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let's have two United States Chess Championships
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| Ambassador 2006-03-10, 11:30 pm |
| Whoever is interested in having two U.S. chess Championships please let
me know? We could end up with an EAST and WEST national chess
federation. I fear that if Sam Sloan is going to get elected to the
policy board, 1/2 of the United States will form their own chess
federation and be recognized by FIDE. The only way to limit's infinite
number of sexual harassment lawsuits both the fake and real Sam Sloan
will expose the USCF is by forming two sepreate FIDE entities.
In stead of the United States complaining about power in FIDE, the US
should follow the lead of the United Kindgom, and divide within FIDE
for more voting power.
Another advantage of two national chess organiztions is that Sloan
would be banned from 1/2 of the entire United States from Chess events.
While I oppose the employment of banning in FIDE, I realize that since
I am banned by USCF Congressman Mike Nolan right now, there are
inevitable exceptions to the general rule.
Everyone complains about the U.S.C.F., why not have everyone complain
about two organizations? There isn't much moeny to even divide up any
more.
I don't see who would really lose, except certain people, like USCF
Congressman Mike Nolan, who just have a desire for power.
Organizational change has been very difficult for the Americans. OMOV
took yeasrs, and did nothing. The general trend is devolution in the
larger western countries, except for chess governance.
I doubt that the USCF executive committee has courage to debate this
issue. They will run and hide from it, until one day, I'll push the
button and force it to a vote in FIDE.
In the end of it, if Congressman Mike Nolan is going to do ban me from
the USCF web site, then we are all a little safer with TWO MIKE NOLANS
INSTEAD OF ONE.
Marcus Roberts
Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE
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| Ray Gordon 2006-03-10, 11:30 pm |
| How about if you have 2 dicks?
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| > Another advantage of two national chess organiztions is that Sloan
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> would be banned from 1/2 of the entire United States from Chess events.
> While I oppose the employment of banning in FIDE, I realize that since
> I am banned by USCF Congressman Mike Nolan right now, there are
> inevitable exceptions to the general rule.
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OK why have you been banned by him ?
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| David Ames 2006-03-11, 5:30 am |
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Ambassador wrote:
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> In stead of the United States complaining about power in FIDE, the US
> should follow the lead of the United Kindgom, and divide within FIDE
> for more voting power.
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> Marcus Roberts
> Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE
The United Kingdom is the union of two or three countries: England and
Scotland, and possibly Wales, though I am not sure about that. What I
am sure of is that the United States is ONE nation indivisible, a
mattter which has been settled since 1865. There is no basis in fact,
and probably no basis in law, to claim that the U.S. is more than one
country.
David Ames
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| Ray Gordon 2006-03-11, 7:31 pm |
| Now we know that Marcus Roberts is just a dick for Ilyumzhinov.
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| Ambassador 2006-03-11, 7:31 pm |
| Not true in FIDE. The US can be divided in FIDE. The FIDE rules can be
changed by majority vote of the FIDE Delegates. So, if a few of my
colleagues decide to make an exception, it can be done. The US civil
war doesn't bound FIDE. All we are bound by is the International
Olympic Committee (drug tests, etc...).
My point is that the US constantly screams sour grapes because they
don't have enough power in FIDE. This is a reasonable way to get more
power, more titles (IGM, IM, I think), and not upset FIDE too much.
Now, can this be done against the will of the United States? YES. FIDE
can do this by a membership application. The US can't block the vote,
with one supporter placing this on the 2007 agenda in Turkey.
This has been propoed and discussed by good players in the early 1970's
(Joe Bradford) and the last I heard was that FIDE wouldn't allow it.
Today, the US FIDE Delegtate refuses to talk to me. All of my
communications with the USCF are second hand. None of the executive
committee will even send me an e-mail to discuss the idea.
Marcus Roberts
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| David Ames 2006-03-11, 7:31 pm |
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Ambassador wrote:
quote:
> Not true in FIDE. The US can be divided in FIDE. The FIDE rules can be
> changed by majority vote of the FIDE Delegates. So, if a few of my
> colleagues decide to make an exception, it can be done. The US civil
> war doesn't bound FIDE. All we are bound by is the International
> Olympic Committee (drug tests, etc...).
A doubtful point of view. By the way, the word is "bind" -- "doesn't
bind FIDE."
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> My point is that the US constantly screams sour grapes because they
> don't have enough power in FIDE. This is a reasonable way to get more
> power, more titles (IGM, IM, I think), and not upset FIDE too much.
If the US fields two teams, then we are all the less likely to score
medals in the Olympiad. If you believe titles are conditioned on
power, rather than strength across the chess board, then you have an
erroneous view of what titles represent. Of course you would not be
alone in a fallacious belief.
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> Now, can this be done against the will of the United States? YES. FIDE
> can do this by a membership application. The US can't block the vote,
> with one supporter placing this on the 2007 agenda in Turkey.
And who, do you think, is going to implement the split if USCF doesn't
go for it? Piffle.
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> This has been propoed and discussed by good players in the early 1970's
> (Joe Bradford) and the last I heard was that FIDE wouldn't allow it.
> Today, the US FIDE Delegtate refuses to talk to me. All of my
> communications with the USCF are second hand. None of the executive
> committee will even send me an e-mail to discuss the idea.
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I am glad to hear that.
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> Marcus Roberts
David Ames
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| Ray Gordon 2006-03-11, 7:31 pm |
| Go suck your own pussy Marcus Roberts. You're nothing but an
Ilyumzhinov cock sucker.
Ray Gordon
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| Ambassador 2006-03-11, 11:32 pm |
| Pureto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are already full FIDE members.
Under your view, this would be impossibe, right? Look at www.fide.com,
for members states.
What I see is somebody like Sloan actually winning an excutive board
seat (sooner or later, might actually happen, think of it like a
cancer), and people then getting so frustrated with the USCF it takes
movement. These US people apply to FIDE for membership out of the West
Coast of the United States, opposite of Sloan on the East coast. Just
look at www.samsloan.com, and explain to me how we are going to take
him?
In essense, FIDE just recoginizes the act of a member nation. The
United States doubles its voting power.
In theory, theory the General Assembly is the highest body in FIDE. In
pratice, it isn't clear just, to me, the exact powers of the General
Assembly as opposed to the Presidential Board. This lack of clear legal
defnintion is something I plan to work on in FIDE.
Just my opinion, but I can't see US chessplayers tolerating Sloan. He
will generate too much self inflicted ligitation. In any crisis, this
is a good outcome in the sesnse that the US does something about it's
power problem in FIDE.
The Americans mock FIDE at their annual meetings. They call FIDE
leaders crooks. They accuse FIDE leaders of taking bribes. Why did I
get accused of taking a bribe? Well, it comes down to repeat stories
that nobody can prove or disrove.
Nobody has ever shown me evidence of a FIDE budget, much less a bribe.
Marcus Roberts
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| Ray Gordon 2006-03-12, 5:59 am |
| No, they accuse you of being an Ilyumzhinov cock sucker.
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| David Ames 2006-03-12, 6:00 am |
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Ambassador wrote:
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> Pureto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are already full FIDE members.
> Under your view, this would be impossibe, right? Look at www.fide.com,
> for members states.
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We have 50 states comprising the nation's territory. Puerto Rico and
U.S. Virgin Islands are not states. Neither are Guam and American
Samoa.
David Ames
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