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Sam Sloan

2005-06-17, 8:34 pm

Grudge match: Sloan vs. Kingston or Sloan vs. Bauer.

In all of these postings about a grudge match, I have lost track of
which march they are talking about, Sloan vs. Kingston or Sloan vs.
Bauer.

I think just about everybody realizes that Kingston is such a weak
player that he would have no chance whatever against the great me. Of
course, that is not really his fault. We have to feel sympathy for
those unfortunate people who were born with deformed or defective
brains and due to no fault of their own but perhaps the fault of their
parents they just cannot play chess. Indeed, we should admire them for
the fact that they try to make up for these deficiencies that are no
fault of their own by calling themselves masters which they dream of
becoming but can never become and by writing magazine articles
personally attacking those undeserving persons who just happen to be
possessed of greater minds than they and when, having been banned from
further publication by those chess magazines, they come here to the
public newsgroups to continue their personal attacks.

I am gratified that a few persons have offered to back this grudge
match with money, especially since they obviously realize that Taylor
Kingston would have no chance at all against me and I would probably
wipe him out. They are commendable in their willingness to give the
kid a chance. Kind of like allowing the runt to play right field in a
Little League baseball game.

What confuses the situation a bit is that some seem to be talking not
about a match between Sloan and Kingston but about a match between
Sloan and Bauer. They obviously see that Bauer is rated 2304 and I am
rated 1931, so they figure that I have no chance at all against Bauer
and so they plan to pick up some easy money.

I too figured that Bauer was a much stronger player than I and so I
rejected immediately his offer to play me a match for one thousand
dollars. However, I just did a quick survey of Bauers tournament
result and I have concluded that his published rating is inflated and
his current strength is probably not much more than 2100. My actual
strength is probably considerable greater than 1931 and so, while I
still give Bauer the edge, I feel that I would have some chance of
winning a grudge match.

Throughout much of his playing career Bauer's rating was around 2150.
Bauer has never in his life played in a major open tournament like the
World Open or the Chicago Open. Bauer did not play in the recent
$500,000 tournament in Minnesota, even though Bauer is from Minnesota
and attended the event as a spectator.

Bauer got his rating of 2304 by playing a rated match against a friend
who was an expert, which Bauer won by a lop-sided score. Bauer has not
played since. Bauer got his rating over 2200 by playing in very minor
local tournaments in Iowa, such as the Ames Chess Festival and the
Dubuque Open. Bauer NEVER DEFEATED A MASTER in any of these
tournaments. Most of Bauer's wins were against Class A and Class B
players. BAUER HAS NEVER PLAYED A PUBLISHED GAME, as least not so far
as I could find.

Bauers big result which gave him most of the present rating points was
the 1997 Midwest Amateur Team Championship, where Bauer won all his
games, scoring 5-0. However, Bauer played no masters in that
tournament even though he gained 23 rating points up to 2299. His big
win was against Larry Cohen, Chess politico and frequent poster to
this group, who was rated 1982. That was more than eight years ago and
Bauer has not played in a regular rated tournament since.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?10320372

However, Bauer has played in one quick rated tournament since: The CCC
Fourth Annual Picnic. However, he lost to a player rated 1988 and his
overall performance rating from that tournament, calculated using the
traditional system, was 1920.

Therefore, Bauer is definitely not the 2300 strength player he claims
to be. He is probably not master strength and might not even be expert
strength considering his eight year absence from competitive chess.

By contrast, although I have been relatively inactive, I have not
shied away from playing in strong events. Back in 1997 when Bauer was
still playing, my rating was 2104. The points I have lost since then
have been mostly from playing in the World Open. The World Open is a
highly competitive event. The players there have often nursed their
ratings down to an artificially open level and have come to kill,
hoping to win the $10,000 first class prize. If Bauer could play in an
event like that and hold his 2304 rating, I would fully agree that he
is a legitimate chess master. However, Bauer does not play in the
events like the World Open. Instead, he got his rating by playing in
soft events like the Ames Chess Festival and the CCC Fourth Annual
Picnic.

It is also noteworthy that Randy Bauer did not play at all during
1999-2000, which was a period of severe ratings deflation where most
established active players lost between 100 and 200 rating points. I
lost 160 points during that period. Bauer lost no points, because he
did not play.

In summary:

1. Randy Bauer has never defeated a master

2. Randy Bauer has never played a published game.

3. Randy Bauer has never played in a major open tournament.

4. Randy Bauer has obtained a 2304 rating by playing in soft
non-competitive chess events where no significant prizes are involved
and where most of his opponents are Class A or Class B.

Now, let us compare this to me, Sam Sloan:

1. Sam Sloan has defeated many masters and at least two international
masters in rated tournament games.

2. Sam Sloan has played many published chess games.

3. Sam Sloan plays almost exclusively in major open tournaments such
as the World Open.

4. Sam Sloan plays against anybody, takes on all comers, and is not
afraid of losing rating points.

Please note that in spite of the above, I do not claim to be a
stronger chess player than Randy Bauer. I must respect his high
rating, even though it was obtained by playing against soft
opponents., However, I do believe that I would have some chance to
beat him. I might not be the favorite, but I would have some chance.

Therefore, I propose a rated match against both Randy Bauer and Taylor
Kingston simultaneously for one thousand dollars.

I will play each of them a four game match. If I get four points or
more I win one thousand dollars. If I get 3 1/2 points or less, I lose
one thousand dollars.

Please note that I am taking draw odds. If I beat Taylor Kingston 4-0
(as I believe I will) I still win the match even if in the unlikely
event that I lose to Randy Bauer by 4-0.

I think that this is a fair match because both Taylor Kingston and
Randy Bauer claim to be masters but I claim to be just a Class A
player.

Therefore, they should have no hesitation about taking this bet.

What do you say?

Sam Sloan
Lee Harris

2005-06-17, 8:34 pm


"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:42b2ee3e.16461984@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:

> Grudge match: Sloan vs. Kingston or Sloan vs. Bauer.
>
> In all of these postings about a grudge match, I have lost track of
> which march they are talking about, Sloan vs. Kingston or Sloan vs.
> Bauer.
>
> I think just about everybody realizes that Kingston is such a weak
> player that he would have no chance whatever against the great me. Of
> course, that is not really his fault. We have to feel sympathy for
> those unfortunate people who were born with deformed or defective
> brains and due to no fault of their own but perhaps the fault of their
> parents they just cannot play chess.


I am pretty bad at chess but don't have the time to get too deep into it.
Mind you, I do have a Phd in semiconductor quantum dot physics (lasers), and
currently work in nuclear medicine in Leeds, UK. I think I am a pretty smart
guy. Why does the lack of chess ability make you stupid or brain deformed? I
think you are quite possibly insane. Certainly a dick of the highest order.
Why don't you naff off and play a World Championship series with Ray "the
love machine" Gordon and stop boring everyone with your twaddle.


Steve Grant

2005-06-17, 8:34 pm

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:42b2ee3e.16461984@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:

>
> What do you say?


The match I would pay good money to see is Sloan vs. Gordon. Each combatant
gets a chainsaw.


Dragon Ash

2005-06-17, 8:34 pm

Well, I believe Kingston said he wouldn't play OTB.

But I'd put up $500 of my own money to put in the pot to see a Sloan vs
Bauer OTB match. 30/90, 60 SD, have it at the Marshall, aired live on
Chess.FM.


Scott Urista





Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

>
> Therefore, they should have no hesitation about taking this bet.
>
> What do you say?
>
> Sam Sloan


Angelo DePalma

2005-06-20, 12:34 am

Sam,

During the last 10 years (mostly 1995-6) Bauer has been above 2200 for 10
events. I took a quick look and saw that many of his opponents were experts
and class A players. It's very tough to keep gaining 10-15 points in almost
every event when playing a field that's about one to two classes below you.
They're all gunning for you and you have to score 75%-90% just to break
even.

You're rated 1931. Would you have a better chance picking up 100 rating
points by playing against a bunch of 15 year olds from NY rated 1500-1600,
or against a field consisting mostly of established 2000-2100 players? My
guess is you'd prefer the latter group. Unless the 1500s were old guys.

If you're active your rating is probably accurate. Randy's true strength may
have declined due to inactivity, but he's still a solid 250 points ahead of
you. I think it's safe to say he'd score 80% against you.

adp

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:42b2ee3e.16461984@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:

> Grudge match: Sloan vs. Kingston or Sloan vs. Bauer.
>
> In all of these postings about a grudge match, I have lost track of
> which march they are talking about, Sloan vs. Kingston or Sloan vs.
> Bauer.
>
> I think just about everybody realizes that Kingston is such a weak
> player that he would have no chance whatever against the great me. Of
> course, that is not really his fault. We have to feel sympathy for
> those unfortunate people who were born with deformed or defective
> brains and due to no fault of their own but perhaps the fault of their
> parents they just cannot play chess. Indeed, we should admire them for
> the fact that they try to make up for these deficiencies that are no
> fault of their own by calling themselves masters which they dream of
> becoming but can never become and by writing magazine articles
> personally attacking those undeserving persons who just happen to be
> possessed of greater minds than they and when, having been banned from
> further publication by those chess magazines, they come here to the
> public newsgroups to continue their personal attacks.
>
> I am gratified that a few persons have offered to back this grudge
> match with money, especially since they obviously realize that Taylor
> Kingston would have no chance at all against me and I would probably
> wipe him out. They are commendable in their willingness to give the
> kid a chance. Kind of like allowing the runt to play right field in a
> Little League baseball game.
>
> What confuses the situation a bit is that some seem to be talking not
> about a match between Sloan and Kingston but about a match between
> Sloan and Bauer. They obviously see that Bauer is rated 2304 and I am
> rated 1931, so they figure that I have no chance at all against Bauer
> and so they plan to pick up some easy money.
>
> I too figured that Bauer was a much stronger player than I and so I
> rejected immediately his offer to play me a match for one thousand
> dollars. However, I just did a quick survey of Bauers tournament
> result and I have concluded that his published rating is inflated and
> his current strength is probably not much more than 2100. My actual
> strength is probably considerable greater than 1931 and so, while I
> still give Bauer the edge, I feel that I would have some chance of
> winning a grudge match.
>
> Throughout much of his playing career Bauer's rating was around 2150.
> Bauer has never in his life played in a major open tournament like the
> World Open or the Chicago Open. Bauer did not play in the recent
> $500,000 tournament in Minnesota, even though Bauer is from Minnesota
> and attended the event as a spectator.
>
> Bauer got his rating of 2304 by playing a rated match against a friend
> who was an expert, which Bauer won by a lop-sided score. Bauer has not
> played since. Bauer got his rating over 2200 by playing in very minor
> local tournaments in Iowa, such as the Ames Chess Festival and the
> Dubuque Open. Bauer NEVER DEFEATED A MASTER in any of these
> tournaments. Most of Bauer's wins were against Class A and Class B
> players. BAUER HAS NEVER PLAYED A PUBLISHED GAME, as least not so far
> as I could find.
>
> Bauers big result which gave him most of the present rating points was
> the 1997 Midwest Amateur Team Championship, where Bauer won all his
> games, scoring 5-0. However, Bauer played no masters in that
> tournament even though he gained 23 rating points up to 2299. His big
> win was against Larry Cohen, Chess politico and frequent poster to
> this group, who was rated 1982. That was more than eight years ago and
> Bauer has not played in a regular rated tournament since.
>
> http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?10320372
>
> However, Bauer has played in one quick rated tournament since: The CCC
> Fourth Annual Picnic. However, he lost to a player rated 1988 and his
> overall performance rating from that tournament, calculated using the
> traditional system, was 1920.
>
> Therefore, Bauer is definitely not the 2300 strength player he claims
> to be. He is probably not master strength and might not even be expert
> strength considering his eight year absence from competitive chess.
>
> By contrast, although I have been relatively inactive, I have not
> shied away from playing in strong events. Back in 1997 when Bauer was
> still playing, my rating was 2104. The points I have lost since then
> have been mostly from playing in the World Open. The World Open is a
> highly competitive event. The players there have often nursed their
> ratings down to an artificially open level and have come to kill,
> hoping to win the $10,000 first class prize. If Bauer could play in an
> event like that and hold his 2304 rating, I would fully agree that he
> is a legitimate chess master. However, Bauer does not play in the
> events like the World Open. Instead, he got his rating by playing in
> soft events like the Ames Chess Festival and the CCC Fourth Annual
> Picnic.
>
> It is also noteworthy that Randy Bauer did not play at all during
> 1999-2000, which was a period of severe ratings deflation where most
> established active players lost between 100 and 200 rating points. I
> lost 160 points during that period. Bauer lost no points, because he
> did not play.
>
> In summary:
>
> 1. Randy Bauer has never defeated a master
>
> 2. Randy Bauer has never played a published game.
>
> 3. Randy Bauer has never played in a major open tournament.
>
> 4. Randy Bauer has obtained a 2304 rating by playing in soft
> non-competitive chess events where no significant prizes are involved
> and where most of his opponents are Class A or Class B.
>
> Now, let us compare this to me, Sam Sloan:
>
> 1. Sam Sloan has defeated many masters and at least two international
> masters in rated tournament games.
>
> 2. Sam Sloan has played many published chess games.
>
> 3. Sam Sloan plays almost exclusively in major open tournaments such
> as the World Open.
>
> 4. Sam Sloan plays against anybody, takes on all comers, and is not
> afraid of losing rating points.
>
> Please note that in spite of the above, I do not claim to be a
> stronger chess player than Randy Bauer. I must respect his high
> rating, even though it was obtained by playing against soft
> opponents., However, I do believe that I would have some chance to
> beat him. I might not be the favorite, but I would have some chance.
>
> Therefore, I propose a rated match against both Randy Bauer and Taylor
> Kingston simultaneously for one thousand dollars.
>
> I will play each of them a four game match. If I get four points or
> more I win one thousand dollars. If I get 3 1/2 points or less, I lose
> one thousand dollars.
>
> Please note that I am taking draw odds. If I beat Taylor Kingston 4-0
> (as I believe I will) I still win the match even if in the unlikely
> event that I lose to Randy Bauer by 4-0.
>
> I think that this is a fair match because both Taylor Kingston and
> Randy Bauer claim to be masters but I claim to be just a Class A
> player.
>
> Therefore, they should have no hesitation about taking this bet.
>
> What do you say?
>
> Sam Sloan



Sam Sloan

2005-06-21, 8:33 pm

At 06:57 PM 6/20/2005 EDT, ChessMarketing@aol.com wrote:
quote:

>Randy is a good player. Sam, you have no chance against Randy. He is DEFINITELY a solid solid solid master.
>How about playing me Sam? You told me you beat me once so you should have no problem doing it again against a patzer like me. I will even give you 4 to 1 odd (For $1,000 you can win $4,000). If I win, 100% of it will go to the Susan Polgar Foundation. If

you win, you can do whatever you wish with the money. I am in NY so no need for traveling cost.
quote:

> We can play 4 games G/30 for $1,000 each game or we can play 4
>games for a total of $1,000 and my vote. Your choice


What is your point in making this challenge? I beat you a tournament
game in 1980 when you were about 13 years old. Your rating now is 2283
and you are a very active player.

Assuming that our ratings are accurate, my chances of beating you in a
four game match are statistically barely above zero.

This entire thread started when Taylor Kingston claimed to be a 2300+
Elo rasted player. Kingston made numerous insulting remarks and
personal attacks on Grandmaster Larry Evans among others.

I thereupon challenged Taylor Kingston to a chess match for one
thousand dollars cash money. Since Taylor Kingston claims to be nearly
400 points stronger than me, he should have no hesitation in accepting
this offer.

Of course, Taylor Kingston was lying. He has never been close to a
2300 player. The highest his rating has ever been was 1853. A player
at that level would have no chance against me.

However, rather than admit that he is a liar, Taylor Kingston claimed
that he was too busy and such a wealthy man of the highest ilk that
one thousand dollars was too small an amount to interest him.

Then, Bauer barged in and challenged me to a match for one thousand
dollars which I immediately declined in view of his 2304 rating.

However, I later examined his tournament record and realized that he
was probably not really a 2304 player. His email address is
randybauer2300@yahoo.com . This shows that he is very proud of his
2300 rating and advertises it.

However, in his entire career as a chess player, Bauer never had a
rating over 2300 untril he played a match against a friend which gave
him 5 more points to raise his rating from 2299 to 2304. That was in
1997 and Bauer has never played a regularly rated game since then.

Bauer did play in one quick rated tournament. He lost to a player
rated 1988. Under the traditional system, Bauer would have lost 30
points in this game. However, under the new Glickman System Bauer only
lost 10 points. I feel that this is a flaw in the Glickman System
which needs to be examined.

I have never claimed that I can beat Bauer. I merely state that I feel
that his current strength would be about 2150 if he played. I base
this on the fact that Bauer was rated around 2170 back in 1994 when he
was active, he got his rating up by playing only in carefully selected
weak events against carefully selected opponents, he has not played in
eight years and the rating system has deflated by more than 100 points
since then.

When Bauer got his 2304 rating, my rating was 2107. I have played and
my rating has dropped. Bauer has not played. I believe that his actual
strength is only about 200 points more than mine, which is much less
than the rating system suggests.

Nevertheless, even if Bauer is only a 2150 player as I claim, he is
still strong enough to beat me easily. I have not challenged Bauer to
a match for money.

Next came Brock, who is rated only slightly higher than me. Brock has
offered me draw odds and I believe that I can beat him, although I am
by no means guaranteeing victory.

However, kindly recall that this all started with my challenge to play
Taylor Kingston a match after Kingston repeatedly insisted that he is
a 2300+ player. Everybody, including Bauer and Brock, realized that
Kingston is lying and that he would have no chance, zero, none
whatever against the great me. Kingston is not a chess player at all
and never will be. Kingston gets his jollies by personally attacking
grandmasters like Larry Evans, Raymond Keene and Bobby Fischer. He
feels that he elevates himself to their level by attacking them.
However, everybody else realizes that Kingston is merely a bafoon with
no chess playing ability at all.

Sam Sloan
Angelo DePalma

2005-06-21, 8:33 pm

My rating is 1896 and I think I have a great chance against you. I hereby
challenge you to a 20-game match at 5/0 for a prize fund of bragging rights
on RGCP. When can you get to Hackettstown? Ken likes babies, btw.

adp

"Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote
quote:

> Of course, Taylor Kingston was lying. He has never been close to a
> 2300 player. The highest his rating has ever been was 1853. A player
> at that level would have no chance against me.



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