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Sam Sloan

2006-03-13, 7:35 pm

Peter Manetti has died

Chess Master Peter Manetti died in Guerneville, Sonoma County,
California on March 8, 2006 of prostate cancer. He succumbed after a
long illness. Two years ago he was given six months to live. He
outlived his prognosis.

Manetti rarely played tournament chess but he played in the first
great master's tournament at Lone Pine 1972. His performance there,
where he drew grandmasters Denker and Evans, established him as a
master strength player. He had a USCF rating of 2158. His specialty
was blitz chess, where he was a master and a 2300 player. He often
held chess parties at his house high on a hill above the Russian River
in Guerneville, to which he would invite San Francisco masters and
experts and provide them with food and drink.

Manetti was about 66 years old. Originally from New Jersey, he served
in the US Marines. He came to California in about 1965. After living
for several years in Oakland, he moved to the remote village of
Guerneville, where he made his living as an agriculturist, growing and
distributing agricultural products to the local communities. Manetti
also worked as an artist, selling his woodcuttings, paintings and
other works of art in San Francisco. He also taught chess to several
promising young players in the Santa Rosa area.

Late in life, Manetti revealed that his real original name was not
Manetti. It was Schumbacher or something similar. In the aftermath of
World War II there had been discrimination against Germans, so either
he or his father had changed his name from a German name to an Italian
name.

He is survived by his devoted wife, Genarosa Manetti, who has made a
name for herself as a philanthropist, for her free donations of feline
animals, and by his three daughters, Diana, age 41, a performing
artist, Barbara, 36, of Guerneville and Xhana, of Windsor, California.

Sam Sloan


[Event "op"]
[Site "Lone Pine"]
[Date "1972.??.??"]
[White "Manetti, Pete"]
[Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A94"]

1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3 d5 5.Bg2 c6 6.O-O Bd6 7.b3 O-O
8.Ba3 Bxa3 9.Nxa3 Nbd7 10.Qc1 Qe7 11.Ne5 Qd6 12.Qb2 g5 13.e3 a5
14.Rac1 Qe7 15.Nc2 Qg7 16.Ne1 Kh8 17.N1d3 g4 18.Nf4 Nxe5 19.dxe5
Ne4 20.Bxe4 fxe4 21.Nh5 Qg6 22.Nf6 Kg7 23.Qa3 Rxf6 24.exf6+ Qxf6
25.Qd6 Qf8 26.Qxf8+ Kxf8 27.Kg2 Bd7 28.h3 gxh3+ 29.Kxh3 Be8 30.f3
exf3 31.Rxf3+ Ke7 32.Rcf1 Bg6 33.g4 a4 34.cxd5 axb3 35.axb3 exd5
36.R3f2 Kd6 37.Kg3 Ra3 38.Rb2 Kc5 39.Rf4 Be4 40.Rf7 Ra7 41.g5 Kb4
42.Kf4 Kc3 43.Rh2 Kxb3 44.Rhxh7 Bxh7 45.Rxh7 Ra1 46.Rxb7+ Kc4
47.g6 Rg1 48.g7 c5 1/2-1/2


Taylor Kingston

2006-03-13, 7:35 pm

That is sad news. I knew Peter slightly during the time I lived in
Sonoma County (1980-88). He used to play blitz each week with a small
group that met in Occidental, as I recall in a deli operated by a man
with the interesting name of Moses Moon. Peter had long hair and a
beard, and very much fit in with the area's hippie-style culture. I saw
a few of his woodwork projects -- quite impressive.
As I recall, he spelled his name Minetti, but I could be wrong on
that.

Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

> Peter Manetti has died
>
> Chess Master Peter Manetti died in Guerneville, Sonoma County,
> California on March 8, 2006 of prostate cancer. He succumbed after a
> long illness. Two years ago he was given six months to live. He
> outlived his prognosis.
>
> Manetti rarely played tournament chess but he played in the first
> great master's tournament at Lone Pine 1972. His performance there,
> where he drew grandmasters Denker and Evans, established him as a
> master strength player. He had a USCF rating of 2158. His specialty
> was blitz chess, where he was a master and a 2300 player. He often
> held chess parties at his house high on a hill above the Russian River
> in Guerneville, to which he would invite San Francisco masters and
> experts and provide them with food and drink.
>
> Manetti was about 66 years old. Originally from New Jersey, he served
> in the US Marines. He came to California in about 1965. After living
> for several years in Oakland, he moved to the remote village of
> Guerneville, where he made his living as an agriculturist, growing and
> distributing agricultural products to the local communities. Manetti
> also worked as an artist, selling his woodcuttings, paintings and
> other works of art in San Francisco. He also taught chess to several
> promising young players in the Santa Rosa area.
>
> Late in life, Manetti revealed that his real original name was not
> Manetti. It was Schumbacher or something similar. In the aftermath of
> World War II there had been discrimination against Germans, so either
> he or his father had changed his name from a German name to an Italian
> name.
>
> He is survived by his devoted wife, Genarosa Manetti, who has made a
> name for herself as a philanthropist, for her free donations of feline
> animals, and by his three daughters, Diana, age 41, a performing
> artist, Barbara, 36, of Guerneville and Xhana, of Windsor, California.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
>
> [Event "op"]
> [Site "Lone Pine"]
> [Date "1972.??.??"]
> [White "Manetti, Pete"]
> [Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> [ECO "A94"]
>
> 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3 d5 5.Bg2 c6 6.O-O Bd6 7.b3 O-O
> 8.Ba3 Bxa3 9.Nxa3 Nbd7 10.Qc1 Qe7 11.Ne5 Qd6 12.Qb2 g5 13.e3 a5
> 14.Rac1 Qe7 15.Nc2 Qg7 16.Ne1 Kh8 17.N1d3 g4 18.Nf4 Nxe5 19.dxe5
> Ne4 20.Bxe4 fxe4 21.Nh5 Qg6 22.Nf6 Kg7 23.Qa3 Rxf6 24.exf6+ Qxf6
> 25.Qd6 Qf8 26.Qxf8+ Kxf8 27.Kg2 Bd7 28.h3 gxh3+ 29.Kxh3 Be8 30.f3
> exf3 31.Rxf3+ Ke7 32.Rcf1 Bg6 33.g4 a4 34.cxd5 axb3 35.axb3 exd5
> 36.R3f2 Kd6 37.Kg3 Ra3 38.Rb2 Kc5 39.Rf4 Be4 40.Rf7 Ra7 41.g5 Kb4
> 42.Kf4 Kc3 43.Rh2 Kxb3 44.Rhxh7 Bxh7 45.Rxh7 Ra1 46.Rxb7+ Kc4
> 47.g6 Rg1 48.g7 c5 1/2-1/2


J.D. Baldwin

2006-03-13, 7:35 pm


In the previous article, Sam Sloan <sloan@ishipress.com> wrote:
quote:

> Peter Manetti has died


Please post a source for this story. I'd like to check it.
--
_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone disagrees with any statement I make, I
_|70|___=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / baldwin@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer
***~~~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sam Sloan

2006-03-13, 7:35 pm

I have no source. It's my words against yours.

Sam Sloan

debdav1@comcast.net

2006-03-13, 7:35 pm

In the aftermath of
World War II there had been discrimination against Germans, so either
he or his father had changed his name from a German name to an Italian
name.

But the Italians were our enemy in WW 2, also!

robertchamp2002@yahoo.com

2006-03-13, 11:32 pm


Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

> I have no source. It's my words against yours.
>
> Sam Sloan


J. D.'s just making a pun.

jacers

2006-03-14, 7:34 pm

Mr. Sloan thank you so very much for this terrific summary, albeit
tragic news..Mr. Manetti was a prince.This is the real Sloan- operating
at his best. .... Jude Acers
Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

> Peter Manetti has died
>
> Chess Master Peter Manetti died in Guerneville, Sonoma County,
> California on March 8, 2006 of prostate cancer. He succumbed after a
> long illness. Two years ago he was given six months to live. He
> outlived his prognosis.
>
> Manetti rarely played tournament chess but he played in the first
> great master's tournament at Lone Pine 1972. His performance there,
> where he drew grandmasters Denker and Evans, established him as a
> master strength player. He had a USCF rating of 2158. His specialty
> was blitz chess, where he was a master and a 2300 player. He often
> held chess parties at his house high on a hill above the Russian River
> in Guerneville, to which he would invite San Francisco masters and
> experts and provide them with food and drink.
>
> Manetti was about 66 years old. Originally from New Jersey, he served
> in the US Marines. He came to California in about 1965. After living
> for several years in Oakland, he moved to the remote village of
> Guerneville, where he made his living as an agriculturist, growing and
> distributing agricultural products to the local communities. Manetti
> also worked as an artist, selling his woodcuttings, paintings and
> other works of art in San Francisco. He also taught chess to several
> promising young players in the Santa Rosa area.
>
> Late in life, Manetti revealed that his real original name was not
> Manetti. It was Schumbacher or something similar. In the aftermath of
> World War II there had been discrimination against Germans, so either
> he or his father had changed his name from a German name to an Italian
> name.
>
> He is survived by his devoted wife, Genarosa Manetti, who has made a
> name for herself as a philanthropist, for her free donations of feline
> animals, and by his three daughters, Diana, age 41, a performing
> artist, Barbara, 36, of Guerneville and Xhana, of Windsor, California.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
>
> [Event "op"]
> [Site "Lone Pine"]
> [Date "1972.??.??"]
> [White "Manetti, Pete"]
> [Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> [ECO "A94"]
>
> 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3 d5 5.Bg2 c6 6.O-O Bd6 7.b3 O-O
> 8.Ba3 Bxa3 9.Nxa3 Nbd7 10.Qc1 Qe7 11.Ne5 Qd6 12.Qb2 g5 13.e3 a5
> 14.Rac1 Qe7 15.Nc2 Qg7 16.Ne1 Kh8 17.N1d3 g4 18.Nf4 Nxe5 19.dxe5
> Ne4 20.Bxe4 fxe4 21.Nh5 Qg6 22.Nf6 Kg7 23.Qa3 Rxf6 24.exf6+ Qxf6
> 25.Qd6 Qf8 26.Qxf8+ Kxf8 27.Kg2 Bd7 28.h3 gxh3+ 29.Kxh3 Be8 30.f3
> exf3 31.Rxf3+ Ke7 32.Rcf1 Bg6 33.g4 a4 34.cxd5 axb3 35.axb3 exd5
> 36.R3f2 Kd6 37.Kg3 Ra3 38.Rb2 Kc5 39.Rf4 Be4 40.Rf7 Ra7 41.g5 Kb4
> 42.Kf4 Kc3 43.Rh2 Kxb3 44.Rhxh7 Bxh7 45.Rxh7 Ra1 46.Rxb7+ Kc4
> 47.g6 Rg1 48.g7 c5 1/2-1/2


parrthenon@cs.com

2006-03-15, 5:31 am

A QUICK CORRECTION

<Mr. Sloan thank you so very much for this terrific summary...> -- Jude
Acers.

Welcome to this forum, Jude.

Black was Roy Ervin (not GM Evans) In this game cited by Sam
Sloan.

[Event "op"]
[Site "Lone Pine"]
[Date "1972.??.??"]
[White "Manetti, Pete"]
[Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A94"]

Sam Sloan

2006-03-15, 11:32 pm

I have finally been able to reach a family member and I have some
corrections in my obituary of Peter Manetti.

Peter Manetti died at 2:47 AM on Friday, March 10, 2006 (not on March
8 as I originally reported). He died in a home for assisted living in
Sebastapol, California, not in his own home in Guerneville. He has
been cremated. He was born in 1939 not in 1940 in Germany not in New
Jersey and his original name was Schilling not Schumbacher. His mother
changed his name from the German name of Schilling to the Italian name
of Manetti after they arrived in America.

One person contested my statement that Manetti lived high on a hill.
This person said that Manetti lived next to the river. I have found
out that both statements are true. He lived high on a hill which was
next to the river. This is important because the Russian River often
floods but Manetti's house was high enough that the flood waters never
reached there..

There has been a big debate on a private e-mail group as to whether
Manetti was an expert or a master. Peter always said that he was a
master but his rating was generally expert. Consensus seems to be that
he nosed above 2200 just before Long Pine 1972 which had a minimum
rating of 2200 as a requirement.

Grandmaster Larry Evans reported that he could not remember playing
the game against Manetti which was found in the databases.
Unfortunately and rather surprisingly, nobody has been able to find a
cross table of the great Masters Tournament in Lone Pine 1972, so this
question has not been resolved conclusively. John Donaldson is
researching this subject and now believes that Manetti played that
game against Roy Ervin, not against Grandmaster Evans. Incidentally,
Roy Ervin is most famous for having been reported dead and then
showing up to play in the Roy Ervin Memorial Tournament. Let us hope
that Peter Manetti does the same thing.

Sam Sloan

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:28:55 GMT, sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan)
wrote:
quote:

>Peter Manetti has died
>
>Chess Master Peter Manetti died in Guerneville, Sonoma County,
>California on March 8, 2006 of prostate cancer. He succumbed after a
>long illness. Two years ago he was given six months to live. He
>outlived his prognosis.
>
>Manetti rarely played tournament chess but he played in the first
>great master's tournament at Lone Pine 1972. His performance there,
>where he drew grandmasters Denker and Evans, established him as a
>master strength player. He had a USCF rating of 2158. His specialty
>was blitz chess, where he was a master and a 2300 player. He often
>held chess parties at his house high on a hill above the Russian River
>in Guerneville, to which he would invite San Francisco masters and
>experts and provide them with food and drink.
>
>Manetti was about 66 years old. Originally from New Jersey, he served
>in the US Marines. He came to California in about 1965. After living
>for several years in Oakland, he moved to the remote village of
>Guerneville, where he made his living as an agriculturist, growing and
>distributing agricultural products to the local communities. Manetti
>also worked as an artist, selling his woodcuttings, paintings and
>other works of art in San Francisco. He also taught chess to several
>promising young players in the Santa Rosa area.
>
>Late in life, Manetti revealed that his real original name was not
>Manetti. It was Schumbacher or something similar. In the aftermath of
>World War II there had been discrimination against Germans, so either
>he or his father had changed his name from a German name to an Italian
>name.
>
>He is survived by his devoted wife, Genarosa Manetti, who has made a
>name for herself as a philanthropist, for her free donations of feline
>animals, and by his three daughters, Diana, age 41, a performing
>artist, Barbara, 36, of Guerneville and Xhana, of Windsor, California.
>
>Sam Sloan
>
>
>[Event "op"]
>[Site "Lone Pine"]
>[Date "1972.??.??"]
>[White "Manetti, Pete"]
>[Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ECO "A94"]
>
>1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3 d5 5.Bg2 c6 6.O-O Bd6 7.b3 O-O
>8.Ba3 Bxa3 9.Nxa3 Nbd7 10.Qc1 Qe7 11.Ne5 Qd6 12.Qb2 g5 13.e3 a5
>14.Rac1 Qe7 15.Nc2 Qg7 16.Ne1 Kh8 17.N1d3 g4 18.Nf4 Nxe5 19.dxe5
>Ne4 20.Bxe4 fxe4 21.Nh5 Qg6 22.Nf6 Kg7 23.Qa3 Rxf6 24.exf6+ Qxf6
>25.Qd6 Qf8 26.Qxf8+ Kxf8 27.Kg2 Bd7 28.h3 gxh3+ 29.Kxh3 Be8 30.f3
>exf3 31.Rxf3+ Ke7 32.Rcf1 Bg6 33.g4 a4 34.cxd5 axb3 35.axb3 exd5
>36.R3f2 Kd6 37.Kg3 Ra3 38.Rb2 Kc5 39.Rf4 Be4 40.Rf7 Ra7 41.g5 Kb4
>42.Kf4 Kc3 43.Rh2 Kxb3 44.Rhxh7 Bxh7 45.Rxh7 Ra1 46.Rxb7+ Kc4
>47.g6 Rg1 48.g7 c5 1/2-1/2
>
>


Taylor Kingston

2006-03-16, 7:33 pm


Sam Sloan wrote:
quote:

> I have finally been able to reach a family member and I have some
> corrections in my obituary of Peter Manetti.
>
> Peter Manetti died at 2:47 AM on Friday, March 10, 2006 (not on March
> 8 as I originally reported). He died in a home for assisted living in
> Sebastapol, California, not in his own home in Guerneville. He has
> been cremated. He was born in 1939 not in 1940 in Germany not in New
> Jersey and his original name was Schilling not Schumbacher. His mother
> changed his name from the German name of Schilling to the Italian name
> of Manetti after they arrived in America.
>
> One person contested my statement that Manetti lived high on a hill.
> This person said that Manetti lived next to the river. I have found
> out that both statements are true. He lived high on a hill which was
> next to the river. This is important because the Russian River often
> floods but Manetti's house was high enough that the flood waters never
> reached there..
>
> There has been a big debate on a private e-mail group as to whether
> Manetti was an expert or a master. Peter always said that he was a
> master but his rating was generally expert. Consensus seems to be that
> he nosed above 2200 just before Long Pine 1972 which had a minimum
> rating of 2200 as a requirement.


The twelve monthly issues of the 1972 Chess Life & Review show
several rating lists, some full, some partial. Just flipping through
quickly, I find these ratings for Manetti:

Jan 1972: 2150
Jun 1972: 2143
Sep 1972: 2183
Dec 1972: 2183

The 1972 Lone Pine Open was held March 12-18. It looks unlikely that
Manetti was 2200+ at that time. Either he had some unusual activity in
early 1972, or the TD did not strictly enforce the 2200 minimum.
quote:

> Grandmaster Larry Evans reported that he could not remember playing
> the game against Manetti which was found in the databases.
> Unfortunately and rather surprisingly, nobody has been able to find a
> cross table of the great Masters Tournament in Lone Pine 1972, so this
> question has not been resolved conclusively.


A report on Lone Pine 1972, by Isaac Kashdan, is on pages 334-335 of
the June CL&R. Oddly, it has no crosstable, nor any full list of the
players and/or standings. It mentions that Gligoric won, and that
20-year-old Kim Commons made a strong impression. It also mentions that
Larry Evans' wife suffered a traffic accident the day of the last
round, wrecking her car but escaping "with only a few bruises."
Using ChessBase, I was able to create a crosstable, but I'm not sure
how valid it is, if the database does not contain all the games. It
will not be very legible here, but I append it below for what it's
worth. It shows Manetti scoring +0 -2 =3D4. With a full-point bye in
round 2 giving him a final score of 3 out of 7, he finished =3D22-28th
out of 35. His results, round by round, per ChessBase:

1. draw with Cleghorn
2. BYE
3. loss to Karlkins
4. draw with Costa
5. draw with Denker
6. loss to Berry
7. draw with Evans
quote:

> John Donaldson is
> researching this subject and now believes that Manetti played that
> game against Roy Ervin, not against Grandmaster Evans. Incidentally,
> Roy Ervin is most famous for having been reported dead and then
> showing up to play in the Roy Ervin Memorial Tournament. Let us hope
> that Peter Manetti does the same thing.


There was also a Roy Ervin playing, so Parr and Donaldson may be
correct that Manetti played him, and not Evans. Databases often have
this kind of mistake.

Lone Pine op 1972

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
1 Gligoric,Svetozar +1 -=BD +1 +1 -=BD -1 +1 6.0/7
6 14 24 17 2 3 7
2 Tarjan,James Edward +1 -=BD +1 -1 +=BD -=BD +=BD 5.0/7
7 20 22 16 1 8 3
3 Saidy,Anthony Fred +1 -1 +=BD -1 +1 +0 -=BD 5.0/7
30 33 10 14 8 1 2
4 Karklins,Andrew +1 -0 +1 -=BD +1 -=BD +1 5.0/7
21 18 25 7 16 9 6
5 Brandts,Paul +=BD -0 +=BD -1 -1 +1 +1 5.0/7
9 15 23 34 22 20 14
6 Commons,Kim S -0 +1 +=BD -1 -1 +1 -0 4.5/7
1 19 28 15 17 10 4
7 Fritzinger,Dennis -0 +1 -1 +=BD +1 -1 -0 4.5/7
2 32 13 4 14 18 1
8 Brasket,Curt Justin +=BD -1 +1 -1 -0 +=BD +=BD 4.5/7
16 28 15 18 3 2 9
9 Martz,William E -=BD +=BD -1 +1 -=BD +=BD -=BD 4.5/7
5 12 30 33 10 4 8
10 Martinovsky,Eugene -=BD +1 -=BD +1 +=BD -0 +1 4.5/7
29 23 3 12 9 6 15
11 Cleghorn,Peter +=BD -0 +0 -1 +1 -1 +1 4.5/7
25 22 29 31 23 21 19
12 Christiansen,Larry Mark +=BD -=BD +1 -0 +0 -1 -1 4.0/7
15 9 34 10 19 32 26
13 Denker,Arnold Sheldon 2285 +=BD +1 +0 -0 -=BD -1 -1 4.0/7
22 34 7 19 25 23 16
14 Binet,Laszlo T -1 +=BD -1 +0 -0 +1 -0 3.5/7
19 1 20 3 7 27 5
15 Browne,Walter S 2500 -=BD +1 -0 +0 -1 +1 -0 3.5/7
12 5 8 6 29 24 10
16 Berry,David A -=BD +1 -1 +0 -0 -1 +0 3.5/7
8 27 26 2 4 25 13
17 Bisguier,Arthur Bernard 2440 -1 +1 +=BD -0 +0 -=BD +=BD 3.5/7
27 26 18 1 6 19 20
18 Evans,Larry Melvyn 2550 -1 +1 -=BD +0 -=BD +0 -=BD 3.5/7
31 4 17 8 20 7 25
19 Hay,Trevor +0 -0 -1 +1 -1 +=BD -0 3.5/7
14 6 31 13 12 17 11
20 Waterman,Deniss L -1 +=BD +0 -1 +=BD -0 -=BD 3.5/7
34 2 14 29 18 5 17
21 Ervin,Roy C -0 +1 +0 -1 -1 +0 -=BD 3.5/7
4 31 33 30 36 11 27
22 Stoutenborough,Ross -=BD +1 -0 -=BD +0 +0 +1 3.0/7
13 11 2 24 5 26 32
23 Pollowitz,Michael +=BD -0 -=BD +1 -0 +0 +1 3.0/7
24 10 5 26 11 13 31
24 Loftsson,Julius H -=BD +1 -0 +=BD -=BD -0 +=BD 3.0/7
23 29 1 22 27 15 28
25 Manetti,Pete -=BD +1 -0 -=BD +=BD +0 +=BD 3.0/7
11 36 4 32 13 16 18
26 Gilden,Lawrence C +1 -0 +0 -0 +1 -1 +0 3.0/7
32 17 16 23 28 22 12
27 Ramirez,Hermogen +0 -0 +1 -1 +=BD -0 +=BD 3.0/7
17 16 35 28 24 14 21
28 Weber,Joseph V -1 +0 -=BD +0 -0 +1 -=BD 3.0/7
36 8 6 27 26 30 24
29 Koploy,Paul +=BD -0 -1 +0 +0 -0 +1 2.5/7
10 24 11 20 15 31 34
30 Savage,Allan G -0 +1 +0 +0 -=BD -0 +1 2.5/7
3 35 9 21 32 28 36
31 Goichberg,William +0 -0 +0 +0 -1 +1 -0 2.0/7
18 21 19 11 34 29 23
32 Flacco,Rick -0 -0 -1 +=BD +=BD +0 -0 2.0/7
26 7 36 25 30 12 22
33 Berner,George -1 +0 -1 -0 2.0/4
35 3 21 9
34 Costa,M +0 -0 -0 +0 +0 +1 -0 1.0/7
20 13 12 5 31 36 29
35 Davidson,C +0 -0 -0 +1 1.0/4
33 30 27 36
36 BYE +0 -0 +0 -0 +0 -0 -0 0.0/7
28 25 32 35 21 34 30

Taylor Kingston

2006-03-16, 7:33 pm


Looking a bit more carefully in the CL&R article, I see it reports
that because of his wife's accident, Evans did not even play the last
round at Lone Pine 1972. Therefore Manetti could not have played him,
contrary to what CB records.

Taylor Kingston wrote:
quote:

> Sam Sloan wrote:
>
> The twelve monthly issues of the 1972 Chess Life & Review show
> several rating lists, some full, some partial. Just flipping through
> quickly, I find these ratings for Manetti:
>
> Jan 1972: 2150
> Jun 1972: 2143
> Sep 1972: 2183
> Dec 1972: 2183
>
> The 1972 Lone Pine Open was held March 12-18. It looks unlikely that
> Manetti was 2200+ at that time. Either he had some unusual activity in
> early 1972, or the TD did not strictly enforce the 2200 minimum.
>
>
> A report on Lone Pine 1972, by Isaac Kashdan, is on pages 334-335 of
> the June CL&R. Oddly, it has no crosstable, nor any full list of the
> players and/or standings. It mentions that Gligoric won, and that
> 20-year-old Kim Commons made a strong impression. It also mentions that
> Larry Evans' wife suffered a traffic accident the day of the last
> round, wrecking her car but escaping "with only a few bruises."
> Using ChessBase, I was able to create a crosstable, but I'm not sure
> how valid it is, if the database does not contain all the games. It
> will not be very legible here, but I append it below for what it's
> worth. It shows Manetti scoring +0 -2 =3D4. With a full-point bye in
> round 2 giving him a final score of 3 out of 7, he finished =3D22-28th
> out of 35. His results, round by round, per ChessBase:
>
> 1. draw with Cleghorn
> 2. BYE
> 3. loss to Karlkins
> 4. draw with Costa
> 5. draw with Denker
> 6. loss to Berry
> 7. draw with Evans
>
>
> There was also a Roy Ervin playing, so Parr and Donaldson may be
> correct that Manetti played him, and not Evans. Databases often have
> this kind of mistake.
>
> Lone Pine op 1972
>
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> 6 14 24 17 2 3 7
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> 3 Saidy,Anthony Fred +1 -1 +=BD -1 +1 +0 -=BD 5.0/7
> 30 33 10 14 8 1 2
> 4 Karklins,Andrew +1 -0 +1 -=BD +1 -=BD +1 5.0/7
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> 9 15 23 34 22 20 14
> 6 Commons,Kim S -0 +1 +=BD -1 -1 +1 -0 4.5/7
> 1 19 28 15 17 10 4
> 7 Fritzinger,Dennis -0 +1 -1 +=BD +1 -1 -0 4.5/7
> 2 32 13 4 14 18 1
> 8 Brasket,Curt Justin +=BD -1 +1 -1 -0 +=BD +=BD 4.5/7
> 16 28 15 18 3 2 9
> 9 Martz,William E -=BD +=BD -1 +1 -=BD +=BD -=BD 4.5/7
> 5 12 30 33 10 4 8
> 10 Martinovsky,Eugene -=BD +1 -=BD +1 +=BD -0 +1 4.5/7
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> 11 Cleghorn,Peter +=BD -0 +0 -1 +1 -1 +1 4.5/7
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> 12 Christiansen,Larry Mark +=BD -=BD +1 -0 +0 -1 -1 4.0/7
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> 14 Binet,Laszlo T -1 +=BD -1 +0 -0 +1 -0 3.5/7
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> 15 Browne,Walter S 2500 -=BD +1 -0 +0 -1 +1 -0 3.5/7
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> 16 Berry,David A -=BD +1 -1 +0 -0 -1 +0 3.5/7
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> 17 Bisguier,Arthur Bernard 2440 -1 +1 +=BD -0 +0 -=BD +=BD 3.5/7
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> 33 Berner,George -1 +0 -1 -0 2.0/4
> 35 3 21 9
> 34 Costa,M +0 -0 -0 +0 +0 +1 -0 1.0/7
> 20 13 12 5 31 36 29
> 35 Davidson,C +0 -0 -0 +1 1.0/4
> 33 30 27 36
> 36 BYE +0 -0 +0 -0 +0 -0 -0 0.0/7
> 28 25 32 35 21 34 30


Sam Sloan

2006-03-16, 7:33 pm

Thank you.

Sam Sloan

Hymie Kravsner

2006-03-16, 11:31 pm

"Taylor Kingston" < Looking a bit more carefully in the CL&R article, I see
it reports
that because of his wife's accident, Evans did not even play the last round
at Lone Pine 1972. Therefore Manetti could not have played him, contrary to
what CB records.>

Maybe he had played before the accident, or came back and played later. If
the wife did not suffer injuries, it is possible he did play the game though
maybe not when everyone else was playing.


Taylor Kingston

2006-03-17, 7:32 pm


Hymie Kravsner wrote:
quote:

> "Taylor Kingston" < Looking a bit more carefully in the CL&R article, I see
> it reports
> that because of his wife's accident, Evans did not even play the last round
> at Lone Pine 1972. Therefore Manetti could not have played him, contrary to
> what CB records.>
>
> Maybe he had played before the accident, or came back and played later. If
> the wife did not suffer injuries, it is possible he did play the game though
> maybe not when everyone else was playing.


No such thing is reported by Kashdan, who was the tournament
director. I would think the TD knew who played whom, had records to
prove it. Also it is reported that Evans played only 6 games, scoring
3-3, instead of the full scheduled 7.
BTW, concerning eligibility for the tournament, an advertisement on
page 71 of the January CL&R says that in addition to "rated masters,
senior masters and grandmasters," it would be open to "all rated
experts who will be under 21 on March 1, 1972." That still would not
explain how Peter Manetti qualified -- he was about age 30 then, and
not rated 2200+ as far as I can see from the CL&R rating reports.

Hymie Kravsner

2006-03-17, 7:32 pm

Is Kashdan still alive to verify what happened? Or Roy Ervin?


Taylor Kingston

2006-03-17, 7:32 pm


Hymie Kravsner wrote:
quote:

> Is Kashdan still alive to verify what happened? Or Roy Ervin?


Ervin, I do not know, though it seems likely since he was born in
1951. Kashdan died in 1985, but we have what he wrote in 1972, and I
see no reason to dispute it, especially since he was the director of
the tournament. If you want to ask a living person about it, I would
suggest contacting GM Evans at chesstours.com.

Hymie Kravsner

2006-03-18, 2:31 am

"Taylor Kingston" <If you want to ask a living person about it, I would
quote:

> suggest contacting GM Evans at chesstours.com.
>


I am not disputing anything, however sometimes the story that was written at
the time may have left out a couple of details due to any number of innocent
reasons.

If anyone else could verify one account or the other, it might make the
highlight of Manetti's career either better or worse but at least it would
be somewhat verified.


Randy Bauer

2006-03-18, 7:32 pm

Another example of Sloan's legendary inability to research and report. I
guess I also missed one of his legendary retractions and apologies for the
screw up. No doubt, some chess database will now list this as an Evans
game.

Randy Bauer


<parrthenon@cs.com> wrote in message
news:1142413557.397049.164980@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
quote:

>A QUICK CORRECTION
>
> <Mr. Sloan thank you so very much for this terrific summary...> -- Jude
> Acers.
>
> Welcome to this forum, Jude.
>
> Black was Roy Ervin (not GM Evans) In this game cited by Sam
> Sloan.
>
> [Event "op"]
> [Site "Lone Pine"]
> [Date "1972.??.??"]
> [White "Manetti, Pete"]
> [Black "Evans, Larry Melvyn"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
> [ECO "A94"]
>



Taylor Kingston

2006-03-18, 7:32 pm


Randy Bauer wrote:
quote:

> Another example of Sloan's legendary inability to research and report. I
> guess I also missed one of his legendary retractions and apologies for the
> screw up.


Randy, as you know I am not often given to defending Sam Sloan, but
in this case the mistake is probably the database's, not his.
quote:

> No doubt, some chess database will now list this as an Evans
> game.


At least one already does. My copy of the ChessBase Mega Database
2005 gives the game as Manetti-Evans, not Manetti-Ervin.

Randy Bauer

2006-03-19, 5:31 am


"Taylor Kingston" <tkingston@chittenden.com> wrote in message
news:1142699492.839481.233390@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:

>
> Randy Bauer wrote:
>
> Randy, as you know I am not often given to defending Sam Sloan, but
> in this case the mistake is probably the database's, not his.


Taylor,

It is nice of you to defend Sloan, but the fault is still his. He doesn't
attribute his knowledge that at the 1972 Lone Pine tournament Manetti "drew
grandmasters Denker and Evans" to the Chessbase Mega Database. By not
attributing the information, he leads the reader to believe that he knows
this fact personally. It is just another example of Sloan writing as if
something is fact first and checking later -- if he bothers to check at all.

Randy Bauer


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