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| RSHaas@aol.com 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| It has been known for many years that galaxies are moving away from
each other at ever increasing speed. Some cosmologists speculated that
dark energy was causing all this. Now, as I have read it, the
cosmologists very recently got some good evidence that dark matter
really exists. I'm not sure if dark matter also means that dark energy
also exists, but if it does I wonder about the following:
If entire galaxies are being pushed along at ever increasing speed
at some point they will approach the speed of light. According to
Einstein their mass will approach infinity as they approach the light
speed. What does that mean for earth? Will we be crowded out of
existence by infinitely large balls of rock or just what? What would
be the roll of gravity with regard to infinitely large objects? Will
the universe end in this fashion? Dummm da dum dum.
I don't have a technical education so I have to pose these questions
to people from outside the deep South which is largely populated by
religi-bumpkins who never ever bring any factual information to a
science question.
Old Haasie, a really stupid guy.
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| RSHaas@aol.com napisal(a):
quote:
> It has been known for many years that galaxies are moving away from
> each other at ever increasing speed.
Let them move away, who cares Haasie ?
quote:
> I don't have a technical education so I have to pose these questions
> to people from outside the deep South which is largely populated by
> religi-bumpkins who never ever bring any factual information to a
> science question.
Look at the numbers : the number of atoms in the Universe according to
the scientists is about 10^79.
The number of possible chessgames is above 10^100 so it`s time to talk
about neither the end of the Universe nor the end of chess, not to
mention chess politics where we will yet see a lot of politicos biting
each other.
BTW the number of atoms in observable Universe is lower than given
above. So what happened to the rest of the matter ? In other words who
stole it ? :-)
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| Chess One 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| Merry Christmas!
No one else is up yet, so...
<RSHaas@aol.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> It has been known for many years that galaxies are moving away from
> each other at ever increasing speed. Some cosmologists speculated that
> dark energy was causing all this. Now, as I have read it, the
> cosmologists very recently got some good evidence that dark matter
> really exists. I'm not sure if dark matter also means that dark energy
> also exists, but if it does I wonder about the following:
> If entire galaxies are being pushed along at ever increasing speed
> at some point they will approach the speed of light. According to
> Einstein their mass will approach infinity as they approach the light
> speed.
Unless of course the Whole Shebang is pulsing, and in a gazillion years
these galaxies will run out of out-pulse, stall, teeter, and come all the
way back for another gazillion years, then repulse each other again, or,
cleverly miss each other [see 'English' below] and continue in the other
direction for another gazillion... or until chess is solved.
This is well explained in the Bible by the parable of the lost sheep.
quote:
> What does that mean for earth? Will we be crowded out of
> existence by infinitely large balls of rock or just what? What would
> be the roll of gravity with regard to infinitely large objects? Will
> the universe end in this fashion? Dummm da dum dum.
This is why its better to castle early! It is thought that gravity acts
equally on all objects, regardless of size, and an experiment was done in
Italy, when Leonardo di Caprio dropped a pizza and an Oscar statue from a
tower-block, and they both landed on someone at the same time. The only
other complicating factors are;-
a) if the large mass itself has a gravitational field, and if this would
cause the large rock to swerve, which astrophysicists call; having
'English'.
b) the large rock is superaccelerated to light speed, and contacts another
similar 'blitz-rock', when we would witness galactic fabry-perot effect, and
they would pass through each other, if bent, as ani photon no.
quote:
> I don't have a technical education so I have to pose these questions
> to people from outside the deep South which is largely populated by
> religi-bumpkins who never ever bring any factual information to a
> science question.
OTOH, maybe space is curved, like a giant moebius strip, and the galaxies
will continue in quasi-linear fashion till they come back on the other side?
Maybe people in the South can tell you all what's on the other side of the
donut? Or even if there is another side? Much depends on this answer for the
future of the universe!
quote:
> Old Haasie, a really stupid guy.
Young Phil, dangerously smart, and loudmouthed too!
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| Chess One 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
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"Jerzy" <jciruk@poczta.fm> wrote in message
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> RSHaas@aol.com napisal(a):
quote:
> Look at the numbers : the number of atoms in the Universe according to
> the scientists is about 10^79.
> The number of possible chessgames is above 10^100 so it`s time to talk
> about neither the end of the Universe nor the end of chess, not to
> mention chess politics where we will yet see a lot of politicos biting
> each other.
Mega-bytes?
quote:
> BTW the number of atoms in observable Universe is lower than given
> above. So what happened to the rest of the matter ? In other words who
> stole it ? :-)
My chess friend really worries about that - according to Einstein's Special
Theorem there should be a lot more mass, but as you said, who cares where it
is hiding? What we have to do is look after the bit we're on, and
simultaneously solve the Hromadka variation.
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| Kenneth Sloan 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| RSHaas@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> It has been known for many years that galaxies are moving away from
> each other at ever increasing speed. Some cosmologists speculated that
> dark energy was causing all this. Now, as I have read it, the
> cosmologists very recently got some good evidence that dark matter
> really exists. I'm not sure if dark matter also means that dark energy
> also exists, but if it does I wonder about the following:
> If entire galaxies are being pushed along at ever increasing speed
> at some point they will approach the speed of light. According to
> Einstein their mass will approach infinity as they approach the light
> speed. What does that mean for earth? Will we be crowded out of
> existence by infinitely large balls of rock or just what? What would
> be the roll of gravity with regard to infinitely large objects? Will
> the universe end in this fashion? Dummm da dum dum.
> I don't have a technical education so I have to pose these questions
> to people from outside the deep South which is largely populated by
> religi-bumpkins who never ever bring any factual information to a
> science question.
>
> Old Haasie, a really stupid guy.
>
Not to worry - the Sun will go nova and crisp the Earth long before
expansion/contraction/steady state becomes an issue.
BTW - "dark matter" is science's last best hope that the Universe will
STOP expanding and start to contract again.
As for the speed of the Earth - it is, of course, fixed in space at the
center of the Universe. Everything else is speeding AWAY from Earth, in
all directions - but Earth itself is perfectly stationary. So, you
don't have to worry about approaching the speed of light, and you don't
have to worry about being crowded out until everything else in the
Universe turns around and starts falling back to Earth. (to see how
this works, toss a ball straight up in the air and then watch it carefully.
In the meantime, why don't you organize a chess tournament? I
understand that chess tournament locations are speeding away from each
other at nearly the speed of Blitz.
--
Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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> Mega-bytes?
Yes, I`m afraid so ;-)
quote:
> My chess friend really worries about that - according to Einstein's
> Special Theorem there should be a lot more mass, but as you said, who
> cares where it is hiding? What we have to do is look after the bit we're
> on, and simultaneously solve the Hromadka variation.
So scientists should make a new theory or make their observations better.
I`ve read lately that nowadays they are searching black holes intensely ;-)
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| Kenneth Sloan 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| Chess One wrote:
quote:
> ...
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> Young Phil, dangerously smart, and loudmouthed too!
>
>
1 out of 4 - your usual battering average.
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Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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| RSHaas@aol.com 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
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Kenneth Sloan wrote:
quote:
> In the meantime, why don't you organize a chess tournament? I
> understand that chess tournament locations are speeding away from each
> other at nearly the speed of Blitz.
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I should organize a chess tournament, eh? Risk my own money, eh?
Probably lose a good portion of it, eh? Almost no upside for a lot of
downside. This is a job for Sarasota - Bradenton Metro District
umbrella organization which would hold enough money from its share of
the national dues to front such a tournament without any one person
taking all the risk... ie the Mensa Model for chess.
But we don't have a Mensa Model for chess in place, so there will be
no chess tournament in Sarasota - Bradenton.
Old Haasie
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| Mark Houlsby 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
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RSHaas@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> Kenneth Sloan wrote:
> =======
> I should organize a chess tournament, eh? Risk my own money, eh?
> Probably lose a good portion of it, eh? Almost no upside for a lot of
> downside. This is a job for Sarasota - Bradenton Metro District
> umbrella organization which would hold enough money from its share of
> the national dues to front such a tournament without any one person
> taking all the risk... ie the Mensa Model for chess.
> But we don't have a Mensa Model for chess in place, so there will be
> no chess tournament in Sarasota - Bradenton.
>
A "Mensa Model"? What the heck is that anyways? Tell us more....
Merry Christmas
Middle-aged Houlsby
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> Old Haasie
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| Duncan Oxley 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| ZING!
"Kenneth Sloan" <KennethRSloan@gmail.com> wrote
quote:
> Chess One wrote:
>
> 1 out of 4 - your usual battering average.
>
>
> --
> Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
> Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
> university of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
> Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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| RSHaas@aol.com 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
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Mark Houlsby wrote:
quote:
> A "Mensa Model"? What the heck is that anyways? Tell us more....
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Since the late 1980's I have championed the Mensa Model, as it would
be adapted for chess, as the ideal organizational form for a chess
federation.
The real Mensa (USA) has established local chapters each with a
defined territory. Here In Florida, for example, there are twelve
local chapters. Each chapter receives a share of Mensa's national
dues. This allows each local chapter to finance and carry out local
projects, etc.
This dues sharing, more or less at the metro level, is what I think
a national chess federation should do. Mensa's 98th percentile IQ
requirement for membership would not be imported to the chess model.
The money should be about $10 per adult and $5 per youth all
accumulated into a single "Metro District" umbrella account to finance
chess events .. including fronting money for tournaments as well as
other chess projects. The metro scale is selected because it is the
basic market level for organized chess. In some areas the state scale
would have to be utilized, but metro is the choice in most cases.
Places like Miami - Ft. Lauderdale, Detroit, Houston might get $4000
to $5000 annually to run chess tournaments, etc. The beauty is that no
one person would have to take all the risk of running tournaments. It
is the concentrated risk that has driven away so many chess promoters.
In fact, few made much money even in better times. They ran chess out
of a sense of duty or a sense of mission. In reality, most of these
types have been defacto mission bearers of what really has been
unofficial not-for-profit enterprises. The Mensa Model simply makes it
officially not-for-profit. With a Mensa model approach for chess we
could revive dead areas, sustain activity in the active areas and
expand their chess related offerings.
After pushing this idea for about 15 years, I remain its only
advocate. No one else seems interested.
Old Haasie
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| Kenneth Sloan 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| RSHaas@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> Kenneth Sloan wrote:
> =======
> I should organize a chess tournament, eh? Risk my own money, eh?
> Probably lose a good portion of it, eh?
Only if you are an incompetent organizer.
quote:
> Almost no upside for a lot of
> downside. This is a job for Sarasota - Bradenton Metro District
> umbrella organization which would hold enough money from its share of
> the national dues to front such a tournament without any one person
> taking all the risk... ie the Mensa Model for chess.
You mean that the national organization should risk *its* money because
the local (and, from your own testimony, incompetent and likely to go
broke) organizers won't risk their own?
Sounds like a bad idea, to me.
quote:
> But we don't have a Mensa Model for chess in place, so there will be
> no chess tournament in Sarasota - Bradenton.
Too bad.
Have you considered organizing a Poker tournament, instead?
quote:
>
> Old Haasie
>
--
Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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| Kenneth Sloan 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| RSHaas@aol.com wrote:
quote:
> Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> ========================
> Since the late 1980's I have championed the Mensa Model, as it would
> be adapted for chess, as the ideal organizational form for a chess
> federation.
Insanity - repeating the same actions, over and over again, expecting
different results.
quote:
> The real Mensa (USA) has established local chapters each with a
> defined territory. Here In Florida, for example, there are twelve
> local chapters. Each chapter receives a share of Mensa's national
> dues. This allows each local chapter to finance and carry out local
> projects, etc.
> This dues sharing, more or less at the metro level, is what I think
> a national chess federation should do. Mensa's 98th percentile IQ
> requirement for membership would not be imported to the chess model.
> The money should be about $10 per adult and $5 per youth all
> accumulated into a single "Metro District" umbrella account to finance
> chess events .. including fronting money for tournaments as well as
> other chess projects. The metro scale is selected because it is the
> basic market level for organized chess. In some areas the state scale
> would have to be utilized, but metro is the choice in most cases.
> Places like Miami - Ft. Lauderdale, Detroit, Houston might get $4000
> to $5000 annually to run chess tournaments, etc. The beauty is that no
> one person would have to take all the risk of running tournaments. It
> is the concentrated risk that has driven away so many chess promoters.
> In fact, few made much money even in better times. They ran chess out
> of a sense of duty or a sense of mission. In reality, most of these
> types have been defacto mission bearers of what really has been
> unofficial not-for-profit enterprises. The Mensa Model simply makes it
> officially not-for-profit. With a Mensa model approach for chess we
> could revive dead areas, sustain activity in the active areas and
> expand their chess related offerings.
> After pushing this idea for about 15 years, I remain its only
> advocate. No one else seems interested.
Perhaps the idea needs a better advocate?
quote:
>
> Old Haasie
>
--
Kenneth Sloan KennethRSloan@gmail.com
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/
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| Mark Houlsby 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
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Kenneth Sloan wrote:
quote:
> RSHaas@aol.com wrote:
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> Insanity - repeating the same actions, over and over again, expecting
> different results.
>
>
> Perhaps the idea needs a better advocate?
>
Or perhaps the other way around...
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| David Kane 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
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<RSHaas@aol.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> Mark Houlsby wrote:
>
> ========================
> Since the late 1980's I have championed the Mensa Model, as it would
> be adapted for chess, as the ideal organizational form for a chess
> federation.
> The real Mensa (USA) has established local chapters each with a
> defined territory. Here In Florida, for example, there are twelve
> local chapters. Each chapter receives a share of Mensa's national
> dues. This allows each local chapter to finance and carry out local
> projects, etc.
> This dues sharing, more or less at the metro level, is what I think
> a national chess federation should do. Mensa's 98th percentile IQ
> requirement for membership would not be imported to the chess model.
> The money should be about $10 per adult and $5 per youth all
> accumulated into a single "Metro District" umbrella account to finance
> chess events .. including fronting money for tournaments as well as
> other chess projects. The metro scale is selected because it is the
> basic market level for organized chess. In some areas the state scale
> would have to be utilized, but metro is the choice in most cases.
> Places like Miami - Ft. Lauderdale, Detroit, Houston might get $4000
> to $5000 annually to run chess tournaments, etc. The beauty is that no
> one person would have to take all the risk of running tournaments. It
> is the concentrated risk that has driven away so many chess promoters.
> In fact, few made much money even in better times. They ran chess out
> of a sense of duty or a sense of mission. In reality, most of these
> types have been defacto mission bearers of what really has been
> unofficial not-for-profit enterprises. The Mensa Model simply makes it
> officially not-for-profit. With a Mensa model approach for chess we
> could revive dead areas, sustain activity in the active areas and
> expand their chess related offerings.
> After pushing this idea for about 15 years, I remain its only
> advocate. No one else seems interested.
>
> Old Haasie
>
Hassie's Mensa scheme has some positives even though
on the whole it's badly flawed.
The biggest plus is that it contains a recognition that
there is something wrong with the current approach.
Mike Nolan may have convinced himself that doing
something the wrong way next year because it was
done the wrong way last year is "practical". Really,
though, it's just good old-fashioned lack of imagination
and laziness.
Another positive of the metro concept is that is based
on a correct understanding that benefits to local
chessplayers do not come from paper shuffling
in Tennessee, but from monies spent locally.
But the flaw in the Mensa model is just as huge.
In what universe would getting money to local
providers start with a first step of sending money
to a distant and out-of-touch HQ? It makes about
as much sense as sending money to the UN when
you're hungry and hoping they'll deliver a pizza to
you.
The USCF organizes a few "national" tournaments
per year. Most are "national" in name only because
they really do not draw national-like quantity (per capita
attendance is much smaller than local tournaments) nor
the nation's best players. While there is nothing wrong
with having them (obviously some people enjoy them
and they may be meaningful competition for a few at
the very top) it should signal to Hassie that increased
USCF involvement is not going to have a positive
effect.
It is no coincidence that the most active segment
of chess (scholastic) is that least connected to the
USCF. Certainly it booms in many areas without
Hassie's proposed $5 Metro subsidy. In my area,
we have one to three non-USCF scholastic tournaments
(~100-350) per week and part of their very appeal
is that players are not saddled with unnecessary
costs like memberships and rating fees. More of
the chess pie stays local, focussed on the recreational
activity of *chessplaying*. It is not siphoned off to
preserve some twisted conception of chess culture,
to provide lifetime pseudo-government employment
for writers who've been out of the game for decades,
nor other fortes of the USCF.
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| Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\ 2007-01-30, 8:22 pm |
| >> In the meantime, why don't you organize a chess tournament? I
quote:
> =======
> I should organize a chess tournament, eh? Risk my own money, eh?
> Probably lose a good portion of it, eh? Almost no upside for a lot of
> downside. This is a job for Sarasota - Bradenton Metro District
> umbrella organization which would hold enough money from its share of
> the national dues to front such a tournament without any one person
> taking all the risk...
The problem with this COMMUNIST approach to chess is that it's not going to
make chess any more popular, because if this "seed money' were all that were
needed, it would pay for a private organizer to do exactly the same thing,
unless he wants to admit that the subsidies would have to be permanent.
The internet offers chess to anyone, anywhere now. There's no need for
subsidies. Further, where is all this money going to come from if USCF is
losing money as it is?
--
Ray Gordon, Author
The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon Blog:
http://moderncaveman.typepad.com
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