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Innes vs Brennen - match conditions
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| The Historian 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
| I will play Mr. Innes ONLY under these conditions:
1. The match must be held in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, in the downtown
area, near the White Collection, but not in the White Collection or any
Cleveland Public Library building.
2. Games will be played only after 6:00 PM or whenever the White
Collection closes.
3. Mr. Innes will not disturb Mr. Brennen or any of his seconds during
their work in the White Collection.
4. Games will not be played the nights the Cleveland Orchestra is
playing. The match sponsors will pay for Mr. Brennen's seat at
Severance Hall.
5. Match sponsors will pay for all of Mr. Brennen's travel, meals,
research, and hotel expenses during his stay in Cleveland, as well as
those of his seconds.
6. Mr. Brennen's seconds will consist of Dr. John Hilbert and Mr.
Jeremy Spinrad.
7. Mr. Innes shall give Mr. Brennen odds of the Rook, as Mr. Innes
stated in his newsgroup posts.
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| samsloan 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
| The Historian wrote:
quote:
> I will play Mr. Innes ONLY under these conditions:
>
> 1. The match must be held in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, in the downtown
> area, near the White Collection, but not in the White Collection or any
> Cleveland Public Library building.
>
> 2. Games will be played only after 6:00 PM or whenever the White
> Collection closes.
>
> 3. Mr. Innes will not disturb Mr. Brennen or any of his seconds during
> their work in the White Collection.
>
> 4. Games will not be played the nights the Cleveland Orchestra is
> playing. The match sponsors will pay for Mr. Brennen's seat at
> Severance Hall.
>
> 5. Match sponsors will pay for all of Mr. Brennen's travel, meals,
> research, and hotel expenses during his stay in Cleveland, as well as
> those of his seconds.
>
> 6. Mr. Brennen's seconds will consist of Dr. John Hilbert and Mr.
> Jeremy Spinrad.
>
> 7. Mr. Innes shall give Mr. Brennen odds of the Rook, as Mr. Innes
> stated in his newsgroup posts.
Do you really expect anybody to pay you, a 1500 player, anything to
play chess?
Nobody paid me to play against Bill Brock. I was paid because I won.
Sam Sloan
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| Larry Tapper 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
| Neil Brennan writes:
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I will play Mr. Innes ONLY under these conditions:
1. The match must be held in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, in the downtown
area, near the White Collection, but not in the White Collection or any
Cleveland Public Library building.
2. Games will be played only after 6:00 PM or whenever the White
Collection closes.
3. Mr. Innes will not disturb Mr. Brennen or any of his seconds during
their work in the White Collection.
4. Games will not be played the nights the Cleveland Orchestra is
playing. The match sponsors will pay for Mr. Brennen's seat at
Severance Hall.
5. Match sponsors will pay for all of Mr. Brennen's travel, meals,
research, and hotel expenses during his stay in Cleveland, as well as
those of his seconds.
6. Mr. Brennen's seconds will consist of Dr. John Hilbert and Mr.
Jeremy Spinrad.
7. Mr. Innes shall give Mr. Brennen odds of the Rook, as Mr. Innes
stated in his newsgroup posts.
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Well, my terms are easy:
1. I am willing to play a match with Mr. Innes in his home state of
Vermont some time during the summer. Montpelier would be the most
convenient site.
2. Having neither much time to spare nor inclination to spend much of
it in the company of my opponent, I would prefer a one-day event with
some time control such as G/60.
3. Though as Mr. Bauer has revealed, I am an over-the-hill NM, I do not
claim ever to have been "nearly an IM", as does Mr. Innes. Nevertheless
I do not ask for odds.
4. Win or lose, I promise to submit annotated games to rgcp, at least
one of which I will attempt to write in the distinctively unhinged
literary style of my opponent, the rebarbative crypto-Gallic
petit-fogger Mr. Innes.
Larry Tapper
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| Chess One 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
| Brennan is such a nutter that he denies I am a strong player but demands
odds as if he were playing a GM <grin>
This guy is a serious stalker - and treacherous distorter of all information
he encounters - I do not /want/ to tell him more personal information,
especially on any personal history in chess, since he will compulsively lie
about it.
If he can't attach himself to you to gain entry, he will lie about you.
Phil Innes
"The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145621344.111939.114070@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
quote:
>I will play Mr. Innes ONLY under these conditions:
>
> 1. The match must be held in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, in the downtown
> area, near the White Collection, but not in the White Collection or any
> Cleveland Public Library building.
>
> 2. Games will be played only after 6:00 PM or whenever the White
> Collection closes.
>
> 3. Mr. Innes will not disturb Mr. Brennen or any of his seconds during
> their work in the White Collection.
>
> 4. Games will not be played the nights the Cleveland Orchestra is
> playing. The match sponsors will pay for Mr. Brennen's seat at
> Severance Hall.
>
> 5. Match sponsors will pay for all of Mr. Brennen's travel, meals,
> research, and hotel expenses during his stay in Cleveland, as well as
> those of his seconds.
>
> 6. Mr. Brennen's seconds will consist of Dr. John Hilbert and Mr.
> Jeremy Spinrad.
>
> 7. Mr. Innes shall give Mr. Brennen odds of the Rook, as Mr. Innes
> stated in his newsgroup posts.
>
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| Chess One 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
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"Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145625716.559606.239600@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Well, my terms are easy:
>
> 1. I am willing to play a match with Mr. Innes in his home state of
> Vermont some time during the summer. Montpelier would be the most
> convenient site.
>
> 2. Having neither much time to spare nor inclination to spend much of
> it in the company of my opponent, I would prefer a one-day event with
> some time control such as G/60.
>
> 3. Though as Mr. Bauer has revealed, I am an over-the-hill NM, I do not
> claim ever to have been "nearly an IM", as does Mr. Innes. Nevertheless
> I do not ask for odds.
Maybe I'll just come to New York and then we can have an encounter? I won't
ask for odds nor quarter! But I rather doubt you will like the engagement,
since you will not be able to mouth off like a newsnet wanker - I have this
effect on people when meeting in person. Its actually normal human behavior
for most people.
So I will consider almost-a-man Tapper's comments, and act accordingly.
quote:
> 4. Win or lose, I promise to submit annotated games to rgcp, at least
> one of which I will attempt to write in the distinctively unhinged
> literary style of my opponent, the rebarbative crypto-Gallic
> petit-fogger Mr. Innes.
I won't need to speak at all. I won't even need a chess set.
Phil Innes
quote:
> Larry Tapper
>
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| Taylor Kingston 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
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Chess One wrote:
quote:
> "Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145625716.559606.239600@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Maybe I'll just come to New York and then we can have an encounter? I won't
> ask for odds nor quarter! But I rather doubt you will like the engagement,
> since you will not be able to mouth off like a newsnet wanker - I have this
> effect on people when meeting in person. Its actually normal human behavior
> for most people.
>
> So I will consider almost-a-man Tapper's comments, and act accordingly.
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I won't need to speak at all. I won't even need a chess set.
Is Phil proposing to give Tapper the odds of playing sans voir?
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| Larry Tapper 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
| Taylor K> Is Phil proposing to give Tapper the odds of playing sans
voir?
Sans voir? That some kind of French trick? That foie-de-lis varmint can
show up with infrared goggles for all I care. He accused me of
pootering ornature and I ain't a-takin that lyin down.
LT
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Chess One wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Brennan is such a nutter that he denies I am a strong player but demands
> odds as if he were playing a GM <grin>
>
> This guy is a serious stalker - and treacherous distorter of all information
> he encounters - I do not /want/ to tell him more personal information,
> especially on any personal history in chess, since he will compulsively lie
> about it.
>
> If he can't attach himself to you to gain entry, he will lie about you.
>
> Phil Innes
>
> "The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145621344.111939.114070@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I feel left out. I'll play anyone anytime in or Near Nashville or in
E-mail or internet chess on any free server. I will even give odss that
I will lose. :-) But it will be a great fun time!
Rob
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| Chess One 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
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"Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145629937.090616.236410@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Taylor K> Is Phil proposing to give Tapper the odds of playing sans
> voir?
>
> Sans voir? That some kind of French trick? That foie-de-lis varmint can
> show up with infrared goggles for all I care. He accused me of
> pootering ornature and I ain't a-takin that lyin down.
Sounds to me like you want a real fight. Where I come from you'd get sat
down hard for mouthing as you have - definite fighting talk. Actually, it is
here too. Your invitation is noted.
As for actual chess engagements, seems like almost-a-man feels I have
something to prove and he doesn't <g>
Phil Innes
quote:
> LT
>
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| Larry Tapper 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
| LT> Sans voir? That some kind of French trick? That foie-de-lis varmint
can
quote:
> show up with infrared goggles for all I care. He accused me of
> pootering ornature and I ain't a-takin that lyin down.
PI> Sounds to me like you want a real fight. Where I come from you'd
get sat
down hard for mouthing as you have - definite fighting talk. Actually,
it is
here too. Your invitation is noted.
PI> As for actual chess engagements, seems like almost-a-man feels I
have
something to prove and he doesn't <g>
Phil Innes
You got that right, pilgrim. So what do you say? Would you accept a
challenge in principle for a match to be played in either New York or
Montpelier this summer?
If yes, Slothrop please take note --- the situation here is a rusty
over-the-hill NM versus a soi-disant used-to-be-nearly-an-IM, which
would seem to be a reasonable match-up, at least from the point of view
of those who don't know any better.
Larry T.
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| Taylor Kingston 2006-08-02, 10:36 pm |
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Larry Tapper wrote:
quote:
> LT> Sans voir? That some kind of French trick? That foie-de-lis varmint
> can
>
>
> PI> Sounds to me like you want a real fight. Where I come from you'd
> get sat
> down hard for mouthing as you have - definite fighting talk. Actually,
> it is
> here too. Your invitation is noted.
>
> PI> As for actual chess engagements, seems like almost-a-man feels I
> have
> something to prove and he doesn't <g>
>
>
> Phil Innes
>
> You got that right, pilgrim. So what do you say? Would you accept a
> challenge in principle for a match to be played in either New York or
> Montpelier this summer?
>
> If yes, Slothrop please take note --- the situation here is a rusty
> over-the-hill NM versus a soi-disant used-to-be-nearly-an-IM, which
> would seem to be a reasonable match-up, at least from the point of view
> of those who don't know any better.
>
> Larry T.
If the match in fact comes off, and is held somewhere in Vermont
reasonably close to the Burlington area (which Montpelier is), I will
be happy to volunteer my services in some capacity, if the two
principals are agreeable.
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| Chess One 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
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"Larry Tapper" <larry_tapper@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145635224.881189.3380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> LT> Sans voir? That some kind of French trick? That foie-de-lis varmint
> can
>
>
> PI> Sounds to me like you want a real fight. Where I come from you'd
> get sat
> down hard for mouthing as you have - definite fighting talk. Actually,
> it is
> here too. Your invitation is noted.
>
> PI> As for actual chess engagements, seems like almost-a-man feels I
> have
> something to prove and he doesn't <g>
>
>
> Phil Innes
>
> You got that right, pilgrim. So what do you say? Would you accept a
> challenge in principle for a match to be played in either New York or
> Montpelier this summer?
I'm not quite sure you are catching my drift Larry. But maybe I will have
some filming action in the city soon, and will give you a call. Phil
quote:
> If yes, Slothrop please take note --- the situation here is a rusty
> over-the-hill NM versus a soi-disant used-to-be-nearly-an-IM, which
> would seem to be a reasonable match-up, at least from the point of view
> of those who don't know any better.
>
> Larry T.
>
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| Larry Tapper 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
| > PI> As for actual chess engagements, seems like almost-a-man feels I
quote:
> have something to prove and he doesn't <g>
quote:
> Phil Innes
LT> You got that right, pilgrim. So what do you say? Would you accept a
quote:
> challenge in principle for a match to be played in either New York or
> Montpelier this summer?
PI> I'm not quite sure you are catching my drift Larry. But maybe I
will have
some filming action in the city soon, and will give you a call. Phil
Phil,
I am not sure why you want to call me when you are filming in New York,
because I live in North Carolina, as noted recently by that scurrilous
moth-eaten antiquarian Jeremy Spinrad.
But now it looks like you are ducking a possible match. Is that so?
Larry T.
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| Louis Blair 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
| Awhile back, there was talk of an Ange1o
DePa1ma - Sam Sloan Damiano's Defense
match. Did anything ever come of that?
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| The Historian 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
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samsloan wrote:
quote:
> The Historian wrote:
>
> Do you really expect anybody to pay you, a 1500 player, anything to
> play chess?
No, I don't. I only ask the match sponsors to cover costs, research and
otherwise. The games will be my gift to rgcp.
quote:
> Nobody paid me to play against Bill Brock. I was paid because I won.
If I find a sucker, err, sponsor who agrees to my terms, then I'VE won!
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| The Historian 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
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Chess One wrote:
quote:
> Brennan is such a nutter that he denies I am a strong player but demands
> odds as if he were playing a GM <grin>
I am merely taking you up on your offer:
"Hey! I can give him a rook!" - Phil Innes, August 10, 2002.
Snip Innes screaming "stalker" and other words he doesn't know the
meaning of.
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| The Historian 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
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The Historian wrote:
quote:
> I will play Mr. Innes ONLY under these conditions:
>
> 1. The match must be held in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, in the downtown
> area, near the White Collection, but not in the White Collection or any
> Cleveland Public Library building.
>
> 2. Games will be played only after 6:00 PM or whenever the White
> Collection closes.
>
> 3. Mr. Innes will not disturb Mr. Brennen or any of his seconds during
> their work in the White Collection.
>
> 4. Games will not be played the nights the Cleveland Orchestra is
> playing. The match sponsors will pay for Mr. Brennen's seat at
> Severance Hall.
>
> 5. Match sponsors will pay for all of Mr. Brennen's travel, meals,
> research, and hotel expenses during his stay in Cleveland, as well as
> those of his seconds.
>
> 6. Mr. Brennen's seconds will consist of Dr. John Hilbert and Mr.
> Jeremy Spinrad.
>
> 7. Mr. Innes shall give Mr. Brennen odds of the Rook, as Mr. Innes
> stated in his newsgroup posts.
Some (ie, less than 130) additional items:
8. Mr. Brennen's second Dr. Hilbert will be excused from his duties as
second while there is a college football game on TV.
9. Dr. Hilbert will be excused from reading anything Mr. Innes has
written, in any language, human or otherwise.
10 Win or lose, Mr. Brennen's share of the purse will be donated to the
Simon Wiesenthal Center
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.a...nN8LzH&b=242023
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| Ray Gordon 2006-08-02, 10:37 pm |
| >I will play Mr. Innes ONLY under these conditions:
<snip>
Thank you Robert James Fischer.
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