Nobody has brought the USCF into a "more polarize situation" than
>Beatriz Marinello.
>
>Can anybody remember any time in the 66 year history of the USCF when
>it was more polarized than it is now?
>
>Sam Sloan
>
>P.S. This is a real posting by me, Sam Sloan. There have been dozens
>of fake "Sam Sloan' postings in the past few days. I will state,
>however, that I do not believe that Beatriz Marinello or anybody
>connected with her is behind these fake postings. I have my own ideas
>as to who is doing it.


I hope you all realize that the above posting is not from the real Sam
Sloan. I have great respect for Beatriz and am looking forward to
working against her after I am elected.

You all thought I would lose in Chicago; and you all think I will lose
this election; and you all are completely wrong.

Sam Sloan

Ruud

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

If people are misusing your name: think about that before going into
politics.
If you're lying , please seek some help to get your mind made up.
"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> schreef in bericht
news:93abc1ld7r22pkkmm92ap7ak5e94qert6p@4ax.com...
quote:

> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:42:53 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
> wrote:
>
>
> I hope you all realize that the above posting is not from the real Sam
> Sloan. I have great respect for Beatriz and am looking forward to
> working against her after I am elected.
>
> You all thought I would lose in Chicago; and you all think I will lose
> this election; and you all are completely wrong.
>
> Sam Sloan
>



Sam Sloan

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:35:56 +0200, Sam Sloan <sloan@ishipress.com>
wrote:
quote:

>I hope you all realize that the above posting is not from the real Sam
>Sloan. I have great respect for Beatriz and am looking forward to
>working against her after I am elected.
>
>You all thought I would lose in Chicago; and you all think I will lose
>this election; and you all are completely wrong.
>
>Sam Sloan


The above posting is not from me either. This one is especially
dangerous because it looks like it really came from me. Even I would
think it came from me if I did not know that I did not write it.

It appears to have been posted from an email address in Germany. Look
at the time zone above GMT +0200

Also, look at:

Organization: 1&1 Internet AG
X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com

My real postings say:

Organization: Ishi Press
X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net

I believe that this is a new and different fake poster. He even says
things that I might actually write. It is becoming harder and harder
to tell the real ones from the fakes.

Sam Sloan.
Matt Nemmers

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

> On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:35:56 +0200, Sam Sloan <sloan@ishipress.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> The above posting is not from me either. This one is especially
> dangerous because it looks like it really came from me. Even I would
> think it came from me if I did not know that I did not write it.
>
> It appears to have been posted from an email address in Germany. Look
> at the time zone above GMT +0200


I'll bet that it's Jurgen R. who is impersonating Sloan. He's twisted
enough.

MN

leshaun.fossett@gmail.com

2005-07-01, 8:33 pm

Nice try.

Last time I checked, Sloan doesn't live in Germany.

I guess this person thought that if they used the same Usenet reader
Sam uses (this poster used Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652, as opposed to
the version the real Sam Sloan uses, which is 1.21/32.243).

Sam Sloan

2005-07-02, 12:32 am

On 1 Jul 2005 15:26:36 -0700, leshaun.fossett@gmail.com wrote:
quote:

>Nice try.
>
>Last time I checked, Sloan doesn't live in Germany.
>
>I guess this person thought that if they used the same Usenet reader
>Sam uses (this poster used Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652, as opposed to
>the version the real Sam Sloan uses, which is 1.21/32.243).


Right!! And great catch!

It was definitely Jurgen. Jurgen uses exactly the same version of
newsreader and posts from the same server, plus how many people post
to here from Germany.

Now, if we could only find who the Bellsouth poster is.

Here are typical headers from a previous post by Jurgen:

Path:
newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net!newsartnum1.dllstx09.us.to.verio.net!newspeer1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net!verio!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.vmunix.org!feed.news.tiscali.de!blackbush.cw.net!cw.net!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!ne
ws.online.de!not-for-mail
From: Jürgen R. <jurgenr@web.de>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics
Subject: Re: $800 already pledged for Sloan vs. Brock Grudge Match!
Need $200 more!
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:06:44 +0200
Organization: 1&1 Internet AG
Lines: 13
Message-ID: <3e9bb1thgoebelpeknijcif3b1ij1r2heu@4ax.com>
References: <1119183817.399557.46970@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
<1119186536.049209.197070@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: jurgenr@web.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: p549825b4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Trace: online.de 1119200706 21834 84.152.37.180 (19 Jun 2005
17:05:06 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:05:06 +0000 (UTC)
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652
Xref: newsartnum1.dllstx09.us.to.verio.net
rec.games.chess.politics:228543
invalid@example.com

2005-07-02, 12:32 am




Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

>You all thought I would lose in Chicago;


You got it wrong. We all think that you are a loser.
Winning a game doesn't change your loser nature.
quote:

>and you all think I will lose this election; and you all are
>completely wrong.


You are unqualified to hold the office. It requires someone who is
willing to follow the rules of polite and civil society. The fact
that you keep filling a computer chess newsgroup with political
posts proves that you don't care about anyone but Sam Sloan.

Who can tell what your next inappropriate behavior will be? Do
you also consider yourself to be above the rules concerning not
stealing USCF money? Do you also consider yourself to be above
the rules concerning taking a shit in the bathroom instead of
squating "over the board?" Why should we trust someone who
refuses to respect basic newsgroup protocol?

Our new campaign slogan:
Dump Sam Sloan before he takes a dump on you!!!



invalid@example.com

2005-07-02, 12:32 am




Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

>I believe that this is a new and different fake poster. He even says
>things that I might actually write. It is becoming harder and harder
>to tell the real ones from the fakes.


Sam Sloan is unsuitable for any USCF office for one simple reason;
he crossposts articles about USCF politics into newsgroups that are
supposed to be dedicated to computer chess. That alone shows that
he has poor judgement and is unable to get along with others in a
civil society by obeying simple and sensible rules. Who can tell
what his next inappropriate behavior will be? Does he also consider
himself to be above the rules concerning not stealing USCF money?
Does he also consider himself to be above the rules concerning taking
a shit in the bathroom instead of squating "over the board?" We simply
cannot trust someone who refuses to respect basic newsgroup protocol.

Our new campaign slogan:
Dump Sam Sloan before he takes a dump on you!!!


LWDubeck

2005-07-02, 3:37 am

Re the buyimg of labels IN THIS ELECTION. I called the USCF Office and
was told by Traci Ponds that only candidates could buy the labels ---I
could not. That is a fact. What happened in prior elections does not
matter. Those were the rules I was given when I tried to buy a set of
labels. Apparently the rules did not apply to Secretary Don Schultz. If
he received a more complete membership list than the Chess Success
candidates could buy, this gave his slate an unfair advantage because
some of the voters only received the Schultz/Goichberg mailings which
contain numerous factual errors or distortions.That was an enormous and
unfair advantage for them.

The assertion that Rachel Lieberman campaigned for anyone while USCF
Secretary is also simply untrue. The Schultz/Goichberg team is doing
yet more character assassinations.

Vote for the team that will continue USCF on the road to financial
recovery--Randy Bauer, George John, Elizabeth Shaugnessy and Stave
Shutt. Dr. Leroy Dubeck, Past President USCF

Ruud

2005-07-02, 3:37 am

You lost me, but please stop this on this newsgroup, cause I want to enjoy
it some more. I already quit the 'rec.games.chess.politics' for this.
Impersonating is only a game if it's funny.
<invalid@example.com> schreef in bericht
news:11cbs00h13afra8@corp.supernews.com...
quote:

>
>
>
> Sam Sloan wrote:
>
>
> You got it wrong. We all think that you are a loser.
> Winning a game doesn't change your loser nature.
>
>
> You are unqualified to hold the office. It requires someone who is
> willing to follow the rules of polite and civil society. The fact
> that you keep filling a computer chess newsgroup with political
> posts proves that you don't care about anyone but Sam Sloan.
>
> Who can tell what your next inappropriate behavior will be? Do
> you also consider yourself to be above the rules concerning not
> stealing USCF money? Do you also consider yourself to be above
> the rules concerning taking a shit in the bathroom instead of
> squating "over the board?" Why should we trust someone who
> refuses to respect basic newsgroup protocol?
>
> Our new campaign slogan:
> Dump Sam Sloan before he takes a dump on you!!!
>
>
>



Sam Sloam

2005-07-02, 8:36 pm




Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

>In 2001 when I sent out my recall petition against Tim Redman and the
>Redman Gang, George DeFeis at first refused to sell me the mailing
>labels. Redman correctly overruled DeFeis, to his credit because
>Redman knew that I weas going to use the mailing labels to send a
>letter demanding the recall of Redman.


How much did they cost? I am considering letting the entire USCF
membership know about you purposely disrupting rec.games.chess.computer
with posts that have nothing to do with computers.

Here is my rough draft:

Sam Sloan is unsuitable for any USCF office for one simple reason;
he crossposts articles about USCF politics into newsgroups that are
supposed to be dedicated to computer chess. That alone shows that
he has poor judgement and is unable to get along with others in a
civil society by obeying simple and sensible rules. Who can tell
what his next inappropriate behavior will be? Does he also consider
himself to be above the rules concerning not stealing USCF money?
Does he also consider himself to be above the rules concerning taking
a shit in the bathroom instead of squating "over the board?" We simply
cannot trust someone who refuses to respect basic newsgroup protocol.

Our new campaign slogan:
Dump Sam Sloan before he takes a dump on you!!!





Sam Sloan

2005-07-02, 8:36 pm

On 1 Jul 2005 22:18:25 -0700, "LWDubeck" <lwdubeck@aol.com> wrote:
quote:

>Re the buyimg of labels IN THIS ELECTION. I called the USCF Office and
>was told by Traci Ponds that only candidates could buy the labels ---I
>could not. That is a fact. What happened in prior elections does not
>matter. Those were the rules I was given when I tried to buy a set of
>labels. Apparently the rules did not apply to Secretary Don Schultz. If
>he received a more complete membership list than the Chess Success
>candidates could buy, this gave his slate an unfair advantage because
>some of the voters only received the Schultz/Goichberg mailings which
>contain numerous factual errors or distortions.That was an enormous and
>unfair advantage for them.


Tracy Ponds, formerly Tracy Lee, is a very low level office worker.
She is at the bottom of the totum pole. She does not make policy.

If she told you that you could not order mailing labels, it was out of
ignorance. You could have appealed to her boss. Since he is new and
does not know either, you could have appealed to the board.

In 2001 when I sent out my recall petition against Tim Redman and the
Redman Gang, George DeFeis at first refused to sell me the mailing
labels. Redman correctly overruled DeFeis, to his credit because
Redman knew that I weas going to use the mailing labels to send a
letter demanding the recall of Redman.

Sam Sloan
quote:

>The assertion that Rachel Lieberman campaigned for anyone while USCF
>Secretary is also simply untrue. The Schultz/Goichberg team is doing
>yet more character assassinations.


You forget that in the 1996 election, Rachel Lieberman was on the
Dorsch slate which called for the removal of Al Lawrence as Executive
Director.
quote:

>Vote for the team that will continue USCF on the road to financial
>recovery--Randy Bauer, George John, Elizabeth Shaugnessy and Stave
>Shutt. Dr. Leroy Dubeck, Past President USCF


More typical lies by Leroy DoubleCheck.

Sam Sloan
chessdon

2005-07-02, 8:36 pm

Dear Leroy:

It has been a long established practice for non candidates to purchase
mailing labels during USCF elections. As far as I know, that practice
has never been questioned.

But that is not relevant here since the labels were purchased via a
phone call to the USCF made by me acting at Joel?s request. The
payments for the labels were charged to Joel?s credit card at the time
of ordering.

As for you statement: "The assertion that Rachel Lieberman never
campaigned for anyone while she was USCF Secretary" is also untrue. You
will have to refresh my memory as to when I may have said this. But if
I did I would not have been wrong. In 1996, as Secretary, Rachel
actively campaigned for herself in her contest with John McCrary. She
did nothing wrong by doing this..

Don Schultz

Mike Nolan

2005-07-03, 3:31 am

"LWDubeck" <lwdubeck@aol.com> writes:
quote:

>Re the buyimg of labels IN THIS ELECTION. I called the USCF Office and
>was told by Traci Ponds that only candidates could buy the labels ---I
>could not. That is a fact. What happened in prior elections does not
>matter. Those were the rules I was given when I tried to buy a set of
>labels. Apparently the rules did not apply to Secretary Don Schultz. If
>he received a more complete membership list than the Chess Success
>candidates could buy, this gave his slate an unfair advantage because
>some of the voters only received the Schultz/Goichberg mailings which
>contain numerous factual errors or distortions.That was an enormous and
>unfair advantage for them.


Assuming I'm finding the right label sets, the labels Don ordered (in
February) did not include any members who had requested their addresses
be kept confidential.

The same restrictions would have been applied to the labels ordered by
Bill Goichberg and George John, as that is standard policy for all labels
ordered for 3rd party use.

I find it peculiar that while Leroy has included me in the CC list for
several e-mails about a variety of ballot situations and phoned me several
times, he did not apparently contact anyone other than Traci about
ordering labels of voting members.

I suspect that what Traci was told was that all labels for voting members
had to be ordered through (or approved by) the candidates, but she may not
have been told that until March or April. The roughly 18,000 labels ordered
by Don in early February were not limited to just voting members, as he
also ordered labels for affiliates.

Looking at the label order form, everyone who orders labels from the USCF
is supposed to supply a sample of the piece that will be mailed using
those labels. I doubt that the USCF has ever enforced that requirement,
though perhaps it should.

Another option would be to have our mailer handle all mailings rather
than send the names and addresses to 3rd parties, so that the names
and addresses of our members, possibly our most significant asset,
remain under our control. However, I doubt that organizers, who often
use only the labels they want rather than all of the labels ordered,
would like that option.

There have been some cases of misuse of names and addresses as well as
claims of misuse made here in rgcp, one of which as it turns out, included
some people who have never been USCF members and were not in the USCF
database. Wherever those names and addresses came from, it wasn't the USCF.
--
Mike Nolan
_@_._

2005-07-03, 8:32 pm




Mike Nolan wrote:
quote:

>Another option would be to have our mailer handle all mailings rather
>than send the names and addresses to 3rd parties, so that the names
>and addresses of our members, possibly our most significant asset,
>remain under our control. However, I doubt that organizers, who often
>use only the labels they want rather than all of the labels ordered,
>would like that option.


With every order for labels, insert a few with fake names to addresses
that you control. That way, if any further use of the mailing list
happens, you have evidence for your lawsuit.

StanB

2005-07-04, 8:34 pm


<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1120216894.649370.236980@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:

> Is it then the criticism that Don Schultz used labels in the
> same fashion as Leroy Dubeck or Helen Warren or Tim Redman or Jim Eade
> or Steve Doyle (when he was president!) or Woody Harris (when he was,
> ah, secretary)?


The question is, how did he get the restricted list? (It ain't what you
know...)


chessdon

2005-07-05, 12:31 am

The question is, how did he get the restricted list? (It ain't what you

know...)

Stan that was aready answered by us when we said we didn't use such a
list and it would be stupid for us to send mailings to people who don't
want them - because we would lose not gain votes by doing that.

Since you again brought this up Stan, I would like to ask a question
about address lists as well.

Beatriz recently sent out an Internet campaign mailing that included
Hugh C Paulk on the send to list. I'm not making any accusation here
but am curious about how this name appeared on a mailing coming from
Beatriz - simply very strange. There also was an earlier mailing by
Beatriz that included another name that was equally strange. I have
been asked as to how use of these names was possible. This name
certainly was not on any of the mailing lists we used.

Don

Mike Nolan

2005-07-05, 12:31 am

"chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> writes:
quote:

>Beatriz recently sent out an Internet campaign mailing that included
>Hugh C Paulk on the send to list. I'm not making any accusation here
>but am curious about how this name appeared on a mailing coming from
>Beatriz - simply very strange. There also was an earlier mailing by
>Beatriz that included another name that was equally strange. I have
>been asked as to how use of these names was possible. This name
>certainly was not on any of the mailing lists we used.


There's no Hugh Paulk on the USCF's mailing list.
--
Mike Nolan
chessdon

2005-07-05, 12:31 am

Mike Nolan said: "There's no Hugh Paulk on the USCF's mailing list."

That makes sense since he doesn't play chess or is part of the USCF or
any other chess organization as far as I know.

Don

politikalhack@gmail.com

2005-07-05, 12:31 am

So the name was added as a dummy as a safeguard against others'
misuse--which is how you caught it--but to what list?

Mike Nolan

2005-07-05, 12:31 am

"chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> writes:
quote:

>Mike Nolan said: "There's no Hugh Paulk on the USCF's mailing list."

quote:

>That makes sense since he doesn't play chess or is part of the USCF or
>any other chess organization as far as I know.


However, there are 5 currrent or former members named Paulk on the USCF
lists, including 3 in Florida, so the last name isn't all that unusual.
--
Mike Nolan
chessdon

2005-07-05, 12:31 am

It is my understanding Mike that the man doesn't know what a pawn is
and has never been a USCF member. My guess is that he is from NY
because that is where the question came from.

Matt Nemmers

2005-07-05, 3:37 am

Mike Nolan wrote:
quote:

> "chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> writes:
>
>
> There's no Hugh Paulk on the USCF's mailing list.
> --
> Mike Nolan


I understand there are a couple of Hugh Jasses, though.

Regards,

Matt

StanB

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


<_@_._> wrote in message news:11cfm271f33u969@corp.supernews.com...
quote:

> Mike Nolan wrote:
>
>
> With every order for labels, insert a few with fake names to addresses
> that you control. That way, if any further use of the mailing list
> happens, you have evidence for your lawsuit.


My understanding is that the list has such names but Don would know what the
names were.


StanB

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


"chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120523014.352130.75100@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:

> Beatriz recently sent out an Internet campaign mailing that included
> Hugh C Paulk on the send to list. I'm not making any accusation here
> but am curious about how this name appeared on a mailing coming from
> Beatriz - simply very strange. There also was an earlier mailing by
> Beatriz that included another name that was equally strange. I have
> been asked as to how use of these names was possible. This name
> certainly was not on any of the mailing lists we used.


Why ask me? I didn't obtain the lists for her. OTOH you did obtain lists for
your Dream Team. How did you manage to get that restricted list? What
employee broke the rules and gave you that list?


StanB

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


"Mike Nolan" <nolan@gw.tssi.com> wrote in message
news:dacks5$oc3$1@gw.tssi.com...
quote:

> "chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> writes:
>
>
> There's no Hugh Paulk on the USCF's mailing list.


Probably he was copied on a mailing that went to her. If she responded to
that mailing all the recipients would have been added to her address book.


StanB

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


"Matt Nemmers" <qcchess@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:1120536425.971335.173190@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:

> I understand there are a couple of Hugh Jasses, though.


What about Mike Hunt?


chessdon

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm

Stan Booz asks:

"How did you manage to get that restricted list?"

Anyone reading this would, if they believe Stan, think I aksed for and
received a restricted list of some nature.

But I didn't.

So why does Stan ask questions this way?

Is it to deceive?

Stan made the charge just as he did when he implied I was somehow
involved in the Natrol matter by saying "Ask Don about it!" and
following up with a joke (his characterization) that I claimed USCF
would get $50,000 from the Natrol sponsorship..

Is this also a joke this time?

I have a difficult understanding how someone can ad nauseum make
unsubstantiated allegation after allegation after allegation after
allegation moving rapidly from one to the next without ever
demonstrating any substance to any of them and yet seems to retain some
support here in rgcp.

StanB

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


"chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120569697.762401.3670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
quote:

> Stan Booz asks:
>
> "How did you manage to get that restricted list?"
>
> Anyone reading this would, if they believe Stan, think I aksed for and
> received a restricted list of some nature.
>
> But I didn't.
>
> So why does Stan ask questions this way?
>
> Is it to deceive?


Nope, it is because I don't believe you. Your excuse is too pat.
quote:

> Stan made the charge just as he did when he implied I was somehow
> involved in the Natrol matter by saying "Ask Don about it!" and
> following up with a joke (his characterization) that I claimed USCF
> would get $50,000 from the Natrol sponsorship..
>
> Is this also a joke this time?


Nope.
quote:

> I have a difficult understanding how someone can ad nauseum make
> unsubstantiated allegation after allegation after allegation after
> allegation moving rapidly from one to the next without ever
> demonstrating any substance to any of them and yet seems to retain some
> support here in rgcp.


Why pick on me? Why not go after Sam Sloan, Larry Parr, or Bill Goichberg?


chessdon

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


I asked him for proof of his allegation that I deliberately obtained a
restricetd list.

Stan's proof????

Here is the man's answer: "Nope, it is because I don't believe you.
Your excuse is too pat"

I've already explained that it would be stupid to even want to use such
a list because it would lose votes.
There is not one iota of proof other than Stan's allegation yet he
insults everyone's intelligence here by giving, as the basis of his
allegation, the answer that my answer was: "too pat." Anyone who can
believe such nonsense, has, IMO, a problem. .

Don Schultz

StanB

2005-07-05, 8:34 pm


"chessdon" <chessdon@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1120573779.716685.140540@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:

> I've already explained that it would be stupid to even want to use such
> a list because it would lose votes.


That's a lame excuse. I see no reason to assume folks that don't want to be
put on some advertiser's mailinging list would object to being sent campaign
materials.
quote:

> There is not one iota of proof other than Stan's allegation yet he
> insults everyone's intelligence here by giving, as the basis of his
> allegation, the answer that my answer was: "too pat." Anyone who can
> believe such nonsense, has, IMO, a problem. .


Then why did only you get that list? Did someone at the organization really
make a mistake and send you a different list? One that only a certain few
have access to. Sorry Don, but your record for restating your previous
positions is unsurpassed. Even in this topic you've went back and changed
your story.



Guy Macon

2005-07-06, 8:33 pm



StanB wrote:

(snip)

StanB, Please stop posting things to alt.chess,rec.games.
chess.computer that have nothing to do with computer chess.


StanB

2005-07-07, 12:31 am

Up yours Sam. Beatriz is the best thing for the USCF. It's time for
assholes like Don, Bill, Larry and you to get lost.

Sam Sloan

2005-07-07, 8:39 pm

On 6 Jul 2005 20:14:28 -0700, "StanB" <sloan@journalist.com> wrote:
quote:

>Up yours Sam. Beatriz is the best thing for the USCF. It's time for
>assholes like Don, Bill, Larry and you to get lost.
>

Now, the infamous fake poster is pretending to be Stan.

Everyone needs to read the return email addresses before assuming that
a poster is who he claims to be.

Sam Sloan
Guy Macon

2005-07-09, 8:32 pm




Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

>Everyone needs to read the return email addresses before assuming that
>a poster is who he claims to be.
>
>Sam Sloan


Why should they? Why on earth should anyone here give you the
consideration of figuring out who the fakes are when you are so
very, very, inconsiderate that you flood rec.games.chess.computer
with posts that have nothing to do with computer chess?

You can't ask other people to be nice to you when you refuse to
be nice to them, Sam. What goes around comes around.




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