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USCF Ballot Scandal
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| Sam Sloan 2005-06-09, 8:34 pm |
| USCF Ballot Scandal
Although I received a ballot for the USCF election in my June Chess
Life, several other members are reporting that their Chess Life did
not include a ballot.
A quick survey of USCF members around the country show that
approximately 20% of all USCF members did not receive a ballot.
This must be corrected and, more importantly, we need to know why this
has occurred. For example, New York can be expected to vote for
Goichberg but Northern California will likely vote for Shaughnessy.
Has the Marinello administration short-changed the New York voters? We
need to know now.
Sam Sloan
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| RSHaas@aol.com 2005-06-10, 12:31 am |
| Sam, I think the 20% who did not get a ballot were the 20% that would
have voted for you.
Old Haasie
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| rchewning1@yahoo.com 2005-06-10, 12:31 am |
| Sam,
You spamming choad, get a life. Better yet, since I know that is an
impossibility for you, move somewhere where they don't have internet
service and where ugly oriental 12 year old virgins are plentiful.
Sounds like your kind of place.
Russ
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| Sam Sloan 2005-06-10, 8:37 pm |
| From: Bill Hall <bhall@uschess.org>
Subject: Ballot Issue
Dear Candidates,
I wanted to pass along an update to let you know the status of the
ballot issue. After additional reports and consultation with the
lawyer, Don, Glenn, and I seem to be in agreement that the best
solution is to reprint and mail new ballots to all voting members.
These should be out by Wednesday (target date). All properly printed
ballots from the first run will be accepted, however handwritten and
blank ballots will be disqualified.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me.
Thanks and good luck to all,
Bill
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Bill Hall
Executive Director
P.O. Box 3967
Crossville, TN 38557-3967
Phone: (931) 787-1234
Fax: (931) 787-1200
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| "Sam Sloan" <the best solution is to reprint and mail new ballots to all
voting members. These should be out by Wednesday (target date). All properly
printed ballots from the first run will be accepted, however handwritten and
blank ballots will be disqualified.
quote:
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Who cares? Marinello is hand-picking the winners anyway.
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| Sam Sloan 2005-06-13, 12:32 am |
| At 08:42 AM 6/13/2005 +0800, Fidelis wrote:
quote:
>Gentlemen,
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> There are actually very few approaches indeed. I would urge Pete
>Tamburro and others involved in the ballot counting to resign to keep their
>good names if the election is not both above board and SEEN to be above
>board. Anything less creates another intolerable precedent on the Marinello
>watch.
> The criteria: 1. No individual is to be given two votes; 2.
>First ballot has priority, if the information is filled out correctly; 3.
>If not, then the second ballot has priority, if information if filled out
>correctly; 4. Ballots are disqualified altogether if rules are violated in
>terms of providing information; 5. There must be a clear distinction
>between the sets of ballots sent out to determine whether people are voting
>twice.
> If these criteria are not met, then those participating in the
>election are involved in a corrupt process.
>
>Yours, Larry Parr
You have overlooked something very important.
There are reports of scholastic players with no magazine memberships
receiving ballots in the mail.
If true, this is very, very important, because four of the candidates
are scholastic oreganizers and such a situation would guarantee their
election.
It is now of utmost importance that we find out why some adults did
not get ballots whereas some children did get ballots.
Sam Sloan
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| David 2005-06-13, 12:32 am |
| "Sam Sloan" <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote in message
news:42acdf0e.54496562@ca.news.verio.net...
quote:
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> You have overlooked something very important.
Here comes a classic chain of "logic."
quote:
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> There are reports of scholastic players with no magazine memberships
> receiving ballots in the mail.
The author report that someone has said something is happening (could be
truth, fabrication, or hearsay).
quote:
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> If true, this is very, very important, because four of the candidates
> are scholastic oreganizers and such a situation would guarantee their
> election.
If that is happening then it is a bad thing.
quote:
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> It is now of utmost importance that we find out why some adults did
> not get ballots whereas some children did get ballots.
>
Now, watch the pea in the cups...here's the switch. No longer is it merely
an unproven report, but has taken on the quality of a verified fact. The
call to action is not to determine if the report is true, nor is it to
correct the error, if such an error exists. Rather, the call to action is
to determine WHY it happened, with all of the implication that this is an
intentional misdeed, rather than an unverified report of an error.
quote:
> Sam Sloan
Of course.
David
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CaissaWas__SPAMHater__INTP@adelphia__ANTIV__.net without the block
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| Trundle 2005-06-13, 3:31 am |
| "David" <No longer is it merely an unproven report, but has taken on the
quality of a verified fact. The call to action is not to determine if the
report is true, nor is it to correct the error, if such an error exists.
Rather, the call to action is to determine WHY it happened, with all of the
implication that this is an intentional misdeed, rather than an unverified
report of an error.
quote:
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Hey pal, apparently Bill Goiter is not opposing Sam this year, so it may be
his last chance to get on the Board and then do a Marinello-like coup and
take over.
It's now or never. So don't confuse Sam with the facts, he has it under
control.
Remember. Vote for Sam, he's our man, if he can't get in, then nobody can!
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| Mike Nolan 2005-06-13, 8:33 pm |
| Paul Rubin <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> writes:
quote:
>2) Each ballot cast gets checked for coming from a voting member (say
> by looking up a signature and membership number on the envelope)
> before being counted.
We do not have member signatures on file to check them.
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Mike Nolan
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| Mike Nolan 2005-06-13, 8:33 pm |
| sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) writes:
quote:
>There are reports of scholastic players with no magazine memberships
>receiving ballots in the mail.
I know of no such reports.
Economy scholastic members do not get a magazine so they would
not have been on the files supplied to Quebecor at all, and this
appears to have been a production problem.
At this point, I know of exactly ONE case of a full scholastic member
receiving an (unimprinted) ballot in his magazine. I do suspect that
was the final straw in the decision to sent out a full set of replacement
ballots.
quote:
>It is now of utmost importance that we find out why some adults did
>not get ballots whereas some children did get ballots.
What seems likely is that Quebecor's sortation process co-mingled the ballot
and no-ballot files somehow. It is less important at the moment to know
why that happened than to determine how best to deal with it. However,
we do need to review the entire balloting process before the next election
including how to ensure that our printer handles them properly, if we
are to continue the magazine method of distributing ballots.
Thus, I think it is more important RIGHT NOW to make sure that the
replacement ballots ordered last week go to all voting members and ONLY
to voting members and to devise proper screening procedures for the
ballots from Chess Life, if they are to be counted at all.
--
Mike Nolan
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| Paul Rubin 2005-06-13, 8:33 pm |
| nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) writes:
quote:
> ...
> Thus, I think it is more important RIGHT NOW to make sure that the
> replacement ballots ordered last week go to all voting members and ONLY
> to voting members and to devise proper screening procedures for the
> ballots from Chess Life, if they are to be counted at all.
What's the big deal about some people getting ballots when they're
not entitled to vote? It's not like ballots are secret or unforgeable.
Anyone who gets one can make as many more as they want with a xerox
machine, right? So what's important is that two things happen:
1) Everyone entitled to vote gets a ballot
2) Each ballot cast gets checked for coming from a voting member (say
by looking up a signature and membership number on the envelope)
before being counted.
It doesn't matter if extra ballots get circulated to non-voters. In
fact the ballot itself should be on the uscf web site.
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| If you have problems with the ballots or the distribution, please contact
the person in charge of the election. Mr. Don Schultz.
"Paul Rubin" <http://phr.cx@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message
news:7xfyvmgprd.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com...
quote:
> nolan@gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan) writes:
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> What's the big deal about some people getting ballots when they're
> not entitled to vote? It's not like ballots are secret or unforgeable.
> Anyone who gets one can make as many more as they want with a xerox
> machine, right? So what's important is that two things happen:
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> 1) Everyone entitled to vote gets a ballot
> 2) Each ballot cast gets checked for coming from a voting member (say
> by looking up a signature and membership number on the envelope)
> before being counted.
>
> It doesn't matter if extra ballots get circulated to non-voters. In
> fact the ballot itself should be on the uscf web site.
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